5 myths about Melbourne busted in 5 minutes!

[@suekaraiskos7104]

Mum taught me all those years ago…King William Queen Elizabeth…. Easy to remember

[@coujo65]

@@suekaraiskos7104 from Spencer street: KING, WILLIAM and QUEEN, ELIZABETH, SWANston around at the bRUSSELLs EXHIBITION in SPRING.

[@martythemartian99]

Interestingly, there is a King William Street in Adelaide.😊

[@tjmfs1981]

​@martythemartian99 except in Melbourne they're 2 different streets

[@diannehogan7605]

Myth #6: Melbourne's traffic is a nightmare. Answer: CONFIRMED!

[@petermcgill1315]

there is no such thing as “peak hour” traffic. It’s just traffic… 7 days a week.

[@beasts4life_99]

I think one of the reasons why tram patronage is low is due to there being few routes in the west and where they all are in the east most people choose to drive despite having excellent tram coverage especially around Malvern with the 5, 6, 16, 58 and 72

[@mathewferstl7042]

It's also very route dependant. Speed, accessibility, walkability (which takes patronage away) and proximity to higher order transportation (trains) all effect patronage. Coverage isn't everything

[@JohnFromAccounting]

Trams in the East do not get priority. We have 4 lane roads, with trams taking 2 lanes, parked cars taking 2 lanes, and drivers using the tram lanes which slows traffic for everyone. We need to abolish parking on these streets and segregate cars from trams so that both modes become faster.

[@74_pelicans]

Trams are ridiculously slow outside of the really inner suburbs. take a tram from Glen Huntly to the city on a train, 20 minutes, take a tram 60 minutes. They are essentially bigger buses. Way to slow and too many stops

[@zakman246]

My personal experience is the 82 is nearly never on time and, as already said, the coverage isn't too good so when the one major route they do have is unreliable, it leaves a lot to be desired.

[@mathewferstl7042]

@@JohnFromAccounting yes, absolutely. Politically impossible though

[@aussietaipan8700]

This is awesome mate. Last March I saw dolphins up the river when on a boat cruise, it is great to see the Yarra is getting more heathy.

[@spacewalktraveller1]

Thanks Philip, I met a guy at a wedding about 20yrs ago and he was an engineer, and he designed the floating rubbish traps along the river. Personally I wouldn't swim in the Yarra. I'm a big theater goer in Melbourne and we have some wonderful old theaters. It would be nice if you could do a story on our lovely old theaters, the Princess Theatre is a real work of art.

[@JohnFromAccounting]

The Yarra is not clean in the city, but upstream in the mountains it's quite clean.

[@australiaprisonisland9156]

The Princess Theatre is a lovely building. It deserves far more recognition.

[@australiaprisonisland9156]

@@JohnFromAccounting What dishwashing liquid do they use upstream. I often clean the dishes. 🤔

[@AlphieLaFray]

as someone who grew up in Western Victoria, there was a heavy emphasis in history class about Portland being Victoria's first settlement.

[@brianmalady1190]

@@AlphieLaFray I think Port fairy was there before Portland.

[@AlphieLaFray]

@@brianmalady1190 from memory, people come past 1800 and named the bay. Whalers were around the bay and port fairy but no township was established. When the crown finally came round to establish a town they came across a squatter farmer township. But history class was 20+ years ago. Portland was chosen for a township cause the bay was better for ships.

[@satyrec0001]

It was at Sorrento just inside the heads but it didn't last to long because of a lack of fresh water

[@thericesquad]

In the 60s it was part of Vic school curriculum to teach about Portland and the Hentys.

[@wallypoffle7796]

Excellent work Philip, as we have become accustomed to look forward to.

[@kiwiguy1975]

Great video Mate. I love the advertising they put on the outside of the trams. That pink one looked really cool.

[@gregbowen617]

Awesome Video Phillip - as A Melburnian, you do us proud...!

[@JeplarAU]

As always, great video!

[@davidnelson7786]

Great video Phillip. Never heard the one about King Street’s name.

[@nedesnikderpherder7529]

It's illegal to swim in the Yarra from Dights Falls into the CDB, and there have been platypus in Merri creek, as close as Northcote, and the Yarra at Yarra bend. Also the Yarra is a single narrow Delta mouth, where as Sydney's rivers enter multiple deep bays, and isn't concentrated in the same manner

[@leonkernan]

The Yarra isn't dirty, it's upside down.

[@NewFalconerRecords]

I always heard people saying that as a joke. Turns out they were right all along!

[@MikeyInThailand]

@@leonkernan Im Melbourne guy currently living in Asia, the Yarra is clean compared to here haha

[@throwaway6478]

I heard some American soldiers bathed in it during WW2, and it's not been the same since.

[@SergeiBoy]

another great video Philip. thank you. And ive subbed to you website

[@philipmallis]

Thank you very much, glad you enjoy them!

[@RPI79]

New Year's Eve 1999/2000, I was walking right past where you are standing in the video. I'd had a bit to drink of course, welcoming in the Year 2000 and walking past a Canadian tourist (I know because he told me during the conversation), I heard him loudly say to his mate 'Why is this river so dirty! Look how brown it is!'. I couldn't help myself, also being a Melbourne history nerd. 'No no, I chimed in. It's not dirty, it's just full of suspended silt and clay from the upper Yarra." He was pleasantly relieved and seemed quite interested. I then proceeded to point to enterprise park, pointing out where the waterfall used to be, John Batman and John Pascoe Fawkner and on and on before my girlfriend at the time dragged me away, lol. We are out there Phillip! The irony is, I moved to Pascoe Vale about 6 years ago and live in what was then the edge of his dairy farm.

[@vsvnrg3263]

according to burkes backyard tv show, the clay around melbourne is very pure and makes good quality bricks. that quality may be why melbourne's river appears to run more upside down than other rivers.

[@SaishsJahshsb-ou9nl]

Federation square didn’t exist when you where drunk in 1999 2000 good years

[@RPI79]

@@SaishsJahshsb-ou9nl That's not federation square. That's down by the pedestrian bridge near Crown, where you come out from underneath the Flinders st station underpass.

[@alexlanning712]

how droll 😁

[@RPI79]

@@alexlanning712 Yes. Rather 🧐

[@gram1608]

I thought I knew Melbourne... I was incorrect. Keep up the great work

[@suekaraiskos7104]

I was catching trams from 8 yrs old on my own. Now in Adelaide for many years. I miss decent tram routes.

[@Preview43]

Same... I used to catch trams on my own at 6 years old from Thornbury to Clifton Hill. Never got bothered. Never had a drama. Different times I guess.

[@martythemartian99]

Yeah, we do need better public transport here in Adelaide. Part of the trouble is every time a Liberal government is voted in, they cancel planned tram projects.😭

[@damonsmith6034]

@@martythemartian99South Australia had had only four years of liberals in the past 22 years at a state government level lol

[@martythemartian99]

@@damonsmith6034 And it's amazing that in that time, they canceled trams to the eastern suburbs and North Adelaide. Prior to the time frame you mentioned, they also canceled the tram to the north east. Oh and they also privatized suburban rail operation.

[@damonsmith6034]

@ lol… I’m not overly political but I’ve seen Labor propose, cancel, propose, cancel, their own projects time and time again. Labor’s Gawler railway extension was originally meant to be done in 2013 looooooool

[@leomat3431]

Thanks again, cool info as always, keep it coming.

[@The_Ubatron]

Great video! Note that the Werribee River to the west is the demarcation between Wurundjeri and Bunurong peoples and Wadawurrung people... That area is still part of metro Melbourne... ☺️🙏🏼

[@lindyg7905]

great content. Melbourne history is my favourite interest and i knew only one of these! Thank you!

[@philmenzies2477]

As a child I remember swimming the upper reaches of the Yarra. And as a retired commercial diver who spent years in the lower Yarra, I can attest to the general cleanliness of the river.

[@JohnFromAccounting]

I've swum in it up at Warburton. It's relatively clean and you can see to the bottom in the shallow bits.

[@longdongjohn6588]

​@@JohnFromAccounting The Yarra is swimmable from and upstream from Warrandyte.

[@Ch-vx3qn]

@@philmenzies2477 As a teenager in the sixties l would go swimming at Yarra bend under the paper mill (the concrete tank/pool on the bank was to small to be fun) I vividly remember the dead fish floating on the water. Way before any one had ever heard the word pollution. Years later and to this day I wonder what APM and then Visy were dumping into the Yarra

[@nedesnikderpherder7529]

@@longdongjohn6588 I've swam at laughing waters several times, it's a great place to cool down in summer if you live in the inner north of Melbourne! Water is very cold though, even in the summer months

[@RaphaelChan888]

As a Melburnian, I found this interesting. Have Liked, and realised this probably came across my feed because I'm already subscribed. (Just a pet peeve I have to express: when presenters say "without further ado...." and then proceed with further ado!)

[@alisonkent3119]

Thank you for this channel. I've definitely subscribed

[@pavementpounder7502]

Not a myth per se, but Melbourne is knoen for being wet, but in terms of average amount its pretty dry: about 630mm vs 1200mm in Sydney. We just get a lot of drizzle.

[@ianmontgomery7534]

It does seem to be getting a little more tropical.

[@Redcouriercat]

@@pavementpounder7502 Melbourne has a lot more rainy days than Sydney

[@andysentertainmentcorner1421]

for those who dont know much about melbourne trams, trams mostly run where trains dont run,for an example 59 runs from Elizabeth street right to airport west shopping centre which goes through parkville where the royal melbourne hospital, children hospital are, north melbourne, ascot value, Flemington, Moonee ponds, essendon and Niddrie, so it takes about 55 min for the trip, i caught this tram many times and how long it takes and yes trains do go through essendon and moonee ponds but on the other side

[@icascone]

Insightful as always!

[@showmemelbourne]

Great to see factual information being shared instead of the same urban myths! Off to have a look at some of your other videos. Hopefully you've got one debunking that Flinders St Station was designed for Mumbai. It really concerns me that so many people think that!

[@slowmanatwork]

Do they estimate tram patronage based on myki touch ons? I imagine the free tram zone could skew that.

[@Backwardseel]

@@slowmanatwork also very few people touch on trams, trains you pretty much have to touch on especially if you want to get out of the city loop stations

[@philipmallis]

It isn't just myki touch on and off rates. DTP have used several different formulas over the years that take into account a number of data sources. These do include touch on rates, but also in-person surveys and in-vehicle passenger counters. There's more detail in the metadata on the DataVic website: discover.data.vic.gov.au/dataset/train-service-passenger-counts

[@MN-pu6qx]

That story about the borders for the traditional owners being set in 2021 was funny.🤣🤣🤣

[@stevemanias1444]

Nice one Phil👌🏽

[@MTAentertainment]

Theres a myth about the train station architectural design getting muddled with a design that was going on in India. India got Melbourne's and Melbourne got India's. Myth apparently.

[@mellowfellow6816]

Ah, so that north/south of the river divide has been around since long before Europeans turned up!

[@C4RV3]

That north/south divide pictured doesn't follow the path of the yarra.

[@latenightlogic]

I stuck around and watched the whole video because of this comment. There was zero mention of it.

[@phillipnoone8044]

Great video 😁

[@AndrewBrown-fq6vp]

Another great video bro

[@margaretcampbell2681]

Thanks Phillip great videos

[@robert-brydson-1]

here's another - Ava Gardner never uttered the notorious 'quote' to the effect that Melbourne was the ideal place for a film about the end of the world. It was fabricated by Sydney journalist Neil Jillett, later an Age film critic, who was asked to write a story for Sydney's Sun-Herald . He explained many years later that he incorporated it into a paragraph at the end of a story out of spite for the film giving Melbourne so much attention.

[@talk2thoran]

This be better known as this story is better than the well known one.

[@divarachelenvy]

good job , may we have more... cheers.

[@findJLF]

Love your channel. Great work

[@JamesScarborough5290]

Those traditional owner maps look about as authentic as a fresh glass of cbd Yarra water… I’d also like to know a bit more about the naming of Elizabeth and Queen streets. Seems unlikely Elizabeth would be named after the 1500s queen, so is it a different Elizabeth? Perhaps that could have been included in the video. King-William-Queen-Elizabeth is basically trolling if not named after actual monarchs.

[@SalvoDan]

‘Popular’ and ‘Common’ are not synonyms. While Tram journeys may not be the most common, the fact that you can make a short trip with no commitment does make them more popular.

[@Wdeane1957]

If the data is from how many passengers touch on with Myki, then it will be skewed in favour of trains. At many stations you have to touch on to open the gates to access platforms. Yet on trams many people don't touch on and aren't included in statistics. If inspectors board the tram they will quickly touch on before the inspectors see them.

[@therealsammyvee888]

Do you have any updates about the Swanston Street tram route reallocations? You said early 2024 in your video, but we're now halfway through the year and the tram routes still haven't changed yet.

[@philipmallis]

Great question! Unfortunately I don't know anything more. My guess is any announcement has been delayed due to the tunnel's opening being postponed: www.premier.vic.gov.au/metro-tunnel-testing-enters-new-phase-get-ready-2025

[@therealsammyvee888]

​@@philipmallisOh, I didn't realise the opening of the tunnel had been pushed back. That might make sense as to why we haven't seen any changes to trams yet. Thanks.

[@Ryzi03]

On point 4, I'm barely 5km from the CBD and the only tram route nearby is the 82 which is fairly useless for my needs apart from maybe going to Highpoint once in a blue moon. I'm studying at Melbourne Uni at the moment and even then, 9 times out of 10 I much prefer to take a nicer stroll up Swanston St from Melbourne Central rather than trying to squeeze onto a packed tram just to travel a few stops. Quite often I'll beat the tram up to the uni on leg anyway, especially if the next tram is still a few minutes away once I get off the train at Melbourne Central

[@crunchysteve]

As one who adopted Melbourne as my home and loves this city (Tassy was always too small and small minded for me, as beautifal as it's wilderness is), I can't get enough of the truths about Melbourne/Naam. For example, since moving here in 2009 I've seen more and just as beautiful wilderness in Victoria than I could ever see in Tassy because I don't drive, I cycle. Trains have got me to so many beautiful places in Victoria, even the urban train network! (The Dandenongs, Lilydale/Warburton Rail Trail, the Great Ocean Road) just to name 3. I like to call Melbourne "the Paris of the South Seas."

[@KurtBryant95]

I'd argue the water is suitable for swimming as far downstream as Fairfield (Deep Rock Swimming Hole). Anywhere downstream of around Abbotsford is illegal due to it being a boat channel, not because it's unsafe.

[@graphite2786]

If the tram data is based on Myki touch ons, i can confidently report that the amount of people touching on ( especially the 86) is virtually zero during peak times. Ticket inspectors ignore trams that are packec and the commuters know it.

[@wildwombat]

I think you nailed our 86 👌

[@philipmallis]

DTP have used several different formulas over the years that use a number of data sources to measure patronage. These do include touch on rates, but also in-person surveys and in-vehicle passenger counters. There's more detail in the metadata on the DataVic website: discover.data.vic.gov.au/dataset/train-service-passenger-counts

[@timothyjohns3561]

A Melbourne Myths video that DIDN'T mention the weather... what the actual :D FUN FACT: Melbourne has around half the total annual rainfall and number of rain days compared to Sydney & Brisbane. But somehow, it's Melbourne with the mythological reputation for "bad weather".

[@JohnFromAccounting]

Melbourne has an average of 135 precipitation days compared to Sydney's 95. However, Sydney has more than twice the rainfall. Melbourne's reputation for bad weather is due to the unpredictable changes that happen. When Sydney rains, it rains consistently. Melbourne's rain can come even when the sky looks blue. It might be 5 minutes of rain. It might be 5 hours of rain.

[@Ryzi03]

The difference is that most of the other cities tend to get their rain in shorter, more intense bursts whereas ours is usually relatively light but more sustained. As an example, in 56 years of data Melbourne averaged 48.6 clear days and 179.4 cloudy days annually compared to Sydney averaging 103.9 clear days and 133.2 cloudy days annually over the same 56 year period. I wouldn't say we have the worst weather but the grey, overcast, showery skies and the cold antarctic winds through our winters certainly leave a fair bit to be desired

[@AshleyReynolds-vc6ly]

Bad weather is not limited to rain. Melbourne is cold. Even in summer Melbourne has cold days. Melbourne weather sucks.

[@MikeyInThailand]

@@AshleyReynolds-vc6lyyes once it rains the temperature drops to low teens, even in summer 😂

[@barnowl.]

@@Ryzi03 I loathe humidity and heat. I enjoy how Melbourne's weather changes. Sydney has torrential downpours. To me Queensland is (with my take on the advertisement quote), "Beautiful one day, BORING the next!" I love that after a few really hot days in Melbourne a cool change comes in.

[@justmemimi7338]

What a relief! I watched this trepidatiously, concerned that you were going to say we don’t have the best coffee in the world.😅

[@RGC198]

Hi Philip, thanks for the interesting video. I wasn't aware that Portland had the first European settlement. I was actually thinking it was Geelong. So, I have certainly learnt something here. Trams in Victoria may have had a higher percentage of use back in the 1950s, before Geelong, Ballarat and Bendigo all closed their tram systems. Anyway, wishing you the very best. Rob.

[@philipmallis]

Thanks very much, glad to hear it!

[@DC-Aust]

Another interesting video, Thanks mate.

[@858493]

Thanks for sharing always enjoy your info about my home town and our State...wondering at some point could you do a video on the Altona Underground Coal Mine l can remember working at Westona Station years ago and behind the shops there near the gas line was a plaque talking about the Coal Mine l never even knew existed and still don't know much about ...again thanks regards Doc..allways enjoy your channel.

[@borisbash]

Great stuff. Thankyou for this.

[@vernongrant3596]

Was the convict settlement in Sorento where William Buckley escaped from?

[@openmodalguitar61]

Correct

[@SYNTH_M4N]

nice and concise, appreciate that

[@talk2thoran]

I've swum in the Yarra at various points. The dodgiest spot was adjacent to the paper mill at Fairfield, which had some kind of outflows into the river. Presumably it is now mostly storm water run off that would cause any pollution as most manufacturing has gone?

[@megbond]

Yep. The APM mill closed in 2012. It's all apartments and shops around there now.

[@648Roland]

Used to know my way around Melbourne but that was over 40 years ago. Was lost more less within a couple of minutes when buses replaced trains the day I had to see the neuro-surgeon 3 years ago. Living and mostly loving a 2 traffic-light town suits me far more.

[@harryroberts2657]

Omeo still exists! And did 3 years before Melbourne. It's in Victoria too! H

[@philipmallis]

Thanks for this, do you have any information or sources where I can look into this? I haven't been able to find any, other than references to the first European in the area in 1834.

[@robert-brydson-1]

Annual rainfall for AUS cities = Darwin 1723.1 mm Sydney 1213.4 mm Brisbane 1148.8 mm Perth 730.9 mm Melbourne 648.3 mm Canberra 615.4 mm Hobart 612.2 mm Adelaide 526.7 mm

[@iqnill]

“Melbourne has the best coffee in the world”😂 On trams - the tram stop on Hawthorn Rd. at Nepean Hwy. is the southmost tram stop in the world. The patronage of trams would increase if there were lines connecting the suburbs across the existing lines, but it would seem we are not clever enough to realise it. Yarra - the last bucket of shit disposed into the river was in 1981… let that sink in… and the “legal point of discharge” was on the bridge over Johnston St. a very clever idea to dump the shit in before the river hits the city…

[@jesus_built_my_hotrod]

Get on a tram anywhere near Bourke St mall and you'll see how packed the trams can be 😅

[@volvor730]

I Lived in East Kew [Burke Road] in the 60's and 70's and used to swim in the the Yarra where old Burke Road went over the river, never got crook. Must of been the medicine I took, Melbourne Bitter. Back then the saying was to thick to swim in, too thin to plough.

[@iamthinking2252_]

Thanks for the Number 1 one! Truely a TIL. The others still count as not many would know! There was a neat article about drawing the wurundjeri boundary when Melbourne has built all over it. First Nations progress in time

[@PeterSmith-h4j]

Thanks Philip, great work mate. we live in the best city in the world Cheers. 👍

[@SnoopReddogg]

I thought it was King, William and Queen, Elizabeth Streets... well, I'll be.

[@brettcoster4781]

That's the order of the streets. But Queen St is named for Queen Adelaide (thankfully we don't have an Adelaide St), and Elizabeth St is named for Governor Bourke's wife, Elizabeth. Governor Bourke of course has a street named fpr him that intersects Elizabeth Street, but clean thoughts only.

[@robertmilo5203]

Queen is named after Queen Adelaide of Saxe-Meiningen. Elizabeth Street is presumed to have been named in honour of governor Richard Bourke's wife. There was no 'Queen Elizabeth' in 1837 when the streets were laid out. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Elizabeth

[@hammertoolz]

The Yarra looks cleaner the further up you go but it's often high in leaks from old septic tanks up around Yarra Glen, the EPA has it marked and don't swim today

[@darylcheshire1618]

The Yarra is naturally muddy and it has been said it flows upside down. Presumably the mud stays in the upper part of the water.

[@VelvetRiot-hz5mp]

Geelong was going to be the capital of the Victoria colony but the Melbourne real estate clowns altered the maps to make it appear that Melbourne was closer to the gold fields. We could have had a capital better than Sydney.

[@ianmontgomery7534]

Popular means "widely liked or appreciated not most used". I appreciate them and use them when I go to the CBD but I use trains and buses in Dandenong where I live.

[@kippen64]

Went on a tram earlier this year and it was standing room only. It seems to me that some tram routes are more popular than others.

[@FallOfTheLiving]

Very curious about how vicotrian passenger data is collected especially with the FTZ. I have not seen counters other than myki readers on the system

[@philipmallis]

Sure! It isn't just myki touch on and off rates. DTP have used several different formulas over the years that take into account a number of data sources. These do include touch on rates, but also in-person surveys and in-vehicle passenger counters. There's more detail in the metadata on the DataVic website: discover.data.vic.gov.au/dataset/train-service-passenger-counts

[@FCS7]

The Yarra is clean, just best not to drink from it, touch it or look at it.

[@Fortnite87463]

Its clean besides the trash floating in it

[@FCS7]

@ I told you not to look at it!

[@pavementpounder7502]

Port Phillip Bay was not, in fact, named after Phillip Mallis!

[@philipmallis]

Too many Ls for one...

[@pavementpounder7502]

@philipmallis ah you got me Phil!

[@b0nesyy]

god i love this city so much

[@jenniferdawson5738]

Hi Phillip... love your videos but the web address won't connect ...Desperratly want to talk to you about Fitzroy Town Hall....Can you please conntact me....Jenn. And yes the Yarra is upsidedown....

[@philipmallis]

Hi! The 'Get in Touch' form at the bottom of this webpage should work here: philipmallis.com/about/

[@Osssssss666]

And jack the rippers last address was in northcote

[@Horizontalvertigo]

I fell in to the Yarra once. Mind you it was at Yarra Junction so the water was much nicer. Cold tho

[@philrichards6307]

G'day Philip There is a King Willian St. in Fitzroy. And what of the history of Gertrude St. You have inspired me

[@philipmallis]

Good idea, thank you! I'll add that topic to the list

[@robert-brydson-1]

FUN FACT: Sydney's driest month is still WETTER than Melbourne's wettest

[@chrisk283]

Another myth - that this is a 5 minute video when it’s 6:15. So meta. 😂

[@felixccorcoran]

With the train vs tram patronage, it will be skewed further by the fact people are more likely to avoid touching on on trams

[@noelleggett5368]

Does that mean Queen St in Brisbane is named after its first premier, Robert Herbert?

[@blackburneflw]

Williamstown was to be the first European ‘settlement’ until some bright spark piped up ‘What do we do for water?’ so they went up the Yarra a bit until it wasn’t salty.

[@vsvnrg3263]

so which former colonial governor was queen street named after? i dont dispute how dirty the yarra was but i would like it known that there were water rats living on the yarra bank across the road from flinders street station in the late 60's. our nana took us across the river to see them when our next train wasnt due for a while.

[@vsvnrg3263]

i just found a post that said queen street was named after queen adelaide. so i have an answer.

[@TheManuel012009]

myth number 1 it’s not cheap public transport but in a way when you see the new underground stations wowsers.

[@jack2453]

Interesting piece about the Yarra - but you left out the age-old Sydney joke.. The Yarra is the only river where the bottom floats on the top. And to be fair I don't think Sydney jokes about the Yarra have ever been about it being polluted - just muddy.

[@denisegore1884]

The upside down river: the mud is at the top.

[@kevinfoo8031]

@@denisegore1884 Afterall, we are 'down under'.

[@GaryNoone-jz3mq]

@jack2453 The problem you have there is that it was a stolen joke. This joke was actually about the Mississippi river and, upon hearing it, Sydneysiders decided to apply it to the Yarra.

[@footrotdog]

Here's a question that I've always wondered. Do you think that the Doncaster and Rowville train lines would have been built if money hadn't been diverted into maintaining and expanding the tram network?

[@ht8286]

Rowville and Doncaster could easily be serviced by Trams

[@JohnFromAccounting]

I don't think any of those major tram lines were getting built in the post-war period due to the government's obsession with forcing everyone into cars.

[@ht8286]

@@JohnFromAccounting Wellington road should be a tram route at very least...with Burwood hwy tram extending to Ferntree Gully... Doncaster Tram should be extension of Balwyn North tram. All very simple

[@AshleyReynolds-vc6ly]

The money was spent on roads and freeways. And every time a road or feeway was built it attracted more cars, so more roads and freeways were built. That is why today we don't have enough tram and train lines but we have loads of traffic congestion.

[@philipmallis]

In short, both projects were forestalled by money being diverted into freeway projects from the 1969 Plan (and, later, the City Loop). Some 'future proofing' construction was even started for the Doncaster Line at Victoria Park when the first section of the Eastern Freeway was built but was filled in later and not continued. There was hardly any expansion of the tram network in the same period.

[@benwarnock]

Cool channel

[@sforbesgocka]

Are they using pt tatistics from myki tal ons??

[@philipmallis]

The VISTA data is taken from a representative sample of Victorians, there's more information on how the data is collected here: www.vic.gov.au/victorian-integrated-survey-travel-and-activity

[@bigred8438]

Thanks Phillip.

[@mjb7015]

Going from the cbt to the northern suburbs and back, my tram is always busy.

[@stevelawrie9115]

Melbourne is a great city

[@michaelteasdale2919]

I’ve heard many time the Yarra is that color from farming irrigation!?!

[@hazptmedia]

As a former Portland resident, I approve

[@GizmoGTI]

does the melbourne metro (ptv) hold the title as being the noisiest metropolitan train network in the world in terms of the amount of routine horn usage?

[@gandfgandf5826]

I remember when they became louder maybe 15 years ago. Protests were met with "international guidelines were followed" subtext 'shut up plebs'. It's ear splitting if you are walking next to the train line. I guess it keeps the livestock (us) away from the train line. 🤷

[@philipmallis]

Taitset has a video on this topic: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a4queGl7lKmfrdU

[@GizmoGTI]

@@philipmallis so not a myth, we are the world's noisiest - ptv and the vicgov are pathetic and treat residence as second class citizens, no myth about that

[@openmodalguitar61]

No mention of the Corinella military settlement of 1826? British were worried that the French might want that southern Australian coast they had already explored, set up a military outpost with convicts for extra labour. It lasted a couple of years then when the French threat ended Sydney in its wisdom decided to vacate, despite advice that they might as well set up some administrative presence because settlement would happen regardless There were sealers with Aboriginal women on Churchill island who assisted the fledgling settlement with food and boats. There was some contact with the local Boonwurrung people, nothing bad happened on that front it seems at least There are some plaques and markers around, the settlement spread from the headquarters at modern day Corinella through Coronet Bay and past Cobb's Buff near the mouth of the Bass River where there was a camp for collecting lime The 5 VDL Aboriginal people charged with murdering the whalers at Cape Paterson were captured after a long and dramatic pursuit near the ruins of the old settlement. Escaped convicts used the old settlement as a hideout apparently as well. When the settlement was abandoned they left cattle behind, a white bull was known to have survived for some time Anyway, if Napoleon had sailed into Westernport Bay and tried to invade they had the cannons ready. If you are wondering where they got the fresh water from it was Guy's Creek which from description had a reasonable flow of water, now it is a trickling drain through some paddocks. The settlement gave the opportunity for some proper exploration, a lot of potential agricultural land and fresh water was identified as well as barriers like the Koo Wee Rup Swamp etc. All this hastened the pressure to open up this part of the country for settlement, but Sydney did not want the administrative bother There are a couple of books about it and local historians around the Westernport area know a bit about it. Good subject for a video perhaps

[@philipmallis]

Thank you very much for that information, I had no idea! Definitely sounds like a very interesting topic to explore.

[@ziggy4533]

I'll tell you one cool fact. The bridge in the back ground at the start was in the first ghost rider film

[@thelastaustralian7583]

A generational misconception .It hasn't been Melbourne for Decades.

[@ardistrybosch204]

pls do a myth bust on Melbournes bad weather... Sydney gets more severe weather and has DOUBLE the rainfall of Melbourne, I don't get why Melbourne has such a bad reputation for weather

[@herbnalis3723]

MELBOURNE is the only AUSTRALIAN Capital City that was unofficially founded.

[@jamesfahey4508]

I think trams would be more popular if they didn't operate in slow motion within the CDB and down St Kilda Road.

[@user-kk4zw5jo4t]

Hey don't forget about the Wuddawarung! (In a tiny corner in the SW at least 😂)

[@philipmallis]

True! I probably should have at least mentioned that. It was on the periphery of contiguous urban Melbourne so I missed it - next time I'll be sure to include it.