5 Misconceptions About Car Aero!

[@BladedAngel]

I can't believe I even have to clarify this, but I'M DEFENDING FWD WINGS in this video. I'm SUPPORTING Louvers, Vortex Generators, and Big Wangs...even on slow cars! I really had people comment "Why are you hating on FWD Wings, telling ppl what to do?". SMH the Thumbnail is written "LikE tHiS"

[@Swooshpragler]

This makes me laugh. Your channel is great for many reasons, the biggest probably being your capability of making and taking jokes, and yet many people STILL don't get it! I wonder how many of them are subscribed too

[@BladedAngel]

@@Swooshpragler Had someone with a 2 year subscribed badge try to tell me, "This why I hate you, so negative" *Me as a the crown King of Ricers who literally accepts almost every cosmetic mod:* _Bruh what_ If I'm negative in his eyes...I can only imagine what other Car KZbinr's he must've been watching in comparison. I'm not nearly as toxic as 90% of the car community. This whole video is DEFENDING "Ricers" with wings and other Aero mods. Even Doug Demuro teased Vortex Generators as dumb spikes on the Type R, but I defend the Type R here in this video. I genuinely wonder if those people who commented I'm a hater...actually watched the video I made 0.o

[@Swooshpragler]

@@BladedAngel Oh man.. If I had to take an educated guess, that someone was probably offended by one of the things you said (example, how the "akchually" car guys are annoying) and took it personal, hence the whole "you so negative" lol. That, or they only subbed for those number list videos that KZbin algorithms also love As for this video, the truth is it needs the title "quirks and features of aero", with each and every one of them needing their own Doug score.

[@kiev2004]

@@BladedAngel Lol, those ppl actually don't even care about you. They just subbed you and turned on notifications because of a video series they liked that you make, for example Normie's Guide. No other video that you post will seem good in their perspective. I live in India, a place where cars like Corvettes, Mustangs, EVOs etc are rare too see. I have a Mustang, and one day when I was stuck behind slow moving traffic on Tedhipulia flyover bridge, Lucknow, a guy got out of his car and walked up to my window. Then he said "y R u DrIvInG a MuStAnG". My reaction to this was "Bruh what, I'm 16, but I literally know everything to control these types of cars. And ABSOLUTELY love sports cars, supercars and hypercars. I have the freedom to drive Mustangs, F-Types etc because I have the money for that." Then he proceeded to say "oH wElL YoU kNoW tHaT sPoRtS cArS dOnT lAsT lOnG" then I said "Mustangs last a good amount of time you fool, this means you don't even possess the most basic relaibility knowledge, do you?" These types of moments are like so annoying when they happen.

[@lumh28]

hi

[@l.d.4841]

"Vortex generators are called vortex generators because they generate vortexes" Simply, Mind blowing

[@angryboianimates4444]

261 likes no comments lemme fix it

[@preston9344]

Let’s be honest, most people who get wings are purely for aesthetics, including me

[@BladedAngel]

As the current crown king of ricers: _I can relate_

[@hasnicktir5310]

@@BladedAngel We can call you katana'd angeru-sama

[@edwardrod605]

Yep I have just for looks

[@n1oh]

I mean it looks cool which is what we care about. and a little baby benefit call downforce but eh.

[@6gi]

Add it for the cosmetics AND your speed is better. It's a win win

[@clumsygarage1578]

The reason that FWD race cars have wings is because a lot of them have narrower tires at the back, or are just generally set up to turn in aggressively, to overcome the inherent understeer. Saying that front wheel drive cars don’t need rear wings is like saying rear engined cars don’t need front splitters.

[@Manuel-zc7po]

True dat

[@tobylarrison4826]

just wondering, did you mean rwd instead of rear engined?

[@beautifulbeaner]

@@tobylarrison4826 no

[@זהסודי-ה7מ]

It might also be because they are inherently front heavy, so the rear is light (especially under braking) and it loses grip

[@robertocasalegno]

Who tf brings a fwd to atrack tho?

[@anynonymous1585]

Bladed: **doesnt make a list video** KZbin: *NAH BRO. AINT GONNA RECOMMEND THAT*

[@georgepapo]

"No amount of meds will make me like making list videos" he says Pure quality content, best channel ever

[@_Zekken]

I knew a guy who was tracking his Integra Type R. He was wondering about the factory wing on it, and was thinking "hell nah theres no way this actually does anything" He took it off, and went out for a session. He said the car was SO MUCH less stable through the corners. He came back in and immediately put it back on.

[@sayeedalsifat1308]

The count of people like me who watch every single video you release (cause we have nothing to do and you're entertaining) rises and you won't have to comply to KZbins garbage algorithm

[@joshjackburns]

The reason Louvres exist on mid engined cars is for cooling, the Miura originally had a glass engine cover but it would steam up and the engine would overheat too. They solved this issue by creating slats to replace the rear window, not only helping with cooling but making it easier to see out the rear. It’ll be the same with other mid engine cars that have them, for engine cooling purposes while keeping visibility

[@EveryonesOniichan]

Spoiler +50hp

[@thebaguettecompany]

Love that license plate of that civic in the thumbnail....

[@tacticalyuzu8278]

Yeah I heard wings do help even in cars with relatively low horsepower. Apparently some wings gives you downforce at like 50 if you adjust them properly. Sometimes those kinds of cars outperform supercars in a very narrow track so it`s definitely worth it

[@Ren_184]

Hell yeah! 3 videos in a week!

[@gv.wizzyy]

Good

[@blockofcheese8015]

very good

[@logan12satcom83]

Indeed

[@McRay2001]

Speeking of roof spoilers... This reminds me of the awesome Ford Escort RS Cosworth, which was way beyond its time in 1992. I loved to own one and still love it, even when I don't have one now. Just a beautiful car and great aero design.

[@cookracr]

I feel like this is the time to admit my custom plate on my Type R is RICER. 2021 is the year of rice positivity.

[@BladedAngel]

The word will have less meaning if we start owning it. Kind of like how, "Otaku and Weeb" used to be insults...now anime fans call each other that lol. if ricers accept ricerness and call other ricers ricers then ricer won't be an insult anymore!

[@cookracr]

@@BladedAngel that's exactly what I was going for! Their joke can't be funny when I beat them to the punchline.

[@sixunity1171]

as long as rice is not dangerious, i dont mind it

[@robertocasalegno]

@@BladedAngel makes sense, but i will still use it aa an insult

[@seanrade7675]

the french stripes at the front get better and better each time i see them

[@konner8766]

You haven’t been suggested in so long I thought you quit posting until I checked your page but hey now I have something to do

[@BladedAngel]

Ouch :( YT really is trying to axe me huh?

[@Ekksanpher]

Nice video, I’ve been raging about this for a while! :) As a heads up, the roof spoiler at 9:21 is functional (ish). Note how unlikely the others, this one follows the contours of the roof and is shaped like an aeroplane wing (generating arguably a little lift). Like ‘Fox ears’ on single seat race cars (eg formula student cars) that go behind the front wing to redirect airflow down into the radiators (like lift), this redirects air down under the rear wing, generating more downforce than the lift it produces. However it’s uncommon as VGs often do the same job. :)

[@vigneshkannan3921]

1) According to Lamborghini, They are vents for the engine cooling since not closing that up will help the hot air escape easily...... 2) The more downforce meant more corner grip and hence speed. So, you don't need to slow down as much as the other cars and more corner exit speed....... 60-80 is easier than 40-80................ 3) Just like the top part and is passes through it too(which most people forgot). Making it flat/easier for air to flow will also increase the downforce. It is easy and one of the first thing to do if you're modifying your car (for racing and not for show/rice). Not a long time follower. Just stumbled upon one the other day............and love your videos............... Please do a video about wheels (sizes and width) and the misconceptions regarding it......

[@heylolp9]

if you need down force at slow speed you have to basically go full tilt on the aero package to find a way to still create the amounts of grip you need also at slow speed the aero efficiency is less important with efficiency i mean that it doesn't matter if the aero package creates lots of drag at higher speeds as you aren't expecting to reach that speed there is a reason why in racing there always has to be a balance between high attack angles and enough aero for the corners and still having low enough drag for the straights if you don't have high enough straights for drag to hurt you lap time more than you gain in the corners then a more aggressive aero package might help

[@sebastiangeorger5791]

Did I see bosozoku Miata? That sounds awesome

[@__Not_To_Knovv__]

I'm kinda sad with roof spoilers being a bad idea, but if you put it like this, it's good info. good informational video, very useful

[@harmfulmelody5958]

some roof spoilers can force air down the rear window, the 06 sti has one that apparently does this.

[@andre_star7776]

The second argument is supported by F1. Just look at the setups they race at Monaco (A short, narrow and slow track) and Monza (A long, wide and fast track). At Monaco they use the High Downforce Aero Kit, and at Monza they use the Low Drag Aero Kit.

[@hemanths3877]

Down force in track racing is all about geting net center of gravity and pressure point towards center as posible

[@BurningmonkeyGTR]

There's a 4th reason for louvers, the Aventador sets open directly into the engine bay and act as an exit for high speed and high temperature air after the side intakes funnel it through there

[@ponchodwarf1167]

Vortex generators actually increase turbulence but in a good way. They use the turbulence created by the vortex to delaying flow separation (air detaching from the body of the car, increasing drag). This also improves airflow over spoilers.

[@overpearl2110]

Tbh that's actually the best channel I ever seen in my whole life! Like frl we learn every day with this man! Keep up the great content

[@that_c43amg11]

I LOVE the license on the type r in the thumbnail😂😂😂😂

[@perplexxing]

WE NEED THE CULTURE MIATA

[@Thomas-rx9ur]

Still watching so maybe you will touch on it; but I always thought it’s interesting that the Audi TT needed a spoiler installed for everyday safety, not just racing. It’s shape is so similar to an air foil it initially generated so much unintended lift. It needed some kind of trip wire to separate the laminar flow. Anyway…cool video. Gave you a like.

[@Unpopular_Duality.]

"Even as a ricer I've got standards!!" A meme has been born!! Hahahaha!!🤣😂 I'm done!! Good one.

[@jnox3022]

I just absolutely love your vids. They give me so much more information about cars!

[@that_hatchbak_civic]

You know vortex generators do something when you know they are commonly used on the wings of aircraft

[@ap-xw6de]

Roof spoilers and normal spoilers can be useful if done correctly. Like on the 06 sti for an ex. there is a roof spoiler but it has a space for the air to flow under it to make the air go under its spoiler. Its not something that makes the air go over it but under it.

[@gogurt_st]

I got scared when you said roof spoilers are rice, but then I remember I drive a Focus ST lol

[@mariolis]

Hey so , can you make a video on first time car buyers ? I think it would be an interesting topic ... like "5 types of first types of first time buyers" or "stupid things car salesmen tell first time car buyers" etc

[@mclarengeek3574]

I saw a 99 wrx with a a roof spoiler the other day, and it had a second wing at the back that was huge.

[@carking5607]

This man should be our designer teacher.

[@sadeknight9112]

I agree of course but you didn’t specifically address what I think is the number one reason why some people don’t think wings on FWD cars are unimportant. That is a wing will add a ton of downforce over the rear but you need the most grip at the front since that’s where the power and turning are. Downforce doesn’t work in isolation and more in the back will increase the downforce over the entire car in general.

[@mayuravirus6134]

If you already have a spoiler mounted on the trunk the thing you wanna put is probably vortex generator

[@OzarksOutdoors]

Most drag racers still don't use wings just because they do create drag, so if they do need a little bit extra grip in the back they just run just a spoiler. The only exception to the rule is top fuel drag racers, but it's mostly because there is literally nothing to the cars and they're going 4 second quarter miles at 300 mph.

[@HJediting_tuning]

I have vortex generator for my Toyota supra and also a Roof spoiler for my Lexus RX

[@rice_alcohol8732]

For the first misconception there is a old video of a ek9 going around a track with a wing and then without and without it is was drifting while with it is was staying planted

[@dbabu51]

Bladed with the consistent uploads

[@epapa737]

Three vlogs are worth it despite hating anime

[@CaseAgainstFaith1]

I never heard of a “vortex generators” until you. On another one of your videos. I had seen them before, but had no idea what they are. But based on your other video, I did a bit of research and ordered a set, not received yet. Very inexpensive mod.

[@CJalterr]

I adore rocket bunny kits

[@maxanstine1139]

Great video. Noticed that thing though... 9:20 some roof spoilers like the OEM one from the 2006 WRX STI or the E9 BMW Batmobile have roof spoilers that are angled up instead of down. With this type of setup, it forces the air to follow the curvature of the glass and reducing drag.

[@theidealist9793]

Its hilarious that some car people say that aesthetics and looks, over performance, are “rice” but they sure want a good looking pair of shoes, girlfriend/boyfriend etc.

[@nosirrahx]

I have louvers but the Evora 400 is mid engine and the engine air goes right out the open louvers. I switched from glass to louvers and the engine bay is noticeably cooler after aggressive driving.

[@juliusstorm4494]

So something I found too is some people think fwd cars dont need wings because they think the downforce onlynneeds to be pushed into the part of the car that the wheels produce power. Like rwd, needs wing cuz its in the back. Fwd, no because the power is in the front. I see why they could think that but thats a no.

[@ddremoboyable]

I have a roof wing on my daily driven never tracked WRX because I like how it looks. But you also won't catch me at the local car meet trying to defend it from an areo standpoint, so I think I'm okay.

[@Syuurp]

“Those grocery getters usually have enough traction as is” *shows pic of accord*

[@nicwaples6020]

vortex generators are like those little water spouts on the edge of pools with high dives that disrupt the placement of the water, reducing drag, and therefore making entry smoother as it prevents the molecules from aligning in such a way that would make hitting the water like running into a wall. in this case, it breaks up airflow to reduce turbulence and therefore drag.

[@demoknightgaming7190]

Most wings are for aesthetics unless you own a supercar with a wing and somehow have the money to build a track with many turns

[@arcanevoid9199]

not really, pretty much all car companies have some idea about aero and wind tunnels etc also exist. dont need a track to notice a difference

[@gaydes1012]

aero is important on pretty much every vehicle even motorcycles have downforce generating aero on them so that bois can stick to the track at high speed

[@micahcantu5905]

0:36 I think the gremlin is quite cute

[@evanoeab9118]

I actually didn't know that roof spoilers were shite on sedans and coupes...would still put them on a drift car tho...

[@alin98988]

how can we forget the 12 years old wo says that "SuPrA cOmEs WiTh 1200 Hp"

[@granthemstreet3209]

Except in FWD autocross where you need to 3-wheel around every turn just to not understeer lmao

[@yourmomyourdad110]

Last time I was in Atlanta I seen your corvette

[@OddJobEntertainment]

There are a few notable exceptions to the idea that a roof spoiler in combination with a rear spoiler is bad. The Ford Escort Cosworth as designed by Frank Stephenson was intended to have two spoilers (the finance department killed the idea before it hit the rally track), one that went straight back from the roof and another below it. This design did generate more downforce than either of the spoilers on their own. However, these looked pretty different to what most people are sticking onto their cars.

[@errorsk2188]

This video was so cool and entertaining, I skipped exactly nothing. Well done Bladed. Well done.

[@kianabay3977]

Now you might think that list videos are stupid, but you do make them very interesting and enjoyable to watch. Something not everyone can do.

[@BladedAngel]

I'll take that compliment

[@jdhart3759]

I really only like roof spoilers on cars with better aero for the phonky aesthetic (I’m mostly into drift builds)

[@NightMare-jb5tj]

I like how you added the Volvo 👌

[@calvinaleto640]

I like everything about the "Weebvette" except the name and the anime on the side But that's just my opinion. Do whatever you want to your car. If you like anime that much that you put it on your car more power to you, my man😎

[@ToastieStroodle]

cons of having louvers: they dont help your aero pros of having louvers: they dont hurt your aero

[@Puskar2710]

Even if youtube doesnt recommend Bladed Angel his subscribers are still gonna watch it , btw your corvette looks clean and awesome to me 😁

[@Soypaolamusic]

I like these videos like the vlogs, even if there for the algarithum I came for KNOLAGE.

[@Toolace]

1:18 That is literally my exact car lol, stock 2018 Honda Civic EX-T 1.5 Liter Turbo with 180 HP Front Wheel Drive CVT haha

[@Gsr_automotive]

I honestly missed list videos. They taught me so much.

[@vanhasydan4754]

As to spoilers and wings, there are cars that are less stable at upper highway/tollroad speeds or the rear will begin to lift at a given speed. On roof wings, as an example, look at the Shelby Lancer. I owned one and had an incident where the roof wing tore off do to corroded hardware at 140+.

[@Lippertsjungetwitch]

Your vids are a great way to learn while having fun and being entertained

[@aidenyeager5066]

Oh boi he actually might do the cultured Miata

[@asaadallen9622]

Yay Bladed is talking about aerodynamics, finally!

[@Speculativedude]

Thanks for starting with that one. I don't know where people got the idea that just because the wheels are not getting power, that they don't need downforce..... Do you want to go around a corner with your back tires having no traction?

[@maxoberg4642]

Fun fact: wings on cars dont do very much if there isnt some sort of underbody venturi or large diffuser.

[@beanman009]

This is kinda obscure but the Ford escort cosworth has a functional roof spoiler as a coupe

[@noname-lh6vr]

Roof spoilers are nice for sedans and coupes coz rice is nice

[@UnderCrownkings]

Love your channel love from Oakland

[@shadowdraco8660]

I learned more in this video than I did in an entire course of physics. lol😂

[@devandrasimanjuntak1646]

louvers make sense on a car that has a recessed rear window, like the DeLorean, 68-70 Charger, DeTomaso Pantera, etc. Because the louvers actually try to keep the airflow attached to the body rather than have it seperate because of the window. Of course, the best solution is to have a flush rear window in the first place (like what Dodge did with the Charger Daytona) but louvers can help with that without the need of changing the entire glass design.

[@mattyyates2366]

please can you do a video explaining what downforce is and what a wing does

[@pellegrino8911]

Yes please upload more

[@rhettlambert631]

Just to clear up louvers. They are not designed for down force, they are not designed for looks. And they are not pointless. Louvers are actually designed for cooling. Lambos or any mid/rear engine mounted car, are really the only vehicles who benefit from it. They are designed to suck air out of the engine bay (if it is a rear mounted engine). The more air you can take out of the engine bay, allows you to bring more air into the engine, equaling more airflow i.e. better cooling. Imagine a bucket. If it has a hole in the bottom and you fill it up with water, you cannot pump more water into it and then expect for water to flow out the bottom faster. If you increase the hole sized, water will flow faster, and you can pump more water in. Imagine if you could attach a pump to the bottom of the bucket and pump water out of it, as fast as possible. You would then HAVE to supply more water to the bucket and more water then the pump can pump out. Mean faster flow and more water. Louvers are the pump in this analogy. I agree with everything in this video. Unless you have a rear mounted engine, then you cannot use louvers other then for looks. Or if you have a back windshield glass, under the louvers, then louvers are nothing but for looks. Louvers only purpose in a front engine RACE car, is to pump air out of the cabin, meaning cooler cabin temps. So the driver will stay cooler and be saved from the heat of the car. Airplanes also have louvers and cooling vents on the cowlings for the exact same reason. Louvers are cooling vents. Nothing more.

[@cookowa3256]

Since you went to Lanier Motorplex I guess i'll mention downforce in oval racing. On short tracks like Lanier it's absolutely necessary for maximum speeds, look at Outlaw Late Models or modifieds.

[@NH-xu2oo]

i would say that on low speed tracks I would instal a antirollbar and a good set of coilovers to prevent body roll because to me that seems to be the main problem

[@Cuhh346]

Moral of the story; bladed is just a ricer and drewpeacock should roast tf out of him

[@alanknight7912]

Wait for the roof spoiler my buddies STI has a roof spoiler as well as the rally wing. Does that just do less even in a rally scenario? He does rally it occasionally

[@tim1polman]

Spoilers on fwd cars.. vw Corrado, that small active wing reduced rear end lift by 70% at 90kph iirc. Losing grip on the rear wheels of a fwd car is arguably worse than on a rwd car, since you cant really drift eiter. You just slide. Same with a front wing on a rwd car.. for the vw beetle (30-is hp?) you could get a front wing from Kamei. Wich produced 50kg downforce at 100kph. Most beetles drove around with 2 cinderblocks in the front to improve handling. Or they mounted such a spoiler.

[@ethanmeatzie6179]

Louvres: They don't help your aero They don't hurt your aero They're just kinda thaero

[@hafiz582]

even though he hates making this videos , it is a good way to tackle the younger car kids o actually learn genuinely useful topics rather than having some guy tell them that a subaru wrx with 100k miles is a good first car lmao

[@KilosFoxo]

even if wings are less beneficial on fwd cars they still look cool if done correctly and safely

[@Chevsilverado]

Basically, you *generally* don’t need a wing for grip when you’re going straight, you need it for lateral grip when you’re turning. Yes, you keep some power on when you’re in a corner to keep the speed up as well as preventing too much lift off oversteer, but a car needs both front downforce and rear downforce, no matter if it’s FWD, RWD, AWD, front engine or rear engine. I believe that FWD cars actually need rear downforce more than RWD cars as the rear ends of FWD cars are very light under braking and in corners. If a FWD car had a lot of front downforce and no rear downforce it would be over steering a ton around every corner. If a RWD car had a lot of rear downforce and no front downforce it would under steer around every corner. The F/R downforce balance would be different for different drivetrains though. For all types of cars you generally need fairly balanced downforce balance with a little more on the front, and the most amount of downforce possible for that track (ie. enough to be fast enough through the corners that the lack of straight acceleration doesn’t matter and you end up with a lower lap time for that track).

[@daruween1398]

Sometimes you don't need a rocket to be a rocketsientist, just need a car

[@andrijagrigorijev7353]

Thanks for sharing ur knowledge with us blad

[@kadenoberlander2548]

Wow I chose a good time to remember this channel exists, I'll subscribe this time

[@Bananansaft]

Number 2 was my Favorite

[@pindianimations]

I had that spoiler on an FWD misconception not gonna lie, I hated when civics had big WANGS you know.