5 THINGS I HATE in Ship Modeling

[@Tagliamare]

What about you? 😊

[@fancreper]

I don't quite agree with the last point about 3d printing and CNC machines. The are many forms of art and just like how digital art can coexist with traditional art, model shipmaking can have it's own modern and traditional method of creation. These new technologies help beginners get into this hobby with little knowledge on how to do it. Someone might start with plastic kits and move on to wooden kits and eventually try their hand at custom designed ships. Most kits these days have plastic and metal parts that you don't need to make (deadeyes, pins, cannons, wheel, boats), and imo the build will still look very impressive in the end and doesn't take away from people who take the time to make these parts by hand. There are a lot of boring repetitive things in ship building and these parts make it less frustrating and the overall building process is more enjoyable, which is more important to me. The best part is that if you don't like metal boats, you are free to make them yourself. No one is forcing you to follow the exact instructions that come with your kit. Another thing to consider is the price of kits and their scale. Cheaper kits might be less detailed and their scale might not allow for beginners to add detail because of how small it is. I think this is where 3d printed parts are very useful. There is a model maker on youtube that does this really well called TomGrigat. Just look at his HMS Terror build, he uses 3d printed parts to make details on the ship very well in combination with wooden parts. He designed 3d models himself and I don't think this makes it any less impressive than someone making by hand. I think the reason why people might not like it is because people feel like they have been tricked or deceived by someones skill because they used a shortcut or a "cheat". Imo people need to look at it in the same way someone looks at digital and traditional art. No one is getting upset when someone uses a tablet to draw instead of a real bush, but people do notice that their method of creation is different and judge it in that way. They still put a lot of labor into creating it and just because it's a different category, it doesn't make it any less impressive.

[@tomt9543]

#5: YES!!! And that goes for more than just ship modeling! In the past year, I’ve stopped watching several KZbin woodworking channels that I’ve followed for years. Why? Because they pretty much abandoned manual skills and went full speed into CNC routers, 3D printers, lasers etc.. We each have our own tastes, and I love handmade vs CNC! That being said, modeling is a hobby, and if some wish to go down the electronic path, that’s fine, but I won’t be watching - or impressed………….

[@Guiltyme]

Nice point on the CNC. I hate to see a video of what you think is someone building something nice, just to learn its all 3d printed or cut with a machine, and just put together and maybe painted. Everybody can do that

[@Tagliamare]

It happened the same thing to me last year when I saw the pictures of this amazing arsenal model from a famous model ship builder. Then I learned it was actually all cnc made. Still amazing model, but…

[@jdwht2455]

I'm still pretty much new building ships but you did mention scale as one of your pet peeves. A couple items I see almost always out of scale are ladder treads and side stringers. Then gratings as mentioned. My other pet peeve is displaying a fantastic model with sales billowing - and nary a human figurine in sight. Shades of the Flying Dutchman. Planking - a work in progress for me and probably many others but I do start at the top

[@Tagliamare]

Billowing sails 👎

[@garyjackson1218]

I agree with you. My issue is building a beautiful sailing ship then obscuring the detail with canvas (sails). Or worse raising the gaff with no sail at all.

[@Tagliamare]

I agree with you on the first part. Raising the gaff in models without installing sails is common practice, it used for educational purposes for example. You can see a lot of models built in 1800 in museums built like that

[@Fulklenoir]

Dans l'ensemble je suis d'accord avec toi. Mais il faut surtout adapter la maquette avec nos connaissances et compétences. Pour ma part je rêve de faire une frégate française uniquement à l'aide des plans, j'ai la documentation mais je n'ai pas le niveau en particulier pour le bordage... Alors en attendant je monte des kits Amati pour m'exercer et développer mes compétences. Je te remercie car tes vidéos valent toutes les explications fournies dans les livres.

[@Tagliamare]

I am building la Belle from time to time, from the Boudriot monography. Arsenal building in very challenging, it needs knowledge, and it can only be acquired with time and practice :)

[@Fulklenoir]

@@Tagliamare je ne sais pas aux USA. Mais en France BOUDROT est une célébrité, tout ses livres font référence. Bonne journée

[@shipmodelideas]

Sorry for a longread :) It is interesting that you directed the conversation in this manner. I didn't anticipate this perspective from a ship modeler. However, as you mentioned, your viewpoint is naturally subjective. In my opinion, ship modeling embodies creativity. Creativity recognizes no limits or confines. The sole rule of the creator is - no rules. Of course - some will like your results, some not. If you have experience with CAD programs and 3D modeling, or if you have attempted tasks on a CNC machine, you would comprehend that there is no lesser degree of human effort involved compared to manual work. But there is merely greater precision and replicability. The decision to implement it or not resides with each individual. Furthermore, a good CNC machine is a substantial investment. Nevertheless, for instance, it stands as an indispensable tool for me. I find satisfaction in my pursuits, and my friends take pleasure in observing the outcomes. Regarding the remainder of your comments - I have one inquiry: is employing the term "hate" truly justifiable? Such language is unlikely to foster positive global change. We can merely showcase our methodologies and choices, and others can then choose to emulate our lead or pursue a divergent path - this remains the prerogative of each modeler.

[@Tagliamare]

Hi! Thanks for sharing your point, I understand that. CNC techniques can create indeed interesting opportunities, it’s up to each of us whether to use it or not. Ad Maiora ⛵️

[@xxavier5369]

At least it's clear, I didn't think for the sails and the little critters maybe to tint the sails with very very diluted oil paint could work to test.

[@Tagliamare]

I use Bitumen + Turpentine for tinting the sails. Here an old video on this topic kzbin.info/www/bejne/rZrdhmuZqa9lf68

[@xxavier5369]

@@Tagliamare Ok ! Merci.

[@thomashartl8073]

Thank you for the interesting video. I don't quite agree on the last point. If you plan a model from scratch and mill the frames and other parts with a CNC, you don't get more as a gift than those who buy a model kit. Why shouldn't a CNC, especially with a plan you digitized yourself, be just as legitimate as a model kit? I also see the 3D printer more critically and only use it where there is hardly any alternative. For example, to print a realistic crew in the right scale. I usually steal the models from computer games. 😀😀

[@Tagliamare]

If you compare that to model kits building it makes sense indeed. But can we say the same thing for arsenal model building? We can maybe say that there are two different school of thoughts.

[@g-kip]

Thanks for your video, some interesting points, I would have to disagree with your last point, you make models from kits, the kits are not hand manufactured, but by machines, ie Laser printers or CNC machines, the building process of the kits doesn't follow traditional methods at all, the only way this can be achieved is by scratch building from plans, (this is not a criticism as I watch all your videos) kits also don't tend to be 100% accurate, so making adjustments using readily available tools is sometimes needed, had 3d printers and cnc machines been available im sure they would have been used in the past, go 100 years into the future when model builders are using laser scalpes etc are they wrong to use tools of the day, I dont think so, we use what we have to hand to create the best models we can, thats the joy of model building.

[@Tagliamare]

I also make models from kits yes, but not exclusively. I understand your point thanks for sharing =)

[@grahortarg9933]

Hah. What I really hate in modeling is people who think that sanding and cutting a thin wooden sheet with a thin knife somehow represents the work people building the ships did in the past. Yeah, right.