500 HP Caliber SRT-4 vs. 360 HP Neon SRT-4 | MAX Torque Steer

Welcome back! Today we're driving a Mopar Stage 3 Neon SRT-4 which turns out to be a great complimentary daily-driver when sat next to a 500HP Caliber SRT-4. Enjoy!
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[@RoadsUntraveled]

Sorry about the audio! Should've used the lav mic instead of the shotgun :/ Hope you enjoy it anyways! Also... Taylor's car recently dyno'd at 358 whp and 346 lb/ft, proving our instincts to be correct.

[@CsRt40511]

What wheels does the Cali got? Been looking for some for mine, I like those a lot.

[@taylorsombathy]

@@CsRt40511 Chrysler 300 wheels iirc

[@RealBearFace]

Dawg, Neons are so lethal. I jokingly pulled up on one on the highway in my FBO FoST and he looked stock l-ish save for some wheels. We lined up and on three this Mfer took me to gapplebees for a full course meal dawg spittin flames. I was laughing the whole time, I'm never under estimating Neons again

[@taylorsombathy]

Still takin out V8's 😉

[@TheFearlessFinisher]

Anything with an SRT badge is going to show you some taillights at some point

[@TheYellowCarGuy]

Best budget car ever made.

[@RoadsUntraveled]

Yeah it's up there... The Neon's torque is crazy for the money

[@christopherbassit2757]

@@RoadsUntraveledup there? Name a better one

[@isaacmedina2957]

Cobalt ss are amazing platforms too ​@@christopherbassit2757

[@frameofmind229]

​@@christopherbassit2757mazdaspeed 3

[@starfox_wr-45e93]

All my American friends could never understand my love for the SRT-4's. 🤣 I think as a European, it's just in my blood to love a Turbo hot-hatch. I'd love to get my hands on one of these one day.

[@GabrielPerez-p5c]

"The Trans is the weak point of this car" That is kinda a distortion of the truth. You have a Front wheel drive very torquey car that can EASILY put 500hp to the wheels with just a clutch. PVO chose the T350 because its the only Trans Dodge had that could handle the Daily Torque put to it. When you ask Daily driven nSRT-4 what trans do they have they rarely swap the trans for anything besides the SRT trans. Sure I needed Billet/stronger input shafts when I got over 500 Whp but saying the trans is weak. Isn't really the whole story

[@whitenoise5161]

My dad's got an 04 SRT-4. He's had it since new. Still under 100x KMs on it. All the mods are the Mopar factory upgrades along with BC coilovers. I'm confident it's one of the best SRT-4s in the country.

[@7Logik]

Who's your dad , what color does he have

[@whitenoise5161]

@@7Logik Silver. It's a Vancouver Island car.

[@taylorsombathy]

@whitenoise5161 Hell yeah bro we're in the lower mainland

[@defyyourlogic487]

KM? Shouldn’t be allowed to own a dodge

[@plankythepirate5231]

My dad has the first srt-4 swap in a dodge neon that wasn’t a srt recorded at dodge thang was fasttt

[@robertrey6089]

Been daily driving my 426whp nsrt4 for about 6 months now. I gotta say its a lot of fun! With a stage 4 clutch it is taxing when traffic gets heavy, which is rare for my commute, and the roll up windows in the back are kind of a bummer, other than those two things im very very happy with the car

[@taylorsombathy]

Hell yeah bruther, thanks for having me on!

[@RoadsUntraveled]

Absolutely. Let's do it again

[@KseriesKyle]

Man I miss my neon. I owned 2, one being stock turbo and the other a 50 trim. Once you own one of them you get the hype.

[@DarkLordDeimos]

Great video. I love my stock 2005 SRT-4, can't imagine how fun an extra 100+ horse would be! You really hit the nail on the head regarding the experience, I always refer to it as "visceral", the feel is unmatched compared to most other cars. P.S. I can't get over how crisp and clear your video quality is. Absolutely beautiful.

[@taylorsombathy]

It's really really fun 😅

[@alexanderrayner4230]

Bro I bought a stage 1 srt4 tore out the stock turbo put in a 50 trim big turbo with 1000cc injectors and I simple tune with diablo. Easy 400 hp on cost efficient parts. Just an idea if ur interested. It was the best cost to power route

[@Rzn8B58]

you gotta try an e85 tuned srt4. wheel spin all the way through 2nd at wot. I run bfgoodrich comp2 as on mine and I love those tires. Fun fact : the t850 transmission came from a short bus. Boost by gear is a good thing for this car.

[@Veshon]

Mine spun through 3rd on 91 (mopar stage 3 with 47lb wheel) with those tires on 245/40/17s lol

[@Thesinisterpimp]

I miss mine too. I also had a stage 3 Mopar turbo and it was on E85. It was a fun dyno queen. 380 hp with 480 ft lbs of torque. It spun the wheels in 3rd gear. Fun fact the Stage 2 and stage 3 kits were factory options that the dealership could install and warranty.

[@TheFearlessFinisher]

That’s immediately a no traction car at that point .

[@bluebeastsrt]

I had that exact car. It was such a little monster. I could bolt on a set of slicks and run with corvettes and cobras at Atco raceway. If I ever hit the lottery I’ll restore an electric blue stage 3 SRT-4. And it’ll sit proudly next to my Lamborghini & Ford GT.

[@ForzaPulls]

I used to have a Garrett 60-1 MPX Downpipe and exhaust Neon SRt4 , now have a Caliber SRt4 and Mustang GT. I want another Neon just for the sound.

[@GerardoRodriguez-bg8em]

I have both... very good. even a PT Cruiser GT❤

[@claysmell]

have a love/hate relationship with my SRT4 ACR. 3rd gear synchro is now shot in the replacement trans after the first one literally blew a hole in the side - wasn't even beating on it. have yet to solve a roof leak, even after siliconing the front windshield and sealing the sunroof shot, etc etc. there is an endless supply of squeaks and rattles. replaced the brakes and caliper fronts at least twice. the engine is a beast, dyno'd at over 300hp to the wheel, but the after-market clutch can't handle it (okay that's probably my fault, but christ man...)

[@wealthworldexchange4u200]

Trying to get my SXT to SRT4 Standards. Nice under the hood views and components.

[@mk3fordfocusRS]

Anyone else see that white 05 Neon SRT that just sold for 35k on Cars and Bids??!! YEAH INSANITY IS ABOUT RIGHT 😳

[@1221Ralph]

It did not. It didn't reach reserve. The seller is a guy named Will Ramos that wants 100k for it.

[@mk3fordfocusRS]

@@1221Ralph damnnn... its like the kid who peaked in high school, you gotta let it go bud. Yeah it's a nice unique 4 banger but 100k? C'mon 🤌

[@1221Ralph]

@@mk3fordfocusRS Yup. He got it for 25k and thought he could flip it for 100k. Hasn't happened and ain't happening. He's also infamous on the srt community for overpricing used parts.

[@XBLWaur]

@mk3fordfocusRS I wouldn't say insanity. It was the lowest mile, and rarest trim package srt4 model ever made. Around 200 CE's were built. Not only was it rare in that sense. The miles as well, was a contributing factor.. it had a 126 original miles on it. These cars built can fetch upwards of 10 to 20k or more easily..depending on build statistics. So seeing that isn't too nuts. It sounds nuts when you don't know the cars and the community. That's why it sounds crazy because you're not familiar with it.

[@eivindzz6820]

i cant get enough of this😍

[@anthonywilson1716]

Love this video. Ill never sell my CSRT4, THEY ARE SUCH GOOD CARS!!!

[@ghhhp]

was looking at one when i was 18 they wanted $575 a month for insurance cuz i was a male teenager in a “race” car 😢😢 sadly never got one at the time and i’m kinda glad i grew up 😂 the caliber srt is fuckin clean tho

[@juelzd7172]

That was me in 08 in Cali in the military. But I ended up paying $500 a month 😢 for the Neon SRT4.

[@SlammedZero]

I had an 05 Stone White that was so beautifully clean. I regret ever selling it and it pains me to think what kind of condition it probably is in now (since the majority of them are getting clapped out). It was such a fun car. I was FBO and she pulled great. They respond great to mods and are torque monsters. Bulletproof car. I took care of her and I never had any issues. Hurt a lot of feelings with her though. 😎

[@Golden2.4_04]

Yeah some kid probably owns it now and did a bunch of cheap sh!itty work to it or crashed it by now. The amount of these cars I see every week getting parted out is ridiculous. I have a black 04 currently these cars are super fun!

[@SlammedZero]

@@Golden2.4_04 Unfortunately, you're probably absolutely correct. Sad.

[@michaelcowan6254]

I had a 2004 SRT4 in electric blue. I also had the blue color valve cover with the light blue SRT4 on the plastic cover.

[@viktorbryce951]

Dodge really should bring back the Neon SRT-4, considering the advancements they’ll have made to FWD an how emissions are pushing more manufacturers away from fuel hogs. We need something to challenge Honda/Hyundai. The torque steer was what killed this vehicle, as inexperienced drivers hurt themselves if not worse forcing these into a early coffin.

[@taylorsombathy]

Solid motor mounts and poly control arm bushings nearly eliminated torque steer in my car when it was still stock. Same for wheel hop.

[@Huhwhatwhere4324]

Had a sunburst metallic orange SRT-4, the clutch went out one first and I kicked the wing after 6 months of ownership, wanted to put a whole bunch of gsx parts on it, but learned that was around the time Mopar was trying to make it proprietary locked; had issues putting in stage 2 jet performance chip with Mopar blow-off and 3 inch dump, tried to limp on me.

[@ngrinshift4383]

Seems like this engine (Caliber SRT4) is much closer in design to the EVO X (4B11) than Hyundai's iteration (Theta/2) since the intake manifold and valve cover fit. I have been wondering about that myself since parts for the Theta2 are scarce if any are available at all. I wonder how pistons would clear the valves. I wonder, hmmm 🤔

[@j_tootie]

the Caliber srt engine is kind of in the middle of both. oil pump, timing components, (I think valves but not 100%), cams, intake/exhaust manifolds bolt right up, but the head and block design are way different. the main bearings are the same size as the 4B11T but the tang is opposite, although they will work if you remove the tang or notch the upper/lower mains. The rod bearings, and I believe the head gasket are the same as the Hyundai but that's about all they have in common, maybe some head and/or timing components are the same but not really worth getting since the 4B11T timing components fit just fine.

[@BboyMobster]

I think if th neon srt4 had the viper inspired seats you’d feel how special it felt inside. Also if he had some coilovers it would feel more planted.

[@306_Zai]

Would a dual exhaust exit straight pipe do better than a single exit? For HP? For the CSRT4

[@Golden2.4_04]

Neon needs tint asap 🤢 damn fishbowl. Other than that thing is clean!

[@Mansmyth802]

I have one with 293k 04 silver beautiful car it’s small modded but dam I put my time into it

[@alexapplegate619]

Fun fact! They took the motor out of the PT Cruiser GT to make the Neon SRT4! 😁

[@patrickdakis4437]

Could you review a Corksport Turbo Kit on the 3rd Gen Mazda3?

[@berryyanlunchiu8069]

Very nice review

[@ricardolee461]

I had a caliber srt4 it was a very good car performance wise more so when you put the Diablo tube wakes up the car but once your throw out bearing goes out good luck searching for a transmission I got rid of mine and bought a 2018 sti

[@louisbabycos106]

I drove manuals for most of my adult life but now i am in my mid 50s and i have a bad knee and i live in a city . Are there automatic trans axels that would bolt up to neon SRT4:?

[@warrensmith792]

Pt cruiser gt had same motor, slightly different things like lifters, intake and egt setup. I imagine you could grab one of those auto's and make it fit in the neon. Or put a Cruiser drivetrain into a car of your choosing. Add lsd (they were never added later in the pt) and look for HO (high output) motor model that makes a good 20 more horse like the later srt.

[@christopherbassit2757]

I have a gr corolla now but I still have my electric blue srt4!

[@PLAYINSKILSSRT]

It's funny when people think its just a neon and that they're gonna catch you 😅

[@sonsofliberty3081]

The steering isn't vague, it's just the driver. You're not running it hard enough. The more you give it in the turn, the more it sticks.

[@tyler1671]

Brother came home from Afghanistan and bought a srt cail took me with him snd told me the story of a 20 year old Afghanistan kid ( they got money don't let the media fool you theirs nice shit there) told him kid was whipin him snd his company commander at 170 one night well 2 days later that's the fastest I'd had gone at the time lmso those fuckers ripped

[@lsjionredlinesupercharged2049]

Somethings not making sense here. I was on a mopar stage one pcm full Bolton and I ran a 13.2 and I was close to 300 hp and about 310 pounds of torque on 21 pounds so I don’t understand how he’s doing a 13.4 at 320hp.

[@taylorsombathy]

Couple factors in my 1/4 miles time. Track is right on the water so humidity is all over the place, been advised by local OG's that our track times are typically 0.5 to 1.0s slower than our other local-ish tracks. Also quite literally picked up the car with a brand new 6 puck act clutch, and took it to the track and got that time. Never driven a 6puck before so I was still getting used to it, my launch was dog shit.

[@lsjionredlinesupercharged2049]

@@taylorsombathy 🙏🙏🙏👌

[@sonsofliberty3081]

I can tell by the sound you're not running it very hard. I had one. If you wind it out it just keeps pulling

[@robertruiz5417]

Dodge needs to bring it back

[@racingdreamz8021]

If that car was AWD it probably would still be running in the dodge line up today

[@packerree10]

In the uk we call these the American Honda

[@DaftDrunk24]

I wish I had kept my Neon SRT4

[@brandonshupperd792]

Come drive mine fully built 600+ hp build Nsrt4

[@marc-oliviercabot3380]

Always loved the SRT4 Neons.. Never cared for the unlovable Caliber however..

[@timholubowitch9097]

Those alway had the coolest sounds back in the day. But the only thing I never understood about them is why they only had like a 8 gallon gas tank and the normal car had like a 12 13 gallon tank.

[@bmxican0704]

Keep it light

[@RyGuyRy]

Thats a myth/problem people were having with some of their srt-4s. Some reported issues of faulty fuel pick-ups that cut-out well before the tank is empty, another issue some supposedly had was after filling up and the pump had initially stopped/cut off, was to wait a minute and let it settle then they could pump in the last 3 gallons or so. Either way these were "faulty" fuel systems that needed repair and NOT bc of a smaller tank. Understand alot of "kids" bought this car and were pretty dumb lol(i bought my first one when i was 21 brand new off the showroom floor). Some of these not so bright kids made threads on forums complaining how their car can only be filled up 8-10gal. Thats correct, bc srt-4s still have 3gallons left in the reserve AFTER the low fuel light comes on, that ontop of an almost 9gallon fill at the pump means you have youre roughly 12gallons right?, duuuuuh lollol. You wont get nowhere near the 12.5gallons at the pump unless you run the car until the low fuel light starts BLINKING, which means now you got like a gallon left, thats it. So then filling at the pump means your gonna be near that 11-12gal mark. I have owned 4 of these. First one off the showroom floor in '04. Currently own a mint/showroom quality '03 with only 20k miles that im keeping forever. Have worked and driven on many...friends with Bogdan who used to own one of the top srt-4 shops to get work done and still to this day is the proud owner of "REDBULL SRT-4"(check out his ytube vid) - fastest 5spd srt-4 world record holder. To some it up in a nutshell though...not just Srt-4s but every single NEON for that matter whether it be from Plymouth, Chrysler, Dodge, an ES, SE, SXT, R/T, or SRT4/ACR has a 12.5 gallon fuel tank.

[@quincy578]

You should drive a dodge dart 1.4 manual and give a comparison

[@FortyMikeMelodies]

im happy with 21P in mine but wouldnt be against 30

[@dbrandon4528]

How is a car built in 2005 a 90’s car?

[@Manchild..wisedumb101]

It is a sexxxy blu.. only cuz it reminds me of honda civic si electron blu!!

[@Manchild..wisedumb101]

Oh shit!! I hava mopar.. and I want to un alive myself!! Bcuz of it!!

[@somedude4805]

Hmm, what’s better? Trash, or garbage? Hmm, tough one. Rental car with bolt-ons and a gargle tune, or a mommy car with bolt-ons and a gargle tune? Both are trash, both get you laughed at. Next you’re gonna tell me you think these are sports cars….

[@Getitstraightyo]

Caliber SRT4 lololololololololol I cannot believe people are spending money on these. Hilarious. I always kind of liked the SRT4 because it was honest about it was. But the Caliber? hahahahhaha this shit is nuts

[@bmxican0704]

I daily a neon srt4 and it dynod 426whp and around 400 torque…..I hate the calibers lmao

[@TheLumberJacked]

Those 4cyl at the time were among the easiest engines ever to get big power from. You could stack the HP and they took it. Now, I don’t think anyone was doing 500whp at the time but in its day it was wild. The Caliber is still a really cool looking car when done right.

[@Vincent_Preston]

I bought my Caliber SRT4 8 years ago with only 35k km on it for $8500. It was a previous write-off, but it's been very reliable. Still only has 65k on it and plan on driving it into the ground 😂.

[@CsRt40511]

My Cali got 187,000 😬, had little pcm issues and crossmember but other then that I can’t complain and absolutely love it. 😂

[@Manchild..wisedumb101]

I call my Mopar shit... poop Really tho expensive poop.. with a decent radio.. lol aftermarket ofcourse.. I shld a got a honda