5 reasons your team WIPED! - Warhammer 40k Darktide

[@Zerkovich]

Crowd Control... not Crown. Sigh...

[@definitelynotadam]

5:45 - Long ranging AKA Gunner Overwatch... a vet with a lasgun (of any kind) with Counterfire...you are welcome. If you set up well, you can clear a whole room from all trash range mobs and even some elites in ONE volley fire use. It is a must if you want an easy run. Also a controversial opinion, you don't need BOSS kiilling role. Monsters in Draktide are pi...easy. Ramged trash mobs do more damage to you than the plague ogre. What you geenerally need is COMMUNICATION. If you can afford $2k PC, you can afford a microphone. Use the ingame VOIP. A massive advantage most people do not take advantage of.

[@1989Bats]

From now on it shall be known as Crown Control!

[@dr_cachetes6822]

A dude that cant control his crown... cant control the crowd.

[@nikajo__8755]

I keep trying to control the crown but unfortunately my plans keep failing! Haha 😂 I love a good typo

[@BlackyMox]

HERESY! The Crown belongs to the one and only!

[@Fernando-cs9fp]

If you're playing Ogryn you should instantly prioritize reviving over anything else when you hear a teammate go down, you're the only one who can't be staggered while picking someone up and you need to realize how strong this is

[@seriousdraw]

I do this. What annoys me is when I push a horde over, but a sudden human teammate has appeared, reviving the person. I get it, but let me do that! I won’t get interrupted! Just kill the trash that’s shooting me, please!

[@orochifire]

@@seriousdraw It's called teamwork. You don't get good boy points for the revive, if they can do it after you clear the area, let them.

[@superstar5042]

But you can be staggered as ogryn. Ogryn just can take dmg while reviving, but it still can get canceled if someone big pushes you

[@Fernando-cs9fp]

@@superstar5042 yeh but how often does that happen.

[@lechking941]

ya hell it even says they are as a passive harder to stager *i suspect muties and hounds can still do em in* when reviving.

[@RoulicisThe]

With my mates we have a rule, made in Vermintide 1 : "you either go in pair or all at once, but nobody goes anywhere alone" Having someone to cover your back when searching for equipement in dark corridors avoided us A LOT of predictable deaths and it's still valid in Darktide ^^

[@climax050]

Good rule, my team and I prefer to spread a little more, because there’s some absolutely giant rooms, so we can out like a search party would, in a line and all pick path, which all converge on one another eventually anyway, makes searching for things easy, while still allowing for support. The only thing is that your team needs to have the common sense of not trying to take down a bunch of enemies that are blocking their path and wait for backup first. There’s also a risk of turning a corner into a bad situation, but I trust that if that happens my squad can save themselves until help arrives. It’s all a gamble in this game and you need to choose what odds you want to play.

[@Valyn]

If the group splits up, always go with the guy who is alone. That said, if one guy is obviously an idiot and just not working with the team, let him go for alone.

[@IVI4R1U5]

Some Wutelgi might need to learn this still...

[@WTTuck]

Battle Buddies!

[@sebastiansatorius3242]

Sounds like a pro tip in a horror movie 😀

[@averies7096]

cool tip is that the medkits can heal someone while theyre down, so if you need to revive in a crowd thats absolutely destroying a downed dude you can keep them alive for much longer

[@ddd09ish1]

this is a legit run saver. if you have a medkit near a downed person and you are surrounded, drop it down immediately

[@rathenn6959]

Aye I regularly dump health pack as I begin the revive. Helps that I play Ogryn a bunch, so can tank some hits due to it too

[@FirstLast-wk3kc]

That is amazing, didn't try

[@cyanide7270]

Ah yes but you see, there is a MASSIVE flaw with that. Know what that is? People need to be checking crates and actually PICKING UP medkits. This is something that REALLY bloody irks me, people just run past crates and dont bother cehcking them, and even when someone does, they then also leave the ammo boxes and medkits. Legit hate those players. HATE. If friendly fire was a thing, theyd be getting downed, IDGAF.

[@FirstLast-wk3kc]

@@cyanide7270 dude, there is no flaw with DOING IT YOURSELF. And you can always abuse voice and normal chat. I half the time make people loot by myself, and the situation doesn't annoy me that much, cause I PREVENT IT. Also makes me feel even more heroic when i know that i am not only the one who revives everyone the most, but also keep the looting in check, trying to help us all the time in each possible way. Got downed? Geez, i m gonna ping the fück out of any elite or special who can ruin the game, like snipers far away, bombers, hounds and etc. I advise u to try to use pings like "look there" "come here" and non-verbal communication of, for example , swinging weapon at the one u want to do something and pinging there. (If chat is not comfy or else) Also "thanks" ping after they do it helps by making them far more chance to be compliant later and etc. Anyway, sorry for so much text and Goodluck.

[@SinerAthin]

From my own observation, one of the most common cause for wipes can also be on scanning missions where everyone is given an Auspex Scanner and told to scan things. One of the common things that tend to happen is that everyone immediately runs off in their own direction like they're playing some sort of Grim Dark version of Pokemon Go with their little scanners, immediately splitting the party. Which to no one's surprise ends up with people being picked up and overwhelmed by the spawning horde, Tok the Ogryn too busy to scan a trash bin to help Joe Veteran 4 blocks over who's getting mauled by a pox hound and horde of specials/walkers.

[@wainmundt8062]

as a orgyen main, I tend to follow who I deam the weakest link of the team at this point do to every one doing this.

[@ring3651]

@@wainmundt8062 and if you are the weakest link?

[@SleepingsGaming]

@@ring3651 Ogryn can’t be weak. Cuz a ogryn have to be strong to protect. At least that’s what sis said. N sis don’t lie.

[@jblps]

@@ring3651 goodbye

[@WarPigz0]

I've started waiting for just a moment to see who whips the scanner out. If someone does I then follow them as the body guard.... I rarely get protection if I pull out the scanner.

[@PainkRd]

That feeling when you're a lightning staff psyker, you save your teammate from the Mutant, and he just run away and leave you alone against that mutant =(

[@ZzVinniezZ]

isn't surge staff can stun lock Mutant?? cuz i rarely got pinned by Mutant as a Psyker as long as i ready my surge staffs

[@PainkRd]

@@ZzVinniezZ it can, but surge staff barely does any damage to mutant, so you need something else to reliably kill mutant

[@RKroese]

Dodge force Sword charged power swing it to death ☠️

[@BlackyMox]

I was about to comment something similar... thx

[@MrNicster]

This! Protect your squishies.

[@libertylemonz7145]

Okay but I've seen more runs lost because people blindly tried to help revive than I have because people were cautious about revives. If there's 4 ragers and a crusher on you, you're on your own until I can kill some of that off

[@caesar_s7343]

Kind of hard to build team synergy since currently you can't really form a party before entering a mission unless you organise a private match with friends. You also can't see what weapons/talents they're using (besides melee) in the pre-game screen. Darktide needs the system from VT2 where you could open a lobby in the Taal's Horn Keep and people could join before the mission started, that way you can discuss your teams composition and weapons.

[@almostontimehero5415]

That problem of people not using the right weapons for their class will fix itself over time as DLC adds over powered weapons. They want to sell you DLC, you want to buy DLC and the fastest way is cool unique powerful weapons. Power Creep will happen in Darktide, believe it.

[@_NutcasE_]

the game has pre-game lobby, You just rarely end up there because you mostly join in-progress missions. But if you by chance end up being the player to start the mission you will end up in 60 second pre-game lobby where you can discuss strats. If you get all 4 members in during that period. but yes still a downgrade from VT2. But thats what you get when you have random mission generator chosing difficulities and modifiers for you. Might take a long time before the game has a lobby creator.

[@leonardorossi998]

@@_NutcasE_ 60 seconds is not a lot. Especially since some classes cannot really cover all the roles. I don't own the game yet, but I saw Damnation streams. Sometimes you might get comps like 3 Ogryns and one Psyker. That Psyker is going to feel very safe. But if you have the bad luck of encountering a beast of Nurgle... it's gonna take a *while*, at least from what I've seen.

[@_NutcasE_]

@@leonardorossi998 Well taking to consideration that most players will only play 1 character because to be honest the Reputation levels are a bother to level up for every class since there is nothing unique about them. Every character has the same campaign and same dialogue....Because your character barely talks at all in these cutscenes. Damnation is doable with all wild combinations and it aint really that tough on damnation. You just need to have proper teamplay. And Psyker can deal alot of damage on shit. you are going to mostly need team cohesion. Play together stick together, watch eachothers backs. Which is surprisingly uncommon as there are alot of people who think they are hot shit and can solo hordes and specials. and while you can, it only takes one slip-up and you are now stuck far away from your team and now they are at a disadvantage and you are behind a horde who do massive damage on Damnation. The game missions are not designed for having 1 of each class. You can easily complete all difficulities and missions with 4 Zealots, 4 Veterans, 4 Ogryns and 4 Psykers. Fatshark really played it safe with the whole "create your character" angle vs Vermintide where you had 5 characters with 4 sub-classes delivering specific roles. ofc its ideal to have one of each but you aint exactly gonna be struggling with whacky combos like 3 vets 1 zealot or 2 ogryns 2 Psykers. Everyone just needs to be aware of the teams strenghts and weaknesses. and not trying to be Sly Marbo.

[@shoulderpyro]

You can form parties before going in by, you know. Talking in the Mourningstar's channel and asking if people want to join. So you can coordinate and do everything you want to do there. The only difference between Taal's Horn and the Mourningstar is that the latter has 10-15 people running around rather than just you and 3 others

[@shadowjezzter]

I am so happy vermantide has taught me so many lessons with specials. Eg, dogs, shove em, mutant? Side step, rager? Dont get in melee. Learning what each special, and elite are weak to also helps massively. Just dont get overconfident and stick with the team though, even if u can deal with pinners.

[@midnightMoonlight09]

i will say it has betrayed me a little bit though. i keep going into gutter runner mode for dogs and thinking i can dodge far enough over and *then* shove, only to get nom'd by step 0 in that plan, lol

[@shadowjezzter]

@@midnightMoonlight09 i find just shoving them works, i was able to take two at a time as my team watched in amazement. They could of at least shot em…

[@C4MG1RL]

"Why your runs fail" I know exactly why. Usually it's that somebody didn't take the hint from the demonhost callout and everyone going around through some obscure path so now we have that and the regular enemies.

[@mpspc4bristol]

Have you ever considered....letting them lay in their own bed they made and just rescuing them later?

[@C4MG1RL]

@@mpspc4bristol being down two people on heresy can be the nail in the coffin. Malice or lower then yea, easy. Heresy or damnation and that usually kills the run

[@theravenousrabbit3671]

Reviving should happen within 1-5 seconds. Because if you are staying together, that is realistic.

[@Retrosicotte]

The team splitting up I see so much from people just going "GO GO GO RUSH RUSH RUSH NEVER STOP SPRINTING GET IT DONE, NEVER STOP, NEVER LOOK AROUND, RUN RUN omg why am I dead noob team". Slow down. Move tactically. Explore. If all you care about is the grind and want to speedrun it, maybe take a rethink. Enjoy the game, take your time. Also, if someone is covering your back, TELL THEM WHEN YOU MOVE. I've lost count of the times I've been busy covering everyone and they just ran off and LEFT ME.

[@Mastro-Forno]

i agree but most of the time it's not really a choice since the rest of your squad run like madman

[@spamhere1123]

This. I blame this partially on some of the awful penances the game has, but most of the blame lies with those twats who think they can force their goals on a pub team. BTW, if you get one of these players who's just going to bolt to the finish line and leave you behind, and no amount of communicating or negotiating is getting to them, VOTE KICK THEM FROM THE TEAM. A BOT is better than that guy, because bots at least will try and revive you. Your whole team does not deserve to have their time wasted by one guy selfishly throwing the match for their own ends without getting any sort of prior agreement.

[@Gohbbugohkyubbu0036]

I got a buddy he play veteran as a zealot priest and die easily is annoying lol

[@Mastro-Forno]

@@spamhere1123 i was not aware that vote kick was even a ting to be honest

[@spamhere1123]

@@Mastro-Forno Well now you know. Again, yet another important mechanic people aren't aware of.

[@nikajo__8755]

The revival thing is annoying but sometimes there’s just too many enemies to block all the hits and you have to crowd control or do some clearance before starting the revival. Otherwise you end up in an endless loop of having your health chipped away while failing to get them up. Tricky one to manage sometimes. But yeah some people are straight up terrible at this

[@KnightNave]

solution = Ogyrn. Problem solved

[@nikajo__8755]

@@KnightNave agreed, they are very good for this task. Kind of a issue when you’re the only ogryn on the team and they make no effort to get you up after a trapper though 😅 literally lost a match like that once

[@buntamara5491]

@@nikajo__8755 I lost a match like that too, one guy got downed far away from everyone and thus we couldn't get them in time, then another one runs off, I stick with the last person, both of us get trapped in a trappers net AT THE SAME TIME, I hate trappers, and the last guy guy alive that ran off, just didn't notice and didn't bother to come until he got over-run... all alone, lmao. despite both of us pinging location/using chat etc

[@yurei8368]

Did not actually know you automatically block while reviving people. Figured you HAD to clear the body or you'd be joining the body. Good information to have.

[@UnknownSquid]

Just be mindful of your stamina when trying it. If you sprint to the revive and start with low/zero stamina, then yeah, you'll be joining them. Also weapon choice and which you have equipped matters, an Ogryn with a shield can tank for days, but a Psyker with a duelling sword, will last about two hits. ( A novel super niche build - A Psyker with that Kinetic Deflection perk and a Deflector Blessed Force Sword, can tank a _Daemon Host_ plus ranged enemies whilst reviving. Not that you should actually be trying to revive whilst fending off a Daemon host locked onto you.)

[@btkeller93]

Thanks for that revival tip. I saw that teammates weren't being damaged while reviving before but I didn't really understand how that worked, like if it was a feat or perk or something, so I am one of those who always made it safe around them first.

[@OffToBattle]

My usual battle buddy told me yesterday that a lot of Ogryn players will stagger or Bull Rush stagger and then move on, leaving mobs alive and not confirming kills. I might make my own video about that at some point, but I don't have your reach. Thanks for helping spread the good word. When I play Ogryn, I try to finish what I started whenever possible.

[@lavrentivs9891]

Well you can't really stop to kill each and every one of them during the Bull Rush. But when I see a teammember do a Bull Rush, if I'm near them I tend to take the opportunity to finish them off before they're on their feet again.

[@jecsquire9508]

As a guard player if I'm not engaged or busy doing my primary job of specialist/gunner hunting I'll follow behind the ogryn with a lit power sword if I'm close, or slam a couple of rounds into the bodies he leaves in his wake to clean up, gotta watch the big man's back so he can protect your front :)

[@OffToBattle]

@@lavrentivs9891 Mmm. What I've done is bull rush and then turn back and help and get back into coherency... with one LARGE exception: clumps of ranged enemies I need to force into melee.

[@OffToBattle]

@@jecsquire9508 That's exactly what I do when playing non-Ogryn, which I've done a lot. Still, the Ogryn players can help others help them. I've seen how good it gets when you watch each others' backs.

[@chrisbingley]

The greatest benefit of the ogryn is their size. They make easy rallying points for the team. Just stay near the team that's towering about the enemies.

[@UnknownSquid]

That's so long as they recognise their role is to be a wall that methodically pushes, not a whimsical giant pinball that bounces all over the place leaving briefly staggered enemies scattered all around to slap the psykers and veterans in the back. But yeah, a good Ogryn makes a great centre point for a team.

[@blackdogsniper]

Just an FYI if you didn't know. The whole rival thing didn't work too well till sometime after release. A single enemy shot and often times a hit would knock you off of the target and get you both hurt/killed. Even with the ogryn with the ability to ignore being hit in favor of reviving only worked half the time and for a while simply did not work when picking up someone when they went off a ledge. To be fair it seems mostly fixed now but in later difficulties with the number of gunners or gun wielding types... good luck getting them up.

[@matthewrobinson3410]

My biggest issue is people not throwing down the ammo or med packs. Too many people seem to want to carry them all the way to the extraction point

[@bang1054]

I've had runs end with a guy holding a medpack, and teammates who are super unaware, that they place a 2nd medpack down, LIKE 2 FEET NEXT TO THE ONE THA WAS ALREDAY PLACED. lmao it is funny tho

[@lhellhammer]

My favorite is the people who grab the medpack and don't know where heal stations are and drop it on the lift on the way to the heal station

[@epyjacek]

​@@bang1054yeah I see everyone playing with super wide FOV, but they seems to miss basic things regardless. What is worse is when you ping your ammo crate so your team resupplies and one dude never even looks in the general direction. Even when the rest of the team is resupplying. Just weird haha

[@mikabakker1]

just ask in chat tbh. most ppl will comply

[@bfranciscop]

A psyker wielding a Force Sword with the Deflection blessing (can block ranged attacks), and the Kinetic Deflection feat (Blocking attacks gives you peril instead of costing stamina) allows the psyker to actually safely revive team mates while under enemy fire. You'll still get staggered out of the revive if you reach 97% peril and then run out of stamina... but the beating you can sustain while still reviving successfully is pretty damn impressive.

[@user-ne4ld3jp6i]

People not sticking together has ended my runs on frickin Uprising difficulty, definitely the fastest way to lose a run

[@xDjembex]

#1: Your party wasn't 4 Ogryns. #2: Your Zealot is convinced they can solo the entire mission. #3: Your Psyker forgot they have weapons. #4: You have at least one Veteran in your party.

[@cyanide7270]

Usually as the Veteran in the group, im the last one up, and am the one killing most of the specials and especially elites. If having a vet is a reason youre losing (outside of shitposting) then youve just had REALLY SHIT veteran players.

[@xDjembex]

@@cyanide7270 don't take it personally. Im just playin around. Veterans shred.

[@skupipup]

#2 ...and they're probably right.

[@xDjembex]

@@skupipup lol they never seem to be on my runs.

[@lavrentivs9891]

@@xDjembex Best game I've had so far were 4 random zealots, who swiftly and methodically carved a bloody (and holy) path through the entire map, beginning to end, everyone cooperating, finishing the secondary objectives and having each other's backs the whole time. I guess I got lucky and got those competent zealots that you're missing out on, on my mission ;)

[@gunigougou4505]

Top tip. Don’t be a hero. There are times where you’ll need to carry a squad, but being a show off and getting trapped by a poxhound in the middle of a horde can spell disaster for your team trying to save you.

[@ddd09ish1]

To supplement the 1st point about revives,, Veterans and zealots Should make a habit of saving their last grenade in case someone goes down A well timed grenade trivializes revives

[@mwnciboo]

With the Bleed Trait that makes Grenades damage over time...

[@OffToBattle]

I agree with this. As Psyker, without an ideal build for crowd control, I was using my 'F' ability to salvage situations and avoid team wipes. ...And in a few cases, that's exactly how it worked out.

[@nonottim]

Great info. I'd like to add: I think before players want to jump into higher difficulties they should practice minimizing their damage taken throughout a run. Regardless of team comp/loadouts just minimizing your overall damage taken increases the likelihood of success. Obviously everyone gets hit, however, players need to learn how to corral a horde, kite bosses and elites, weave dodges in melee combat and be patient when pushing forward into enemy shooters/gunners. Learning how to fight defensively is so important because if you can look after yourself and manage your own health it just frees you up to help your teammates and vice versa. And then all the teamwork and loadouts come into play and everyone will have a great time lmao.

[@TurboNuggetz]

The people i hate the most are the ones that just leaves the team and speedruns the mission not looking for any resources, mats or books and not helping deal with hordes.

[@BlackyMox]

Aye. Once my team split in 2x2 - One guy rushed forward, left his mate with some trashmobs. I rushed back to save my mate from a trapper, freed him but got trapped by 2 Zerkers, we struggled and i got downed. I wrote that the one guy needs stop rushing and he answered "if you are that slow, you might play on Dif 1" - we were on Dif 3. I tried to explain camly, that when we go down one by one, he will fail to and he just said "Yes, because u suck". Great teammate.

[@derkaiser9881]

@@BlackyMox I mean if you're going down on Malice he's not wrong.

[@magick7278]

Biggest issue is most players aren’t very good, no communication, not understanding basic mechanics, slow to revive, not staying together, kill hungry, playing with the volume off, unless you’re trying hardest difficulty bots are better 8/10 times compared to random real people

[@bane9951]

What I think is missing from darktide is those little coop features from vermintide like giving players healing and bombs. I think they should have expanded on it rather than remove that kind of system. Maybe give you multiple different items in a map but you only have 2 inventory slots and players can exchange those items

[@FirstLast-wk3kc]

Yea

[@jUppers]

nnnno. staying grouped with shared ammo and health is more encouraged this way and classes are more defined by their grenades

[@JR-001]

GREAT LIST! PLAYERS PLEASE TURN AROUND AND CHECK ON THE REAR GUARD! HE IS IMPORTANT AND IS GUARDING YOUR 6!

[@RKroese]

Caps is on. ☹️

[@JC-uz3ey]

I think the point about weapon conbos and failed teamwork are key. I Main sharpshooter with bolter and PS, which is a mid range elite/CC build, but i have people still leaving it to me for mass ranged kills while they recklessly charge forward, and get shot full of holes. I also agree with PTFO, as this is the sin most commit. i had a match where i was the only one grabbing the cannisters to load in, while the other 3 were miles away killing stuff. You can guess how that went, and then players blame you for being the weak link. Another point i would like to put forward is SDE (Small Dick Energy), where you flag out ammo or heals, and people refuse to come back to get a medkit while carrying NOTHING, thinking they won't need it, and wiping in the end thanks to selfishness.

[@krzysztofdrzewiecki5618]

Reason for wipe: Ogryn thought that he will aggro Daemon Host, if he would be one to wake it up. Daemon had different idea. I was ogryn :D

[@wilhelmpaulm]

^unless you're after the achievement there's no reason for touching the demon host. Had a ton of newbies do that as we were near the end.

[@derkaiser9881]

@@wilhelmpaulm Yeah there's no meaningful rewards for killing it. And even if you quad thunder hammer it with a Zealot kill squad that's still corruption you could go without.

[@Snowman_Style]

the number 1 reason/excuse i see people give is always "where did my team go, why did no one follow me?' aka 'i wasnt paying attention to my team or my surroundings and I assumed since im the main character that everyone else can and will follow me around like lost puppies'

[@CommanderTavos99]

its not an excuse, if the team doesnt follow the objective and randomly runs around, you shouldnt do the same. If u played it right its their fault for either not listening or dont caring.

[@Justheory11b]

@@CommanderTavos99 usually it becomes a race for kills/action. That is often why wipes occur.

[@VargVikernes1488]

Number 1 reason is people playing anything other than a sharpshooter with the power sword

[@CommanderTavos99]

@@Justheory11b actually true, they keep killing instead of doing the objectives/reviving

[@superninja_youtube]

@@CommanderTavos99 I think you're missing the point. If someone runs halfway across the map without a team, they deserve it when they go limp. Yes, specials will spawn overtime, yes, speedrun strats are "optimal" but if your team wants to take it slow then don't force them to speedrun. In Vermintide 2, we leave speedrunners to die and ragequit shortly after, a bot is a bigger team player than them. In Darktide, we leave speedrunners to die and ragequit: bots have more uncommon commonsense. Unless your team is specifically agreed to speedrun, it's merely a self-destructive dick move to your team, and I'm a Preacher player. Bull-rushing specials is like heroin to me, but that doesn't mean I forget about my team!

[@orochifire]

These are great tips for the absolute skill floor, but pretty awful for anything above that. No, the entire team shouldn't scramble to revive the single dope that went down and get mangled from behind in the process; more likely the guy that just got downed by a handful of poxwalkers _is not_ going to be that instrumental in your success and as such to be prioritized over all else when they hit the floor for the 5th time in the mission. Remove priority threats and get to them when it makes sense to do so. Move with purpose but not recklessness. What good is reviving someone that was bad enough to go down in the first place if you get cold-cocked as a result and your team actually wipes? Suggesting people entirely specialize in one thing instead of having a good balance in equipment is moronic for _exactly the reason given as the main thrust of the video._ If your designated elite killer person goes down and everybody else is hard-specced something else, you're going to eat absolute shit as opposed to everyone being a little more flexible and having at least some options for dealing with that situation. "I'm bad at CC so my friend brings a flamer and an eviscerator." bruh what. So if he goes down, now you're all going to die to poxwalkers? If you go down, he's going to get spanked by the first dreg gunner or tox flamer that comes along? Why doesn't he bring an eviscerator for chaff and melee elites, and a boltgun, or a shotgun, or a _revolver_ for those oh-shit moments where you're not standing by to deal with every non-horde situation? Why don't you suck it up and bring something for hordeclear instead of insisting on being the special snowflake I-only-kill-specials guy that gets wrecked the second more than 3 enemies show up, like that Veteran with the *power sword* you showed get dunked on by pox walkers in the beginning of the video? Holy Terra. Why would you ever want "we're making up for each others' weakness" instead of "we're each making up for the weakness of one weapon with our selection of the other?" Maybe this stuff works on uprising and malice, but it's going to be terrible habits to try to carry into damnation. Here's a tip you glossed right over, and that pubs almost never do: tag the pingable enemies. Everybody can tag 1 enemy at a time and having 4 specials or elites highlighted is a hell of a lot better for team coherency in the real sense of the word, not the game sense of it, than 0-1. It can be hard as hell to see elites through the walls of flamer fire or smokescreens from grenades, and even if you're not asking for help with the enemy, being able to see it is much, much easier when they're bright-red and wallhacked. P.S. Just saw you unloading a bolter into like 3 or 4 poxwalkers, gotta say I would've edited that out of a public video in which I was going to try to take an authoritative stance on how-to-play.

[@midnightMoonlight09]

i would like to note that this is almost a copy/paste of his Vermintide 2 video on the subject. team "roles" were a lot more pronounced and specific between classes in that game, and regular ranged enemies were basically non-existent, so there it made a bit more sense. this is not to say you're wrong though, i just felt it was worth mentioning and could give some insight into his train of thought.

[@orochifire]

@@midnightMoonlight09 Sounds like that means it was a pretty bad idea to copy-paste it, then.

[@mr.murlock9780]

I agree that the bystander effect happens alot it seems in regards to revives and rescues. I also find many seem to specialize too much? They focus completely in one role, leading to missing components especially long range! I personally try to combine a single target weapon with a multi target one. Power sword and Bolter, Force sword and Purgatus staff, Evicerator and Flamer, Slab shield and Ripper gun as examples. The split up is the most common imo though... many people just seem to think they're Sly Marbo and lone wolf their way through the game!

[@matthewturpin6429]

I only feel the need to point out that Eviscerator and flamer are... both crowd weapons. I mean sure the eviscerator rev is good against single targets, I just find that particular example a bit funny XD My go-to zealot loadout since last patch has been Hammer and Revolver. Hammer (because nothing else in the game comes close in terms of how satisfying it feels) Has solid CC because of just hilarious amounts of impact stagger (especially with lvl10 feat) and devastating single target damage with the special. Revolver now actually has sufficient ammo reserves that I can rely on its punchthrough to thin out hordes if needed, but more importantly the nigh-instant swap time means I can often dome specials and elites before they get to actually engage. And on non-ogryn types, even if they don't die on the first hit, it frequently knocks them right over, which can still keep the party safe.

[@VargVikernes1488]

Combining power sword with anything is not some sort of a tactic, because it's the best single and multi target melee weapon in the game and all the sharpshooters using any other weapons should be humiliated and kicked from the game.

[@mr.murlock9780]

@@matthewturpin6429 To be fair, the Zealot is a bit spoiled with its melee weapons. The Evicerator, Hammer and Crusher all deal great single and AoE damage... I find the Evicerator to be the middle of the three in moveset and utility. I also chose flamer as my ranged weapon because not only is it great for hordes, but also for bosses! The main weakness being ranged unfortunately but I figure having the Zealot's ability helps even out this weakness somewhat.

[@mr.murlock9780]

@@VargVikernes1488 I think you're missing the point here. The combination of utility from both Power sword and bolter is the selling point. Both combined gives the veteran the ability to meet all the components that Zerk highlighted. You have crowd control, armor piercing, anti-ranged and boss killing ability at melee and ranged!

[@mercfox4387]

From the reviving I can say from a run last night on malice difficulty that while yes getting the revive as soon as possible is good, the area does need to be relatively controlled before getting the downed player back up. The reason being is that players don't have immunity frames when revived, so a player that was revived on their last down was instantly killed by the horde that easily swarmed back in. I'm sure it's explained already and it went over my head, but there is sometimes an exception to making sure the downed player's area is temporarily cleared so they can be revived without being downed the second they get back up.

[@hkl4dplayer]

18:49 This one really depends on the situation and your own skill level, sometimes you just have to give up on the last guy, like in the video you almost turned one man down into two man down, if not for the invulnerability. I personally am not confidence enough to leave the edge to help the last guy, unless I can't hear any other threats.

[@derkaiser9881]

When there's a hound on someone like that just throw a nade at it, too. He could've naded it from the bottom of the shaft, or just whipped it over and pulled out his axe to push the pox burster away.

[@shirosaki97]

Okay, I want to make an addendum on your first point...YOU ARE RIGHT, people ignoring downed members is stupid and in most situations, at least in the easier difficulties, there are no excuses. However, in Heresy and especially in Damnation, the team blindly going to rescue a downed teammate can be a death sentence in and of itself, in those difficulties, the most deadly enemies are by far, not Crushers, or Bulwarks, or any notable special, but gun weilding enemies, any gun weilding enemies, and even the horde, they can take so much of your health and spawn so frequently and sneakily that if you're not either backed up safely by the team (which is probably hard if you're pinned down) or you're not certain you can spend the few seconds to revive a person, you will die, the stamina, unless you're an Ogryn (which has it's own issues of being the size of a freight train and being shot at by more things), will not save you in panic situations. In those scenarios, the best thing to do is consolodate, and cut down as much of the horde/danger as you can, as you can bet that dying party member is still doing a good job at taking aggro off the rest of the team. And hold out until you can rescue them. Now if you can rez them, great, but honest to god the amount of people I've seen try to help only to get completely decimated is beggars belief. To be fair, you pointed this out, but I feel it was a bit of an understated point. The message to take away is that players must be keener on their decision making when it comes to these panic scenarios and reviving. Instead of 'always go revive' it should be 'what is the quickest, most efficient and safest way; to revive'. Sometimes it's better to use the opportunity a downed player gives and take the chance to kill as much shit so the guy who is on the floor 50 metres away is the only one on the floor dying. Then again, this is only for Damnation really, even in Heresy if your teammates aren't actively getting themselves and everyone else killed, it's probably not going to be so bad to instantly prioritise getting people up.

[@bane9951]

Vermintide had you limited to 4 different characters in a mission for a reason, the match making system should look that a team optimally has 4 diffrent classes and if it cant then goes to 3, 2 different classes at least. thats the update i would do next. having 3 zealots and an ogryn in a team really sucks

[@jecsquire9508]

Haven't skilled up to tier 5 yet, but in heresy games 4 guardsmen get the job done better than mixed teams in my experience - assuming you stay co-ordinated and noone wings a demonhost and the 4 have a varied load out. A psyker is often appreciated though.

[@RoulicisThe]

@@jecsquire9508 It can work but you need a lot of coordination with your teamates for it to work. The compo I prefer in that case is switching 1 guard for a psyker instead. Psyker and guard synergy works like a charm

[@derkaiser9881]

@@jecsquire9508 Really depends how meta the classes are. 4 Vets can do Damnation comfortably. 4 Psykers? Hell fucking no.

[@matox01tekk]

the only reason i sometimes separate from the team is finding the materials, the game is still new we need all of them, if i have to spend 20+ minutes in a game i would love to collect every single bit there is, i gave up on the books unless i have contract, they are near useless compare to the impact they made in Vermintide games, which i think its a mistake what fatshark did, not only should the books increase the chance of getting better equipement they should give at least little bit of everything at the end, material,increase rarity of item or at least increase the chance to get any item

[@TsunamiWombat]

Reason 1. The veteran shot the daemonhost. Reason 2. The veteran shot the barrel. Reason 3. The veteran won't shoot the specials. Reason 4. The veteran. Reason 5. The ogryn is in front of the veteran

[@samgoff5289]

6. People blame others for their mistakes

[@Melchizidek777]

That team wipe at the start as damn painful to watch. This game is pretty new and more casual than Vermintide, so unless your playing heresy or higher you defiantly get these guys who dont know how to play. Plus, if they went down, wouldn't they want someone to help them asap? Do the same for others, Golden Rule applies big time in these games.

[@mwnciboo]

Veteran with Kantrael and Catachan Sword (With Anti armour and high cleave traits) seems to be good all rounder. Seen 3 Vets in a Squad tear through higher difficulty. Tunnel vision kills... Always move as pairs at a minimum - Never Solo - Yolo - You fail. Never over-extend ahead of your team or too fast. Never use Med stations too early, you can track back and heal and maximise your Health regen

[@By4o]

Most likely some pepega gonna use station twice instead xD

[@UnknownSquid]

That bit in the last part about staying aware of where your team mates are. Good grief I wish people did more of that. My most played classes are Veteran and Psyker, and I've always as general policy aimed to stick around the middle of the team. Roughly equal distance to all players. Drives me absolutely nuts when I'm there trying to keep overwatch on the entire team, but one guy is sprinting on forwards alone without the slightest clue if anyone is actually still with him or not, the other is running off sideways down a dark alleyway to _chase_ a trapper that slipped away, and the last guy is stuck way behind desperately trying to fight through the horde to catch up, having to back-pedal into walls or off a cliff because he's too swarmed to be able to turn and see where he's going. And I'm just there in disbelief, having to be the one to choose which one to save, and which two will go down. It's such a common situation that it's just unreal. If you're ever taking point at the front and you leave concurrency, then you've gone too far forwards.

[@KageRyuu6]

Unless you're an Ogryn don't attempt to revive if there's 3 or more active melee or 1 ranged enemy targeting you, because they can and will consistently cancel the revive given how quick their attack speed is without you fighting back. So, either stagger or kill enough of them to attempt a revive. Nets are a bit easier, but wouldn't attempt it with 5 or more active enemy, and ideally not around a living Trapper. Additionally, COMMUNICATION, even if you don't have a Mic you still have Chat and the Tag Wheel for a fucking reason, use them. Such as during the Mumi example, had Zerk called out the fact they were near death and there was a Med Station around, the other two might have been less inclined to take it and Mumi might have finally realized it themself.

[@jasongarfitt1147]

There is a zealot build that can deal with that revive. One of the talents stops you getting disrupted by melee

[@theinvisibleguardian]

Another one I would add is pure carelessness. There are times I don't pay attention to my health/toughness and end up downed because of lack of situation awareness. Sometimes more commonly in higher difficulties, there are many sounds playing at once and you don't hear specific audio cues until the very last moment, namely like a mutant charging, trapper's net being deployed, the dog's pounce, etc. A small note to add, while playing as a non-ogryn, you can slide while carrying heavy objects, and effectively have the same speed as an ogryn. During some objectives, throwing the canisters up or down, with preferably another teammate on the other end, would make the events much faster to do.

[@Xenogsaga]

Something to note about playing around the objective is that some of the objectives have scripted spawns. So sometimes if you rush the objective it can also cause a wipe because you will overwhelm your team. ie. your team might be finishing off the ragers that spawns when phase 1 was completed, but since rushed through it now the shotgunners spawn. So now you have rager clean up with shotgunner party time.

[@connorchenery977]

Nothing has ever made me want to play solo more than playing with people. Decided to play on the easiest difficulty to get a challenge done of not dying in a mission. On the final ammo box in the ammo mission I had 3 team mates all full health, decent level all carrying health packs. While I survived on 1hp and all 3 or them went down. I pray to thr emperor they see this video

[@pirx9798]

Haha. Had 2 guys yesterday drop a health pack and an ammo box on our way to the frickin exit. Both level 30 even.

[@connorchenery977]

I feel your pain, I just want a solo play mode

[@battlecruiserna]

when people are ignoring you, you can use the quick chat wheel while knocked down. just spam the eye and the location marker over and over and over again until they get the message, and make sure to always reply with a thanks. As far as "range-ing" goes I like calling that job "range counter." Also, as far as horde clear weapons go, Agripinaa braced autogun is very effective at doing several jobs As an ogryn main and psyker second main, i usually try to make sure that the team spits as pairs, at most. I will always babysit the player that is running around on their own.

[@barrywise7185]

Saving some emergency resources: grenades, ults, med packs, are so important for saving a run

[@FirestormHF]

Important to hold them but also important to use them when they're useful rather than sitting on them.

[@newconthehusky]

Great video! I would like to say, and i know this isnt the video for it, during the section of squad synergy choosing to leave out the grenades wasnt a good idea. Seeing as how each class's grenade has utility, Crowd control for the zealot, boss killing potential for the ogryn, elite killing for the psyker, and wave clear for the veteran. Im excited to see the squad synergy video when it does come out and i hope it has the grenades factored in!

[@Offbeaten]

"What sin did I commit to deserve such companions." Probably condoning low hp zealot running.

[@ASpaceOstrich]

Damn right. It was shitty in Vermintide 2 but at least in that game it was intended. In Darktide you're not supposed to be doing that, and any Zealot deliberately running low health deserves the down they get. They will definitely be lowest priority for revival in a bad situation, given they put themselves there in the first place.

[@theprancingrat]

@ASpace Ostrich the feats say otherwise. Just gotta get good at zealot to be able to survive running low hp for the martyr buffs. I think it's pretty shit too, but it's clear the devs intended for people to use the feat, therefore pushing people towards the idea of constant low health. I don't use the feat myself because I'd rather not have getting low hp on my mind and trying to keep my operative at tip top shape.

[@ASpaceOstrich]

@@theprancingrat One of the feats specifically can only proc if you aren't running on low health all the time, as it only procs if you lose health, not if you're already on low health. Vermintide 2 zealot could get away with running intentionally on low hp, but Darktide zealot can't.

[@ashtheswan705]

I wish it showed us our own ammo color indicator. I see my teammate has yellow ammo, but do i? Am i gonna be an asshole for taking this ammo stash? Hard to gauge if you are switching ranged weapons and dont have a good idea of your max capacity, especially with laser guns and the like.

[@marxula555]

what ive seen in a lot of public groups and with my friends is if a trapper grabs someone, the trapper is the new group target while getting up the guy trapped so we dont end up with 2 trapped players

[@DominicMaez]

Been playing psycher. And the scream can give you just enough time to revive a downed player. Make sure you don’t have people following you. Done the fighting thing and forgetting the objective. It is easy with how fun the combat can be. Those damn books are the biggest reason to see me peel off from the group. Something we need to communicate to look for the books as a group

[@OffToBattle]

My last Psyker game, I had complaints from someone about not being supported and I said over voice, "It took me all this time to fight my way to you." That's because they were trying to play the objective and left me behind even while I was trying to follow. I just couldn't deal with the mass of the horde with my weapons in that match. We pulled through, but sometimes you have to fight just to keep breathing.

[@By4o]

Just be good enough to survive solo and evade all disablers

[@acheron16]

1- Ogryns should be revive bots. Their revive can't be interrupted by damage, so if you're playing Ogryn, FOCUS ON REVIVES. 2- While that certainly can be an issue, I'd say that it's mostly the game's fault at this point. It only shows you what melee weapon everyone is carrying pre-match (doesn't even show guns) and if you just play as a drop-in player, might as well forget about this point. You should try to cover some roles, but you'll never cover them all. I usually play as Zealot with Thunderhammer and Flamer: Great single target damage + Great crowd control and AoE damage, but I'm a sitting duck versus long range enemies. 3- Very true. They mostly just focus on killing enemies and ignore that fucking Data Interrogator beeping noise or searching for the canisters or killing infesting daemons. 4 - Also true, but the levels can be deceptively sinous and people sometimes just want to do the fucking side objective. Too many people kill themselves searching or worse, GOING BACK for a side objective when we've reached the extraction phase. 5 - This is redundant, since splitting up too far is pretty much failing teamwork. But we all know that the real nº 1 reason is: Someone fucking triggered the Daemonhost

[@forsensmotd6795]

(Hating comment) : Litteraly all Call of Duty *players*, all about the kill count, not the team.

[@graveyardshift6691]

"Long range-ing." What you're looking for is a Sharpshooter for Counterfire/Countersniping. This is generally the role I take up on my veteran since I wanted to theme her as such. Ironically I got so good at it that I wound up being able to do it with everyone else. Scab Snipers didn't tend to last long around me and even my Ogryn with the grenade launcher was to be feared. They'd look up from their scope at 50m away after whiffing a shot only to see the Thumper grenade make contact with their face. I would also say that map familiarity is also a big issue. Being able to recognize key locations where the game is likely to fuck you and KNOWING you have to four man coherency is a big issue. Two of the biggest problems I run into is the Vertical Battlefield on the desert stage and the viral sample map in total. The vertical battefield seems to fuck everyone as the game decides that the place it's going to hit you with enemy spam and even on T1s you'll get a wipe if you're careless. It's very easy to get split up which will cause a wipe. Knowing where and how to move together helps you get through. The Virus sample mission is one of those that is incredibly poorly designed. There are extremely few med stations to counter the near endless hordes you run into the second you drop the Servo Skull for the first time. Knowing how it moves, WHERE it moves, and what to do after it stops is what fucks most people on that map and make it a nightmare to run even at lower difficulties. And while you get a brief reprieve at the demon tree after finishing its circling, the dash for the extraction zone is complicated by yet MORE endless hordes surrounding you at two key points before you finally make it to the Valkyrie. Daemonhosts. Oh lord DH's. Listen I don't mind fighting them but even on T1s they are incredibly dangerous. The ENTIRE TEAM must commit to fighting a Daemonhost. If even ONE person gets distracted for too long and takes their attention and damage away from focusing a Daemonhost, it WILL cost you. I've had people sass me before saying 'It's only T1' before triggering a DH while the rest of the team wasn't ready or busy fighting off other enemies. We killed it but wound up nearly TPK running on less than a wound each and it still got someone so we were a three man rescue mission. Do NOT underestimate a DH. Hell the one time I had zero trouble killing a DH because someone didn't communicate they were going to fight it, it cost me the Kill a Monstrosity in 5 seconds penance because *I* didn't focus on killing it. I was too busy typing while the rest of the team was opening fire. It when down in 7-11 seconds once I corrected myself.

[@nicolasbirbeau1607]

There is another advice to give : Make sure you don't end up doing damnation runs with two wounds. You get downed once, you are directly on half health afterwards and you are to be rescued the next time. Three or even four wounds is far more resilient.

[@orochifire]

Sounds like planning for failure to me.

[@nicolasbirbeau1607]

@@orochifire The same applies to Zerkovich. One of his advice is "Be quick to revive your teammate." If that is not expecting failure, I don't know what it is.

[@orochifire]

@@nicolasbirbeau1607 That isn't planning for failure, that's in response to it. A more apt comparison would be suggesting Ally revive speed curios, but that's already pretty similar to what you said, with the exception that it's planning for ALLY failure, which is a little more pragmatic than planning for your own failure, which you're theoretically in control of.

[@bloodglacier]

It took some time but i finally warmed up to the zealots new power weapon. The AOE stagger & knockback CC's enemies long enough to perform 75% of a revive which means you only have to tank melee hits for 25% at most. Its crazy how strong the utility of it is.

[@cyanide7270]

Or, always have at least one grenade saved up, droop that bitch down, have an Axe or something with Shred, hit a mob a couple times to pop your damage reduction, and have the feat that makes you immune to melee hits, and be the best class capable of reviving someone.

[@bennib6697]

hits like a wet noodle tho

[@JuiceJive]

3:30 nobody pinging the trapper? What were you doing? Did you have something better to do while you were in the net?

[@vilidious]

My pet peeve is grimoire hoarding over team survival. Sure, if team is doing fine, a grimoire or two is fine... but if even normal mobs seem a challenge or everybody's hp is half a bar, maybe leave the grimoire on the ground or throw it away? Losing grimoires costs you some bonus rewards, losing the mission costs you almost everything.

[@wyrdplae8586]

can you drop a grimoire? I didn't think you could. Can't even swap them for medkits from what I saw. Unless it was a bug?

[@vilidious]

@@wyrdplae8586 I haven't done it myself, but I remember hearing on some clip weeks ago that it can be done via inspecting or smth... as such I think it's possible. Of course, it'll get destroyed once you drop it or need to be rescued. Edit: Fast googling said press 3, then left click.

[@iDEATH]

Great video. I have been plagued by so many of these problems, but I think the one where people don't check behind them is the worst. It's so simple, "keep your head on a swivel" and all that, but so many people have truly atrocious situational awareness. I've literally been soloing a horde in a doorway with my power sword and turned around to find my teammates have run off. Another that gets me, which I think probably fits under "teamwork", is how rare it is to find people who understand the concept of a "fatal funnel." The horde _will_ come to us! Let them bunch up in the narrow hallway! It's why my favourite loadouts are always self-sufficient, at least to whatever degree I can manage.

[@UnknownSquid]

Yep to all of that. It always bugs me when we've got a good position, but perhaps something like a grenade thins out the horde for a moment. The Zealot at the door gets nothing to hit for half a second and gets bored I guess, so rushes forwards to keep fighting. Four seconds later he's been jumped by a Crusher, some Ragers and a Mutant from all angles, and you'd think he'd be wishing he was still by that chokepoint with his team to help out, but yet it keeps happening.

[@iDEATH]

@@UnknownSquid Yeah, the smart zealot uses that brief window to reload their flamer!

[@randomcast3183]

Most of the wipes I've been in are ones where the team ignored the special spawns and keep running forward without dealing with them or running forward ahead and aggro everything. Then those guys get downed, and then those aggroed mobs come to the others that were behind.

[@forsensmotd6795]

Is common sense in coop video games this hard to understand? I feel bad sometimes for those guys that drop the medic box at the very very end of the mission.

[@ganjiblobflankis6581]

One of the near-wipes today was on the upload false data in the waterworks map. At the top of the midway elevator we had a rough start with a pox horde, shotties and specials. I think a bomber retreated to the bridge and pursuing fire woke up everyone on the bridge including at least one sniper way back. One guy got downed, then the guy trying to res him got downed like the scene in Full Metal Jacket. Our surviving Ogrin did not have shield and was now separated from me by the mass of enemies. I had a lasgun and managed to tag a sniper and avoid it shooting me, but was getting hit by pox and could not make the shot. We linked up and made room, but had to let the two die before we could take the sniper out. Luckily they both spawned on the other side of the bridge and no boss decided to show up so the run went pretty well after that. It is better to lose a player or two if you are definitely going to get killed trying to save them.

[@cyanide7270]

Also a thing people need to learn. Running off alone is bad enough, but IMMEDIATELY trying to res someone without clearing the area is the second biggest dumb decision. Try to clear the area of the big threats, have a grenade to help give space, so on and so forth, and if the person dies in that time then so be it, work to rescue them later on. Why people rush to get someone up from a down i will never understand because youre just putting yourself in a position to be dragged down with them.

[@jmmywyf4lyf]

You described that complaint about not being Resurrected, but that whole event was a matter of seconds

[@leinadlink]

I just saw you doing the blocking before reviving thing from vermintide 2. You don't need to do that anymore, it's enough with having your melee weapon out and you'll block any melee hits as long as you have stamanamina. I don't know if if that's also the case for vermintide 2 at this point.

[@midnightMoonlight09]

Verm 2 will auto-block for you now, though it is good discipline to hold block anyway, since it puts you into block when you're done reviving to can stop cheeky hits from slipping through in that split-second it takes to act on being back in the fight

[@MorroWolf]

Ok proposal for mod or update to fix the role situation: When you jump on a team at the load screen you are prompted to pick from the roles you fulfill with little icons like a cross hair for range, something for crowd control etc. It would be quick and easy to select wouldn't increase time to depart much and would let everyone advertise what they are doing at a point where you can still change your gear. If you're joining a mission already in progress you can get a few seconds to see the team in the field, what they are reping and change your kit. Is there a suggestion forum or someway we could pressure fat shark to implement this?

[@GG-ou7it]

The technology just isn’t there yet sadly

[@matchesburn]

@@GG-ou7it No, the technology is there, Fatshark just can't or doesn't want to implement it.

[@brgessner]

was thinking about this, my current problem is that roles are more weapon related than class. Such as ogryn with a cleaver and a psyker with lighting staff are both crowd control. Though they really play quite different. And the rest of the team composition dictates which one would work better.

[@KamelGuru]

Or just change the joining screen so it shows ranged weapons instead of melee, since that is VASTLY more important for picking complementing weapons

[@MyViolador]

6: veteran not eliminating ranged enemies while your ogryn gets shreded as he CCs the entire horde

[@thecommenter9678]

Would be nice if we could pick a little icon for ourselves that tells people what role we INTEND to be in the team.

[@premiumfruits3528]

1. 2 of us randomly clipped through the floor to a lower level and the two that didn't got dogged immediately 2. AI director spawned like a dozen gunners and 3 or 4 reapers in one place at max distance and 2 mutants were chain throwing the vets while we all got shredded 3. AI director spawned 2 bulwarks at the top of an elevator that just stood there and literally three pox bursters ran into the elevator and instagibbed all of us at once 4. demonhost spawned halfway into the floor and was barely visible and someone tagged it for the rest of us but the tag disappeared in a couple seconds for some reason so half the team wasn't aware of where it was and walked into it 5. 2 crushers blocked us in a small hallway while the AI director spawned what felt like a dozen ragers right behind us that proceeded to blend us up

[@hellfeesh]

4 bolters lacks ammo, not crowd control. My stupid teammates know that when they mag dump a single poxwalker because they actually have ogryn brains (no offense to ogryns)

[@derkaiser9881]

12:08 you can actually throw those up and catch them, so that spot isn't bad at all. Problem is that a ton of people don't understand you can catch the power cells if they're thrown. One person up top catching them is more efficient than using the stairs.

[@FloppyCat1990]

Literally the first point hits the nail on the head. Nearly every single wipe, was me trying to solo revive someone while our ogryn literally picks their nose. Then I go down, and his brain starts barely processing whats going on before its too late.

[@WozWozEre]

Hey don't criticise the Ogryn player for role playing accurately 😂

[@Sund4nc3]

very valuable thoughts, should be mandatory to watch this for most players. playing solo means the team is not there for you, you are there for the team. most ppl dont give a shit about the teammates

[@jonesy279]

The other point with revives that I feel is overlooked is the Ogryn’s don’t get interrupted while reviving. If you’re playing Ogryn, you should always be the first on a revive and you don’t need to clear baddies, the other teammates can do that.

[@Stormtrooper990]

The first one really bugs me too. And I do think that the trapper need to die often before you get the guy back up.

[@jasongarfitt1147]

So many times I've seen the trapper get the guy trying to revive. The trapper is the one that needs killing before pickup

[@yurikendal4868]

Excellent points. Im a pratical newbie and I figured that its best to keep your team mates up as much as possible. The game right now counts only human controlled plahyers as viable, so if you lose all of your human team mates, not bots, you can lose the run. So its a good idea to work on keeping y our human team mates going. ANd as always I have to check behind me, largely because you get snuck up on a lot. You cant possibly clear an entire run of all mosnters, they will constantly respawn anad you dont get extra xp for killing monsters,just finishing the level. The monster acheivements will come soon enough

[@gtifighter]

most of these things you mention, I have been doing automatically since closed beta. picking up teammates as soon as possible, helping people stay together, looking out for people who get separated, use common fucking sense when discovering med stations with limited uses or ammo. you forgot one point though, and that is marking and actually killing priority targets such as specials and elites. I find that barely anyone does it beside me, even though it's such an immense help for the team. Especially when people get massacred by an enemy sniper that they are oblivious about is probably the #1 reason for any wipes I have experienced.

[@Sqwallbg]

You skipped a reason in the beginning - shitty coding on the devs part. Had one just now which got me infuriated to no end and things like that will probably be the stuff that makes me leave the game. The thing in question? - immortal Pox Bursters, Heresy difficulty. Last portion of the mission starts and i hear 2 beeps. Saw one - i'm sharpshooter with maxed plasma - all sliders at 80% other than ammo. Pox Buster casually took 2 shots to the face (that kills ogrins by the way) and hit 3 people of the team and launched me backwards then i die from the other burster. Then the other sharpshooter said it took 2 headshots from his maxed out bolter without any effect. So yeah - wasted half an hour or so from the developer's bullshit who are so incapable that they let stuff like that happen. QA not included...let the players test it...Maybe they should see how that worked out for Bethesda as of late.

[@randomlygeneratedname]

If you follow a the first man clears the second resses is also a pretty decent mindset for ressing when there's more than poxers around

[@STARSBarry]

I think you missed one other very important one, The Penance Chaser. This is a very special kind of public player that rears their heads every so often, especially on Heracy. Into a match you go only to see the dreaded words "hey can we try and run through this in under 20 mins?" Or the veteran who refuses to shoot because they're packing a revolver and only unloads it into hordes trying to get 100% accuracy. I have had pug teams quite often with both at the same time, creating the most awful experience ever. The "Revolver Octlot" cosplayer are not too bad as they inevitably rage quit when I headshot the mobs they are aiming at and miss (I do this purposefully to get them to leave asap) however the 1 HP cleric speed runners... now that's a diffrent story. I can't think of a worse player than the one that spends 65% of the game on 1 HP and the other 45% being dead as they speed run into a crusher pack. These pop up enough in my matches to be an issue, the other thing is when your in Heracy+ and really struggling and team mates go out of there way to pick up grims... I understand they are there. But I'm just not good enough to pull a struggling team through with -33% health that is now slowly degrading, I ask them to destroy it and if they don't I just leave, literally no point wasting time. This is not to say I leave every time someone picks up a grim, but when iv had to revive people 5 times, everyone's on super low HP and we have almost wiped already and some guy is like LOLOLOLOL Grim, just no.

[@samjohnson7325]

@1:51 that double mutie dodge was immaculate

[@sameerpandya1947]

Great vid. I really wish with PUGs they would show the melee and ranged weapons and even allow you to lock your choices. The times when i am in a PUG with 3-4 of the same class makes it a guessing game. I recently had a game with 4 zealots and i swapped to a headhunter autogun i happened to have in my inventory as a hedge, which worked out as i ended up being the sniper for the run.

[@stephenconway2696]

here's a tip, if you are blazing forwards and leaving a teammate behind, they have to sprint to catch up. So when a hound catches them, they can't knock them back, they're sitting ducks. You'll be going back anyway

[@pirx9798]

People who have no idea about the map and the mission, and keep clearing a room if hordes weren't spawning anyway, when they just have to run away and get the karkin elevator.

[@almostontimehero5415]

Often feel like people are just using the strongest, rarest weapon they have not seeing that their class is melee or ranged or only benefits when played a specific way. It doesn't matter on easy, but the harder the game gets, the more you need to stick to what your class is talented for.

[@CommanderTavos99]

Bad teammates - the end

[@makoto7029]

I swear some people are impossible to carry. last game i played with a dude who spammed "i need heal" for 5 mins. Then when in front of a medicae, do not use it. Same story with ammo and ammo crates. Also people running around paying no attention to teamates. And people who never ever read the chat in a coop game.

[@magick7278]

So many of them in this game too

[@CommanderTavos99]

@@makoto7029 I feel that

[@br0wndynom1te90]

Glad to know about the revive mechanic, I assumed it was exactly like Vermintide an my stamina is always low, as for class setup. I swear if I choose any class, im destined to have a copy cat in the match. The option to change classes in the ready up menu would be nice tbh. An its wierd how everyone wants crowd contol but no one does *supression control*. Pretty much firing back at those shooting at your team

[@alz722]

That long range nade on the dog was epic!

[@cadia7334]

One thing that has caused the most wipes for me is players trying to complete the harder penances on pug teams. I usually don't mind and will try to help if I can, but demanding that we keep up for a speed run, zooming off, and lighting explosive barrels on fire behind you that blow your teammates off into space while you aggro hordes and elites is a surefire way to fail a run. If you're serious about completing them, join a premade team and use voice chat.

[@youngthinker1]

Communicate with the in game voice chat is a great and useful feature. Please bind it to something that is easy to use.

[@Bomtaker01]

i do have a difference in opinion on point 1 as my experience seems to be different than yours, most times i end up with the team wiping due to revives its because people come over to revive, get interrupted by melee attacks, try again and get interrupted and then finally get downed then the other two who were trying to kill the stuff around come to help and get downed as well...this happens to me far more often, I've even had it once where a team ended up leapfrogging. three people were downed and upon reviving one person the live member went down and each team member took a turn getting revived and reviving one until inevitably we got wiped. i feel like the clip you showed can even support my mindset on this point, the first zealot ran through a bunch of enemies, separating himself from the rest of the team and then being interrupted by the ragers his choice was to flee and fight or be downed during the revive, whereas if he backed up to the rest of the team and took out the ragers(i.e prioritized his own survival) first they might have stood more of a chance from the coherency boost and then revived you after, even if they didnt get to you in time there is always the chance to rescue you later, the ogryn however 100% agree on the first point, when he had no enemies to deal with he should have come straight to you but whats interesting is that it almost looks like after the first strike he disregards the two melee scabs and goes for the rescue before he gets downed, but without seeing the 2 seconds where you looked away thats just supposition.

[@wilhelmpaulm]

Yeah goes both ways, people separating and teammates don't know how to revive optimally

[@footprinter2]

this is why i run the thunder hammer and a boltgun so i can crowd control and still snipe far enemies and also mow down hordes and bosses too

[@BalgaBear]

Veteran: "There's a Dreg Shotgunner! FIXED BAYONETS!!!!"

[@heimdal8]

Another annoying thing is when you play with an Ogryn who doesn’t tank but rather hangs back and let’s the psyker tank. Great understanding of the game.

[@kerrinmorgan7887]

if i'm playing public, i go for a balanced loadout(something for armor/horde/longrange/shortrange) because your usually toe to toe with all enemy types and situations. I will also change up curios for grimoire runs or hunting grounds

[@GorBane]

On the point of helping teammates, I agree for the most part. Judgement about your ability to revive someone without going down yourself is key. If you go down trying to revive someone, then you're only hurting the team. At the same time, if you do manage to revive them, you can turn a situation around really quickly. You have to risk a little to revive your teammates, but judge the risk and don't get yourself killed. I still think your first priority should be yourself and your own survival, but you shouldn't mess around. If someone's down, they're your next priority, not whatever the next mob or objective is. I read in another comment that disablers, like Dogs and Trappers, are top priority before reviving, and I agree. Part of the "You're no use to your team dead" (Or in this case incapacitated) point I'm trying to make. Judgement is required there, too. If the dog just ran off and there's no way it'll come back around in the next 10 seconds, it's time to revive. If there are gunners and riflemen constantly shooting at you, you'll probably have to take them out or at least suppress or 'nade them before reviving. The objective point is something I notice a lot. I'm almost constantly calling out in Discord "Objective!" during my games. It's understandable, there's so much going on that you spend a lot of concentration on just surviving, which is ironically enough how some parties end up wiping. Spent too long surviving and not winning and died. There's definitely a balance to be struck there. I end up doing this too, so I end up calling it out a lot simply because I'm telling myself to get back on the objective lol.

[@JC-uz3ey]

agreed, the standard tactic is to pop a grenade and revive asap, but many just run into reviving mindlessly and they get taken down in return.

[@NuclearTreerat]

Its also important that people who have a needed tool or ability actually use them when needed. Aka under the "Bad Teamwork" category. My personal bane is Zealots who seem to not realize that they have stun grenades. I'll tell the group that my veteran doesn't need grenade refills (1 free grenade/ min talent) and yet I see the zealot(s) pass up 3 or 4 boxes of grenades in a row. Then when we hit a horde and start wiping due to sheer numbers overwhelming our lack of CC (all too often my vets shovel + grenades is it and maybe a psyker with lightning). All the while the zealot is hacking away without every throwing One Bloody Grenade. Even worse is when I know they have grenades left, they try to revive someone surrounded by a horde, and still won't use the damn thing then get incapacitated. Its enough to make me wish team damage and that dead players got no reward was a thing. If you have the means to help, USE IT. Doesn't matter if your "immerision" or "RP" says you shouldn't.

[@AgentOracle]

Ahem: The game's director wants a thing to happen, it will sometimes force a thing to happen. Mutant spawns behind us, party kills mutant before it reaches us, mutant spawns behind us, party kills mutant before it reaches us. Game spawns 3rd mutant which appears from thin air to tackle and slam a party member.