4lads Monday Showcase - Cup Final review, VAR where are you?

[@jimster24]

Thanks Kenny and Stevie for another insightful video. It’s great to hear likeminded thoughts regarding Sunday’s game. 👍

[@SoniaMcDonald-eg5cx]

Well done lads brilliant and honest pod. Proud of our boys yesterday still think decisions were so unfair to us ❤️🤍💙

[@leslietelfer]

Thank you stevie for bringing up the Tom Lawrence foul and of course the handball with Johnston and collum on var then at half time they come away with sima heal is offside and it's not just us it's happened to other clubs when games are tight

[@Mountainman2468]

This shit happens with them time after time. In the league cup semi, two seasons ago, Celtic’s Giakoumakis used Kilmarnock’s Joe Wright as a step ladder in the box. Celtic were up 1-0 with seconds to go. Collum, who was ref, ignored it, as did Beaton who was on VAR. Up at Dingwall , in the “ next goal’s the winner game” they scored the winner 8 minutes into the 4 added on. I’m certain the refs aren’t biased, but they officiate shiting themselves when Celtic are involved. In last year’s cup final commentator Liam McLeod said , when the game was 0-0, that rangers hadn’t opened the scoring in the last 5 old firm games. They had , in 4 of them, but they were all chopped off . Patrick Stewart has to be like a dog with a bone with this. Enough is enough. Officials are taking part in certain games frozen with fear. They’re taking money under false pretences. Get the to fuck.

[@millwallranger5657]

I totally agree with you this is beyond a joke now. But it's not just bad refereeing they know what they're doing they definitely know what they are doing, but the question is is it because they are scared or is it more darker than that?

[@lewisreed3792]

Now collum gets to pick his celtic pals to work the var room

[@AndyMcLean72]

And the x4 Goldson handballs we got away with?

[@AndyMcLean72]

@@Mountainman2468 And last season in the cup final with us Aberdeen were denied a pen in the last mins? Were you complaining Then? I wasn't. So can't complain now.

[@guitarist100]

Stonewall Penalty not given in last seasons final for Aberdeen, short memories 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@CJ_NI]

Thought the Mitchell brothers were doing 4 lads for a moment there.

[@fourladshadadream]

😂 👩🏻‍🦲

[@kennystewart8354]

😂

[@brianm3510]

Great pod lads. Can see improvements in team at last let's stick with Clement 🇬🇧

[@rickymurray29]

Another great show guy’s 🔴⚪️🔵👍👍

[@neilfrench6639]

If we can keep going at this level of performance and can add a couple in January and we are still improving you have to give him next year lads We can't keep swapping and changing If there wasn't an improvement then totally agree with you 👍

[@PeggyMacphail-qf3ly]

Great show guys. 🧢💙

[@jok1007]

Why are the officials only awful at our incidents?

[@Cutchy99]

Our main signing in the January window should be a big strong left footed centre half who can win headers has pace can pass a ball

[@Alfie-gw1ox]

What about balagun he should have had a red and you,s bang on about decisions use were lucky to finish the game with 11 on the park if u go through all the decision ,

[@andydavie506]

An opportunity was taken away from us. WHY?

[@andrewboyce3383]

Cheating purely cheating there is a pattern of assistance towards the east end of the city.

[@sk1n1873]

When all these decisions go against 1 team and benefit the other it becomes pretty hard to say its incompetence it goes a bit further than that for me now its calculated.

[@fourladshadadream]

Think it’s quite clear what we were referencing but if you expect us to come on ranting & raving then it’s not our style. Integrity & incompetence were mentioned

[@sk1n1873]

@fourladshadadream I understand totally you may need to remain a bit more level headed with your responsibility to the platform and your position etc, I just don't want our response as a club to again be too weak and next game that comes around and a big decision is to be made we find ourselves on the wrong side of it again if that makes sense and that's my worry going forward.

[@fourladshadadream]

Makes perfect sense

[@bigphil6082]

I wouldn't say we have to beat Celtic, rather we have to keep improving.

[@bigphil6082]

We recently had Robertson talking his VAR assistant out of an obvious sending off review for Celtic and Sunday's VAR negligence for our obvious penalty. Last couple of years Old Firm VAR calls heavily going against us. Something seriously dodgy here.

[@Coopersleftfoot]

Guys, if you plate roulette you have nearly 50% odds of hitting black every time. Contentious decisions on football field should be similar. What are the odds of 7/8 in a row going against. Therefore you have to question is it incompetence or something darker and more sinister? You may not want to say it but I’m happy for the odds to be questioned

[@bigphil6082]

Collum's next var review show should be, erm, interesting.

[@LodgeStrathclyde]

In a cup final it’s all about lifting the cup by any means

[@lewisreed3792]

100% it's deliberate. It would be an amazing coincidence otherwise. What chance have we got of actually winning a meaningful oldfirm when eveerytime he match them for football ability, we get screwed by the officials

[@andydavie506]

Alex Ferguson Man United. The club will see the changes taking place and will give Clement at least another season after this.

[@jamesnane6928]

I don't think we can seriously accuse John Beaton or Alan Muir of negative bias against Rangers. In the context of the officials currently operating at the SFA those two generally are considered pro Rangers??????

[@bigblue1972]

i think we lost because of thursday nights effort, celtics sub quality,i do think fully rested fully fit players who were missing we would have had just enough in this game to sneek a win in the 90 mins

[@roypatterson2996]

The var ref is a known Celtic fan

[@YouWillAlwaysHearUsRoaring]

Our defence has been the biggest problem for years now. Old men who’ve ran their race. 2 CBs are a must going forward and Sterling will never be good enough to replace Tav . The money this summer must be spent on the backline

[@alexandermartin7343]

Shouldn’t have went to penalties if we had been given the obvious penalty.

[@AlanMcConnell007]

Just because the majority of impatient fans expect miracles, ie. competing with Celtic with a team built on a shoestring, I would've expected the pair of you to have more sense and to be realistic. What you may want ain't gonna happen overnight! One word, boys.... PATIENCE!

[@joe9042]

The officiators, got caught, pretty, this time.

[@iantaylor8907]

You can’t cut the wage bill and competes with the Tim’s

[@watp8879]

Incompetence it's blatant cheating , how many games now against celtic have we been robbed ?

[@AndyMcLean72]

And the x4 Goldson handballs we got away with? And the sheep being denied a stonewaller last season in the cup final with us? Be fair.

[@watp8879]

@AndyMcLean72 what are you talking about

[@AndrewWaddell]

If either of you genuinely believe the issue is competency I despair.

[@fourladshadadream]

Think it’s quite clear what we were referencing but if you expect us to come on ranting & raving then it’s not our style. Integrity & incompetence were mentioned

[@Alfie-gw1ox]

Rangers fans should be more angry with your player if use score your pens there wood be no need for this

[@watp8879]

Let's be straight here giys if clement loses jan 2nd he should be sacked

[@tomcourtney8986]

You’re questioning the integrity of officials and at the same time saying your player should have been more cute and cheated for a foul????

[@mac1821]

It's understandable that you guys don't want to go down the integrity route but what else can it be? It's not incompetence after so many incidents. VAR teams all over world football look at those types of incidents every week. It's their job. A sustained campaign by one club to put pressure on referees has paid off and I'm afraid that the integrity of the VAR officials on Sunday must be questioned.

[@fourladshadadream]

I think it’s clear how we felt but last thing we need is another podcast embarrassing everyone online by ranting & raving then getting clipped up. We put together a discussion highlighting previous issues & asking questions regarding it.

[@pauljordan4318]

the guy with the light coloured top on totally contradicts himself. Starts at the beginning of the show referencing conspiracy theories about some campaign about cranking up the pressure on refs then later on saying theres nothing dodgy going on he just believes they are bad at their job. 😂

[@kennystewart8354]

Are you stupid? I can actually agree that there's a campaign to put pressure on officials without actually believing there's a referee conspiracy or that they're cheating It can actually be both, hope this helps

[@pauljordan4318]

@kennystewart8354 No Kenny it doesn't clear it up at all. Im not stupid are you stupid? Do you always call people stupid that doesn't agree with your point of view? The referees are either very bad at their job or they are cheating. One or the other. I dont understand how there can be any grey areas. You cant reference conspiricy theories or dodgy dealings and then say they are just bad at their job without sounding a bit foolish. Every team in the leauge gets bad decisions go against them not just rangers

[@alexandermartin7343]

Be honest, it was deliberate bias cheating AGAIN. Your dialogue about mistakes and complacency is why they have got away with this disgraceful cheating and referee intimidating for years. Have the balls to be honest. It is cheating!

[@fourladshadadream]

It’s nothing to do with having the balls. Rangers fans were getting the piss ripped out of them since Sunday, quoted etc. We chose to highlight it without ranting & raving shouting about cheating potentially causing our support more issues. I don’t think we could of been clearer what went on.

[@PeggyMacphail-qf3ly]

Great show guys. 🧢💙

[@Coopersleftfoot]

Guys, if you plate roulette you have nearly 50% odds of hitting black every time. Contentious decisions on football field should be similar. What are the odds of 7/8 in a row going against. Therefore you have to question is it incompetence or something darker and more sinister? You may not want to say it but I’m happy for the odds to be questioned