5 THINGS I HATE ABOUT MY NEW 2023 TOYOTA HILUX ROGUE // + Bonus Feature

Although I absolutely love my new truck, there are some things about it that could've been done better. Here are 5 things I hate about my truck.
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*This video is my opinion only. I am not a professional and anything I mention in this video is specific to my situation and are my thoughts.
#hilux #toyota #4x4
Keywords: Toyota, Hilux, Rogue, Ute build, truck, 4wd, overlanding, touring, supertourer.

[@user-oz2kc8vx7w]

Hey mate Only time my rogue leaks water in that exact spot is when i blast the hose in that corner , dealer warned me , too much water to go down the track into the drain at once , so i consiously hose lightly in the corners and no issues :) . Also you have roof rack tracks on your rolller lid rated to 90kg if you dont want to drill, just fitted quick lock removable rhino bars on the weekend , mint for carrying a swag :) . No one at the dealer new about in until i looked into the extra booklet in the owner manual books.

[@NorthOz]

Interesting. Mine leaks with rain but in the tropics, it rains hard. I’ll get Toyota to check it when I do the first service if yours is more water tight. I thought about a tray rack but how easy is it to remove the cross rails? If it takes longer than 5 minutes, I’m not interested haha. I like to keep it simple and save as much time as possible when switching between packing for camping and using the tray for projects

[@user-oz2kc8vx7w]

Definately less that 5 min . Unlock the side cover then lock/unlock the tabs with your fingers . Theyre Spring loaded

[@farmerjoe182]

Cairns monsson rain...

[@f.t.w1066]

Sounds like the Hilux maybe traded in soon, 😉.You pointed out some very good points there behind the game , not in it. Come-on Toyota.. Great video 👍👍👍

[@NorthOz]

They are little things but with these fixes, it would’ve made a big difference. I’ll still take the Toyota reliability and resale over my little whinges though

[@peterbartley7183]

Another problem is the Queensland number plates. They screen bad driver that sits in the O/T lane

[@NorthOz]

This might need more explaining

[@farmerjoe182]

Lol you dont have to come to Qld Petey 😂 we stay in the OT lane to get around the slow southies

[@sanitater3271]

Love the format, straight to the point. Very rare on YT nowadays, Awesome!

[@NorthOz]

Thanks mate! Cheers for subscribing too 👍

[@milesdavis8665]

Great Videos. I just picked mine up here in the Philippines yesterday. great truck. but small on the inside. Almost bought a new Triton but didnt feel like being put on a wait list to have one delivered to my local dealer. This new Hilux is very nice. I hope when they upgrade it next year it will grow in size in every dimension. including width and length

[@NorthOz]

I found the same. Congrats on the purchase my friend! The interior is very car like. Not much space and visibility is quite poor

[@milesdavis8665]

@NorthOz indeed. But it's quite fun to drive. The wider track definitely helps in that department. Like you, I sold my 2019 fortuner and just put down a chunk. This will probably be my last truck for a while. Or at least until I see what the 2025 will look like. And iT is massive width wise. Funding the middle of the lane is a bit of a fun task 😆.

[@milesdavis8665]

@NorthOz I also found that tackling curves is light work for this truck. I can take a curve at a higher speed than with my fortuner. One thing I don't like is the interface with the stereo. I used to be able to plug my ipod in and it would interface very good in the fortuner. Not with this new head unit. I have to use Bluetooth in this vehicle. Which is strange because all of my toyotas had a real simple plug in interface. It's like they took a step back. Or foreword

[@fooloco]

The older Hilux's were so much better with their packaging and cargo. I see these new ones in Mexico all the time and aside from the diesel powertrain and manual transmission there's not much else that would make me pick it over a newer Tacoma. I owned a 94' US version of the Hilux, known here in the states as a "Pickup" and it baffles me that these trucks are the successor to those older yet better-engineered utes.

[@NorthOz]

A lot of people hold similar views over here. But the price of clean second hand hiluxes that haven’t been thrashed are close to the cost of a new hilux. Time will tell how reliable these new hiluxes are but this model has been out for a good 7 or so years and no issues with reliability yet

[@crewzincool]

Not having the bolt holes in the roof really surprises me. Any installation there would have to be done right. I would struggle to trust any roof rack installer to do it right

[@NorthOz]

Spot on. Which is why I am not putting a roof rack on. I’ll do a cross rail rack but I’m not drilling into the roof

[@Squiz-qt9ec]

Get a set of Maxxis Razar AT811’s. Will completely change the look of your Rogue. good AT Tyre. I get mine next week and ive had racks fitted across the tub. Takes 2 minutes to take them off. Easy.

[@NorthOz]

I’ll look into the racks and the maxxis. Thanks for the recommendation. Congrats on your rogue! Welcome to the club 😎

[@Squiz-qt9ec]

I’m lucky I work for Toyota. I have a pic of the tyres on the rogue if your interested. Amazing difference.

[@NorthOz]

@@Squiz-qt9ec send them through to @northozphotography on instagram if you could :)

[@Timmy_94]

Look forward to seeing the things you like! I’m thinking putting an order in for a new rogue very soon, so I’m enjoying all the videos about the rogue! How do you find the sound system? I know it’s not a big deal but I do enjoy my music and I hear them keep talking about a premium sound system, I was just wondering how you personally found it?

[@NorthOz]

Thanks for the comment 👍 The sound system is good. I tried playing around with the EQ as I have setup sound systems in my last 3 vehicles, and I couldn’t get a better sound than the default setting. I don’t feel like I need an aftermarket speaker system. It sounds fine. I’m happy with it and I am a big time music and podcast guy 👍

[@Timmy_94]

@@NorthOz that’s great to hear that it doesn’t need a aftermarket sound system👍🏼 I look forward to taking the updated version for a test drive and hopefully get an order in soon. Keep up the videos! I don’t know if you’re aware or if it would be relevant for you but I have seen a few people put the rhino rack bars a long over the top of the rollershuter and put in a bike rack or even just a tie in the swag the free up some space in the tray. It looks like the rubber liner along the edge of the roller shutter can be removed and the rack and be installed on there!

[@reginalnaidu3571]

Kia ora. What size rims and tires would you suggest to make this look more aggressive? I'm aiming for a raptor like aggressiveness. I'm planning to buy this at the end of the year.

[@NorthOz]

Thank you 🙏 I would recommend the following based on what a subscriber sent me. Pics and specs look good: 18x9 POS 12 OFFSET TYRES 265/60r18

[@reginalnaidu3571]

@NorthOz THANKS!!! I'll write that down somewhere, mate. I know this is difficult to answer, but what do you reckon the average fuel cost has been like on it?

[@Norfaizan-wb5wx]

Reverse camera quality also like nokia N series 😅

[@scottbrodie2543]

I'm glad I bought a Ranger XLT.

[@NorthOz]

Congrats on the purchase mate!

[@seadoomania]

Toyota is way behind the ranger

[@RY4NP]

Is the engine excessively noisy like my 2019 Sr bucket of shyte

[@NorthOz]

A bit noisier than my Prado 150 but overall cabin noise is quieter than my Prado 👍 Thanks for watching and subscribing 😊

[@RY4NP]

@@NorthOz I have 2018 vx Prado also, both vehicles I bought new. I love the Prado, they are very nice cars. Good luck with your Hilux.

[@Norfaizan-wb5wx]

My ranger platinum is 10 years ahead of technology 😂😂

[@deanpattison3506]

Mate why did you buy the rogue in the first place, didn't you do your research before you ordered your ute. The hilux is over priced and there are better choices on the market for less money with better features.

[@NorthOz]

Good question mate. After comparing all of the vehicles available, the hilux still won me over. The reliability, resale and service was the pick for me. Jeeps have terrible resale, fords are having teething issues with their new gen vehicles (understandable), rams are too expensive and don’t fit on tracks, Isuzu’s are tough but ugly. Ultimately, resale is a big factor but I love the service up here. Toyota knock the others out of the park up here 👍

[@deanpattison3506]

@NorthOz yes I agree with what you say about other makes, and yes the rogue looks the part. It's just a shame that a respected brand like Toyota can't offer what other manufacturers do. All the best with your rogue and enjoy.

[@MrBonedr]

Many other issues. Simple things like: hard plastic cup holders that rattles, useless radio and nav dates back to 2012. Heavy stearing. Outo box that doesnt lock up and torque converter that constantly steal energy. Also doesnt know which gear to pick, espasially acellerating after speed bump. Locking up in low gear going downhill and being stuck there forever. Battle to get low range to engage, constantly beeping for not being able to. Disapointed in my purchace, consule myself in believing it is reliable and it looks beautiful,. Defnitly better looking than new ranger, what a cosmetic disaster!

[@NorthOz]

I’ll admit, it isn’t for everyone and if someone is after a hard core off-roader, maybe they should look into a 70 series. Overall, I’m happy with my purchase. Yes there are issues with build quality of the dash but ultimately it is a modified sr5 on the same chassis that has been used for a very long time. I bought mine because it just works. No bells and whistles and for me that was a big motivator. If people were after a luxury 4x4, then they should look elsewhere. I’m sorry you don’t like your truck. It’s all a learning experience and you now know what to look for in a vehicle. Best of luck with your vehicle hunt

[@bulldog9708]

Water leaking into the back isn’t really a nit pick. Pretty poor quality .

[@NorthOz]

True. I’ll get it looked at. Hopefully it’s just a faulty drain

[@dunk1]

XL or Xls trim on a ranger is better spec. If you are a Toyota fan boy it's a given you will buy a Toyota. No need to justify your purchase

[@NorthOz]

👍

[@golfpro5502]

Looks like a Nissan frontier to me

[@NorthOz]

Luckily it doesn’t drive like my old frontier 😂

[@Nfj800]

My math teach is gloated he knows everything about cars

[@NorthOz]

😆

[@joelopic]

What a disappointment for the money. To think that designers and engineers are getting paid to oversee and refine these projects. What a joke.

[@NorthOz]

A lot of oversights here and no one thinking about the customers and innovating. Small things like steps in the rear bar would go a long way for this vehicle

[@JF-di1nr]

Yuck Hilux.

[@NorthOz]

😂

[@rd6416]

Bad timing! I pick mine up at 4pm tomorrow!! 🤣

[@NorthOz]

Haha don’t stress. It’s a great truck 👍

[@dansawyer4692]

picking up our Rogue this week. Your videos are great advice. I am off to Bunnings to get some tie down tracks today!

[@NorthOz]

Nice Dan!! Have fun with it 👍

[@stevehogan723]

Good video buddy. Are you going to get all terrain tyres if so what ones. Been bloody waiting for my hilux for 7 months. Keep up the good work 👍

[@NorthOz]

The wait times are ridiculous! You’ll be stoked when you get it though. Like I said, they are minor things and not that big of a deal. I’m just being picky haha. AT tires will be up soon but I have to save up for a bit and I’ll use up the stock tires first. Otherwise, you get nothing for them on marketplace

[@aucklandtoday9847]

Your reviews are awesome. The full time review channels tell you how hard or soft the interior plastic is using a special hardess meter but never pick up on things you've pointed out. Come on Toyota🤣 I ordered mine here in NZ yest

[@NorthOz]

Spot on 👍 I live in the real world where I own these vehicles and use them as intended. I don’t care about the hardness, I care if it actually works. Congrats on the purchase brother. Welcome to the club 😀

[@marklandells]

The Rollatrac Is made by EGR. They have comprehensively tested against water ingress so you may have a fault in the installation or a kink in the drain pipes.

[@NorthOz]

I am aware of the brand and I’m not impressed. In 700kms of ownership, the track has jammed leaving the tub exposed until I fixed it and it leaks like a sieve. I don’t know what their idea of “comprehensively testing” is but it is vastly different to mine

[@cybermatstrikes7557]

300 series on order now?

[@NorthOz]

Haha not quite. Still happy with my purchase 👍

[@gusespe4458]

It’s not a truck it’s a Toy !!!! Lol 😂 😂

[@NorthOz]

Haha TOYota

[@4runner510]

On the roof of the Hilux if you lift up the black strips I believe there are pre-drilled holes that you can tap into

[@NorthOz]

All roof rack systems for the hilux require pop rivets or drilling through the skin in a plate sandwhich design. Unfortunately, no pre drilled holes are utilised in the hilux roof from my research

[@johnkorfiatis4876]

@@NorthOz correct, I just drilled my 2020 Hilux in order to put a roof rack. Not an easy process and you need to seal those holes with the appropriate material in order to avoid water leaking in the cabin as well.

[@manyuhahulisani2091]

I will admit, as a die-hard Ford fan ..... this rig looks so much better than the Hilux Legend we have in South Africa which is the Rogue to you guys😄😄😄😄...... but those wheels look smaller, its like someone startled it but I love this Rogue, it looks beefy🔥🔥🔥

[@NorthOz]

Couldn’t agree more. In my opinion, the nicest looking truck Toyota have built. Maybe tied with the fj45 and 79 series LC 🤔

[@stanleyngobeni1291]

In South Africa we call them Bakkies. So what I don't like about that Bakkie is also the mat at the back because I put heavy and dirty stuff, cements bricks, river sand, literally anything that can fit. Also the tires, I don't like them either, they are small. If Toyota didn't want us to damage the sensors, they should have put steal rear bumper then.

[@NorthOz]

Hi Stanley. I’m aware of bakkies! I have some South African friends so I call it a bakkie when I’m around them 😄 The rear carpet isn’t for everyone and I’ll likely change it out in the future. It isn’t a big deal, it takes 2 minutes to rip it out when you don’t want it

[@lukeamies8999]

Get an aluminum canopy and support the roof rack from that, no connections to the cab. Check out the Utemaster centurion canopy and cantilever roof rack. 👌

[@NorthOz]

I will look into that. I was looking at one but it needed maintenance and had leaking issues. If I go with a canopy it would be a side opening one as I could use the space better. I would remove the tub. I will do my research first though for sure

[@hihi122-n1t]

After having the hilux for a while do you like the Prado better? I check this hilux out and couldn’t find it in me to buy it it’s backwards and not up with the current competitors level

[@NorthOz]

I prefer the flexibility of a tray over the wagon. But I miss the ride of the Prado as it is a lot more comfortable and built better than the hilux for sure

[@Ooo-nu6ot]

Here in south Africa there's a company selling a kit that you fit behind the back seat so that you drop the back seat

[@NorthOz]

I’ll have to check that out. Do you know the name of the brand?

[@lespaulguit]

Hello. can you please give us an idea how the water is getting in the trunk? hope you figure out and share us the solution to this. Thanks

[@NorthOz]

I’ll let you know once I figure it out 👍

[@symonmyls9247]

These could have been addressed with the new ranger to be honest, plus the rogue is more expensive for some reason.

[@NorthOz]

Still not as expensive as the raptor but yes. More expensive than an xlt 👍

[@huzib.8623]

Toyota knew its all individual preferance. We all tend to add up many toys on it as we like and its good busineds

[@NorthOz]

Absolutely 👍

[@alexthetic]

You just put me off buying a hilux 😂😂😂

[@NorthOz]

Oh no! They are still a great truck though 👍

[@GeorgeN80]

Get a matte bonnet protector suit your car very well

[@NorthOz]

I’ll look into that for sure 👍

[@grantta7450]

Great vid, I've got my Saturn blue rogue ordered and hopefully arrives soon. I share your complaint about the rear bumper, BUT Toyota make a replacement steel rear bumper for the Hilux, it matches the premium bullbar. I've ordered mine with both. Looked at the fold out step but decided not to go that one.

[@NorthOz]

That’s good to know. What was the cost of the rear bar? Might be worth while upgrading. The front bar would be interesting to see. I haven’t seen one with a bullbar yet. Do you know if they use the same as the sr5? Or does it kick out to match the new over fenders?

[@grantta7450]

About $600 for the rear bumper.

[@jnrgriessel1340]

🤣🤣🤣🤣Thats TOYOTA for you mate.

[@NorthOz]

Haha every car has its pros and cons for sure 👍

[@jeffreyread2055]

Hi there, I just realized that there is no locking mechanism in the tailgate for Toyota in Malaysia. Is it the same for Hilux in Australia too or do they come with a lock. If there is no lock at the tailgate itself, then wouldn't it kind of be redundant installing a roller shutter cover for the bed to keep our stuffs secure ?

[@NorthOz]

It has a lock 👍

[@jeffreyread2055]

@@NorthOz Thank you so much mate. That means if I want to get this lockset, I would have to contact Toyota Australia dealership for it. One last question about your tailgate lockset, does it come with just the lock & key like on old vehicles OR does it come with sensor too, wherein press lock on the key fob, it automatically locks the entire vehicle plus tailgate ?

[@WWIIATTIC]

worlds coolest math teacher

[@NorthOz]

Thanks legend 👍

[@HSFAlex]

Did you have dash creak on the dashboard trim? I’ve got a 2022 rogue and it started doing this about a month in. Took it to the dealer, got it replaced, a month later started doing it again. Checked one of the brand new rogues in the showroom and it did the same thing.

[@NorthOz]

Interesting. I have the same creak. Is it in the middle of front passenger seat against the windscreen (or near it)?

[@HSFAlex]

@@NorthOz yeah mate, around about that location. Seems like it comes from the graphite coloured trim strip (not sure if it’s the same colour in the 2023 model). Tends to be more noticeable on hotter days or if the car has been sitting out in the sun. Especially going over speed bumps. My Toyota dealership refused to do anything more about it so, looks like I’ll have to pop it off and maybe pack it with something to see if that resolves it.

[@rossevans1774]

All the things mention were valid concerns. And the tiedowns in the back were needed but where are the tiedowns toward the front of tub? And why so much cheap & nasty plastic bulging?

[@NorthOz]

Hi mate, thanks for the comment. Not sure about the plastics but I don’t get the tie downs. Should be at least 2 on the cab side like the sr5. Not a big deal though. It took me 30 minutes to install a cargo tie down system

[@rossevans1774]

​@@NorthOz I'll try to clarify. The 'cheap & nasty plastic bulging' I refer to looks like an afterthought, the 'pumped out guards' are a cheap way of modifying the body to suit the new great wider track, sort of like the dodgy fragile plastic rear bumper you mention. The vehicle came with only 2 tiedown points '2 little loops that sit toward the rear of the tray', you installed others to toward the back of the tray 'flush with the floor', nice. There needs to be tiedown points toward the front of the tub on each side of the tray, do you think?

[@robward7662]

The worst thing in my book is no auto wipers, I bet the sensor is even in the glass it’s 2023 Toyota , and no step up the rear is a pain in the well rear.

[@NorthOz]

It’s a bit annoying not having the auto sensing but I always found them too sensitive anyway so not a big deal. It does have a rear step but I don’t trust it with my weight and you are right, I the sides of the rear bumper can’t be stepped on

[@robward7662]

@@NorthOz my daughter had a 2000 207gti had perfect rain sensing and yet Toyota 23 years later can’t . No rear step when taildoor down, I am putting tray slides in mine. I have had one since November and it definitely handles and tows better than the older version. In NZ your rouge gets a bit striped down no tow bar or anything on tray and sold as sr5 cruiser, but I think a better deal as all the stuff we don’t get you are going to take of bar the tow bar but I think our price may actually be better than yours.

[@dane-oy2ne]

Great vid. About the back seats, are you saying you can't pull them down to attach top tether straps to metal anchor points for baby seats?

[@NorthOz]

Thanks mate. You can’t pull the back rear down at all. The baby seat anchors are accessible without the pulling down of the back rest. I understand your question because most vehicles have the anchors behind the seat

[@dane-oy2ne]

@@NorthOz Awesome thanks for the info. I was worried I couldn't fit two of the baby seats in.

[@rd6416]

Toyota makes a retractable rear step that attaches under the bumper to your tow bar for getting into the tub. It costs $500

[@NorthOz]

I’ll sus that out. Thanks!

[@rd6416]

@North Oz I ordered one with mine, I'll finally get to see it tomorrow 🙌 Also great video..HOWEVER.. I kind of feel like we get enough Rogue/Toyota/Hilux hate videos in regular KZbin reviews. Speaking as a brand new Hilux owner I don't want to hear multiple videos about everything wrong with my recent $75K purchase. I personally am just focusing on all the stuff I like and I'm excited about just making the most of what my vehicle DOES have to offer. Anyone can pull apart any product if they try hard enough.

[@cdonuts7335]

I admire your honesty and am disappointed for you! I don't understand the Rogue with it's higher lift and wider track with those wheels? It's like Toyota had bigger plans but at the last minute though nah just put 18s on it! I just don't see the extra 10k compared to the SR5, you dropped a lot off the Subie as well 😬 shame your so far away who ever bought that got a bargain!!

[@NorthOz]

The wrx was a bargain but I’m happy what I got for it and it was time to move it on. I still love the truck but a few little things would’ve made it even better. Even the 18’s are fine but with a bigger tire would’ve been fine. By the time you get the sr5, it was only about $5k from my calculations. I think it’s worth it but each to their own 👍

[@rd6416]

@North Oz agreed. SR5's a year ago we're $65K for an Auto but they are over $70K now.

[@robward7662]

I have one here in NZ Definitely a much better vehicle than the sr5 especially if you are towing, not as floppy in the rear , the extra width and roll bar seems to make it much more planted on the road.

[@pteamg]

fair report!

[@NorthOz]

Thanks mate 👍

[@stampingtrails4367]

Surprise to see no fully fender liners around inner wheels. To much bare metal there . New FORD RANGER have, also solid steps behind and side back. I can also store aircompressor and things behind back seat, yes.. I admit HILUX resale value and proven old technology is still good if we thinking decades of future..

[@NorthOz]

Very true 👍

[@cliffhardie3341]

Very true, here in the uk it is a bugbear of mine, the same can be said for the prado 150 and 200 models, due to our weather they become rot boxes after a few years

[@stampingtrails4367]

Actually ,I bought Ford ute becouse it's ride like a limousine and great comfort.. and price low. I am Brit in Philippines. 25 K USD for my Ford ranger XLT 2023 new gen. 2 WD only, single turbo ,6 speed automatic.

[@Heisy0198]

Shoulda boughta ranger

[@NorthOz]

Haha not quite 😉

[@Heisy0198]

@@NorthOz 😂 haha, only joking! Awesome video as always. Love the content, thanks for making it!

[@jeffreyread2055]

Hilux comes standard with a 4 tie down points or anchor points. Perhaps your other 2 tie down points are hidden behind the canister for your bed cover. Plus if I am not mistaken, the back bumper lower section, where the number plate is, that is where you foot on to climb into the back of the truck. Not the sides.

[@NorthOz]

They removed the cab side 2 tie downs for the rogue. Yes, you can step on the rear (it’s not very solid) but you can step where I showed on camera

[@jeffreyread2055]

@@NorthOz I never knew that Toyota Australia had reduced the tie down points to 2 units only. Anyway regarding the small profile tyres in relation to the larger wheel arch now, perhaps it is a cheaper way of making vehicles this way. I am in the battery business and I noticed that manufacturers are fitting much smaller sized batteries on the production floor into new cars. During battery replacement and for the battery to have a valid warranty, we have to install a larger sized battery compared to what was fitted on the production floor.

[@robward7662]

So how do you get up when taildoor is down , they have changed the end of the bumper so you cannot step on it now, I have one it’s a pain in the proverbial

[@jeffreyread2055]

@@robward7662 Once the taildoor is door, going up is rather undignified. Back up and lift oneself until seated on the taildoor. Then turn around until both feet on the taildoor and slowly get up. I think the safer way for one to get into the tub, is to climb into the tub first by stepping in the center of the lowered section of the bumper. Once safely inside the tub, then open the taildoor and let it fall. With the hydraulic damper or tailgate assist, the taildoor will slowly come down.

[@robward7662]

@@jeffreyread2055 try doing that with a load of stuff that comes out over the taildoor, or even a couple of bikes, the corner of the bumper used to be a handy step, Toyota really didn’t think about this one, having said that it is a big step up from my old sr5 and tows much better with the wide axle and rear bar.

[@mohammadsattar5488]

For the roof rail problem it just popped in my head that I saw an advert for carrying bikes on the back of trucks or suvs and they used these new suction cups. They have been tested throughly and they seem to be a very good alternative instead of having to do something that cannot be reversed such drilling into the body so you might want to have a look at those.

[@NorthOz]

Cheers mate! That would be awesome. I’ll look into it

[@MikeJenkins-mi1zc]

Brought the GR Sports and I hate the fact the Cruise is to week on down hill, the digital speedo cant be viewed with the distance left on fuel, the duel heater work back the front, So Not a big fan of the Toyota