5 Games Made with Default RPG Maker Assets

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Crown of Chaos
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The Blinding of the Light
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James VS The World
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Dude Knight
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Wayfarers
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The Princess' Heart
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Chronicles: Fate of a Princess
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Tamer Island
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At Last Alone: Risen
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[@Theedgyscoutmain]

dude, this is amazing. you're not like other reviewers where you just absolutely destroy a game made with default assets. this is actually the nicest rm video i've seen in a while! :D

[@skeletonking2501]

Scout, is that you?

[@Theedgyscoutmain]

Lich King oh lmao hi

[@thejawgz6719]

Many RPG Maker games with default assets can be better than games with custom content. The first Legionwood is much better than most fancy-pants games with custom graphics that look amazing but play like ass.

[@Roseastasia]

Dude *knight

[@McDinglefart_69]

@@thejawgz6719 But why not customize the game? Default RPGM just screams of laziness. What kind of game can be made with such a lazy attitude?

[@Madkingstoe]

These reviews gave me a great boost in confidence, because I now realize how low the bar for a published game is. All I need is correct grammar and spelling and I'll have an A rated game.

[@Vittrich]

Im always doubting myself and im scared my game will no be received well, im also using the default assets because im simply not able to design my own, but when i see how bad 99% of the games are and were made, it rly pushes my confidence. atm i have invested 800hours of work for ~2 hours of gameplay, but at least ive received mostly positive feedback from 10 random testers.

[@raineyraine5887]

@@Vittrich you know you can commission people to make assets for you or there are some asset packs available in various places on the internet, I understand if you can’t afford that or simply don’t want to, but just letting you (or anyone else reading this) know that option is there if you were not aware.

[@riskyworks]

@@raineyraine5887 When I get RPG Maker MV, I won't be able to use custom assets cus console doesnt allow that. But I am excited to try out RPG Maker

[@demonteddybear3510]

I just started making my first RPG. Going step by step, and testing every change to make sure I didn't mess something up. Example: Changing transparency so the character isn't invisible after the intro.

[@n1ghtmaren1bbles]

This is how I feel as well, I'm currently making a game and I get worried cause i always think to myself "No one is gonna place this its gonna get brushed over I just wasted my time" but finding these base assets games and other games that aren't necessarily bad really boost my confidence and it just shows me that you don't have to be trying to produce a triple a game out of rpg maker to get recognition from the community just some effort and faith in yourself Sorry for the wall of text 😅

[@3_14pie]

_salutations, fellow adolescent_ is probably *THE* best line I ever seen in a rpg maker game

[@Lonewulf321]

I really admire you for playing these rtp games and providing constructive criticism, not just bashing on them.

[@Lonewulf321]

@@morgzana1374 hee ho!

[@idiotontheweb]

@@Lonewulf321 "I'm just a hee surrounded by hos"

[@Lonewulf321]

@@idiotontheweb a fellow frost, welcome my brother

[@idiotontheweb]

@@Lonewulf321 we will overtake the atlus headquarters one way or another

[@ryokiritani4187]

@@Lonewulf321 big fan my guy

[@BobTheTrueCactus]

The Wayfarers guy watched your video and it gave him a huge boost in confidence. Good job! Btw. I know this gets way too much credit but thanks for letting the faces of the characters in your game face to the right side when talking! That makes it feel they're facing you - and not away.

[@cheskaarana6097]

Where did the dev mention it? Link pls?

[@genesisSOC]

RTP is Run Time Package because that's what it was officially called when installing previous RPG Maker versions like 2000, 2003, XP, etc., it's not called that any more in MV because it uses a different system, but the idea is still the same.

[@beardalaxy]

I was gonna' say, RPG Maker Web has the download for all of them and it calls it the Run Time Package.

[@staticshocker69]

For those wondering why it was called as such, it also came separate from the program so that devs could keep download sizes of their games low. If you packaged the resources with the game you would be downloading an extra 300-500MB of resources you could just download once, by downloading the Run Time Package.

[@undeadproductions3876]

I have left the development of my game, because I was working with just RTP graphics, the lack of money to pay for someone to do the art always was a kick in the b411s for me. Then, I find this video, looking at it inspires me to keep working on it. Graphics aren't the main essence of the game. Thank you.

[@GTSN38]

What is the name of your game ?

[@nicywicy]

I too was kicked in the labia's thank you for inspiring me

[@ddd-op5wy]

Why not just... Do the art yourself?

[@waydevanniekerk7886]

​@@ddd-op5wy Gimp is my go to for making my own art

[@Laezar1]

@@ddd-op5wy because art is hard and not everyone has the time, energy or motivation to learn an entire craft when that's not the aspect they want to work on in the first place.

[@WardogblackyEX]

I just want to say that this was a very inspirational video. Not only was it a good laugh but I appreciate how you went for constructive criticism and gentle teaching as opposed to negative bashing and cynical remarks that you'll find towards numerous RPG Maker games. It's videos like these that keep me opening my program to fulfill the dream of turning my childhood stories and adventures into fun little RPG games for anyone to play. Even my own 'ugly duckling' first RPG. You've got yourself a sub, my friend!

[@TheGamedawg]

Thanks a lot! I'm glad you enjoyed it.

[@imannatasha3302]

I'm so glad that wayfairer made it into this cause it made me smile thinking the dev might stumble into this video and see someone gushing about their work

[@TheGamedawg]

At this point the dev has stumbled upon this video, actually. They liked it!

[@wayfindersgame1261]

It's true. I liked it so much it actually motivated me to continue working on whenever I have spare time.

[@imannatasha3302]

@@wayfindersgame1261 that's awesome! How far are u from finishing it? Cause I'm really interested in playing it

[@wayfindersgame1261]

@@imannatasha3302 I'm currently involved in another project and after that I'll have some time to work on Wayfarers again. However, there's some big changes I'm going to be making for it. When I'm done with my other project (which will be very soon!) I'll make an announcement on my twitter and devlog from my itch.io page.

[@scwarfbandito2520]

Wow, thanks for using my demo (Crown of Chaos) in a video hahaha. Most of the typos are because 4 of us worked on the text. Honestly the first part is supposed to be cheesy haha. I'm honestly kinda happy that you've done this! I might keep working on it but thank you for the criticism. the tags were because the Demo was supposed to be longer, but i cut a lot of the demo out because it was pretty buggy!

[@ChexNyx]

Scwarf Bandito I feel so bad knowing you watched this video... calling things lazy, criticising a demo for plot dumps or typos, I just... yeesh...

[@scwarfbandito2520]

@@ChexNyx honestly at first yeah but then the fact the someone has even played it makes me feel happy haha there was a lot of trouble in development and having published a demo was a huge feat in itself even if I accidently left a lot wrong in it haha.

[@a-dashof-pepper4710]

Look at it this way. You're getting pointers on making the next one better. Think of it as leveling up as a developer. ;)

[@whyinds]

@@scwarfbandito2520 Honestly, I would love to see this game made in full. It has some potential in it due to the 2 worlds thing.

[@athelmúsica]

Excuse me whats the name of the page. I would like to see your game and some others.

[@Future_Doggo]

While all the kiddos were playing OFF, LISA, and To The Moon, real men were playing James vs The World.

[@Areus_]

Indeed, the sound of perseverance

[@DeavtheDev]

😂😂😂

[@Cuprite1024]

If anyone's going through these comments, fun fact about Wayfarers: It's since been renamed to "Wayfinders" and shifted over to Unreal Engine about two years ago. I just learned about that after deciding to check on the game again. It's interesting.

[@Handington]

This was such a fair, genuine, and fun video on these handful of games. So often I hear people just throw RPG Maker games aside solely due to the engine - and that's even with custom made art/sounds. So many don't appreciate the wonderful side of RPG Maker and it's beautiful material. I'm glad you didn't just hate on these games for not being made super well, but made valid criticisms, explained the good they were aiming for, and really gave a nice look into the world of games like these. You also did a great job explaining in a cohesive, understandable way how a lot of behind the scenes stuff for RPG Maker works, and you did wonderfully. I'm currently working on a game of my own, and it mostly uses the default RM, though in a stylized way. I hope people will look at it with the same fairness as you've done with these games. You're a great reviewer and KZbinr; I wish you the best!

[@beardalaxy]

Speaking of To The Moon, that game also uses a LOT of default assets! It uses them VERY well, though, and in the mix are plenty of custom ones and edited ones as well to make it seem a bit more fleshed out.

[@nimacamo]

Damn, I just stumbled upon this 4 year old video and your channel. Nice commentary, good insight and if I look at your channel, you are super consistent. hat's off to you.

[@DracoHandsome]

The worst thing about MV games that don't know what self-switches are is that MV actually has a make-a-treasure-chest button that does the chest animation, sound, and self-switch for you.

[@JSRphones]

For Dude Knight: Have you tried pressing the Z key at the forest exit? Sometimes there are people who make "action button" triggers by accident instead of "player touch"

[@FuraFaolox]

i was thinking the same. events default to that, and newer users may not realize it's even there.

[@M1ster_S1R]

I know it's been a long time, but you should really make another one of these videos. It passes on all the marks of being educational, funny (without being hateful or toxic), you provide good feedback, and just have a good time. I subbed from this video alone and would be all for another one.

[@urphakeandgey6308]

Agreed. I'd also like to see him actually pick good games too, instead of just randomly selecting them. Maybe keep a few hilariously bad ones, but I'm more curious to see someone make a good game with default RPG maker assets.

[@Life-Sky]

The creator of Wayfarers was motivated to continue working due to this video! Amazing! My recommendation for a game made using mostly (if not all?) RPG assets is Sins of the Demon, it's on steam and has really good reviews. I enjoyed it a lot, it has more than 15+ hours of incredible story.

[@riskyworks]

I like how Wayfarer seems to use the character generator, although that could be wrong

[@wayfindersgame1261]

You are correct. I used a character generator for all the major and minor characters. General NPC's I used characters from a variety of bundle packs.

[@casualcashew7424]

You had me ROFL-ing when you started James vs the World , Thank you for doing this video as it really helps for players and devs alike.

[@KadotCom]

What part got you of James VS The World

[@vingerengaoma]

"This song is burnt into the souls of every RPG maker dev." Oh how true that is, you just never get around to editing it out so you hear it every time you open the game. 😂

[@screenwatcher949]

I've absolutely fallen in love with your channel. Watched the entire YiiK post-mortem and you just have the most amazing attitude for this stuff. As a prospective RPGMAKER dev this is very inspirational stuff!

[@RobotGerbil]

This was a really well put together video. I'd love to see you cover more RPG Maker games.

[@Youtuber90sdude]

My friend made a game on it called weed quest... a story about a guy who was in search for the legendary herb. To get high.... Is anyone excited for the Nintendo Switch rpg maker?

[@dustycrustyhomelessman1648]

only if weed quest is on there

[@luea8260]

lmao ngl I was skipping around in this video until I got to the part where you're praising Archie and then I KNEW I had to watch your entire review of Wayfarers. You single-handedly got me invested into looking into the game myself and honestly your excitement and passion for the game makes me really excited to play it myself

[@radicaldonutstudios91]

2 years later and this is still a timeless classic...

[@DarkKingRosemar]

Thank you for making this video. I'm one of the aforementioned RM creators with no art skills and I get very disheartened hearing people both in the community and on YT tear games apart for using default RM and say you just should bother publishing if you don't have full custom assets. Seeing that some people can still enjoy a game because of its story or gameplay even if it's using default RM gives me hope.

[@aaronfry27]

yoo my video thumbnail showed up at 14:09 thats a cool surprise lol

[@starwarsbeta1130]

ok this video is 4 years old but I'm still gonna comment because as I am attempting to make my first game using RPG Maker (that way I don't have to get bogged down with making all the art/music/code/etc) this was actually a really great video. Pretty much every other video I've looked at on this topic is just 20 mins of them dogging on the default assets and even RPG Maker as a whole. The end conclusion usually being either don't use RPG Maker or disguise it so much you can't tell it was made with RPG Maker. Which aren't exactly bad points (I'm trying to use some community made assets to vary up the art) but I am specifically wanting to make that jrpg style and not just a puzzle horror game (which seem to be the go to alternative style). Finally finding someone talking about both the good and bad of default games while keeping an overall positive attitude was super refreshing.

[@davidwilson4446]

I’m currently making my own game ALMOST exclusively using default assets with a few plugins and I have been so worried that people will hate it because it’s default but looking at these games and then looking at mine I am proud to say mine isn’t as bad as I thought ^_^”

[@jesseroberts9960]

Ya mine is incredible looking to those ones haha. Cheers on that! And good luck on your project!

[@ryanc5572]

My favourite rpgmaker game is almost nothing but default assets. Don't let that stop you mate.

[@MasterBronzeElite]

GREAT VIDEO. Super easy to just bash on RPG Maker games, but you took the time and effort to critique them all, which is awesome.

[@TsukiStuffs]

this is one of my favorite rpg maker related videos

[@lunarcoregames]

I've always wanted to go back and make a small game from each rpg maker using default assets as if they are part of the same series. A just for fun project.

[@dewmany936]

It does mean Run Time Package, that's what the earlier versions named the ressources (the RTP were installed separetly); the abbreviation was just something the community came up with. I believe in MV and up (maybe even VX, I didn't use that one) they were renamed to something else; but the name had stuck.

[@Methrael]

Watching this now and wow, this is a great explanation as to why people give me a sketchy look when they see I made my games in RM VX Ace

[@Enigma2Me]

Even though I've read the other comments that say RTP means Run Time Package, I honestly thought it meant Ready To Play. Like Ready To Play Assets or something.

[@seangrogan9393]

The editing for James vs the world was amazing! Have a subscription 😂😂😂😂

[@TheTartKnight]

5:30 Gee, an epic RPG where I have to collect four treasures of the elements? I've never heard that one before...

[@scwarfbandito2520]

Oho, perhaps.. It's meant to be that way? who knows?

[@TheTartKnight]

@@scwarfbandito2520 the reference was worth it tho...

[@akiradkcn]

People have been so obsessed with vague notions of "inovation" lately, so much that a classic quest for the four elemental crystals has gone from a overused cliche, to a breath of fresh air

[@BusyBasaz]

TheGamedawg: Sometimes you just want to make a game despite having no artistical talent. Me with no artistical talent: *cries*

[@ksyoush7565]

That's why art commissions exist.

[@akiradkcn]

@@ksyoush7565 money

[@ksyoush7565]

@@akiradkcn I'm pretty sure anyone who want a quality game won't mind investing money into it

[@akiradkcn]

@@ksyoush7565 how do you invest what you dont have

[@ksyoush7565]

@@akiradkcn work :)

[@BeyondBaito]

I wonder if anyone has made an RPG Maker game with every sample map.

[@Cuprite1024]

I think there's a game out there that basically tries to be the "canon" RMMV game, and I know there's an equivalent for VX/Ace, so they *do* exist. Without that specific goal, it'd just feel lazy, but with it, there's a genuine purpose to it. It's pretty interesting and creative via limitations.

[@ponyprideworldwide]

i wish i was made with Default RPG Maker Assets

[@justuswhite924]

Thank you so much for this! It didn't cure my depression, but it showed that I can indeed make a halfway-decent map! I think I'll get back into game making, and learn the ins and outs of Ruby scripting while I'm at it.

[@Jerdz]

I'm French and I remember lots of comakers was pretty into creating games in an hour, it is kinda nice to put such limitation because we are always starting projects and never finish them ^^

[@SofaKingKoi]

I had this on in the background and you got my attention bringing up eternal eyes, first tactics rpg i got for christmas in the early 2000s

[@kannanraju5018]

Enjoyed this a lot! Would love to see another one of these videos with some more default-asset RPGMaker games!

[@MoistCrumpet]

I didn’t even know RPG Maker had sample maps! It could come in handy whenever I decide to challenge myself by making a game in a few weeks for fun. It is very lazy though when you’re trying to make a game that’s actually good and unique.

[@willyjf6193]

Making my first game and using all default assets for it except a couple bosses I drew. Once I get the core mechanics down of the maker I'll be more confident adding assets

[@bloodrunsclear]

New sub! Trying to get into RPG Maker again during the pandemic Wayfarers sounds legitimately like something I'd buy on Steam!

[@GungKrisna12]

maybe since people thought that RPGMaker built in assets are only meant for prototype phase, which after the mechanic is established, the assets are expected to be replaced by original assets

[@goldsocks9999]

That venn diagram is the most accurate thing ive ever seen.

[@Zarsla]

RTP = Run Time Package. It's called this as all makers before RMMV, has to be exported with this to run on a computer without rtp. (Or it has to be installed on the computer running the game) It has (built in the default assets) thus rtp.

[@braunstein5645]

bro i have been making a game series for my friends in MV with only the default assets (ONLY the base ones, no dlc) for 3 years because i literally forgot that you could use plugins and i was too lazy to do own sprites, sounds and music (each of the games is about 0,5 to 2 hours long, depending on how you play) this looks normal to me edit: okay lol i cant believe people upload these broken 3 minute games and wayfarers is really cool

[@BetaXeeta]

Dude if Wayfarers actually gets finished I would actually be really hyped, it sounds really good

[@wayfindersgame1261]

I've been a bit preoccupied with other projects to help me advance in my personal career so I haven't had much time to work on Wayfarers. :( But I'm always keeping notes and thinking of ways to improve it when I'm eventually able to work on it again, hopefully sometime this year.

[@BetaXeeta]

@@wayfindersgame1261 Ah, well take your time! Completely understandable that you’re busy and I hope you do well in your endeavors!

[@yhurebrito]

You are searching pearls on trash but you succeed at it

[@drawkylesworld]

Your review of James VS The World had me straight dying. So funny.

[@karpai5427]

This is very wholesome. Thank you for this video.

[@HuggyKnight]

Never thought I'd hear someone reference Eternal Eyes. Good job! :D

[@Petq011]

They are making an official *RPG Maker MV* game for *The Rising of the Shield Hero* ... Hope it gets translated to english. -_-

[@jesseroberts9960]

I'd be curious to how its handled and how it uses the software. I'm trying to make a game using this software but it's so fucking taunting at times.

[@Cuprite1024]

I know some people who would be pretty excited about that.

[@KentaroMiyamoto21]

They have. While it uses a lot of default assets, it made sure to include custom ones straight from the anime. It plays pretty well too.

[@MrRAGE-md5rj]

There's actually 3 Shield hero RPGMaker games; two of them are officially sponsored, while the last one is a fan-project. I believe that the first and last ones were both made by the same person, but the former was actually sold to the Kadokawa corporation (the same company that finances several popular animes, as well as he team that owns RPGmaker.) Here's the OG creator's channel, complete with a playlist of his game. kzbin.info/door/9xjta9LB7Xb94-FIzavcbQfeatured

[@MrRAGE-md5rj]

This is the only officially sponsored Shield hero game that is free. It also seems much more polished than the version on Steam. shieldhero-anime.jp/en/special/

[@milasuke]

Very good video, I like the way you review, taking the time to appreciate the work behind every game.

[@melanatedindie]

This is an amazing video! You gave each game a chance to shine. I'm using default assets and this gives me ideas on what to avoid.

[@djkouza]

Same here. My first attempt at a game, so using default assets and have used a couple "template maps" though I have tried to at least edit them some. As I learn I may go back and redo them as well.

[@melanatedindie]

@@djkouza always room to redo and refine once the bare bones are down. Like in writing, a bad page is better than a blank one.

[@lorenzoclemons2581]

Hilarious without being just flat out mean for not having the most polished game. Please make more of these!

[@user.mlxa_xi]

liking this video just for the Eternal Eyes reference! That was my favorite RPG as a child and it left a lasting impression on me. :)

[@slambotv1334]

The final game looked genuinely good.

[@sakura1044]

I laughed so hard when he ripped the wall with his hands.

[@bigfatx7453]

RTP is indeed Run Time Package... With older versions, your players could download RTP seperately, so developers didn't have to add them all to their projects. As of MV this is not the case anymore.

[@AndroidOverlord]

This motivated me to keep working on my little weird game egg that I've been sitting on while trying to learn the engine. Good times.

[@Valefolken]

You sure do give devs the benefit of the doubt. It's a double-edged sword, though.

[@irmuusanaa4227]

As a rule I reuse the attack animations, I usually make original enemies but most times it’s easier to rename attack sprites and use it.

[@daltrui315]

Devs need more constructive critic videos like this. That's how we get better games!

[@PyroOfZen]

RTP standing for Runtime Package is correct. So named, because it's a package of default assets you install to your computer that will be accessed by an RPG Maker game at runtime.

[@amberhide04]

The last sovereign is also a game that uses mostly default assets and it's amazing

[@MyNameIsEthan]

This is the motivation as to why I'm making my game.... I may have added my own stuff to make it stand out, but I use the Character Generator, so that counts. Right?

[@thecruxisswordrpg8729]

The RTP in the right hands (and some GIMP editing) could still make an attractive looking game.

[@russellhtf6969]

13:24 Oh, nice, it's Ron the Raccoon! He does super cool art ^^

[@Kori-nya-music]

James vs. The Giant P- I am C R Y I N G! I CANT! I am laughing way to fricken hard.

[@KadotCom]

That he made the JVTW (James VS The World) say James VS The Giant P- (btw I made JVTW)

[@sunsetter4940]

Scwarfbandito I will never forget this and will name my first pet after it

[@jaybandit6599]

"Let's just bite the bolt and jump into it". Famous last words. Also this was a really good review

[@chrislussenden3130]

what spinny thing probability random display visual was that in the cut-scene ...i need that in my life

[@billpines06]

whoever made wayfares they need to do more because I really want to play it

[@Life-Sky]

The creator is still working on it! This video is one of the main reasons for it yay! :D

[@crowstorical187]

This just gives me confidence with my game

[@farahgrants6419]

I just discovered your channel and was praying this video wasn't 4 years old. I love your content! keep it up!

[@thegeakshow]

I'm only 4 years later watching this vid BUT either way great content. Got me motivated and excited for my own projects! (Now let me check if you did a part 2)

[@Will-C]

These reviews were so wholesome :')

[@fihrilkamal7296]

I remember eternal eyes, is like monster collecting tactical strategy.

[@ryukusu_luminarius]

Thank you for the review. I enjoyed watching it. I decided that instead of writing books that no one will read, I'd better make games like Novells. RPG maker has enough assets, so I don't need to manually draw everything by myself! But then I realized that it is more interesting to create a world, a game with RPG Maker. So, now I'm in process of creating a maze-exploration game. With the default assets. It won't have the tactical battle system, and I'm still not sure if I will add enemies there. So, if I complete that game, I will share it here.

[@hrgrhrhhr]

"I found out it's a sample map, that is so lazy" Me, in the process of making a game with multiple sample maps: ah shit Edit: at least it doesn't have DUUUUUN DUNUNUN DUN DUN DUN

[@MrAnonCunningham]

Every time I watch a video like this I feel better about my rpg and feel inspired to finish it

[@rhysjonesismyuser]

For dude knight press the action button at the exit area, he might have forgot to make it when player touches

[@anthonyloveschickens]

Is it weird that these games are encouraging me to make my own RPG

[@zorochii]

It is officially called "Run-Time Package". rpgmakerweb.com/download/run-time-packages/ However that name is only suitable for versions prior MV, since MV drops the idea of the RTP (being a redistributable default collection of assets that games made with the program could access as long as you have it installed, in order to potentially decrease download sizes).

[@NoahPopejoy]

I wanna make an RPG Maker MV game. Gotta get some practice first! Just a general idea of the plot: "A boy named Anton falls into another world that bases its entire society around magic and sorcery. He then learns he’s part of a prophecy going on with an evil sorceress named Eldia. He is destined to collect the eight Stones of Light to open the door to a powerful blade that can end Eldia and her forces once and for all. Along the way, he meets and partners up with a colorful cast of characters. A girl named Katelyn, a boy named Zane, and a girl named Terrina."

[@HappyHeart35242]

Now that we know the Switch version of MV is coming out, this would be very encouraging to those who are forced to use the limitations of the console version...like me. For some like me, people simply can't get the PC version due to varying circumstances. So we need some good feedback on devs who absolutely-through no fault of their own-MUST use default options.

[@XX-sp3tt]

7:35 nice to see that wasn't platitudes. I've seen a lot of RPG use a "standard fantasy setting" as a facade.

[@AnimatedCarl]

I have a copy of Eternal Eyes for the PS1. It just happened to be in a PlayStation I found at Goodwill several years ago. I haven't really played it, but I'll take your recommendation after watching this.

[@Arella17]

My struggle right now is with putting the scenes together, mostly the houses

[@ziabatsu4422]

22:35 Wayfarer: the train tileset they used, along with some other assets are not RTP.

[@derf6060gaming]

Older visual novels from the late 80s to early 90s were either in the normal format aka text box plus images or they were top down. Heck, all JRPGsactually were originally based around visual novels... The rpg elements were added in to give VS game play, but, because of this addition JRPGs were born as a genre.

[@TejanoPendragon]

You said to mention RPG maker games at the end there, and I am currently enjoying Dungeon Dreams 2, which kind of reminds me of if someone made a whole game out of the Ancient Cave from Lufia: The Ruins of Lore I am also a huge fan of Symphony of War: The Nephilim Saga - which is made in RPGmaker but uses very few default mechanics and is instead an Ogre Battle-ish Squad Based Turn Based Tactics game

[@alicebubblegum7679]

13:42 | 19:21 | I like LIly, the last game looks to have a good female character