4x4 TYRES ALL TERRAIN VS MUD TERRAIN

[@2URLex]

Using a decibel reader is what you should’ve used in the road noise test. Getting “used” to it can just be compared to plain hearing loss lol awesome video

[@AudioFreqx]

Exactly.. could be an issue of not popping your ears after a descent as well

[@dub537h]

Exactly. I have A/T on my Outback xt and they are faaaar quieter than the M/T on a buddy's ram. Not to mention the M/Ts handled awful on the road in comparison. There's a bunch of other factors, but that was my experience with them

[@williamd1891]

WHAT?? 🙉

[@PaulJames-m3t]

I have run several sets of BFG ATs and MTs. The MTs are death on snow and ice on the road, ATs gum up in mud. I went to a Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac, studded. It was a happy medium between the AT and MT tires plus the studs were better on icy roads. Tire chains for hard winter off-road. I'm in Colorado, driving an XJ Cherokee. My usage is mostly off-road, but I drive on the highway through the mountains to get there. One guy's opinion. Thanks for the good content.

[@gtn383ci7]

The BFG mud terrain was the only MT I've had that I hated. Not only are they bad in snow like you say, they aren't as good in mud as other mud tires. I usually look for mud tires that will receive studs, and they usually work in snow like a snow tire, and better in mud than my BFG's ever would. Having the "sipeing" or whatever they call that where there are slits cut in the tread blocks to make them softer and squishier, helps them grip ice, and also helps them self clean in the mud. It's a win win. I think the new BFG might be better, but the generation I had used hard, solid tread blocks and they didn't really do the job in the mud like the other tires I've owned.

[@hotride4u]

I have the duratracs , They are a great all around tire . They clog up in mud ( and deep snow) but thats to be expected. . On my second set now, even with a 7500lb cummins they lasted a long time!

[@JustPete65]

All Terrains has got me all over Australia without a drama

[@trickymon]

@@JustPete65 yeah but your not promoting a tyre brand on you tube . How else is maxxis going to sell tyres

[@JustPete65]

@@trickymon think I have Yokohama... Tyre plus. I don't listen to anything pushed on KZbin

[@jamesaustralian9829]

I too, have had no issues using a good set of all terrains on my old 4x4.

[@1samwhich]

Agreed mate! Falken Wildpeak AT's are my choice ;)

[@elliotkane4443]

I don't really get this type of comment, you can go 5 minutes down the road and get stuck even in muddies it really depends where you're going. 'All over Australia' I mean mate, more info needed.

[@phill1491]

In my part of the US (Utah) we don't really get a ton of mud, but we do have a lot of snow. Since my jeep is also my daily driver I go with the an aggressive 3peak rated all terrain. The Mickey Thompson Baja Boss AT has done everything I've thrown at it without complaint. It's pretty agressive, the side and shoulder lugs have some decent spacing, snow rated, fairly quiet etc. If we didn't spend half the year in snow I'd consider an MT. And as always, tire pressure, throttle control, line choice etc are going to play a bigger factor for a lot of situations that AT vs MT.

[@jeronimocanton9557]

Same here in Patagonia! We do have mud but we do have snow and ice in winter. So a 3 pick All Terrain is the way to go for mi and my Hilux. In my case I’m using Duratrac for the first time since I always used BF Goodrich and so far so good!!

[@thomasthompson2084]

I live in Kentucky and we have it all mud rocks and snow and I drive a heavy 1999 2500 suburban 4x4 so if I start up a hill and I don't have something that will grab even in dry weather I will start to spin even when my lockers kick in so it's mud terrain tires for me

[@toddk1377]

I run Westlake MT on my truck, handles everything pretty good. Grips the wet roads a little too good, to the point my truck can barely spin tires if I floor it at a dead stop. Handles real well in the snow too, up here in MI where we actually get lots of snow, it chews it way through quite well on the seasonal roads where I go. Better than the BG Goodrich tires I had before and I keep my tire pressures around 30 psi.

[@raymondclark1785]

My Blazer came with Good-Years that pulled when I breaked 😢 The replacement MT's solved that and being in NJ saw a lot of sand

[@MichaelKuczynski-u7o]

Sage advice.

[@LapsofMaps]

Never have we had tyre issues for 5 years with running a good set of mud terrain tyres, driven the toughest conditions and in the outback. Deflating the tyre pressures and reducing speed on the dirt helps. Mud terrain is the best option, and our only option, for all the points you said. Good video Ronny, thanks for sharing.

[@G.I.JeffsWorkbench]

Great advice, as usual. Thanks for busting the myths & covering the pros & cons so we can make an informed choice.

[@sli-fox]

I had been running all terrains for decades and decided on mud terrains this last time to just try them out. At first I didn’t like the noise, but these have been the longest wearing tires I’ve ever had and do quite well in the rain and snow on my 2005 Grand Cherokee. Nitto Trail Grapplers.

[@toddk1377]

I had those too, great tires, not as pricey as some of the other options out there either.

[@byronharano2391]

Thank you. I recently became an owner of a 2001 4X4 dually. I won't be needing new tires for years. However, i am already pricing tires for the eventual 6 tire change. 😮. Your video is very helpful. A/T best fits my driving habits currently.

[@Doc1855]

We use our 23 Tacoma TRD Off Road as a daily driver, work around our property and for taking it on service and forest roads during our summer months. We live 5 miles from town (30 miles from the city) up in the mountains in north central Washington state. We get 5-7 feet of snow every winter. I recently bought Falken Wildpeak AT4W in 265/75/16. I also bought new Bronze Modem Wheels. My Tacoma came with 16” wheels and I could have easily bought 17” wheels but I wanted a taller side wall on my tires for those times when I need to air down. Going from a 31” tire to a 32” tire, I’ve noticed that my truck wants to stay in 5th gear longer before up shifting into 6th gear. I’ve also noticed that my fuel mileage has dropped. But they’re better off road and in our snowy roads. Overall I’m happy with the extra 1” in ground clearance.

[@twomstone_17]

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[@johntuttle9544]

Falken are great but there is no "free lunch" on fuel economy. If you want toughness and clearance say goodbye to fuel economy.

[@Doc1855]

@ You are correct. Most people don’t buy pickups for fuel efficiency.

[@grenobel]

I agree with you on most points, but you left out where mud terrains really suffer: 1. Wet roads Mud terrains stronger and larger block patterns create a very slippery surface on wet roads 2. Snow-covered roads As with wet roads, the design of the mud terrain is not suitable on snowy or icy roads. They have little to no functional siping, and a harder rubber compound that gets even harder in cold weather 3. Road comfort Given the harder compound and heavier sidewalls, noise isn't the only adjustment you'll need to make when running an MT on the street. They ride much harsher than an AT 4. Fuel economy You can expect to lose 2 - 4 mpg by switching to an aggressive MT. In a vehicle that only gets 20mpg, that equates to a 10% - 20% reduction in fuel economy. That is a result of the additional weight and increased rolling resistance due to the aggressive lugs colliding with the road, which can often be felt in the steering wheel at low speeds. If you have a dedicated trail rig, then mud tires are the clear choice. However, if you are an occasional off-road adventurer, or if you take extended overland trips that will include at least 50% of the travel on improved roadways, or you live in a climate that sees snow and ice in the winter, then an AT would be a much better choice.

[@robertwartovo6820]

great explainers bro thanks 👍🏽

[@cbrobinson10]

In general this is true but the higher end MT tires do not suffer from these issues. Stop using cheap MT tires and you wont have these issues

[@grenobel]

@ "cheap tires" like Cooper STT Pros, BFGoodrich MT3 and Patagonias? Yeah, okey dokey

[@cbrobinson10]

@grenobel Yeah those are all on the cheaper side lol. The fact you don't know that says allot

[@grenobel]

@ I'm sure you have some wisdom you could share here then...

[@tennesseethompson5287]

Great review Ronny, 💯 % agree, your line about H/T are the tyres that get you to the tyre shop cracked me up!😂😂😂

[@denisleblanc4506]

Very good review but you forgot one important difference. Mud terrains are terrible on wet pavement. They also have less grip on pavement so worse cornering and braking. If you only consider time, most off-roaders would do well to do 20% off-road. But if you consider milage it's probably less than 10% off road. I'd rather have the safer tire on road where you're much more likely to have an accident or close call.

[@maverick2242]

Fair point but when it comes to road driving, also consider the "number one rule" drive to the conditions, most people don't regardless of tires, this also should account for your vehicle type, its load and your abilities, many on the road have a lack of, add condition of tire and tire pressures! Again misleading!

[@Peter79123]

@@denisleblanc4506 very nice discussion that's the way I like it 👍💯🤠

[@deepshallows]

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[@doublehelix109]

to be fair that also has a lot to do with brand / quality. i have maxxis razr's and outperform any lesser brand any type tyre in any condition easily. the only 2 brands id reccomend is BFG or Maxxis for quality, and i lean a bit more towards BGF in my own opinion

[@pantoqwerty]

@@doublehelix109 I have BFG tyres on my 4WD (trail terrains) and they are absolute shithouse in the wet. I’ve had the back end twitch (mine and the car) on two occasions on a roundabout in the wet. When they next need replacing I’ll be going back to the Michelin LTX Force tyres which were unbelievable in the wet. They were also better on sand. I’m sure there’s brands that will beat the BFG in the wet but I’m not sure I’m up for another 60000km experiment.

[@TheMasters957]

this guy knows the subject, i was waiting for him to say 3:22 the normal road tires are too smouth so it's hard for them to grip into those lags !! nice video and good and clear explaination.

[@craigquann]

Part of the problem with your examples of "highway terrain" tires is the sidewalls are weaker mainly because they are "P-metric" tires designed for passenger vehicles. They're softer for comfort and lightweight for economy. Whereas most "real" all-terrain and mud terrains are "LT-metric" or Light Truck. They're built with stiffer sidewalls and are heavier because they're ment for use on work trucks. So gym shoe vs Work boots/hiking boots. Proper footwear for the tasks.

[@bc4198]

True, and LT is the most important thing for casual / soft-roading - but an HT tread on an LT carcass will still suck, so it's kind of just an academic argument. The scenario that could be an interesting comparison is on something like a Subaru, whether to use small LT tires versus car-rated gravel rally tires. With P-metric, I mostly got stuck from tires popping. With LT ATs, I would get stuck from lack of traction, but never popping. And with MTs, I really didn't even get stuck. A couple close calls, but even high-centered on the front diff, they were able to claw their way up and out of ruts.

[@adrianbjones]

Also most AT tires have a lot of sizes that are P-metric - it can often actually be hard to find an AT tire that is E load.

[@craigquann]

@@adrianbjones it is not hard to find AT tires in LT ratings at all.

[@dub537h]

​@@craigquannexactly. Got LT tires on my Outback xt, they've been great for years

[@sb2h]

Exactly, this Ronny Dahl guy clearly doesnt know a damn thing about tires and just threw together a video script from the 5 minutes of research he did on google

[@stevest1300]

You nailed it in this video. I think the most critical issue in all tires is the weak sidewalls. I rank traction second to reliability/durability as flats are a pizzov, dirty labour and expensive, not to mention getting two in one day will turn that day's drive into a walk or a radio call rescue. I started driving in a Dodge Power Wagon in 1972 in British Columbia, Canada. Radials barely existed and mainly in Europe. We ran retread Goodyear bias 12 ply lug tires similar to military tires. The sidewalls were vertical without the vulnerable sidewall bulge. I cannot remember ever having a flat. Since then, I've spent 40 years on 3 continents driving nearly every brand of 4x4 in mineral exploration. I have had the occasional flat through the cord. But I've had a bunch of torn sidewalls. The brand doesn't matter. HT tires don't belong anywhere beyond your driveway. AT/MT and traction??? I dunno. I reach for the winch control pretty much as soon as I lose forward motion. Dramatic traction hunting and spinning tires is not in my DNA. 200 meters of straps in the box, a winch with a snatch block and an excuse to get out for a pee is my Get Out Of Goo Free card. I've run BFG, Toyo, Bridgestone, Cooper, Firestone and a few cheap Chinese brands. I actually now prefer cheap Chinese (Atturo, Haida) as slicing a sidewall is not so painful on the wallet. BFG are sooo expensive and sooo over rated. Their sidewalls are as vulnerable to pointy sticks, especially in burns, as any. And noise has never been on my radar. It's a truck. Get a bigger sound system. Or get old and turn off your hearing aids 😆

[@kirkulessonofgoose7503]

They have hybrids that are a blend of both, they are called R/T for rugged terrain.

[@KP-w4gu]

Honestly those just seem like bald mud tires lol

[@kirkulessonofgoose7503]

@@KP-w4gu I have a set on my vehicle, they aren’t too bad 🤙

[@JTube571]

Milestar Patagonia XT is a hybrid too.

[@Godammit666666]

I've got Radar Renegade RTs on my RA ranger, I rate them, not as noisy as MTs but more aggressive than ATs. Great value for the coin ayy

[@kirkulessonofgoose7503]

@@Godammit666666 that’s what I have on my Pajero 🤙

[@DG-ou8hx]

Tip of the hat to you man! Great review. Ive been offroading for more than 30 years and have tried every tire possible. You are spot on in every detail of this video, even down to the difficulties of various tire types on traction boards. Id like to add a couple comments that i have seen. I run virtually identical trucks with mud tires on the diesel and aggressive all terrain ( kevlar reinforced) on the gasser. I have another diesel truck with mud, a toyota with all terrain, and a tractor with industrial tires. Ive used paddle tires in deep sand too. The highway terrain term you coined is perfect. They are bad in most offroad environments except pure sand (like beach without debris) they are very good there when aired down appropriately (i am referring to your definition of highway "off road" tires and not pure street tires). Mud tires have a weakness when it comes to snow on pavement. You need siping and they just dont have enough to take steep grades in really slushy or icy conditions as good as an all terrain or snow tire. They work fair enough in deep powder on flatter surfaces or off pavement snow. Great video! Best one i've seen. You should do an addendum that talks about airing down effects on contact patch...if you havent already.

[@markthomas8766]

Good review Ron. Side wall size, strength and protection at different tyre pressure is probably the most under considered aspect of 4x4 tyres and their use. "DOT" codes also need attention. The DOT code describes the tyre rubber, composition, sidewall AND date of manufacture. Tyre rubber hardens up as it ages. This means it loses grip, strength and wares faster the older it is. That means you get fewer kilometres out of them. I'm pretty sure many have been caught out buying what should be "good" tyres, but because they sat for 3 years on the shelf in stock you only get 2 thirds of the life out of them and they handle like crap with little grip. My guess is that OLD tyres at the time of sale is probably a main reason people change tyre brands and type, blaming the tyre, when the real problem is they were just sold OLD tyres. I'm going to stick with strong side walled, aggressively lugged All Terrains because it suits my use. The All Terrain - Mud Terrain argument is a spectrum with a lot of in between areas. Cheers.

[@thejackofalltravels8267]

Another KZbinr Dan from the Road Chose Me circumnavigated Africa with Geolanders and never had a puncture or failure. He just left Australia after driving all over. He is Australian living in Canada. Great video Ronnie.

[@gw5436]

We're the owners of two large-acre cattle properties in Western Queensland, and I'd like to add my bit to this contentious subject. We will never agree that mud terrains are an all-around tyre for heavy working 4WD's on a combination of sharp stone, sticks, sand, gravel and mud. We're dragging all sorts of trailers, tools, welding equipment and farm gear, mostly never on tar. Those open treads leave so much of the tyre exposed to punctures, and wear super fast in our country due to them having maybe half tge tread rubber being ripped and worn at any one time. Just ditching the muddies has probably dropped our punctures by 75+ percent, and believe me, we have a fully equipped tyre repair setup here, and have gotten too good at it. And there's no chance I'll let my wife off down a winding raining potholed bitumin road on mud terrains. You guys can have your fashion statements and believe whatever you want. It's performance and reliability that work around here.

[@nbookie]

I've worked with 2 company fleets for offroad oil/gas work trucks across the US. 6000 trucks in 1 company, 1000 in another. We found the same in most our field work where you also drive to those field locations. We run quality AT tires with good side wall cleats. Toss the chains and traction boards in the back for really sticky days.

[@robertjohnston3658]

Well said, the only all purpose tyre for mixed 4WD use is a good tough ALL TERRAIN tyre. Full stop. Muddies have their place, but are poor on sand, vulnerable in mulga or spinifex country and hopeless on wet bitumen and lethal on wet concrete boat ramps or concrete high speed roads. Highway terrain tyres should obviously never leave the black top. All terrains for me, everyday

[@sqidsey]

So an experienced off roader makes a video of the best tyres going and you keyboard warrior's think you know better

[@odb_roc_hound4186]

@@sqidseyno, two guys who do it all day everyday for work, commented their experience on a channel of a guy who did off-roading as a hobby before starting a KZbin channel, and off-roads several weeks a year.

[@joshlower1]

​@@sqidseyhe's not the only one with off-road experience bub

[@typhoon-7]

Great video Ronnie and hello from the Scottish Highlands. I have both MT (KM2s) and AT (KO2s) for my old Hilux and one thing that may not be an issue in Perth WA but very much is in Perthshire, Scotland is snow and ice. I have had disappointing and terrifying moments with MT in snow. They are worse than a winter highway tyre on a snowy road. The ATs are phenomenal in wet or powdery snow on or off road. So if you live in a colder climate, consider what my 2 decades experience here has taught me: MTs for summer and autumn and ATs for winter and spring (still snows here in April).

[@nicholassmith7048]

Correct, MTs are pretty useless in the cold and snow and ice. This is due to their compound, large voids and little to no siping. You want smaller voids and a lot of siping in the snow an ice, not to mention a rubber compound designed to stay flexible in cold temperatures.

[@henrikm4657]

My KO2s are the worst tires I've ever had in ice/snow and rain. Having my local tire shop sipe the tires made an enormous difference.

[@rasta77-x7o]

@@henrikm4657 KO2 are renowned for being a death trap in wet, even here in the tropics they cause plenty of 4wders to end up on their lid at a roundabout. No snow for thousands of miles.

[@RKmndo]

Use SIPED mudders. Try something like a Trxus MT.

[@ms-jl6dl]

How about winter tires in the winter?

[@seanchristie7150]

Fantastic that you have revisited this armed with real world experience and knowledge. Well done Ronny

[@michaelvanegdom5081]

Nice video production quality mate - looks great 👍🏻 Pity you forgot about performance on the road in the wet, particularly if you’re towing. Considering most of us live in urban areas we need to get to the off road tracks first 🤔

[@DG-ou8hx]

Not the context of his video.

[@cenccenc946]

Had my Cooper SST pro MTs, an E rated LT, for about 5 years on my FJ cruiser, and got about 50,000 km out of them, about 50 / 50 paivment to gravel overlanding in the Patagonia. I am finally getting ready to replace them this year. Lots of washboard roads where I drive. They do mud to ice and snow well, never had problems with wet roads either. I often go through things in 2 wheel drive, that my previous "all terrains" could not do in 4x4 drive. I do use balance beeds because they are near impossible to balance with wieghts, and keep them balanced.

[@onasledoverland]

I bought and used a set of those Maxxis MTs for a year, mostly from watching your reviews. Here in the states,.... I have to say I abandoned them. Super quiet on the pavement, but off road the tread sliced up very easily. After two years of the milestar Patagonia MTs, I felt much more confident. But this year I'm going with the Patagonia XT, which is their hybrid. Man, I love you Land Cruser. Wish we could get them here.

[@tdel8613]

Maxxis is going to last longer, have better grip and your sidewall wont blow out like the pats. They are soft to help traction. Slices are fine as long as they arent chunking to the point it become detrimental.

[@ourwayoffgrid7518]

I got 18k out of my maxxis. 25k out of bf k02. 65k out of Toyo open country MT’s. Won’t get another tyre now.

[@onasledoverland]

​@tdel8613 I hear ya, but this is very old news. Milestar has continued developing their tire compounds. From first had experience I can only tell you my opinion. The Patagonia is an all around better tire than the maxxis . Sidewall failures were completely overblown.

[@JTube571]

I love my XT's!

[@WhiteCavendish]

Another great video, Ronnie! Good discussion of the pros and cons of each. For me, where I live, and what I use my rig for, there's really zero question of the best choice for me, and that's a good quality set of aggressive A/T's. I have to use my truck for all sorts of jobs that mostly involve road driving, and even when I do go off roading, it's almost always a long haul on pavement to get there, sometimes in some crazy weather conditions including severe hail and rainstorms, or on icy, snowy roads. The small advantage M/T's would give me is not worth the loss of economy and on-road performance, especially in the wet, as others have mentioned. Cheers from Canada, mate!

[@crabbcake]

I heard that when Ronny puts on a new set of ATs, he cuts a few off the thick tread blocks off, keeps them under his bed for when he has night terrors to chew on helping him cope.

[@dirf554]

I run STT PROS after 6,000 miles I rotated them and they had wicked vibrations! Had to rebalance them all. One in particular has a ton of weights on it. Rims have gashes in them as well from off roading. But I love my Mud Tires lol they are louder after rotating as well. But hopefully they will last a while longer. Love your videos !!

[@stephenbesch5331]

If you're in a location that gets frequent snow, that might tip the scales towards good ATs. The edges of the tread blocks give grip on snow, so the large solid tread blocks on mud tires give dismal grip in the white stuff. The additional edges of the more intricate AT tread patterns, combined with siping that isn't usually present in a mud tire tread, give the AT a much better grip on snow. I'm in Colorado and I see jeeps with big mud tires off the road all over the place when the snow rolls in, while my Duratracs are pulling along nicely.

[@jgalt99]

If you want to run the same tire year-round, there are some very decent AT options for snow. But you're probably doing serious off-roading in the winter. For me I'd rather switch to a true winter tire with some cheap steelies for the winter months. Nothing beats a good winter tire in the snow, they're downright magical and the extra 10m stopping distance might just save your life.

[@hdavies0]

@@jgalt99 or get studs (if legal), they will help an all season M&S tyre (like the Duratrac) even though as a tyre its not as good as a true winter. Personally, I go for a separate set of winters.

[@nirfz]

@@hdavies0 But then again: Studs reduce your grip on dry and wet roads and don't change snow grip. So if the road isn't fully icy they are quite a disadvantage. And they don't keep the tyre softer at low temperatures either. I agree that seperate winter tires for regions that experience winters are the best choice.

[@douglaseuritt3919]

We live at the end of an unimproved road at elevation and higher latitude. We've tried M/Ts over the years but always come back to A/Ts for our conditions. If snow of any significant depth is involved, I've yet to find a M/T that can perform was well as a good A/T.

[@Noename-qx5rn]

@@stephenbesch5331 snow and/or rain

[@pezpengy9308]

farmer in hawaii here, i use ko2's and they work a treat. 99.9999% of my truckie's life is on asphalt, usually towing something. some brief times are in a mix of mud and -worst of all - wet grass. mud terrain tires fall apart under working loads too easily. my field has a lot of buried metal bits and punctures were always an issue until i switched.

[@pezpengy9308]

@@MrJedi5150 that is a lovely idea and i shall do so! aloha from hawaii! :)

[@thedownwardmachine]

Thank you for helping me decide to get mud terrain tires for my motorcycle! With ear plugs, road noise isn’t an issue

[@everydaybettereverydaystronger]

Only here to watch those badass 70-series! You Aussie guys are so lucky. Here in the USA, we get the rubbish version Toyota trucks, with the exception of the 4Runner and FJ but even those don't have turbo diesels. Nice channel mate

[@jacobcole6340]

Thanks for the info this will definitely help me when I get a new set off tires ! Good on ya mate.

[@vaibhavshivalkar7228]

I have heard from many off-roaders that Yokohama Geolandar A/T G015 is one of the best All-terrain tyre out there.

[@Obeytheroadrules]

Ive got Geolander M/T, they are the most underrated tyres on the market, my son has Razors M/T , they are equally as good.

[@NukeCult666]

Goodyear dura tracs best overall tire I've ever thru on axles mud,snow, rocks,sand they take it and take it well and run more asphalt miles than mt/s. Good vid 👍

[@unimog404]

I choose AT tires for my Jimny. because you can get them with the symbols for winter. So it is an all season tires and Im allowed to drive with them in winter conditions.

[@cowelk]

Very very good information on types of tires and their pros and cons. Thanks.

[@UncleFjester]

*Ronny, the editing on your channel has noticeably improved* 👍

[@Noename-qx5rn]

Agreed

[@photoapeal]

I have 37" Nitto Trail Grapplers M/T on my 2021 Jeep Gladiator, and they are great for everything but ICE and SNOW. All the little cars were getting stopped just fine while I was sliding. I'm looking into an AT Tire instead, the Mickey Thompson Baja Boss AT tires since these tires are 3-peak rated for ice and snow where the chemistry of the rubber becomes more supple and grippy in cold weather, where as my M/T tires become hard and slick. These also have the aggressive look of an M/T tire. While a dedicated snow tire is always best, I don't want to store two sets of tires, and they can't be used year-round. I enjoyed the video.

[@billo8850]

Ronny I think, is one of me the most informative 4x4 KZbinrs

[@chrispewkreme]

Just my $0.02. I have a stock F-150 with the FX4 package. Height might be different than a regular F-150. It has basic skid plates. It’s got 4x4. Different shocks. A locking rear diff. It also has highway tires. I have gone on many trails on O’ahu just fine. Sand. Dirt. Grass. Rocks. Gravel. Mud. Mud has been the killer. They get gummed up and slide all over and it gets dangerous. This video is great! I don’t NEED off-road tires. But since the highway tread ones are ready to be replaced, it makes sense to get something nice.

[@Revheadrev]

I had muddies on my 80 but I have ATs on my 200. I don’t do as much crazy stuff in the 200 for the obvious reason - it isn’t a lifted and locked 80!! But I also had a small run around as a daily so didn’t drive the 80 all the time. If you can afford to run two vehicles then go for muddies - if your 4WD is your daily then ATs are the go.

[@randyjones7001]

I would love to hear more about the physical properties of the rubber compounds used in manufacturing the different types of tires also. Thanks for the great video!

[@dommonte3507]

what about the extra fuel consumption using a mud tyre, not mentioned

[@javanloadholtz8351]

negligible

[@loafofbeans9126]

Size will have a greater impact than tread pattern and most people who are dedicated to offroading are willing to make the sacrifice

[@JollyGiant19]

@@loafofbeans9126yep, size will make the difference far before tread pattern on a new set

[@Luke1985]

No one cares about fuel m8 😅

[@mikekoehler7098]

Not really the tread but the weight of the tire.

[@robertwartovo6820]

Appreciate bro for his time making this video. It was worth it mate 🎉cheers 🥂

[@Offroad_namibia]

❤ Ronny, please come to Africa, specifically Namibia, you won't regret it......we need you to come make a review here.. Love from Namibia 🇳🇦

[@English_Speaking_Fox]

When we lived in southern Africa we did three tours throughout Namibia and quite honestly it’s God‘s own country. Breathtakingly beautiful with incredible four-wheel driving.

[@Offroad_namibia]

@@English_Speaking_Fox Thank you so much, I hope we didn't disappoint

[@Βόρειο_Σέλας]

Great discussion. As you can see a lot of people have their own views on their experiences, so I think whatever works for your it is fine. On my Defender I have been running Goodyear Wranglers MT/R and yes are noisy but had performed really well over the years. My son bought a new Suzuki Jimny XL 5 door and put on BFG Mud terrains and I was surprised how quite they are and fantastic grip. Cheers

[@justanotherguy535]

Had MT Nitto Trail Grapplers on mine for 50k and still got a heap of life left on them. Noise is not an issue as the roof rack is way noisier in a modern 4WD. No problems in the wet on roads just drive to the conditions. I’ve even had a 40mm tech screw from a construction site go through the tread block and once I got it out it didn’t puncture the tyre. I’d rather have MTs and have them rather than be stuck in a situation where I wish I did. Just my opinions though.

[@ThinkkTwiice]

I grew up with my dad running boggers and swampers on his daily/mud truck. 18 years of it. Trust me, they're loud. When you get up to speed they sound like this wowa-wowa-wowa-wowa-wowa

[@bobaitken9006]

Thanks for the ad for Razor tyres

[@thegrimreaper6926]

So glad we bought A/Ts Omikron Accelera for our Hilux. I know it's not as popular as any brand but it was the only available A/Ts we can find in such a rural area and they really look good and I go off road 30% of the time and it's not even that hard core where an M/T is needed. I needed to replace my standard H/T tires at 73k Kilometers I was expecting it to be noisy on road but it's actually not and these tires are perfect if you want your tires to perform on and a bit of off road. Basically, they're in between highway and mud terrain principle.

[@overland_adventure_nz]

Hi Ronny, have you noticed a lot of the new/updated All Terrain tyres main tread pattern is becoming more highway oriented and a number of once great Mud Terrain tyres seem to have morphed into a strong looking side wall but with more of a classic All Terrain tread pattern. I’ve been told this is because of modern rubber technologies and tire construction ! But I believe it’s more to do with people fitting Mud Terrain tyres for the looks and complaining about their performance on the open roads! What do you feel about this?

[@doublehelix109]

100%. insurance companies probably have a part to play in that as well with shiny mall crawlers having prangs left right and center

[@shonkytonky]

Switched to Maxxis ATs from Bridgestone ATs for that exact reason.

[@toddhoffmaster6057]

I totally agree with you on tire choice. The all terrains love to hold onto rocks/gravel and then eject at a later time. Watching your review I also looked up the Maxis tires and saw that they make a tall skinny 15" tire so I think that I will give them a try on my next purchase. 15" tires are getting harder to find now that everyone has larger diameter brake rotors. I think that the 15" went away after 2006 here in the US.

[@tomdixon7955]

AT’s are usually (brand dependent) far better than MT’s on wet tarmac and also in snow. But given that you live in WA neither are likely to be a common occurrence. Especially snow.. For daily driving I prefer AT’s but I have a second set of wheels with MT’s on.. Here in Scotland I use AT’s most of the time. The difference between the BFG AT’s and MT’s in snow is huge. Totally agree that Road Tread’s are crap.

[@bozmeg69]

One tire that a lot of people use in Canada`s North is the Toyo M55. It is a very rugged AT tire whos appearance may look like a MT tire. The durability is amazing and the price tag represents that. It is a tire that creates piece of mind.

[@michaeldilettoso3710]

Also for Alpine areas the All Terrain KO2 are snow/peak rated whereas the Mud Terrains are not. Worth considering if you you are running up and down the ski fields.

[@enriquemorenodevega6610]

I would prefer the new BFG KO3 or, much better, the new Falken A/T4W

[@lesgreen4824]

Fuel economy changes between brands and types of tyres as well. We also put little nylon beads in the MT and AT tyres so they self balance once up to speed. It reduced the vibration. some manufacturer now have foam inside the tyres to reduce the noise as well. Like you say you have to decide on what you are using the tyre for the most of the time first and work from there. Or get a spare set of wheels. most of europe have winter/summer sets! Thank you for the information.

[@adamlichman1181]

To be fair not all allterane tires are equal either. The mickey thompson baja boss at has an asymmetrical pattern and the lugs are quite a bit more spread out than most. These tires are also the quietest I've had and great in mud and on rock. If you haven't used them I would check them out, you may like them

[@Corey-pd3mi]

On appearance they look like a MT but the MT is even more aggressive. Great tyre

[@greenernick]

I had MT Baja STZs to 110k Km on my Cruiser. They only died when an old lady drove into me and wrote the car off, though they probably only had another 20k in them.

[@Peter79123]

Great Video, exactly is Ronny talking the right things in the right time 💯👍 agree with him. The only thing the AT could be more useful ever is perhaps in colder conditions like snow ore ice roads. Would be a great comparison video also but not so easy in Australia. Greetings from north sweden, I think I am gonna try next the muddies in winter we all use snow tires with spikes.

[@Peter79123]

Have had often struggle and to fight with AT's on wet gravel roads in springtime or also on wet gras. Zero grip.

[@bushnut8305]

In my country when the world is covered by snow from November till April 3peak snow flake rated tires are a must unless you switch to true winter tires.

[@raesmart3305]

I run them all year around as I’m close to the mountains.

[@masamasi9521]

which tires are you using in the snow? I’m using BFG KO2. Should I get the KO3 or do you recommend another brand?

[@Nordic_Mechanic]

true winter tires run laps around mud terrain and all terrain in winter. But I don`t want to have 6 tires stored in the shed all year round

[@val.d1986]

MT tires would laugh at snows, because they act as paddles, but okay genius....

[@bradcomis1066]

@@val.d1986 For 4 wheeling in deep snow yes. For grip on ice and packed snow MTs are awful. MT tires have really hard rubber designed for warm weather.

[@garychandler4296]

I love the sound of a noisy offroad tire! The sound of capability.

[@maitrikashin3906]

I've been using Coopers for 20 years on the same rig. The dealership fitted me up for free on request when I said, "I don't want HT's on my rig". I'm on the 5th set of Coopers now. I had Muddies for one set = excellent grip, more road noise, not as much longevity. I'm using AT3 LTs now and they are good. I have the same wheels n tyres on the 4WD and on the off-road pod trailer... that’s 8 of them all up. There are lots of spare options in an emergency. I tend to avoid mud baths and rock-hopping, so it works for me.

[@parabelllum8733]

Ive run Coopers in the past . great tyres .

[@MotherBiscuitLover]

I've had 3 vehicles that came with coopers on them. Been disappointed 3 times.

[@parabelllum8733]

@@MotherBiscuitLover I got over 90,000 km out of 2 sets and know others who got over 100 k out of theirs .

[@Bacnow]

I run Cooper AT3 XLTs and absolutely love them! I only do mild - medium trails and I’m not into rock climbing or mudding!

[@edwardc265]

Thank you. I learned a lot about the differences and why the differences matter.

[@TJRshots]

Quality content, Rodney

[@Silvvy_N80]

Out all the cons you mentioned about mud tyres I’ve never had any issues with Kenda tyres just saying, love the content bro ❤

[@justinmeasday8930]

Use balance beads to balance mud terrain tires and rotate often

[@Whitetrash_Customs]

I have both these tires on 6 of my rigs, outstanding tires!!!!

[@michaellewandowski7596]

Some other folk have hit rain / snow as a nissed point. I'm going to add one last thing.... Is it a daily driver? Mud terrains on a dedicated adventure rig are a no brainer. But if you're doing 80-90% highway driving.... with light forays offroad.... AT's are probably the better buy. All depends on your use. Great vid though!

[@anonim1133]

I've just switched from AT to RT last year and when it rains it's almost like driving on ice. I'm considering getting back to AT as it's my daily. And AT's have never really have let me down.

[@boomcr7302]

Another awesome review Ronny! I’ve got KO2’s atm and now after this review I’ll definitely be getting some MT’s. I have the option to select 4A whilst driving on wet roads and AT’s are fine, so MT’s shouldn’t be much different. Again another great in depth review! 😎💯

[@davidbutler5114]

I ran the KO2 M/T. Offroad they produce exceptional grip and flex. The Tire compound is very soft and wear happens quickly on pave surfaces. Sharp rocks will also tear out section of the tread blocks. I run through 1 set of tires per year and was disappointed with the tire life 15k Miles. The older BFG M/T had a much better tread life. I do really like the ability the softer tread compound provides in driver feed back. It slowly starts letting go of the surface giving time for driver input.

[@boomcr7302]

Thanks for sharing that review @davidbutler5114

[@GriffinConway]

Snow = All terrains are the best by far

[@michaelhains2291]

Except real snow tryes.

[@adammcdonagh915]

Ronny, if the IOC ever made 4wding an Olympic sport; You would win Gold mate! Your vids are 110% awesome. I learn something every time. Thank heaps.

[@JasonMcMahon-h1c]

Mud tyres only for me. I have a 200 series landcruiser with a lot of weight on board. I've had multiple sets of standard tyres, all terrain tyres and mud tyres of all high end brand names BFG, Mickey Thompson, Coopers and now a set of Maxxis Mud terrain's and dare i say they have been the best of the bunch. I'm loving the great content you have to be one of if not the best you tube channels in this beautiful country of ours and have been inspirational to me for years. Keep up the great work 👍

[@bobcooper1055]

Cooper Pro's for me.. on my second set of this Generation.. also run them on my Adventure trailer.. Trailer and spares get hand me downs.. you get use to the noise.. quiets the lady down.. Did I say that? Thank for the info, you proved what I thought.. 1998 XJ 12.5 x 33 x 15.. 4600 lb loaded , 2200 front, 2400 rear.. Jeep is always loaded and ready to Adventure.. Adventure trailer 2700lb.. fully loaded and always ready to go.. Thanks again.. always great info..

[@vertonmccaulou5]

Nitto exograplers for me

[@joshlower1]

Then your outdated

[@darrelljacobjr2120]

Put 14oz. of .20g airsoft BB's in your tires, and No wheel weights. Sounds crazy but after a slight vibration at 40mph you'll have zero vibration all the way up through 70. They somehow balance the tire. Worked even when I had bias-ply Swamper Thornbirds. Now my favorite mud-terrain is Pitbull Rockers. The secret to low noise with mud terrain tires is carve every third edge lug a different shape. You'll notice this design on the expensive ones. Like baffles in a suppressor, breaks the noise up into smaller waves.

[@petespike5000]

You did not discuss how they handle on a wet surfaces like bitumen, after all it might be a long ride home on sealed roads after you adventure.

[@Secretlyanothername]

If you crash in the wet no problem

[@ensatlantic]

Videos like this is the salt of YT. Really really useful info.

[@calholli]

It's pretty basic common sense.. he's not really saying anything new

[@wherebluemeetsgreenoutdoors]

Does he have to ? Experience and viewer knowledge differs a lot.

[@ianparsons8894]

Rugged terrain (aka hybrids)?

[@richardwalsh5570]

100 percent, what about Hybrids like the Toyo R/T or Goodyear Duratrac or Micky Thompson Baja Boss A/T?

[@alextrainor2552]

What about them? Theyre closer to at's than mt's. So theyre marginally the same in every condition. Mt's are the real step above at's

[@richardwalsh5570]

@@alextrainor2552 wanted some more information than that. Some real world feedback

[@darrengray2309]

​@@alextrainor2552BULLSHIT they are closer to a A/T

[@denisgately4701]

He actually dismissed the hybrids/RTs with a one liner : they are a softer compound than MT. But I wouldn’t mind it if he did a deeper dive into the world of hybrids.

[@dahotrod1533]

I live in England. Most all terrains for sale are fakies. The falken at3 and at4s are a good tire across the world. But in England we only get the falken at3wa which may as well be an all season. Same with the bfg k02's. They only sell the thin sidewall ones over here (yep there's 2 versions) I opted for mud terrains in the end. (Falken mt01) Tbh they've been alright. Wet grip hasn't been too bad. They haven't been too noisy. And haven't got stuck (yet). The other thing that suprised me is how well the balanced. They didn't take much weight. All the weights pinged off when i took it offroad and it'll still do 90mph on the road with those tires with no vibration.

[@RedesCat]

Skinny A/Ts are king

[@rrphotography3600]

Just started testing this theory and definitely am agreeing so far. Haven't had the chance to try anything in the wet so far though.

[@ouisi7]

Camel Trophy Defenders ran 235s through terrain gnarlier than most people dream of. IMHO (especially here in the US), MT tires over 285 are more for showing off than driving.

[@JollyGiant19]

@@ouisi7yeah, unless the tire material is soft enough to bend (like BFG KM3 MTs) it’s really best to get a skinny AT

[@llccddww]

Next time I will go for pizza cutters( and they weight less than 285's). My problem is my beadlocks are 8.5 wide maybe too wide for a skinny 255/80r17?

[@rrphotography3600]

@llccddww you'll probably be fine, 255 tyres are 10 inches wide. Tred pattern is probably the same width as the rim.

[@semiontario]

My Mud tires are amazing in the snow !! I cant wait to get another snow storm!!!

[@Wilbargosh]

‘Grip strength’ = friction. Friction = energy loss = rubber wear and higher fuel consumption. A/T are a good balance for offroad touring and higher load carrying.

[@jamesaustralian9829]

But that requires science and common sense lol

[@nirfz]

You do realize that wheels are rolling? A tyre with more grip/friction on the road surface does not increase energy loss, because the wheel rolls and isn't dragged in a slidy way over the surface. (if it were, the tyres grip=friction would indeed do what you claimed.) What increases the fuell consumption with AT and more so with MT tyres is their weight, and the increased tread block stiffness and sidewall stiffness. The weight means more inertia needed to change the wheelspeed (accelleration) and the stiffer built means more rolling resistance as the tyre resists any form of squishing more. (and tyres on motorvehicles do need to squish in use, otherwise they would bounce around and not offer a safe level of ground contact) And so you need more force to roll a wheel with an AT over a normal road tyre and most MTs over ATs. More force equals more energy.

[@williamgrowiii1244]

Good video, and certainly has me more open to mud terrains in the future but for a couple things: Wet pavement (very common in my area) I think favors the all terrain. Also, snow and ice. KO2's (all terrains) are mountain/snowflake rated so I can run them year 'round up where I live.

[@TheKingOfInappropriateComments]

MTs are downright dangerous in the rain on pavement. I don't know if you have rain down undah. If all you want is for the looks but using on pavement, get the ATs.

[@Forevagrey]

BFG ATs are also down right dangerous in wet conditions

[@Secretlyanothername]

Lots of rain, particularly in the wet season up north

[@wolfgang_h3t]

Both my BFG and maxxis muddies have been fine in the rain, and I'm usually doing 7ish (mph) over the speed limit even in corners, are y'all just like, fucking street racing or something?

[@TheKingOfInappropriateComments]

@@wolfgang_h3t I was using Nittos and even the Nitto website warns against it. The recommenr instead an AT tire that still looks very aggressive.

[@4xhoser]

Agree to all your points Ronny, wet asphalt driving is my main reason to not run MTs on my daily. Mileage too. Loved to see old footage with waynes old 79! Miss those old vids! 👌🤘😀🇨🇦

[@Sh4dow682]

Do mud terrains chew out quicker if used on the highway alot?

[@AmboyChamblis]

Have not had that problem with Maxxis RAZR tires- they are an all around excellent tire.

[@AnAmericanPatriot1555]

Considering they are softer, more pliable and have less contact with the road surface, I would think so. You can even hear them on the road. Just listen to them on asphalt when people drive past you. Each time you hear a tread strike the asphalt it makes noise. That’s the tread hitting the surface. A surface that acts as sandpaper on them.

[@letsdothis9063]

I put some cheap A/Ts on my honda pilot, basically because its not much of a off-roader. They have a very interesting tread pattern. There is a lot of fine siping that progresses to bigger siping, that progresses to the actual tread blocks. I basically just needed something that i could take off road to get to fishing spots and drive down in the pasture. I have encountered pretty muddy conditions when it floods here. So far they have been amazing. Sometimes, i have started spinning when climbing steep hills, but i just roll back a bit and come up at a different speed (usually slower). I dont expect them to last for a lot of miles, but i barely drive that thing anymore. They are called Dextero ATs, and the only difference between the ATs and highway version is tread spacing and side lugs on the AT. My buddy just put 37inch interco Super Swamper SXTs on his Gladiator, and they are AGGRESSIVE! He gets bothered because he is OCD about his truck and they throw stuff up at the truck. Lol He only goes off road when i talk him into it. He was a car guy, but he bought a Jeep to fit in with some friends that we hang out with now. 😅

[@trickymon]

Ronny sponsored again . Do you mention you get your maxxis tyres for free ? Do you ever mention costs or other brands … go out and spend your own money and then do a review

[@TJRshots]

What are you talking about you bot..this is AT vs MT

[@ConfusedGeriatric]

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[@trickymon]

@@TJRshots read below 👇

[@trickymon]

@@ConfusedGeriatric no worries sheep 🐑

[@Giant-Egg-Roll]

Irrelevant blather. This isn’t about brands.

[@chriswalker4272]

I've found a good solution to all these off-road tyres going out of balance, is installing the right weight of balancing beads. Because they dynamically balance the wheel, as opposed to static balance. So if you get something stuck in the tread, the beads dynamically rebalance the wheel in real time. You don't need a computer just a set of scales to weigh your tyre so you put in about the right amount of beads, and your tyres balanced for its lifetime.

I would include also the concrete/asphalt performance. Yes, it isnt main focus of offroading, but you have to get there somehow and in most cases, you travel on standard roads with apshalt or concerete highways where is the performance of offroad tires terrible in comparision to highway tires. Yes, yes I get it that highway tires wont get you to Mordor and back, but most people will face emergency braking while getting to outbacks while beeing on the highway or city. So some tips and facts about it wont hurt and might swing the opinion either way. Except this... Great video! Really enjoyed it! Thank you :)

[@tonyhadenough2574]

Maxxis tyres are absolutely amazing, i run the Razr 811's A/T on my Mux now, i also ran them on my Jackaroo they are awesome. I have tried other brands, I won't use nothing else but Maxxis, best brand tyre you can buy

[@fj9460-lr]

As always, great information! I ran Cooper (Zenon) Mud Terrains for years on my land rovers and I was very pleased but they aren’t offered any longer. I switched to BFG All Terrains KO 2 and they’re okay, but I miss the version my Mud Terrains. I’m going back to Mud Terrains on my LR4 next tire purchase

[@Bacnow]

I love Cooper tires!

[@workphone3308]

Gr8 Info Ron , i just subscribed to yr ch, ...i recognised yr from WA too, with powerline track & lancelin :) ,,Ive had Falken wildpeak A/T's on my old WG jeep for 6 years, couldnt fault 'em , long lasting with mostly paved driving , gr8 side wall protection...My newer WK2 jeep i just got, has wildpeak's aswell 275/55R20 , word must of got around, they're popular - happy to stick with em....cheers

[@TRONA-CA]

Out here in the California, Arizona, Nevada deserts, nothing beats a good quality MT tire!

[@barry8458]

My favorite for decades until we couldn’t get it Brigstone M/T Duelers…great on wet pavement also ..balanced better that most comparable tires too..had to go Toyo’s open mud as a close 2nd…my last set I’ve went Toyo’s R/T which is a hybrid 1/2 mud 1/2 A\Terrain….very good tire…a little quieter than the mud’s..but no complaints about it’s capabilities 👍🏼

[@kdw75]

I have gone Mud Terrains for mud, snow and grass and tracks for sand. On my wife's SUV the most important thing is a rim protector. She scuffs the curbs weekly. On my diesel it is so loud that road noise doesn't matter. On my F-150 hybrid I have all-terrains and plan to go with a milder tread since it lives on the highway and I appreciate the quiet.

[@taurota1554]

Awesome and outstanding content as always.Thanks for sharing and taking us along

[@willtricks9432]

After 6 tears with 900x 16 Bar Grips on a 101 forward Control Landrover for tree work mainly on road but plenty of real mud and rough hills, not much sand. Now in a L200 with All terrain on the front and Mud on the back, it's better but with a Chainsaw and Chipper going when not driving who notices ant noise? Great round up. Cheers

[@TRONA-CA]

The Maxxis RAZR MT's were not loud at all! And they perform exceptionally great!

[@seanflanigan4508]

I've run the same RAZR MTs for several years and they have been superb. Now the top step in the tread blocks is gone they're still superb off-road and on dry sealed roads. However... Wet sealed road performance is now atrocious. Unpredictable understeer and oversteer. It's very clear that it's now a dangerous proposition thinking about wearing these tyres down to minimum tread depth. Not ditching them though. For the one clear weakness, I've got a set of quality ATs for daily driving through the wetter months. These MTs, though worn, still play hard off-road, and on unsealed roads. Where Ronnys advice is spot on is in choosing the tyre that best suits the majority of the terrain travelled on.

[@AudioFreqx]

wow one WHOLE decade? Been at this since the 60's. Recovery since the 80's ♥ Mr Hasitall talking about being stuck with parts is cute. We can afford two sets but at 2600meters and ~7" of rain a year, we are fine.

[@rayleary6228]

Had 38 super swampers on 99 f250..terrible in the rain...noisy as hell...never got stuck in mud. Have 31 wrangler authority on my cherokee....no complaints at all. Rain snow and mud...go like crazy