5 Trains That Barely Escaped Being Scrapped | History in the Dark

[@HistoryintheDark]

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[@panttill3805]

Idk if you are aware N&W 611 was used on a freight train back in 2018 I think

[@geoffadams5537]

Ok. There was one particular loco In the UK it was a one off design. Designed by Robert Riddles. This particular loco would become a rarity. The B.R p8 4-6-2 pacific type. The duke of glouster. It's fate would see this magnificent peice of British manufacturing saved all accept the valve gear. Saved by the great Central railway in the mid 80s and with a bit of research the Preservation team managed to get the duke running better than when it was on B.Rs roster. Due to the blue prints for the ash pan

[@yeoldeseawitch]

please do a video on the history of Aeolus, CB&Q's streamlined Hudson that survived.

[@insertnamehere1258]

one that barely escaped was a 0-6-0 switcher used by the Baldwin Locomotive Works, No. 6, which was saved minutes before it was to be scrapped (the scrapper was getting his tools ready when it was bought)

[@harryjohnson9215]

There is a replica of olton hall In Watford

[@GP30_Foamer]

Those cutaways with Alfred Perlman had me rolling on the floor laughing

[@AdventureswithGeneral]

Should do a video "5 conversations with..."

[@stet_and_query_central_1]

*I WANT THAT STEAM LOCOMOTIVE DESTROYED*

[@TankEngineMedia]

Same

[@AndrewTheRocketCityRailfan4014]

“I’ve brought my CHAINSAW!”

[@AndrewTheRocketCityRailfan4014]

Alfred E Pearlman’s favorite weapon is a chainsaw

[@NorfolkSouthernRailfan754]

Did you know: the owner of the Thomas show tried to sue British railways for having a locomotive named Stepney, but later finding out that the locomotive was crated over a century before the show has its first episode

[@aviation_2009]

Actually they tried to sue the Bluebell railway

[@harrisonallen651]

“Stepney you lucky old engine, you’ve been saved! The Bluebell Railway has bought you.” Honourable mention to the Daylight, Hudson and Good Old Hogwarts himself.

[@FreedomLovingLoyalistOfficial]

Darkness, I think NYC 999 should have been on the list as it managed to escape Perlman's purge of steam locomotives thanks to it supposedly being the first steam locomotive to go 100MPH. This rare exception by the railroad is why it still exists today.

[@marcleslac2413]

Chicago museum of science and technology: "NO CHAINSAWS ALLOWED IN THE MUSEUM, SIR."

[@Rocker-1234]

I like to believe someone on the Bluebell Railway went rogue and left Stepney on the siding in an effort to save her.. hoping someone who cared would find her before Brittish Railways

[@kristoffermangila]

An honorable mention must go to Pere Marquette 1225. She survived due to 2 reasons: 1. Her equipment trust contract was still valid, so 1225 was not eligible to be scrapped at the time. 2.When C&O president Robert Eaton (the complete antithesis of Alfred Perlman) was looking for a steam engine to give to Michigan State University, there were 6 locomotives, all Pere Marquette Berkshires, that were in the old PM yard in New Buffalo, Michigan. He ordered the yard forces there to pull the first locomotive out of that line. That locomotive was 1225. And the rest is history. In a lot of ways, 1225 (plus sister unit 1223) has a lot in common with SP 4449: all were built by Lima, and all three were saved by sheer laziness.

[@michigandon]

Eaton couldn't stand the fact that locomotives that in some cases weren't even a decade old were going to scrap.

[@kristoffermangila]

@@michigandon indeed.

[@johnoneill5661]

I used to travel to London King's Cross every day for work and have seen Olton Hall a couple of times in her Hogwarts guise during filming at the station an absolute beauty.

[@Drockthe3rd]

The first standard gauge steam locomotive to be (privately) preserved in the UK wasn't Flying Scotsman or Stepney. It was Great Northern Railway (UK) 1247, purchased by Captain W G Smith in 1959, one year before the Bluebell Railway opened Replicas of existing locomotives include but are not limited to, Stephenson's Rocket, Locomotion, & Puffing Billy

[@harryjohnson9215]

The real rocket is in the National science museum or was it the national history museum? But she will never run again so they made a replica for that

[@Drockthe3rd]

@@harryjohnson9215 2 actually, one sectioned off at the NRM York, and the 1979 operating replica

[@thundercreekcustoms]

I find it personally hilarious that the NYC wanted to look “modern” and proceeded to green light the Penn Central Merger

[@fanofeverything30465]

It was only Alfred E Perlman who wanted to look modern and he wasn't really given a choice

[@southernpennsyrailfan8579]

Pere Marquette 1225 also narrowly escaped the Scraper’s torch

[@fanofeverything30465]

How

[@Billblom]

The 1218 was another engine that was saved because it was sold to be the boiler for an industrial plant... and was put back into service for excursions when found (and got a full rebuild..)--- The Norfolk Southern did a great job on her and with her... Now at the VA transportation museum.... When they shut down the steam program, the 1218 was in their Alabama shops in pieces. The new flues were used to build a gate for the property.

[@nak_0519]

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[@geoffadams5537]

I wish a couple of the LMS garrets could have been saved

[@ex48bw]

If I may proffer another lucky escape: LMS 'Black 5' No. 45305, having lasted in service with British Railways right up to August 1968, was sold for scrap to Albert Draper and Sons of Hull, England. Albert Draper himself decided to preserve one of the locomotives in the yard, and picked 45305 for no better reason than it was the cleanest... The engine was since named 'Alderman A. E. Draper' in his honour.

[@badkittynomilktonight3334]

Nevada Northern locomotive #40, the Ghost Engine, when WW2 broke out several of the oldest engines including #40 were consigned to be sold for scrap, but the engine house crews conspired to save #40, so under cover of night she disappeared, they moved her to an abandoned mine on an unused spur, keeping her from the scrap pile and hidden away until the war was over.

[@AndrewTheRocketCityRailfan4014]

The Mohawk part is the most rewatch-able part due to the funny mock scenes with Pearlman

[@kennethross786]

Graham Claytor did have a little extra pull with saving N&W 611 - his younger brother Robert Claytor was President of the N&W! It was only after both Claytor's passed away that NS ended the Steam Program. Another one that barely survived was SOU 4501. Claytor's predecessor at the Southern Railway, D.W. Brosnan, was almost as rabid in his determination to destroy steam engines as Perlman was at the NY Central. She survived because she was sold to the K&T Railroad in 1948. Like SP 4449, it was pure, dumb luck. SOU 4501 was one of three Mikado locomotives offered to the K&T, so it was the decision of the K&T Master Mechanic L.C. Bruce as to which one he wanted to buy, and he picked 4501. Doubtless TVRM founders Bob Soule & Paul Merriman would have bought one of the steam locomotives that Mr. Bruce had for sale when the K&T dieselized, but that small, seemingly inconsequential decision ultimately also decided which of the SR's Mikado's would live to see preservation.

[@fanofeverything30465]

So she survived the same way as 3001

[@bussesandtrains1218]

Note. Fenchurch turned 150 at the end of July and stepney is shunted into the museum and is not going to undergo an overhaul

[@nanowithbeans2511]

Jack holst is a very good man. The story between him and 4449 is like a sad boy and a dog movie (just that the kid dies instead). And damn, imagine being a famous celebrity just because you just happen to be in the RIGHT kind of scrapyard that did not just tear things down left and right.

[@fanofeverything30465]

I fully agree with both statements

[@VestedUTuber]

I think there's an ulterior motive for why the head of the New York Central was anti-preservation. You don't make money preserving old equipment like you do with scrap sales, especially if you charge above scrap value for any parts that may still be functional on their own.

[@marcleslac2413]

Fun fact alfred himself presented 2933 to the museum, That snickers did wonders! But i bet im his head it would be MUST NOT BRRRZZZZT

[@TheOriginalJphyper]

The Stepney brings up an idea for another list: Top 5 Oldest Operational Locomotives. I know the oldest is a tie between a pair of sister locomotives in India: Express and Fairy Queen, built in 1855. And no, the oft-cited John Bull shouldn't be on the list because it's no longer operational. It last ran 41 years ago. It might deserve an honorable mention, though.

[@srfurley]

Lion of the Liverpool and Manchester Railway (1838) survives, but is no longer operational. It was still running in 1980 for the 150th anniversary of the opening of the line, but I don’t know if that was the last time it ran. This is the old locomotive that was used in the film ‘The Titfield Thunderbolt’.

[@AmityBlightAndSP4449Fan]

You also mention for part 2 of this video, The Flying Scotsman, Bessemer & Lake Erie H1D 2-10-4 Texas #643, Norfolk & Western #1218, LNER V2 #4771 “Green Arrow”, and Chesapeake & Ohio 614 (it has been stored at the C&O Diesel shops in Russel Kentucky from 1955-1975 and was miraculously saved by the B&O Railroad Museum in Baltimore, Maryland and is still in its failed Greenbrier Presidential Express livery.

[@joenewstead4848]

Wrong. There are TWO SURVIVING Nashville, Chattanooga and Saint Louis steam locomotives. They are 0-4-0T's were part of the shop switches. They are privately owned and stored in a shed somewhere

[@Jeisr4207-bc5ui]

@@joenewstead4848 What about 4-8-4 #576?

[@joenewstead4848]

​@@Jeisr4207-bc5uiEveryone knows about 576. Thats why i didn't mention her. Not a lot knew about the other two. ​

[@oropendola01]

Probably the one that stood out to me the most was Nickel Plate 765's story. After she was retired, the city of Fort Wayne, IN was looking to preserve a loco at Lawton Park, with their candidate being the 767. The thing was that 767 was in terrible condition and was not well enough for preservation unlike 765. So Fort Wayne decided to do arguably THE WEIRDEST IDEA POSSIBLE and renumber 765 as 767, before she was renumbered back to 765 during her restoration. It makes 4449 look like a walk in the park

[@TankEngineMedia]

I’m happy that some steam engines from the New York Central got preserved and Alfred Perlman is probably rolling in his grave if he saw this (as a ghost)

[@nathancook1404]

There was a fun fact about 4449 that it was used in the 1986 Movie Tough Guys, As the Gold Coast Flyer which they steal and take it all the way to Mexico and crash it through the Mexican Border, Lucky the People in Hollywood built a prop replica locomotive in the place of 4449 to play the scene where the Gold Coast Flyer crash through the border and I'd readup somewhere that the prop Locomotive that was used in the Film was sold on auction on Nov/2rd/2019 for $130.00 Because it was in rough condition and was probably bought by someone who wanted to restore it or collect it, And I'm only guessing since Hollywood props endup getting collected or thrown away.

[@michigandon]

I heard that prop was stored in a parking garage somewhere out West.

[@RJSRdg]

As well as those in the video and 71000 mentioned by Billy Stanier, some other lucky survivors in the UK: GWR King Class locos 6023 King Edward II and 6024 King Edward I ('Kings' were originally named in reverse order beginning with 6000 King George V) were scheduled to be cut up at their 'birthplace' of Swindon Works, but the Civil Engineer needed something heavy to test a bridge in South Wales, so they were towed to Wales to test the Bridge, and rather than tow them back to Swindon, they were instead dumped at Woodham's. GWR saddle tank 1361 - this locomotive was regarded as the depot "pet", so it was a sad day when the order came that all steam locos remaining at the depot should be shunted into a siding ready to be towed away as scrap. 1361 was positioned at the rear of the line, and strategic bolts removed, so that when the line was towed away, 1361's buffer beam and coupling came off! As there wasn't time to repair it, the other locos were taken away for scrap, and 1361 was left for another day, which never came.

[@tonywilkins9616]

Someone needs to make a movie about a group of engineers hiding the last steam locomotive from Alfred Perlman

[@fanofeverything30465]

I might do it if I ever get the money

[@adventuresofamtrakcascades301]

4449 is my favorite steam locomotive in the whole globe

[@AtreiusLux]

I'm from the UK and I pronounce 'Lima' as 'Leema', though that's the model railway company not a full size loco works! Also the issue with getting Stepney back into running condition would mean overhauling the loco to the point where very little of her original parts (as you mention the frames which I believe are still the Victorian originals) would be left. it's an ago old preservation argument between having her operational and keeping as much originality as possible. Apparently Talyllyn's No.1 has almost nothing original left after she was sent away for her first overhaul in the 50s, the loco had been severely worn out to the point where she was an almost entirely new machine upon her return.

[@ZeldaTheSwordsman]

The A1s: Basically the ONE LB&SCR locomotive class to *not* be screwed over by grouping. The Terriers were old, but they were bloody reliable and soldiered on through thick and thin - troopers all. Stroudley did good work. You should do another of these, there's more close shaves. Like Duke of Gloucester. Also, Olton Hall needs to be stripped of the scarlet paint and returned to proper Collett green ASAP. Olton Hall would just about be better off with an exploded boiler than continuing to associate with that mess.

[@victoriamaynard722]

10:35 what came throught my head was this: some of the board members are walking through the yard then see smoke so they when there as there's tracks going into it and stepney is there just covered in filth, smoking a pipe whist reading the newspaper placed on his coupling hook obscured by the side of the shed

[@ABrit-bt6ce]

Somebody ticked Stepney off as sent to the scrapper and his subsequent box ticker made sure nobody went looking.

[@alanrogers7090]

Portland's Oaks Park is an amusement park. They put the locomotive as a place that kids could climb on and pretend they were engineers. That people took parts just shows that some peopke will take anything that isn't nailed down, whether they have a use for it or not. "Gee, that's odd-looking, I'll take it."

[@olly5764]

You don't get much more American than the Freedom train! You ought to look up British Railways class 8P "Duke of Gloucester" It plays to all the things you love. A one off loco built when a diesel would have been the better option, at a time when the writing was on the wall for steam, a great design messed up by BR penny pinching, steamed badly, was withdrawn far too early, had her cylinders removed for display in the science museum, was accidently sent to the wrong scrap yard, ending up at Cashmore's at Newport, who were ruthless in terms of scrapping locos, where as she should have gone to Woodham's at Barry, who kept withdrawn locos hanging around for decades while they chased the easy money of scrapping wagons. By pure chance, the mistake was spotted by a train spotter who was there to take photos, and rectified, however, the loco had had so much removed from her, she was seen as beyond restoration, along with King Class 6023 King Edward I and Jubilee class 5699 Galatea, however, all three of these "Impossible dreams" have been restored.

[@michaelpiatkowskijr1045]

What about KCS 1023? It's the only surviving KCS steam locomotive. It's also odd because it was rebuilt into a yard swicher. UP 844 is another great one. It became power for snow plow. It got used for an excursion train and it was so popular that it was kept for excursion service.

[@amtrakproductions-mx9ib]

Yeah 1023 was a baby steam engine, an 0-8-0, she was saved from scrap by the heart of the heartlands museum in corona Kansas, since she was built in 1906, she’s actually the oldest surviving KCS locomotive in existence!

[@michaelpiatkowskijr1045]

@@amtrakproductions-mx9ib 1023 is an 0-8-0 now. She was rebuilt in the 1920s. She was originally built as an 2-8-0. She was one of those that was rebuilt into a heavy switch engine after KCS got Mallets. I believe that engine switched Pittsburg until it was retired. Still, if I remember correctly, she is the only surviving KCS steam engine. Most of the steam engines were scrapped in Pittsburg.

[@Discontinued226]

What about Union Pacific 3977 and 5511 ? Cause at time when UP was retiring their steam locomotives UP 844 and UP 3710 (3977) were used for snow melting experiments Now she stays in Cody Park And 5511 has just been sitting in UP's roundhouse since

[@florjanbrudar692]

SP 4449, the first American steam locomotive I ever saw, preserved just because it was *first in the scrap line?* and 611 just because of good condition in an accident? I can't even... whaaaaat?!

[@stephenheath8465]

It is amazing that the ATSF was one of the earliest Roads to dieselize,but manage to preserve alot of their late steamers

[@adamtain7627]

I love your “illustrations” of Alfred E Perlman, I hate him with all my heart and you exaggerate him and his pro-scrapping obsession in the most hilarious ways😂🤣

[@redranger3742]

I actually saw the 3001 back in 2016 when I first visit the national New York central railroad museum and of course New York central is one of my favorite railroad

[@williamclarke4510]

2050 went to Armco along with two other 2-8-8-2 s, one under steam pulling the others. The spread a switch when they pulled into Armco's yard, which had very light rail. I'm not Shure 2156 was used as a stationary boiler, however, 1218 was.

[@jamessusong3182]

there's even a UP fef-3 that was saved from scrap in 1960. which is my 2nd favorite locomotive, UP 844.

[@fanofeverything30465]

What's your favourite locomotive 🚂

[@sxgamesert2030]

YEAH YOU SAID IT CORRECTLY THANK YOU!!!

[@GWIZZ2]

The Alfred Perlman skits are the best!

[@sabliath9148]

So, Stepney is the same age as the Eureka. Interesting.

[@CarolinaSpecial-No.1397]

Actually Stepney is 146 years old and Fenchurch is 149 and will be 150 in september.

[@TheRubberDuck]

One that haveuld of been a good talking point is GWR 3700 (BR (W) 3440) City of Truro: She was initially marked for disposal by the GWR in the 1900s1900's as they didn't want to be associated with old trains but as requested personally by the chief mechanical engineer Charles Collett specifically requesting that 3440 was to be preserved since she was the first locomotive to go faster than 100mph *Pre-dating Flying Scotsman (4472). Initially the GWR refused to pay out of their own pocket to preserve 3440, and as a result and negotiatingatings between Charles Collett and the heads of the Great Western Railway she was donated to the LNER and moved on the 20th March 1931 from Swindon Works to the LNER's loco depot York, that is know where the National RaMuseumMuseam resides. That's not where her tail ends as when she was moved to York she was put on display as a sign of good faith between the two railway companies during World War II but due to York being a bombing target by the Nazis' she and other locomotives of significant importance were moved to the countryside. 3440 was moved to the Sprouston railway station, which was a small railway station that housed some engine sheds for the local Scottish services once the War had ended she was then moved back to the LNER's railway museum in York (The NRM) until 1957. In 1957 she was then reintroduced into service by British Railways (W) for use on special services and regular services on Didcot, Newbury and Southampton lines only, based at Didcot, she lasted there until 1961 only 4 years of service with BR (W) before being retired and withdrawn again in 1961 and in 1962 she was then moved back to Swindon Works Museum (situated inside what is now left of the Swindon Works) where it stayed until 1984 as a stationary exhabit engine. In 1984 she was restored again in time for the Great Western 150th Anniversary and was returned to the now established National Railway Museum in York for special excursions on the main line, in 1989 she was exported to the Netherlands for 6 weeks to represent Great Britain for the 150th celebration of the Netherlands Railways, although she wasn't the first locomotive picked as 4468 Mallard was scheduled to go, however, this was cancelled due to Mallard failing a boiler test so the City of Truro went in her place. Due to her again now just like older locomotives she's been put on static display due to a suspected crack in her boiler and from what I am lead to believe it's not possible to repair they did attempt fitting new boiler tubes to cure this some years ago but unfortunately didn't fix the issue and the only way for her to be put back into steam both for preserved lines and mainline excursions would be a new boiler but due to her age plus the age of the rest of her components, it was concluded by the NRM for her to stay as a static engine due to the cost and practicality of this. As a result, she's now back at what's left of her place of birth Swindon Works Museum or what's left of it due to the Council not interested in preserving their heritage, which at the time of the works functioning was where the GWR built their carriages. For now, she and GWR King Class No.6000 are on static display and will be for some time.

[@fanofeverything30465]

Not exactly a pleasant fate

[@williamsquires3070]

I find it odd that - of all the preserved steam locomotives (in the U.S.A. anyway) - a lot of them are the 4-8-4 wheel arrangement. #4449 & #611 (both covered in this video), the A.T. & S.F #3751, and the U.P. FEF-3 #844 are all Northern-types. Weird, huh? 😉

[@michigandon]

4-8-4s also make popular fantrip engines due to their mix of power and flexibility to operate in many places.

[@TonyFleetwood]

It's Leema in the phonetic alphabet. I'm with you, Lyma is for beans, Leema for everything else!

[@PiersDJackson]

Just a confusing thing here about the locomotives vying for the role of the "Hogwarts Express" locomotive. As mentioned the original promotional locomotive was ex-SR 21C127 Taw Valley (a modified West Counties class - without the "Spam Can"), the one chosen for filming ex-GWR Hall class 5972 Oulton Hall (and her older sister 4920 Dumbarton Hall, in Tokyo). Other contenders for the film were one of the eleven operating LMS Black Fives, ex-LMS 6233 Duchess of Sutherland, ex-BR 70000 Britannia, ex-BR 73082 Camelot, ex-BR 75014 Braveheart or 75029 The Green Knight, ex-LNER B1 (6)1264, ex-LNER B12/3 (6)8572, ex-GWR 5029 Nunnery Castle, ex-GWR 6024 King Edward I, ex-SR 35027 Port Line.... The preferred option was for either GNR No.1 (Stirling Single) or ex-Midland 673 (Spinner) or 1000 (Deeley Compound)....

[@ktipuss]

The story of Alfred Perlman sounds similar to what happened in New South Wales when steam hater the late Philip Shirley took over the "Public Transport Commission" in 1973. He decreed that no steam locos would be accepted on the Commission's books when he took over. That had two consequences: they weren't, and also it created an instant shortage of motive power for Hunter Valley coal trains which still had many 50 Class steam locos of WW1 vintage hauling them at the end of 1972. That gave him the excuse to start taking diesels off long distance rural trains onto the coal trains, which caused cancellations of services which in turn reduced patronage. And of course that led to curtailing and closure of many regional stations, and eventually lines. It should be no surprise that Shirley was a disciple of Dr Beeching. Diesels were the "modern dynamic image" and steam was "ancient, morale-destroying", according to Shirley. He was probably responsible for the Commission not taking over Sydney's last steam ferry, the S.S. South Steyne. It was built in Scotland in 1937 with engines by Harland and Wolff (of "Titanic" fame). Instead he retained a much older diesel-electric motored ferry built in 1913. So yes, Shirley hated steam on water as well as steam on rails. Shirley couldn't touch private steam lines, the last of which, the Richmond Vale Railway, ran only steam until the line closed in 1987.

[@steam4eva]

A few extra retired steam locos were saved because of Philip Shirley's change in policy, as he wanted them all gone off the NSW railways ASAP and didn't care who bought them. Previously, all redundant steam locos could not be purchased by groups or individuals. Before Mr. Shirley came along, other than those officially preserved by the NSW Rail Transport Museum, all other steam locomotives had a one-way ticket to the scrap merchant. But I agree HE HATED STEAM of all forms and the sad thing is he didn't make the NSW railways more profitable, the job he was supposed to do!

[@ktipuss]

@@steam4eva The Zig Zag Railway at Lithgow couldn't get hold of the 50 Class locos they wanted because of the NSWGR's policy of bequeathing only to the RTM. That's why they acquired narrow gauge Queensland locos (and S.A. rolling stock) instead. I suppose they could have got hold of a couple of 50 Class in 1973 but that would mean dual gauge track, and also $$$ in expenditure which they didn't have. The other rail societies could have been more politically pro-active prior to 1973 to persuade the then Askin Govt to release some locos to them, but a lot of their membership (as was also in the RTM) were railway employees who had to keep an eye on future job promotion not being thus jeapardised!

[@hurstinator]

South Eastern railway 01 too. Was being scrapped when preserved by private owner. Then split up in the early 80s until restored in the late 90s.

[@fanofeverything30465]

Talk about cutting it fine

[@hurstinator]

@@fanofeverything30465 they had cut the motion ready, but that is as far as it got. The 01 has quite a lot of history and was the last South Eastern Railway loco left at the time. Railway Life at Ashford By Gordon Turner states the following "thought was given to possible preservation whilst stoed in the Ashford running shed and later the works. Finally it was decided that the expense and difficulty of returning it to its orignal condition, having a wainwright rebuild was too great and an order was issued for it to be broken up. Before this could occur a saviour appeared...."

[@fanofeverything30465]

​@@hurstinator It's a figure of speech

[@the4tierbridge]

Can't wait for merch of the sponsor train!

[@Alpha-oo8]

Stephensons rocket is an engine that survives but still has a replica. Understanble, considering the rocket is the original locomotive (well not the original exactly, but the one that all future engines owe their roots to)

[@fanofeverything30465]

I was going to comment this at some point 👉

[@emagenevanhorn1543]

The Mohawk one made me laugh with the two guys and the boss

[@williamnichols467]

The old American Steam locomotive, the John Bull, is still around, but it too has a replica made

[@OldEngine_25]

Just imagine if I had a railway in my country try I would decide locomotives only and not diesel units

[@F4productions4072]

I wish that 5629 was still here to this day

[@fanofeverything30465]

We all wish that but that's not to be

[@F4productions4072]

I guess your right :(

[@fanofeverything30465]

​@@F4productions4072 Sorry to be so blunt

[@StickwithBrooklyn]

some J classes, like 605 and 606, were unstreamlined at one point.

[@GSMRFan]

Well New York Central kept some 0-6-0s to preservation too

[@amtrakproductions-mx9ib]

New york central was like another railroad that being kansas city southern, William jr the president of the railroad didn't want any steam locomotives from his railroad to survive like Perlman he thought that if any survived it would make the railroad look old and outdated, well almost all of the steam engines on KCS was scrapped except for an 0-8-0 switcher, that being 1023, she was retired in 1955 and was saved by the heart of the heartlands museum in corona kansas, today 1023 is still on display at the museum, not only she's the only survivor of her class, but she's also the sole surviving KCS steam locomotive and the oldest KCS locomotive in existence, she's actually my favorite 0-8-0 of all time, not to mention KCS existed from 1887 until 2023

[@TheRojo387]

This looks like a real-life, darker version of Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends.

[@niceeli2749]

NYC had enough 16:53 18:57 20:34

[@crystalrock18]

Kinda makes you wonder if any of the offspring of Alfred Burman are around to see our boy “darkness the curse” just roasting him. If so……eh oh well I find it funny.

[@fanofeverything30465]

*Perlman

[@crystalrock18]

@@fanofeverything30465 whoops, thank you though for correction.

[@fanofeverything30465]

@@crystalrock18 No problem 😊

[@jesseusgrantcanales]

According to a comment; ironically Perlman presented 2933 to the museum, so somehow kindness gained control on him despite his raving anti-Steam fervor.

[@comicfan1324]

18:57 MISSION: FAIL! WE’LL GET ‘EM NEXT TIME!

[@thatotherguy7357]

Just ask James about wooden brakes catching fire

[@AnLMSengine]

cant believe fenchurch is 150 yo and stepney is 147 these tankies arent old their ANCIENT

[@fanofeverything30465]

They're very ancient

[@edwardvincentbriones5062]

Fun fact: 4449 had actually appeared in a movie, believe it or not. I just dont remember what it is so, you have to guess.

[@RailheadProductions]

Tough guy's

[@noahgallant2753]

Ah the Hall class loco that thought it was a Castle class loco 😂

[@bwallace5945]

SP 4449 the only surviving SP 4-8-4? What about SP 4460 at the same museum in MO where NYC 2933 ended up.

[@fanofeverything30465]

She's still the only surviver of her class though

[@christinahartley209]

3 mohawks a tender from an l3b survived

[@kevwebb2637]

When you do the next top 5 locomotives, I suggest adding the Ford Willys (Willys MB). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeep_train

[@fanofeverything30465]

There's got to be some diesels that barely escaped being scrapped

[@harrisonofcolorado8886]

20:22 "Either way someone made the decision." Oh boy, how do I tell him?

[@Bendy_devil_darling]

I think Sierra 3 was saved from being scrapped by from ww2 and Hollywood movies

[@gavrail9568]

I’m proud to say I have seen 3001 in person

[@dabluepittoo-aqua4213]

What's with engines saved from scrap appearing in movies and TV shows? First Stepney, then Olton Hall. Whoever will get international fame next?

[@yorkshirebloke7212]

The Bluebell Railway Named after the Bluebell flowers that grow near the tracks. Was not the first steam passenger heritage railway in the world, the first was the Middleton Railway, Leeds, West Yorkshire, In June 1960 the first Passenger train ran using unpaid volunteers. This Railway goes back to the 1750s as a wagonway, where horses would haul wagons on wooden rails. The first steam Loco was Salamanca built in 1812 Named after a famous British victory over the French in Spain in 1812. Coal from local coal mines would be transported by the railway to Leeds then put onto barges on the river Aire, were the Coal would be sent all over Great Britain. Also, the first death on a Railway in the world was in 1813 when a young lad 13-year-old John Bruce was killed in February 1813 whilst running alongside the tracks. The Leeds Mercury newspaper reported unsympathetically that this would "operate as a warning to others".

[@Barracudo11109]

Flying Scotsman would have been a great choice but I think it would have been too long of a video lol

[@TheRoyalScotsman6100]

Ok I’m gonna ask the question I asked in the chat that never got answered, why didn’t you use Stepney's TTTE theme for Stepney's segment? And before you say copyright, I’m afraid that excuse won’t fly for Stepney: you managed to use a rendition of BoCo's theme before, so why can’t you do the same for Stepney?

[@HistoryintheDark]

I’ll be honest: I kind of blanked on that. If I talk about him again I’ll be sure to do that.

[@TheRoyalScotsman6100]

@@HistoryintheDark Oh! Well, that happens sometimes.

[@danielmkubacki]

So cool!

[@tacticalcalebgaming7264]

My favorite steam loco 15:27 The Mohawk that wouldn’t quit meme

[@Francisco_Salonga]

The Prr S1 should of Bin restored.

[@kylemaccauley6065]

Odd I thought 611 came to see her company cousin 475 aka rainbow sun

[@HistoryintheDark]

Well, I mean, that was probably another reason to attract tourists to see them together. Though the main thing was 611's inspection.

[@kylemaccauley6065]

@@HistoryintheDark oh ok just one day I went past and I saw 611 for the first time and I was wondering why she was doing there and I thought strausburg railroad bought her and I’m like hang on their pockets aren’t that deep but for another reason now I know

[@nikolaschilcote4031]

What's the song in the beginning?

[@verstehenrefulgente4993]

You’re wrong there’s one southern pacific GS 4 in a museum and that is 4460

[@mikehawk2003]

4460 is not a GS-4. It's a very different locomotive.

[@harryavit8825]

Don't put pere marquette 1225

[@samuelbenge524]

How about the Southern Pacific GS-6 #4460. Anybody reading this comment, please donate what you can toward helping the #4460 back on the rails!!!

[@fanofeverything30465]

What's all that about

[@samuelbenge524]

@@fanofeverything30465 The Forgotten Daylight should be remembered don't you think

[@fanofeverything30465]

@@samuelbenge524 Absolutely 💯

[@davidgrenis638]

WHAT'S FUNNY IS YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT IS IT THE GREAT WESTERN HERE IN COLORADO AND THROUGHOUT MUCH OF THE WEST THERE USED TO BE A GREAT WESTERN RAILROAD THAT WAS USED MOSTLY THE HALL SUGAR BEETS AND THEY HAD TRACKS RUNNING EVERYWHERE BEFORE THERE WERE ROADS THEY WERE LOADING SUGAR BEETS OUT OF PEOPLE'S FARMS DAVID ADAM GRENIS BOULDER COLORADO USA

[@ethanspaziani1070]

Should we run now?

[@buecomet831]

This is gonna be a good one. Still can't believe 4449 and 611, two of the best streamliners saved from scarp, were almost about to be scrapped.

[@FreihEitner]

So happy they were saved, though! Whatever the reasons.

[@sawspitfire422]

Really is a good thing neither of them were scarped, the world is better for it

[@aplane9625]

U mean scrapped

[@buecomet831]

@@aplane9625 yee

[@Thetrainfan-o1l]

4449 and 611:OI DON'T TRY TO SCRAP US STUPIDYS WE HOPE U DIE WE ARE STREAMLINED STUPIDYS DON'T TRY TO EVER SCRAP US AGAIN👿

[@chillybean08]

The hogwarts Castle in Japan is not a replica, but Olton Hall sister 4920 Dumbleton Hall. 4920 is the oldest surviving member of her class

[@TheRubberDuck]

Correct, 4920 Dumbleton Hall was purchased by West Coast Railways from my local heritage railway, South Devon Railway in Buckfastleigh, it was understood at the time that 4920 was to be restored for mainline excursions and much to the upset of many it was then discovered that West Coast Railways sold her to Warner Bros and sent her to Japan after a quick lick of paint into the Hogwarts Express, removal of her original "Dumbleton Hall" plates and had the "Hogwarts Express" name plates put on before being sent to Japan. It's a shame as she was a good candidate to be restored back into working condition as she was last used in the late 1990's.

[@Flopps480]

Something tells me they chose him because of the name alone.

[@Napicsonic]

well great now besides the old jr locomotives that were purchased form Britain we now have an actual loco form the 20s or 30s from the gwr I wonder now about how the workers will treat her and if she would ever be steamed

[@javanicworks-id]

That's ridicilous! #bring4920backtoUK

[@jordandorsett3106]

DUDE THAT'S AMAZING

[@AtkataffTheAlpha]

Flying Scotsman barely escaped being scrapped as well twice. Once for the dieselization of the UK and on tour in the USA after Alan Pegler went bankrupt. There's also a 9F that was built to be not scrapped. That being Evening Star. And actually, there's a tender of one of the New York Central Hudsons still around (hopefully). It has been turned I think into a steam generator or office.

[@insertnamehere1258]

also one that barely escaped was a 0-6-0 switcher used by the Baldwin Locomotive Works, No. 6, which was saved minutes before it was to be scrapped (the scrapper was getting his tools ready when it was bought)

[@TheRubberDuck]

You could always include here that Scotsman when running with her second tender is pulling behind her a dead A4 all the time, as it was originally from either A4 class "Kingfisher" or "Lord Farringdon" which was to be preserved but failed and the locomotive front got scrapped and all that was left was the tender.

[@harryjohnson9215]

4472

[@amtraklover]

That NYC Hudson tender was converted into an auxiliary water tender

[@DAVEGADGETBOY]

There’s also the one of a kind BR standard class 8 no 71000 duke of Gloucester.

[@nicolashuffman4312]

I got to be a 'guest fireman' for the 611 for a completely reasonable fee. I can't tell you how cool an experience it was. The chick who was showing me how to run a steam loco pointed out the sight glass for the water level and remarked, "If the level drops to the bottom, we all die!" I kept a good eye on that sight glass. I did pooch the draft valve briefly. There are guys with diesel pickups who think they know what 'rolling coal' is. They have no idea. I managed to make a monstrous cloud of black smoke. Anyway, if you get the chance, go do the thing and support a historical locomotive. I didn't think I'd ever see 611, but I got to be in the cab and work all the valves!

[@EstorilEm]

I absolutely loved chasing her around some of the historic rail towns out here in northern VA the first year she was returned to the mainlines for excursions, it was in June and my birthday is 6/11 lol. And yes I’ll never forget how weird it was to have coal ash / embers falling down on my hair and my car as she blew past us! I understand why many are converted to oil, but damn if it isn’t cool that she still burns coal!

[@fanofeverything30465]

Well done 👏

[@brentboswell1294]

I first saw the 4449 in 1976, at the age of four, in El Paso, Texas, pulling the Freedom Train. I remember being in the car with my mom, and the crossing gates coming down on the Santa Fe tracks, and seeing it go by 🙂 No forethought or planning, just being in the right place at the right time!

[@HeavyTanker-vx4oq]

I do hate to be that guy. But 611 wasn't saved due to her Condition. She was saved due to the fact she was in the front of the Queue in Bluefield West Virginia where the last surviving Js were being stored before they were going to be hauled off for scrap. They simply backed up and coupled to the first engine in the line, which was 611. While yes she was in better shape than most, It wasn't her condition that saved her. Just a coincidence. Now later, it was Claytor that convinced them to donate 611, But that was after the whole end of steam excursion thing that Norfolk and Western had done with 611 was complete. Claytors whole story is over done to make it seem like HE personally saved 611.

[@NW-gi1cp]

Same thing with me I was used as a stationary boiler until I was found and restored. 😔 Still makes me wonder why n&w kept steam for so long but when they finally gave up they almost killed off their entire fleet of steam....all of that for nothing...I'm just glad we still have some n&w equipment that isn't diesel around 😌

[@AtkataffTheAlpha]

N&W's coal supply was very high at the time so they kept using steam until finally diesels won. The key thing is that their cargo had lots of coal itself

[@fanofeverything30465]

Hello 1218

[@MirkoC407]

Fun fact - Olton Hall has now worn the fictitious Hogwards Maroon livery longer than any of her real operations liveries in BR times.