4th Anniversary CN PGR Discussion: a threat of F2P? what will impact Global PGR? Plan accordingly

[@salty7182]

since i'm not a tryhard i will just play casually as usual and only pull character i want

[@chandragon23]

yep no worries its very possible to get everything just plan carefully you can get all as collections :)

[@ishouldtouchgrass4036]

Thanks for the video! Very helpful for me since I need to plan which characters are a must pull especially for my team, I also am planning to buy skins so very expensive from my normal usual spending habits lol. As much as I complain about the lag between global and CN server it has been a blessing in disguise when it comes to gacha planning for sure!

[@nateklempner561]

From what I looked up on the Gray Ravens site, Qu Shukra won't be a threat to f2p. Most new S Rank characters have some sort of "minimum summon investment" to deal the most damage for the investment level, and usually that's getting their SS3 rank or higher, little change-ups to their damage rotation that unlocks their potential through new mechanics. Qu Shukra gets hers at just S5 and SS passive. Her SS3 is just an extra damage multiplier, so it's not going to impact anyone's rotation with her, it doesn't do something like Balter's SS3 where she gets faster energy regen for her Signature while in Sword Form, it's just a damage multiplier, like with every passive between SSS and SSS+, you know, the ranks that only the biggest whales ever go for. Yeah her SSS passive is pretty good, but that's expected, all SSS passives are really good. The point is, that you can just grab 1 copy of Qu Shukra and then buy her PPC shards and be good with just leaving her at SS if you want a massive difference between ranks.

[@chandragon23]

Yeah that also as far as i know SS is sufficient, of course if you want to add little bit then SS3 but not necessary.

[@antixiety]

Thank you so much for making this video and i hope it reaches more people, im getting sick of mindless global players jumping into conclusions so fast without thinking for just a second, as you said because of noctis and alisa back to back being rest patches you can afford getting both watanabe and qu, and lets not forget about the 100% rate up selection on beginner banner that got added in lamia patch if you save it it gets updated with new characters, if you just take a moment to think about the release timeline lets look at year 3 release since Nanami : Nanami (paid) -> Haicma (Uni) -> Karen (paid) -> Noan(Uni) -> Balter (paid) -> Bambinata(A rank) -> HR(paid) -> Ayla (free S rank) -> CW(paid) Compared to the release of year 4 CW(paid) -> Han Ying(A rank) -> No.21(paid) -> Noctis (A rank) -> Alisa (free S rank) -> Lamia(paid) -> BRS(A rank) -> Uncle(paid) -> Qu(paid) If we rearrange the release order to No.21(paid) -> Noctis (A rank) -> Lamia(paid) -> BRS(A rank) -> Uncle(paid) -> Alisa (free S rank) -> Qu(paid) It’s the basically same thing like in year 3 with HR -> Ayla -> CW kuro just took a different route this time for some reason like a trap as you said, so if you just plan ahead and dont pull on unecesarry stuff you can get all characters also i respect and agree with your opinion especially about new players and returning players, though because of how niche pgr is where you need multiple teams its really hard to compensate on that especially if you miss some of the key S ranks, but there are pretty decent a ranks available to use and we get to use trial characters on some gamemodes so its not that bad as long as you dont mind being behind on some of the competitive content temporarily this my not important opinion on this point 😅, thank you again and sorry for the long af text lmao

[@chandragon23]

Much Appreciate!!! Nice One absolute agree and fair statement 👍. I even forgot the 1 time 100% selector banner in lamia patch lol. in that case its even easier then to catch up because it can work as an emergency if someone mess up in their decision

[@HornyVibe]

to be fair, i play this game through husbando and waifu pull, but yes i do think meta a bit, so i can atleast play hard difficulty content, planning to pull crimson weave on global, still saving my bc

[@PandaStyle07]

The only problem I have with the banners right now is that you have to skip 1 character every so often, but all the new characters feel really necessary, I'm thinking I'm gonna skip 21 but it's a shame, I would really like 21, but the alternative is skipping Wanatabe, or not pulling for Ayla's and Alisa's weapons, but idk

[@chandragon23]

You don't need to skip anything if you have good management you can get everything as long you do daily and event. Of course, this term if you are not competitive. For F2P competitive its hard for you to catch. none competitive gacha feel fair. atleast from all gacha that i played

[@marcodomingo3542]

You don't need to skip anything to buy every following debut S ranks, except for the past constructs. If you're talking about the consequent Lamia, Watanabe, and Qu banners, I think you can still get them without skipping on any banners. Just don't buy Alisa since she's free anyway.

[@shadowthehedgehog1824]

good job i like this video i could understand everything PGR still remains fair i see just if people are getting too greedy they will not guarentee every Omn right?

[@chandragon23]

yes mostly if you are going more than one copy if not getting all characters is possible

[@astadevilunion1]

Does vera need a new frame guys?

[@Kazuki842]

I'm a casuall player and i just pull for characters I like that's why I gonna skip 21 and Uncle

[@FLASHY_WOLF]

I think I have to forget about Bianca's skin

[@ZorenGamer2]

why? is it not coming to global?

[@FLASHY_WOLF]

@@ZorenGamer2 No I personally can't pull for her skin since I'm F2p, Bianca's skin is already available in global and can be pulled. But it will require 17500 BC which is crazy. I could pull her gacha skin if I wanted but I prefered pulling for her signature weapon since at the end of the day the skin won't make the character stronger.

[@magallanthepenguin9132]

2 s rank back to back. dang im light spender and i only can get character and just 1 signature weap. so in the future i might not get signature weapons anymore and get characters? yeahh we are far away but isn't there accelerated schedule patches last shorter, less weekly BC grind? after the chrome glory patch. also i didn't pull on selena amp...i got her from event and i was planning to free voucher her to sss and pain cage but... people don't mention there are other characters coming to the voucher shop and i kinda regret buying leap skill mats from voucher shop :l yeah no way im getting sss selena amp anytime soon. i think i will save my BC by skipping watanabe fire tank because i like nanami. gonna skip ice Qu as well because i like plume and i have her evertide coating and res all 3 slots of her signature weapon. i'll take a few warzone demotions until a new ice attack power creeps Qu

[@chandragon23]

Its back to back S because before they did Free back-to-back for Noctis & Alisa so its like they try to twist the schedule. planning is quite important . But so far as light spender is not really hard to get everything just need to skip maybe one weapon

[@davidfrost5995]

Sadly i joined during alisa patch so am i cooked

[@chandragon23]

still have time i think i started on lamia Patch on JP due to original account get lost still manage get watanabe and qu but i never pull anything just full saving mode not even weapon

[@GabrielHenrique-pq5bo]

From the character pull perspective, i dont really care, i only roll for what i like, mostly girls but not all so i dont really care if they're back to back gacha, noctis is free, alisa is free, ayla will be free and i wont roll watanabe or hyper lee, in fact im waiting for the collab so the BRS will be my fire attacker and bambi will be my ice attacker before qu since i dont have and dont like lucia pluelme, and after qu we'll be having wanshi and luna, one being a guy(wont roll) and the other being a unit i dont like, so its a win on my end

[@GHOST01-dg3gq]

ok there s no prob wtata and qu wies most payers have nanami so wata is a skipp so qu is the best option for like me i dont have plume so if i skip wata i may get new qu to SS somthing so its not that bade

[@JWRame]

I don't understand why they cant make the different elemental attacks react together. Playing mono elemental teams is one dimensional. There's way more potential that can be exercised here

[@chandragon23]

It can be nice idea about mixing it. If i'm not WuWa have that maybe if they decide to make PGR 2.0 they will introduce new system

[@haodongsun4159]

It's to not make players play one team because that is the strongest and make players leave the game because it became too monotone, and that would 100% happen, the game would take some heavy blows

[@rikimaru696969]

thanks for the heads up man, its easy, if the game makes it hard for us to get what we want play other games theres a ton out there.

[@chandragon23]

Thank you !!! yeah its that simple. but some don't want to leave and keep spreading weird stuff not only in this game but other games too sadly

[@izanagi111]

ngl pgr getting a bit boring rn idk what they could add to keep me interested to the game

[@chandragon23]

its normal i feel that from all the game nothing can always entertain me all time usually i just stop and back when i want to

[@Shiden7997]

I feel it bro

[@marcodomingo3542]

Every game feels like that when you finish all the content. All that is left is grinding.

[@Qopa]

it's p2w because this is anti-new player. day 1 player wouldn't have an issue with the amount of BC they had gotten throughout 2-3 years, but it takes more than a year just to have 15 characters built on your account, hoping that a new unit might not be powercreeping them as soon as you've finished building them. Some new players might have just started building phy alpha b4 stigmata bianca banner and only just recently upgrade her to SS and realized the new meta phy dps a bit too late, I would just quit the game if that were to happened to me, especially if there's such a difference in power with the same investment. they might as well change her rating 7* just to make it even more obvious.

[@chandragon23]

The anti-new player kinda has an extended case even if you have the money you can't catch up on some of the materials even not able to whale you can only do weekly so even you are P2W you can't solve this problem. Some crazy whale can't even catch up with Weapon harmonization in CN because they are too busy. so they just gigachad whale for characters and not touch competitive . Even me that low spender i can't build all characters not even full hyper tune for every team because its not enough .So its mostly the case of beginners and returning players that i discussed in the end of video.

[@Qopa]

@@chandragon23 basically half of the content are kinda locked behind needing to be a whale just to be able to enjoy them before the fomo kicks in. I feel like the devs are a little bit out of touch with their player base a bit.

[@chandragon23]

@@Qopa Half? PPC & WZ, (higher rank only) Norman only Ex-6 (can consider), Late stronghold. Max reward Babel which only achievement. It's not consider half for me its only 25% and mostly that mode is meant to be hard or competitive which kinda makes sense that it is whale or spender teritory. Maybe you are a competitive player or tryhard since i told in this video most that will consider this game is not F2P is from those group. Because story, event, norman 1-5, guild, Cursed Wave, fantasia, other majority and other non-competitive mode surely don't need Whale. That way too skill issues if you need to whale in those mode. If you are no happy because you feel of FOMO also that means you should not play gacha games. All Gacha games main trap is to trigger FOMO and put you to the edge to swipe card. If not they will not make money.

[@Qopa]

@@chandragon23 try playing reverse 1999, GI (trash 4* can 36/36 the hardest content), e7 where f2p can beat literally the whole game with older meta characters abusing kiris or taranor guard, etc. There are gacha games that are more p2w than PGR, for sure, like hi3 and fgo, but the fun is locked behind meta characters in PGR. I don't think f2p would enjoy the game knowing that a spender can beat a content in 1 min while f2p had to spend 4-5 min beating the exact same stage despite doing the perfect rotation between dps, amplifiers, and tanks or doing the exact same rotation as that 1 min clear time on a boss or something; lack of 6* weapon, cub, or SS rank (on 6* dps). It's at the point where lee, kamui, phy alpha, selena, etc, will be permanently replaced by new characters in the future and the scale of powercreep isn't as small as how other gacha games usually does it, it's like multiple dups of damage performance with the same level of investment. It's really not a healthy mentality imo when PGR is struggling to even have 1m active players globally when games like GI has 66m and blue archive has probably 10m-15m considering how popular nikke and BA are in Japan, and HSR has over 20m despite being in the market for 5 months... And yeah, they're out here trying to sell merch. like wtf?

[@yoru_a2b3]

​​​​@@Qopaum....u do remember to get all BC weekly,you don't need top 1%-5% on every single mode right? Even 11% good enough i think.. Edit: Well..It's not like i dont understand to have a cool character(such alpha CA) have 20%-30% point diff(wz).the most rational decision is to enjoy the game i guess(malding is an option). Peace(just sharing opinion)