5000 Mile Review of our Ironman 4x4 suspension | The Good And The Bad

5,000 miles later, our @Ironman4x4America suspension means we have a few things to say about it. For most people, this is the most reasonable option for a suspension lift on your Subaru Outback Wilderness, the reason being is the most affordable. When we started to build this vehicle, I wanted to try not to spend more than other people would spend to keep in mind that price is always one of the biggest variables when purchasing modifications for your vehicle. Our Subaru Outback Wilderness has been to many places and seen many different types of terrain, and today I'm ready to share my thoughts after 5,000 miles on the most budget-friendly lift available.
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[@Ironman4x4America]

Hi Josh, Glad to hear its working out for you! Great to see your Subaru getting after it in the back country. Holler if you ever have any questions. Happy trails!

[@roamingwithjosh]

Appreciate it!

[@watchingvideos4309]

@@roamingwithjosh have you talked with @Ironman 4x4 America about going to a spec A 0-440lbs setup in the rear? I realize it may drop a little bit when towing, but the ride may be well worth it. Also I never even thought about the EYESIGHT needing calibration from the dealership. Was that a cost to you?

[@Danielfernandez01]

Good stuff, keep it coming! Gonna roll with the Spec-A for my Subaru once it comes in. Thanks for the info!

[@roamingwithjosh]

No worries!

[@benjaminjacques3371]

Great video, ordered my Ironman lift for my 22 forester wilderness will be here 12/20 . Thanks for all the great info & research 🤙🏼

[@roamingwithjosh]

Awesome! No worries at all.

[@volodx]

Hey man, love the content! Thank you for everything!

[@roamingwithjosh]

Appreciate the kind words and I'm glad you enjoy the videos!

[@deanerrolgomez7792]

Good afternoon from Cali, had to watch this asap great info as always. Sounds like it a great suspension for rally. And yes thanks for the tip calling Ironman4x4 Bubba was very helpfull.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Glad it was helpful and thanks for the comment!

[@azrwilkinson]

Great video and love you got into specifics.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thank you!

[@chriskenmotsu9]

@OverlandingNow, Josh thx for your 5000mile review on your suspension, I've been researching on lifting my '13 subaru forester 2.5 limited kinda leaning towards spacers inexpensive for my pocket at the moment, but I know ironman 4x4 is top of line, again thank you for your time and effort to bring us your videos and reviews, I enjoy watching your channel Awesomeness brahda 🤙✌👊👍

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thanks, Chris!

[@punasurf4697]

Great review. Thank you.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Anytime!

[@geoffreydlin8043]

As always, very helpful and informative. What does this do to your speedometer and odometer calibration along with eyesight and warranty issues?

[@roamingwithjosh]

The speedometer should only be impacted by your tire size, I took my tire size up, so there will be a slight variation of an MPH or so. I went to the dealer, and they calibrated the eyesight monitoring system for me to accommodate the lift of the vehicle. I hear that not all dealers will do that for you so you may have to check around your area. If they say it can't be done, they're lying to you.

[@louis_iii]

@@roamingwithjosh this is good to know, can you give the dealership name to verify?

[@HuaHinRus]

Thanks, really useful stuff

[@roamingwithjosh]

No worries!

[@user-ik8fr9pd2l]

Thank you so much for your beautiful videos , did you see any changes on the eyesight system after the lift? Thanks again

[@roamingwithjosh]

Yes, the eyesight system must be recalibrated by the dealer. After recalibration everything has worked perfectly.

[@user-ik8fr9pd2l]

@@roamingwithjosh thanks

[@JeremyXplores]

What are the pro's and cons of putting a 2" suspension kit vs a 2" spacer kit and keeping the stock suspension on your car? Love your content man!

[@roamingwithjosh]

Appreciate it, Jeremy! I'm not a fan of spacers personally. They do add ground clearance, but that's about all you get. Adding a true suspension lift will give you more down travel, up travel and generally enhance handling and the ride. People disagree on this subject regularly. That's just my personal opinion on the matter.

[@Judas410]

​@@roamingwithjoshhi, I did not see any gains on down travel, not sure if it is because a limitation on the Subaru, but I've watched several reviews on this ironmans's suspension kit, and everyone talks about the 2" lift only, I do not see somebody showing abtual gains on down travel...I am looking for a suspension for light to medium offroading and I thought this one was a good one, but because I do not see gains on down travel, for me it means this suspension does not help you to keep the tires on the road and that is preventing me from getting this kit...awesome video by the way, keep the good work.

[@mafeeku6404]

Great video! Would like to know if you recalibrate the eyesight after you lifting it? Do you think eyesight works as it should be after lifting? Thanks!

[@roamingwithjosh]

eyesight seems to work fine. Took it to the dealer and they recalibrated it for me with no issues!

[@innovguy123]

Apologies for that cold drop. Thank you so much for your work on this. Fantastic stuff! Love it. I have a 2020 XT and thinking of going to a Wilderness and then think, just tweak the XT. Not a serious off-roader but want to hit the backcountry for sure and for sure will need to upgrade (and maybe lift). I also have a teardrop. Here is the thing: don't feel like having to change suspension axle shafts, etc every year or couple of years, if you know what I mean. I have actually read this type of feedback. Is it true? Urban legend? No idea. Ok, so I understand that it will affect the geometry and speed up wear and tear. But, having to change axles, CV joints, etc, every year? Really? Any and all ideas/comments, etc, would be awesome!. Thank you!

[@roamingwithjosh]

Jorge, thanks for the comment, and I'll do the best I can to help. I have not heard those same rumors concerning the axles and CV joints going bad. Yes, wear and tear on your vehicle is real, and the harder you push it, the more often you will have issues. For what you're describing, I don't foresee you having to have your car in the shop regularly to fix it. Things will definitely break, and over time you will have to invest in keeping the vehicle safe and capable, but the same is true with any vehicle. Be careful on the forums because everyone has a different opinion, and just because they had an issue doesn't mean you will. Hope that helps!

[@flmtrain1]

Great video quick question, I just got my OBW and I come from owning many jeeps, still have a gladiator. I am use to the look of lifted vehicles however I don’t do much off-roading, more camping and gravel. Roads. Don’t really carry much gear so would you do the Ironman spec A both in the front and back to keep the better ride since I really don’t weigh down the back? Also if you didnt do much off-roading would you still have the KO2 tires or more like a middle type tire like the Nitto Grappler?

[@MrSmith-rk4jq]

unless youre purely modifying for visuals, theres essentially zero need for a new suspension or beefier tires if all you're doing is lightweight camping on gravel roads. just my two cents tho. my stock obw suspension and tires have gotten me plenty of places off road with a full trunk of camping gear. Put your money into underbody protection and rock sliders first and if you start scraping or not being able to get over obstacles, then start thinking about knobbier tires and a lift

[@roamingwithjosh]

I would have to agree with Mr Smith below. I had the the BFG KO2 in a 245/65/17 with stock suspension and I took that thing to some pretty crazy places. If you watch our previous videos then you will see that this vehicle can get you where you need to go without any issues. If you just want the lifted look and your mind is made up on that then yes, Spec A will be just fine. I would go middle of the road and save yourself some MPG with a different tire. The BFG just fills up the wheel well nicely and the NItto is a little small even in the 245 size.

[@JDS-Dalton]

I've got the Ironman Spec-C on my Forester Wilderness, came from a '19 Forester Sport with the standard weight kit. Been happy with it so far, taken it on some really rough terrain and it's been great, I do like how stiff it is on pavement too, in my opinion, I feel much more connected to the road. I definitely recommend it, but only if you can get it on sale. Customer service does leave some to be desired though. Oh, I'm also running it with the 235/65r17 Nitto Nomads, which have also been great so far. And lol I actually know the guy you mentioned who was sent the wrong kit, he's in my state. I think I'm who really made him start thinking that he was sent the wrong kit when I pointed out the sag haha.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Right on! The stiffness is definitely a preference and I think a lot of people underestimate just how stiff it becomes with no load in the vehicle. Now that I'm using this for chasing, I think I may switch up the suspension and try something a bit more comfortable. The sag was so bad in his pic! Glad he got it sorted.

[@JDS-Dalton]

@Overlanding Now oh man, it was uncomfortably stiff with no weight! But that was only for a few weeks till I got my tire carrier. Now having ran that for a few thousand miles, it feels no different than the standard weight kit. I'm gonna be sticking with the Ironman for now, don't wanna drop 1500+ for another kit haha. And yea, and thankfully Ironman made things completely right and paid for the suspension swap after a posted something on Instagram.

[@LtSHAKEnBAKE]

Just checked and Flatout has a GT Lite for around $1,400. Just a simple coil over like the Ironman 4x4. What I like about Flatout is the 1-3” adjustability.

[@roamingwithjosh]

A lot of people I’ve talked to didn’t have a good experience with flat out. I haven’t had a personal experience with them so I can’t say one way or another. Just wanted to pass along the info. The adjustability does sound pretty awesome.

[@rwest5386]

If you are interested in Flatout, don't get the GR Lite, get the GR Plus or GR 40's. If that's to much $$ stick with the Iron Man.

[@mcwendel8066]

Great video! It’s funny that people complain about the cost, the suspension on my jeep Rubicon gladiator was about three times that amount lol. I put the LP Aventure kit on my wife’s outback but I kind of wish I went in this direction instead. Looks like a great product.

[@roamingwithjosh]

lol I know all about the gladiator suspensions and this was a drop in the bucket compared to what it cost to get my gladiator lifted. For the money, I don't think you could go wrong with Ironman. I ordered the LP kit at first and then sent it back because I just don't trust spacer kits, a lot of people run them and have had a good experience so maybe I'm wrong about them.

[@mcwendel8066]

@@roamingwithjosh if I used the vehicle like you use yours it would be a different story but I just needed the extra clearance for when she drives over a curb in a parking lot lol

[@k0pper]

That's one of the reasons I'm considering either the OBW or Forester Wilderness. I just had my GX470 blow a head gasket and looking for the next weekend adventure vehicle and I was naturally looking at getting back into another Toyota off roader, but when I really thought about it, there was maybe twice in 4 years of ownership that I actually used the full capabilities of the GX, the lift, the tires, etc, and those times I could have taken a different route, or even just some different lines and still ended up at the same campsite with my buddies at the end of the day. Now looking at vehicles it's really appealing to be able to get a fully loaded, brand new Subaru, with a lift, with my tires/wheels of choice and accessories I would want for less than the price of a pretty much stock used 4Runner 4x4, GX, Landcruiser, etc + the aftermarket stuff to get it where I'd want. Sure those Toyota vehicles are way more capable, but how often do I really need that capability and how much better is the Subaru for 99% of my daily pavement driving.

[@rosskaleolani7045]

Hey buddy, I probably already know the answer but by any chance does the new size tire and wheel fit in the spare tire compartment, tight? Or would I need the spare tire rack on rear? I do like your videos... Keep em up...

[@roamingwithjosh]

Appreciate it! If you air the tire all the way down to basically empty it will fit.

[@timothyj.2937]

Thanks Josh. Question, once the suspension settles down does it mean you have to do alignment again?

[@roamingwithjosh]

Not typically. The alignment should be fine after everything settles. The suspension just needs some time to get broken in with the load you're carrying. This is my experience so far after 5000 miles, still tracks perfectly straight down the road.

[@alexcheney6692]

What would you recommend for improving the over all ride of a 2019 3.6L limited? I drive a shit ton for work 30K/year on the hwy but I would like to improve the overall ride quality of my outback both on the hwy and fire roads during weekend adventures. I was thinking a rallitek setup.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Go with whatever you like the most. If you do go Ironman, go with the standard spec load not the spec C heavy load. The heavy duty springs take the comfort out of the vehicle if you don’t have a decent amount of weight in the rear. I hate suggesting specific companies because everyone’s experience is different. I’ve had great experiences with Ironman, but I know others who have not. Sorry I couldn’t be more helpful.

[@SeanMurphy00]

I’m currently running 235/65/R17 Falken Wildpeaks on mine because I haven’t lifted it yet. When I do I’ll Probably try the 245s. How’s the road noise on highway and have you noticed a significant drop in mpg?

[@roamingwithjosh]

I had the 245/65/17 on before I lifted and was driving well. Road noise to me is different. I come from jeeps and have the power wagon so the OBW is quiet to me. MPG has dropped to 18, but the boxes on top is what killed me. I was 19.3 prior to those.

[@torzam7820]

Hi have you got any vibration or wobble through the car at different speeds with the iron man lift. If not do you know if there is a difference between the wilderness and the normal touring with the iron man lift. As I have the touring and I get a vibration. ?? Cheers torz

[@roamingwithjosh]

I have a slight vibration at the moment as well, I think mine is due to an unbalanced tire. I would check your tire pressure and balanced tire before moving on to the lift being of concern. Also, you may want to try and tighten down the top hat bolts on all four corners. I've had to do that before when I was getting some loud noises.

[@Timelrd_OBW]

I wish you could drive mine to get your thoughts on the difference in feel. I have the Flatout GR40s. Still factory size tires, but upgraded to Wildpeak AT3s.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I would love to drive another OBW with a different set up and make a video comparing the two. That would be extremely helpful for people to get two takes on the same vehicle.

[@dmcollins2003]

Have you had any issues with the eyesight technology? Was that impacted by the lift at all?

[@roamingwithjosh]

It was, but the dealer was able to calibrate the eyesight for me. I should have mentioned that in the video, and I apologize for missing it.

[@justinmiske2814]

Looking at putting a kit on my 2020 outback 2.5i Experiencing a ton of sag on the stock suspension. Would you recommend the spec C on the rear even if it won’t be loaded out all the time? The car is a daily driver and is only loaded to the max a few weekends out of each month. Thanks!

[@roamingwithjosh]

I would recommend spec c for your application. The ride will be stiffer on your daily commute, but after unloading all my gear and driving the car I'm actually really happy with the spec C. Email [e-mail] and see what kind of deal you can get on the full setup or visit the site and check out what they have adventurerigshop.com. It helps the channel out if you use them, but if you get a better deal somewhere else then no worries at all!

[@punktexas]

Maybe you know?? Is there a scissor jack type bracket for an Iron Man / ARB awning? Some type of bracket that can raise and lower an awning hight at camp for lower vehicles like a Subaru. Seems like I saw one somewhere 🤔. Hell I thought there would be a storage box that can attach to a swing out tire carrier too but nope.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Not that I know of! Sorry I couldn't be more helpful!

[@alanlangley7246]

I like using my K5 Blazer for hunting/fishing/mudslinging...use my subaru for light off dirt roads/country driving/camping/hiking

[@roamingwithjosh]

Agreed. Thanks for the comment

[@schmitty2023]

A bit confused by Ironman's site as they list Spec-C and only one other option, so not sure if that's A or B. I understand the C is much stiffer and you sacrifice a lot of comfort, but how would you compare the front compared to the stock suspension in terms of the ride? For example, going over bumps or a speed bump?

[@roamingwithjosh]

Everything is going to be stiffer than what you're used to. I would highly suggest you watch my most recent video if you haven't already before you put any lift on your vehicle.

[@wcwilson]

Does the spec c suspension in the back effectively raise the tongue weight capacity up from 350 lbs?

[@roamingwithjosh]

Tongue weight is generally based on frame and mounting support for the hitch. It will not improve your tongue weight capacity, but it will improve the ride with a load.

[@Juefee]

I'm getting rumbling in the front end while accelerating uphill. Any ideas why?

[@roamingwithjosh]

Not off the top of my head. I would put some weight on the front and re-torq those top hat bolts first and go from there.

[@JuanPerez0213]

Hey man great video, keep doing what you’re doing! I own a 22 Wilderness and had the A-Spec Ironman ATS Kit installed at 3000 miles. The ride has definitely improved as well as the handling. I had a blast at the beach sands a few weeks ago. With the lift I’m currently running the Falken Wildpeak AT3W’s (245/65/R17) and Motegi Racing MR127 wheels. One thing I noticed after having the lift installed was a clunking noise coming from the rear that I would hear while going over bumps. I called the place that did the installation but they were out of town for a Jeep event and rescheduled for a week later, but the noise went away before that. Weird, maybe it was just breaking in? Either way, I don’t regret adding the lift, I just can’t stand everybody going off on me about me warranty being void lol.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I had the same exact noise and I still have it. it's less now, but I can still hear it. I would love to know what that is and be able to inform people of what to expect. I have been thinking it was my tire carrier, but maybe I'm wrong about that. Thanks for the input!

[@Dangarangg]

I had a lift installed on my ascent and we discovered it was a rub on my trailer hitch - I don’t know if that might be the same on the outback.

[@D94Rich]

I had the same thing. Its your exhaust

[@ma119107]

Does it void the whole drive train warranty or just suspension?

[@LeoZhou0424]

I got a 2023 Outback just thinking to have the ironman suspension with 2 inches lift. Any problems for the lifiting at all? I don't really care about the warranty issues actually

[@roamingwithjosh]

Warranty issues only matter to certain dealers. My dealer has still honored the warranty with the lift. I haven't had a single issue with my lift. Just drove over 1,000 miles to arizona completely loaded with 4 passengers and it drove like a dream.

[@jimcarpenter2634]

Does Subaru void the warrentee when you change suspension or add a rear locker?

[@roamingwithjosh]

It really depends on the dealer. Some say yes, some say no.

[@innovguy123]

I am concern about componentry ( axles, etc) wear. Subaru says it will accelerate wear and tear. Any comments on this?

[@thegriz7470]

Curious about this as well.

[@e-bikeskibum7141]

I just sent the Ironman 4x4 lift back to Ironman. I do not want to have a messed up CVT warranty claim denied because of adding this lift. I know they are supposed to help prevent issues with the subframe spacers, but I just felt I didn't want to take a chance. Most of the off-roading I do the stock wilderness clearance will do the job. If I want to do something crazy, you can rent a jeep easily in most places.

[@n9neduece]

Have you had an issues with the electronics? I’ve been wanting to get a wilderness but I hear some bad things.

[@roamingwithjosh]

The infotainment system really lags and not having buttons for simple functions is more distracting while driving then helpful. By no means is it a deal breaker in my opinion.

[@bigJport]

Is having a tire swing with full spare on the back enough weight for the spec-c in the rear?

[@roamingwithjosh]

I feel that it is. If I didn’t have it I would switch the rear suspension out because it would be too stiff.

[@bigJport]

@nativenomads I've been trying to choose between the medium and C load. The majority of extra weight will come from the spare tire setup, and I wasn't sure if it's too much for medium load. I'll have more weight when camping/trips but didn't want a stiff ride for daily. Is the ride stiff with just the tire swing for weight with the C? Or do you think the medium would sag too much with that spare setup?

[@gongshow20]

Get the standard 2.5L, put an 8 spd auto in it! Then add all the bells and whistles :) Better fuel economy, would have same towing and much cheaper!!

[@jameshhaneyiii341]

Do you feel that the 245/65/R17 will be fine with the factory wheels? I believe mine are only 7” wide.

[@roamingwithjosh]

No, you're going to need that larger offset from aftermarket wheels to get those tires to clear. If you put them on without different wheels you will probably have serious rubbing issues. I don't know that for a fact, but it's an educated guess.

[@jameshhaneyiii341]

@@roamingwithjosh Thanks, I was trying to avoid new wheels, but it is what it is. 👍🏻

[@mikeelliston3989]

Will that size fit on the factory wilderness suspension? With aftermarket wheels?

[@roamingwithjosh]

@@mikeelliston3989 Size of what?

[@thefurnus]

@@jameshhaneyiii341I put a 235/60/18 on my stock suspension 2019 Forester. Fit with no lift, stock rims, and only the slightest of rub on the front tires’ plastic. Just had to push it in couple millimeters and rub was gone.

[@MTB831]

Kinda off topic... what your mpgs like? Before and after lift and wheels

[@roamingwithjosh]

MPG didn't change with the lift. With the wheels and lift combined, I was getting 19.3.

[@51249ca]

10:00 I had the same issue with Flatout Suspension re: defective initial product, incorrect replacements, no packing lists, no product labels to verify what was included. Paid to install, remove/fix, remove entirely and ZERO costs were reimbused to me for any of these installs. DO NOT deal with Flatout.

[@roamingwithjosh]

You’re not the first person who’s said that about flat out. Appreciate the input and experience!

[@dustinboram]

What roof rack is on this and does it mess up the moon roof

[@roamingwithjosh]

Here’s the link - t.nylas.com/t1/276/bvdczqvmf4xxsw7owgpe9ucit/0/0b04608f1405c58adfce789346bd078b97eb40d22eb6d8264909f01556e5d3c4 No it doesn’t mess with the moon roof.

[@torzam7820]

Hi after the lift of my ironman the front wheels now look like they are narrower not as wide of a stance? The real looks original looks good Front another story. ??

[@roamingwithjosh]

I'm not really sure if this is a question?

[@chopperskier]

yes, geometry... pivot point is a foot or so inside the tire... where the LCA connects, so the taller you get, the more you'll need either wheel spacers, or a rim with more offset

[@davidwayne9982]

Does adding extra weight of bumpers and bigger more agressive wheels and tires make it MORE sluggish? (or cause it to be too weak?- it's already underpowered)... (not knocking it-- I love these little buggers-- and if they'd take that ugly big ass screen out of it and throw that crap away it would be perfect..-with a turbo).

[@roamingwithjosh]

This car has never felt sluggish because of the turbo. Even pulling a trailer through some pretty tricky terrain, this vehicle always performed well. I do agree with the screen comment!

[@waltercheney9643]

255 tires, with my roof rack and spare tire up top i get 21 mpg

[@roamingwithjosh]

Right on!

[@ronbrown5809]

is my stock wilderness suspension worth selling

[@roamingwithjosh]

I would try. Many people with other modules will pay for the OBW kit because of the lift it adds.

[@killersushi99]

*All I've heard is how the axles start to fail from increasing the angle with a lift done. Time will tell.*

[@roamingwithjosh]

Time will definitely tell.

[@toddnix4883]

4 years on a dealer installed 1.5" spacer lift on my Crosstrek. No problems so far. Installing a Spec C next week

[@PennsylvaniaDualSport]

I’m expecting my OBW next month. What bothers me is the rake is much more pronounced due to being a long vehicle. My Crosstrek you barely notice it. So I located a simple tophat lift of 1 1/2 front and 1” rear. Perfect for my needs. Now I’m getting scared away from that at all because I read a Subaru bulletin to dealers that say any modification that alters the ride characteristics like lift or bigger tires will void any warranty claim to the affected components. Even with a lift as low as 1 inch. It will also affect any claim you may have pertaining to Subarus eyesight. Sure they would have to prove that your modifications caused the issue. I’m pretty sure they have more money for a lawyer than the average citizen so that’s not difficult. I don’t plan on doing anything hard-core with the wilderness however I’d still like to modify it to have the desired look I’m after. I guess that’s the chance people take to make their vehicle their own. Your videos are produced well and I appreciate your clear and to the point feedback on your experiences.

[@roamingwithjosh]

We appreciate the comment as well as you input. I really think that “bulletin” you’re referring to is dealer specific on who chooses to enforce it. My dealer took my car in after the lift and adjusted the eyesight for me and never said a thing about my lift. I guess it’s all a risk and you’re correct with your statement about making it your own. I would honestly just look at bigger wheels and tires over any lift and see how you like that first. The look you’re taking about with a higher rear end is a lot more obvious with the factory wheels and tires. It’s more of an optical illusion because of the rear wheel well gap being so large. The bigger wheels and tires will pretty much give you that 1” lift you’re looking for and fill up the wheel wells nicely making it look more well rounded. That’s my two cents!

[@JeepCherokeeful]

There are just too many trails even a modified Subaru can’t run, it’s tough enough with a Wrangler Rubicon. Pulling a trailer, game over! Not to mention his experience with crap ride quality.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Agreed

[@leanit5756]

If there was no way for the customer to tell the parts were wrong, a stand up company would have paid for that unnecessary install and removal.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I agree with that statement entirely. Thanks for your input.

[@gongshow20]

18mpg...dang, mine is running 33.1mpg!

[@roamingwithjosh]

That's incredible!

[@gongshow20]

@@roamingwithjosh I agree!

[@alexsimon915]

Stock.

[@gongshow20]

@@alexsimon915 exactly. you didn't add power, all you did was lift and bigger tires and add drag. All I was saying is you decreased mpg by 30% to run

[@robertmarquez5351]

Thank you making my decision easier. Spec c is not for me!

[@roamingwithjosh]

No worries!

[@51249ca]

Poor manufacturer documentation (packing lists, installation procedures) is NO excuse by any company.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Agreed