5 SECRET TECHNIQUES THAT SEPARATE AMATEUR FROM PROFESSIONAL PIANISTS (Special Liszt technique)

[@molybdaenmornell123hopp5]

1. Practice slowly (not just medium pace). 2. Memorise. 3. Let it digest (taking an extended break from a piece can help). 4. Practice efficiently (focus on what needs practice rather than playing the whole piece again and again). 5. Play in groups (slowly increasing group size until you have the whole phrase).

[@ewallt]

On the last one, practicing in groups, I found varying the rhythm to be helpful. So a group of eight be a slow group of four followed by a fast group of 8, so that each group takes the same amount of time.

[@oliviertroubat]

Vidéo très instructive ! Organiste et harpiste, j’applique presque tous ces précieux conseils sauf le dernier… que je vais essayer ! Le problème crucial est de rester vraiment concentré pendant le travail : pour ça, je mets un minuteur… 25 minutes de vrai travail puis 5 minutes de vraie pause … on quitte la pièce de travail et on repart pour 25 min en travaillant un autre passage pour que le travail ait le temps d’être « métabolisé « Merci Sébastien 🙏

[@horoffra]

Super methode 😊

[@oliviertroubat]

@ en réalité -mais c’est un lieu commun -chacun doit absolument trouver SA méthode de travail qui doit être la plus « rentable « ! Dommage que les professeurs n’apprennent pas cela en début de cursus : apprendre à travailler, savoir travailler efficacement ! Vous le faites : c’est parfait… 👍

[@polymath6475]

Thank you so much saying you started the piece in 2004, I've also been working on etudes for just as long and then get discouraged when people half my age upload performances not just one, but the whole book.😂

[@MichaelJustGreat]

(NO SHOUTING) *EXCELLENT VIDEO. THANK YOU SEBASTIAN.*

[@dennisjardine5416]

What about also practicing with a dummy keyboard? Most teachers would say that it makes you mechanical, but I have been using it as a practice tool off and on. It really gives you time to practice slowly and to dissect the piece. It helps a lot with sorting out the mechanics of the piece. Another thing I notice is that even though there is no physical sound when on the dummy keyboard, the sound is always going on in my head! If I lose this audiation, I simply review it using the real keyboard.

[@scarbo2229]

Yes, I do this sometimes when I’m travelling to play concerts, so I can practice in my hotel room.

[@dalcassian8351]

Excellent advice thank you. I do some of this but don't ever really understand harmony and piano theory. I should've tried to learn but have a busy lifestyle

[@horoffra]

Try small bits 😊

[@hippophile]

Gems. I already do most of this, but not consistently. But it is ALWAYS good to be reminded. And when I relearn these methods after they have deteriorated a bit, I sometimes use them at another level (like the pieces themselves!). By the way, of course dropping a piece and coming back is good; and also dropping half a piece for a week then dropping the other half the next can work sometimes (I am thinking of pieces which have contrasting sections with different challenges).

[@horoffra]

Yes thats a great idea too 😊

[@Danchy082]

So many gems in this video. Especially the practice part, cause beginners and children are mostly not thought how to practice. My 9 years old is making fast progress on cello because I am forcing him to practice in this way, analyse pieces with him and make his practice efficient. He hates it, he much rather practice on his own, like every beginner restarting on every mistake. This kind of practice is mentally demanding and much more challenging, but the results are fast and incomparable.

[@horoffra]

Exactly, thanks and good luck to your son 😊

[@Danchy082]

@ thank you, not every child is blessed with s musician parent at home though. That is why it should be on teachers to teach kids how to practice, which most of them do not do enough.

[@ginaqc78]

Hi! I’m glad that you’re actively helping your child to learn how to study 📚 but be careful not forcing too much that he ends up hating his practice and finally quit. It’s love ❤️ for what we do that keep us engaged and happy and excited to keep going forward in any endeavor and especially in this beautiful journey of learning music 🎼 🎵. I hope you don’t get me wrong with my comment. I just couldn’t help myself to write ✍️ it. Wishing you and your son a happy and successful life!!!❤❤❤❤❤

[@alvodin6197]

You're an idiot..your kid will grow up to resent you. "Forcing" anyone to do anything will always result in trauma and resentment. Also, people who fall for "secrets" as are idiots and fools. This shit is ridiculous. Your kid will grow up to hate you. Good luck

[@Danchy082]

@@ginaqc78 thank you for your concern but he loves music. And he loves playing and practicing in general. But since he is only 9 it is on me to put him on the right path, because the basics are all there. Talent, practice, ability- he has it all. And then when if he later decides to pursue it , nothing will stand in the way.But a little push from parent who knows what she is doing is only natural and necessary.

[@ginaqc78]

I kind of agree with most of your secrets here but just based on my experience as a student, I would not have time to have a break because the school year was about 10 months and all pieces have to be mastered by the end of the year ready for examination and recitals. The other point that my teacher taught me was, memorization was done last when all the piece was truly mastered. Of course memorization for all notes and fingering was done at the beginning and is this repetition that makes memories in our brain 🧠 brains 🧠. Thanks for the video.😊❤❤❤

[@horoffra]

Memory should be done at the beginning

[@mickizurcher]

So good to hear about the length of time you leave things. Great reminders!

[@yoonchun6945]

I agree with all your tips !! It’s been working for me !! 😊

[@horoffra]

@@yoonchun6945 great 😊🥳

[@manishkabhogal6161]

Great video!

[@horoffra]

😊🙏

[@hoodpianogirl]

Thank you ❤

[@lejazzetmoi1775]

Nice video, thanks for explaining!, even though I’m not really a pianist. The way you talked about process of learning the grouping technique reminds me somewhat of learning drumrolls or bass drum doubles, two (or more) strokes in one movement where you have to rely on intuition to get into a flowing motion, up to speeds you wouldn’t be able to reach consciously. For me it was hard, because in the beginning I would make 95 mistakes out of 100 attempts and basically had to wait until it sounded right and then I had to figure out what the hell I just did and try to repeat that, it’s like waiting for some magic bird to fly over and miss it every time, how can you remember something when you had to shut down conscious thinking in the first place? For me it took a lot of patience and confidence in intuitive recognition. Edit: you asked for a secret in the end, maybe you already know this, but I once had a piano teacher who told me his teacher would read a book or a newspaper while practicing scales or some basic stuff, just to bypass his conscious mind/super-ego and get faster into intuitive states.

[@horoffra]

Thanks 😊

[@BlintsonEcker-t5l]

Just learn Chasse Neige and performed it a couple of times. Very fun!

[@horoffra]

Nice, love it too 😊

[@chopinlover0]

Thank you for the great advices! Could you make another video of Etude no.2? I’d really like to have your advices to that etude. I’m going to play it in the audition to Liszt Academy (Budapest,Hungary) Special Young Talent’s class. I’m 14.😊

[@horoffra]

Be part pf my private members and i will make a video on that for the private members and others if you like

[@chopinlover0]

@@horoffra okay :D

[@neshomk]

Greatest tips, any advice on how to practice using metronome?

[@horoffra]

That too long to explain here 🙏

[@timothytapio4252]

where did you find the "Brain & Music" book? I'm very interested due to having a minor stroke awhile back. I can't make out the author of the book.

[@horoffra]

Stefan koelsch, 😊🙏

[@butwhatwouldiknow]

RIP the adverb - Slowly…

[@SkyLaec]

Cool advice but timestamps would be great

[@horoffra]

True, will do

[@hoodpianogirl]

They’re in the description x

[@robertdyson4216]

Which book by Marie Jaëll mentions this Liszt grouping? Is it “Le toucher musical par l'éducation de la main. Un nouvel enseignement artistique”?

[@horoffra]

I dont know, my teacher just told us that, but never saw it, will research a bit

[@horoffra]

Yes its in le toucher, just asked gpt

[@robertdyson4216]

I found the book in a readable scan on IMSLP totalling about 270 pages. Let’s see if I can skim through slowly and find 😐

[@robertdyson4216]

@@horoffra I should have thought of that - good work.

[@robertdyson4216]

More music notation than text in “Le toucher musical", so easy to work through. Lots of interesting comments on musical works. She has many Robert Schumann examples. Some discussion of grouping starts on page 38 of volume 3.

[@Yornek1]

I think the KZbin algorithm got it wrong bringing me to this page!!!! Way ABOVE my level 😓. I sense this is very good material for this meteoric level though….. 🚪 🏃‍♂️

[@horoffra]

Its for beginners too, except the last one

[@benoit1463]

Travailler toutes les gammes lentement et tout les jours. Travailler également les trilles, les sixtes avec les deux mains, les arpèges+renversement....

[@horoffra]

En effet 😊

[@benoit1463]

Et bien voir le passage du pouce pour jouer le plus souple possible (sans tension)​ avec une bonne posture @@horoffra

[@benoit1463]

​@@horoffraEt puis la technique ce travail aussi dans les morceaux

[@horoffra]

Il y a tant a faire 😊

[@jonathanwyble4227]

How about using Bach works as warmup and a subsitute for (some of your) technical work? Another pianist on KZbin suggested this. Goldberg Variations, for example, are extremely dense, like a musical parallel to artisanal German whole grain sourdough bread. It's not an original idea. Robert Schumann wrote "let [Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier] be your daily bread. Then you will certainly become a solid musician."

[@horoffra]

Great idea, other topic though

[@ariya950]

what's the difference between rhytm technique and group technique

[@horoffra]

Im explain this

[@christopherczajasager9030]

The manner of practicing tye 1st etude of Liszt is not slow...also...play without pedal😅

[@horoffra]

Im saying its no slow, but slow enough since i know the etude.

[@Amatteus]

This video is only valid for people who play other people´s music. Professional parrots. The first advice to everybody should be, "Go and understand how to make music and make your own music. All children should be taught this way and told: "You do not have to spend all your life being like a parrot and playing Chopin´s music. You can have your own voice, express your true emotions, be like Chopin, Bach, and many other composers, and make your own music.

[@horoffra]

Sure, do and show us, im watching you be like chopin 😊

[@bornaerceg9984]

Exactly!

[@Pseudify]

First of all, Chopin, Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, etc, they all mimicked great pianists and composers who came before them. Secondly, learning piano through a classical program is in fact a great way (probably the best way for many people) to learn musicality, phrasing, interpretation, and so much more that goes into making meaningful music. Thirdly, if you don’t know how to inject your own personality and style into a classical piece, then that is a serious deficiency of your own.

[@bornaerceg9984]

@@Pseudify Yeah, but thats already done today (interpreting old masters). Whats mostly not done is teaching pianists how to do classical improvisation/composing (partimento method).

[@helmusico]

One of the best comments on youtube and maybe internet