525: Why Don’t Evangelicals Care About the Climate? & American Extremism w/ Bob Roberts Jr.

[@bojo420]

Jason's edit made my morning 😂

[@veggiet2009]

Me too! 😊🤣

[@kathrynluehm2840]

Yes! Miss you Jason!

[@suebsloan6634]

I agree 100%.

[@veggiet2009]

I had to relisten to this, it's really astonishing that it's not Phil's fault, but all three of them were uncertrain

[@jolenesnow1032]

Great to hear Jason back on the pod! And love the fun little edit.

[@sethland]

Hi Jason! Glad to know you’re alive!

[@kathyw7369]

Phil's right about priests from the southern hemisphere having influence. We too often forget that the church is a worldwide entity. We had a missionary to Costa Rica preach at our church, and there was a palpable silence when he said that he was excited for Latin Americans to share their theology to enrich the worldwide church. We're so used to venerating Western European and American theology that we forget that our brothers and sisters in Christ from Asia, Africa, and South and Central America have an active part in the gospel and our understanding of Scripture and its applicaitons.

[@bkucenski]

The law is summed up as "Love God" and "Love Your Neighbor" Who does that benefit? Evangelicals struggle with the law and doing what they're supposed to do because they have a very selfish view of the Bible that is only concerned about what's in it for them. Since Jesus did everything, they can't understand why Jesus told them to keep his commandments.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

If you look at the audience Jesus was talking to, that’s not a new problem.

[@toddwiese7023]

Such a thoughtful great interview with Skye and Bob. You asked excellent question Skye. Great examples from Bob of how to be principled and yet open minded.

[@veggiet2009]

Headcannon:Bob is a rescue tomato from Heinz. His traumatic history lead him to being uptight

[@ConnorMarc]

Finally listened to the second half/interview and I only have one word: Powerful! Amen and amen.

[@chuckthompson5724]

Soon as Skye said bannanas I thought of Harry Chapin. Must be our generation😅

[@andrewwhittaker2908]

We've got a future, we have Christ and people like Skye, Phil, Christian, Kaitlyn, and everyone who makes the holy post possible. ❤️😉 even we as listeners have a voice to speak out. ❤️❤️❤️❤️ To bring to light these important things to those who have the ears to listen.

[@irmhildarrey4217]

Lol he did do the theme song. Loving your content 🙌🏽

[@percussionof12]

Phil, I want to start a petition for you to go back to playing the theme song live like you did before it was the holy post. the song is great, but it would be even better sung by bob the tomato or pa grape.

[@filminspector6775]

40:25 I'm a younger generation and I'm done listening. I WANT ACTION TO BE TAKEN ON THIS NOW NOT LATER!!!

[@patrickc3419]

What, specific example(s) are you alluding to? We are to worship the Creator, not the created (per Romans 1:25).

[@patrickc3419]

Greta? Is that you?

[@chriss9356]

Christian, when you move to Canada you can swim at Wasaga Beach, it's the longest fresh water beach in the world. I've been to Florida and California beaches, but this may be my favourite.

[@MelissaThompson432]

The way Carter characterized his split with SBC is that Pat Robertson came to him to tell him what he (Carter) was going to do, because he "belonged" to them, and he declined. I'm sure this is the same thing you describe.

[@patrickc3419]

Pat Robertson is not a Christian.

[@MelissaThompson432]

@@patrickc3419 I'm not arguing.

[@patrickc3419]

@@MelissaThompson432 Well it’s not a matter of whether you argue or not; that’s irrelevant. Truth isn’t based on what you believe or think. You obviously posted your statement to get some response, so you’re going to get a response. Robertson is not a Christian; nor do I know any genuine Christian who believes that he is. The man endorses the prosperity gospel, holds the nation of Israel to a near idolatrous position, links arms with fellow false teachers such as Benny Hinn & Kenneth Copeland, believes in evolution, & says that God audibly speaks to him.

[@ChristiePriem]

Just moved back home to Minnesota (climate change sweet spot!) partially due to climate - we were in AZ for 25 years but it's just getting hotter and hotter and the lack of water very much concerned us. I love Jesus and I love His Creation. I'll do what I can to help it flourish. Hope the Church is willing to do the same.

[@anabaird3835]

Oh hello there! I moved back home to Spokane, Wa. from Mesa, Az way back in 2003. I was in Mesa '98-'03. It was still a dry heat when I first got there. I was amazed how 95⁰ felt like 85⁰ & how my sweat (sry to be gross) was watery, not sticky & uncomfortable. By 2002 tho...the green lawns, increase in man-made lakes & backyard pools made it icky & sticky...and hotter all the time in every way. My skin didnt tan in its usual golden brown way...it looked like crispy, burnt bacon. I STILL have mass skin damage on my face..huge dark spots still resurface every summer. So I just figured i may as well move back home. The other reason I dreaded summer was the SHOCKING amt of babies drowning in pools. It was at LEAST 1-2x's every week...and ZERO consequences to parent(s) / caregivers. I understand the grief & guilt alone is very punishing, but I started to wonder how many cases were true accidents considering the CONSTANT cautionary tales. How can they NOT know better than to "run inside for just a minute", espcly after constant & continuous cases reported all over the news? Conversely, if a baby drowned in a bathtub...mom/dad would surely be receiving the wrath of Sherrif Joe, pink boxers & sleeping w/no a/c. So it made me fear that if someone wanted to k#ll their baby, they'd just be sure to use pool VS bathtub. It made me so phyisically ill...everyday. On a sweet, light note- I DO miss waking up early to enjoy watching the geckos climb around the exterior of my home while I drank my coffee.

[@lisacrews3060]

I lived in Phoenix for the first 45 years of my life. 4 years ago we moved to the greater Raleigh area and have been converting our 1.3 acres which was mostly lawn into part permaculture food forest, part clover, and the wooded part into an ornamental woodland garden with a wildlife pond (natural design, no pumps needed.) Hopefully our future includes putting in a natural style duck pond and a walipini (sunken off grid greenhouse for year round temperature control with water harvesting design.) Life is so much better here 2 hours from the coast. I wish my relatives in PHX would realize it's just a matter of time until the water issue that they complain about results in their houses being worthless. They need to get out now while they can sell for a significant profit and move somewhere more sustainable, but denial is a powerful force and people in Phoenix are under its spell.

[@ChristiePriem]

@@lisacrews3060 Your situation sounds great! We now live on a pond surrounded by trees! You're quite right that huge populations in deserts aren't going to work long-term!

[@observantlee5983]

anyone else have audio issues?

[@bman11714]

THIS PODCAST WOULD DO WELL TO HEED THE ADVICE OF MR. ROBERTSON AND LISTEN AMD ASK QUESTIONS TO THE FOLKS WHO DISAGREE WITH THEM. OUR HOSTS COULD LEARN A THING OR TWO.

[@finishingwellthroughchrist5493]

That’s actually a good idea.I believe there would be a lot of healing and restoration

[@ConnorMarc]

One word/principle that so-called "Evangelicals" aren't getting through their thick skulls: Stewardship.

[@lowandslow]

What makes you think you're a better steward of the planet then Evangelicals are?

[@ConnorMarc]

@@lowandslow Define stewardship.

[@judyclark1449]

Thank you for a great analogy, listen to understand where extremist evangelical fear is coming from. Similar to the same way we assess patients, often people repeat things they don’t understand.

[@patrickc3419]

Can you provide a specific example of “extremist evangelical fear” on taking care of nature?

[@shanewilson2484]

I have no problem trashing ideas I consider harmful. That could be communism, Christian nationalism, fascism, libertarian-ism, racism, totalitarianism, free-market ideology, Islam, Hinduism, and Trumpism. But I NEVER attack the people I consider misguided who are captured by these ideologies. I attack the ideas, the ideologies, but not the people.

[@hollisburkes9553]

What in the farfegnügen time warping lightspeeding mind meld happened to Christian and Skye? How did they miss the theme song?

[@patrickc3419]

Oh, is this true? That Christians do not care about the climate or environment? I’ve never heard that. Point of fact, scripture tells us to indeed care for the earth, per Genesis 2:15, Jeremiah 2:7. I love the outdoors, kayaking with my son, gardening with my daughter, fishing, birdwatching, baseball, ice hockey, hiking…God created nature for us to tend to and enjoy. It is when those on the Left such as these people turn taking care of the environment into a religious movement, seen by those who practice Wicca, pantheism, that it is a sin. Roman’s 1:25 commands that we worship the Creator, not the created. Big difference.

[@makejesusgreatagain7220]

If you don't want conservative evangelical Christians to have a reputation of not caring for the environment, then you should be convincing your fellow conservative evangelical Christian friends and family to stop voting for the party that's taking money from big oil and passing policies that are ruining the planet.

[@natefremont]

Can we get evangelical orcs trending?

[@Justanotherconsumer]

We have been Phil’ed with the spirit?

[@kimsteinke713]

I'm helping the climate. I bought a new lawn mower that's electric and a weed eater and now finally I can weed eater and mow I got a self-propelled Iworks and I love it so pass it on guys. It's a great product so far. 👍

[@kevinwillems8720]

I was about to go into a whole thing about how lawns are unecological before I caught on to the bit you were doing.

[@jasonmccrory]

You forgot to mention NUCLEAR POWER! The cleanest, greenest, safest and best form of power we have. 😁

[@kevinwillems8720]

See when you first posted this, or wasn't really the case. It still isn't, but with the newest advancements of fusion it's getting closer

[@jasonmccrory]

@@kevinwillems8720 workable fusion would basically put every other form of power generation out of business, including our current fission rectors. Nevertheless, I stand by my statement that our current nuclear plants are the best form of power generation we have.

[@bori1102]

Carter absolutely was the "born again" hero in 1976. Women's Lib was the horror to Fundies. Complementarianism was more important than anything else.

[@patrickc3419]

Yeah..so, unfortunately, egalitarianism is actually unbiblical, and has no scripture basis whatsoever. Complementarianism is laid out in verses such as Genesis 2:18, Ephesians 5:21-33, Titus 2:2-6, 1 Timothy 2:12. It is not a matter of exclusivity in preference in gender nor sexism, rather biblical ordained roles. God loves sons and daughters of His, saved by grace and and faith alone equally, and makes no distinction in their importance as image-bearers of the Imago Dei (Galatians 3:28). The dangers in egalitarianism is that it inevitably leads to feminism & ecumenism.

[@bori1102]

@@patrickc3419 i was discussing the historical movement as I, a PK, experienced it. I crossed to the born again candidate. But after Women's Lib movement gained more TV coverage, the church in general seemed to care more about complementarianism than the Reagan's astrology. I voted GOP al my life til Trump but if I had to do it over, I def would prioritize differently.

[@patrickc3419]

@@bori1102 Oh I agree as far as specifically Reagan goes. Awful President who played a facade that he was a believer while dabbling in astrology, legalized child sacrifice as governor of California, legalized no fault divorce while governor of California, exploded the deficit to over a trillion dollars, granted amnesty to millions of people who broke our immigration laws, raised two spiritually and morally bankrupt children, etc. Was very liberal, and, as far as I can gather, was not a Christian

[@patrickc3419]

“Womens lib” (i.e. feminism) is unbiblical, vile poison.

[@JakeGunst86]

Skye literally said “ignore them and hope they go away” about the dominionist rally pledge video like 2 weeks ago.

[@kimsteinke713]

Well if you were a gay child born in 1960 and you were just realizing yourself let me tell you how terrifying my whole family was Reagan My whole family has been conservative forever in a day they still are and again I've never been able to get through to them Good luck not only that they shun you Good luck people. No I always voted Democrat I've been voting Democrat my whole entire life I could see the terror. And they did not like Jimmy Carter because of the Afghan cluster f over there. Put the hostage situation Phil. And then the AIDS came and that just sealed the deal for them moral majority look there is a real fear when you're never trained or educated in colleges and all your fed is or Robert Jimmy swagger Pentecostal in Texas let me tell you something You're dealing with real fear and they believe in real demons and they believe in real exorcisms and that stuff goes on today. Conversion therapy they got a cure for everything. I'm so glad the world has the same problem now I'm not alone. 😀🌈

[@alb5338]

I don't wanna be biased, but I think Christian's sound booth needs a splash of green. 🙂

[@YourNeighborNat]

Inexpensive energy may be good for people on the financially poorer end of things, but from what I've heard the fossil fuel industry sure doesn't seem to be that beneficial in a place like... say... Nigeria.

[@lowandslow]

Why wouldn't fossil fuel be beneficial to Nigeria?

[@YourNeighborNat]

@@lowandslow specifically the fossil fuel industry. Specifically, the Shell company.

[@lowandslow]

@@YourNeighborNat What does that even mean?

[@pamgrueber7343]

I read, Preditors In The Pulpit, back in 1990. It still applies today.

[@TheBbrothers224]

I went to Falwell’s I love America rallies in the mid 70’s and was a student at Liberty during the beginning of the Moral Majority….but I was also never really part of that crowd. It seemed that when you got down to it…it wasn’t about faith at all, but about conservative politics. I was sad when Francis Schaefer jumped on the Moral Majority bandwagon though. How about doing a podcast on dominionism?

[@PhilTomson]

Tualatin is pronounced Too-ALL-a-tin

[@kimsteinke713]

Also Bob take a listen to AM radio I grew up on that but it has changed again and 970 a.m. Dallas station I mean I literally heard them saying that people boys girls young children will go to hell for masturbating This is the type of crazy that's going on I mean these children were frightened over masturbation that was always instilled in my family but I didn't I knew that was wrong We got to call this stuff out. We've made sex a sick distortion of what it should be they don't even know love they want to do matchmaking. Greed and sex go together. There's just so much I can say to Bob I'll be talking and spurts. I also did not graduate from any college and it barely finished high school so there's no commas no periods cuz I dictate cuz I'm old and I'm tired but I love the show and thank you for everything you're doing I'm praying for you all. 🙏😇🌈🇺🇲❤️

[@kimsteinke713]

I also took the Bible literal back in the day it was instilled in me do not think about what you're going to say before you say it let your word speak from the holy Spirit so I guess I kind of free will it like that all the time so anyway bad education bad eyesight. Hang in there with me guys.

[@davidbrock4605]

JASON RUGG GUEST SPOT!!!!!

[@kevinwillems8720]

There's a bunch of reasons depending on who specificity is doing the not caring. From those that are funded by petrochemical billionaires, to those that believe in Rapture theology.

[@schrecksekunde2118]

Even better than Sub-Saharan Africa : Bangladesh! Nearly all of it at sea level, 150 million people and all of that right next to India and Pakistan. None of the surrounding countries has any chance of taking those numbers in (Nepal, Myanmar, Thailand or buthan anyone?) and it's going to be the first to disappear (actually it already is) right after some islands. That's something you should be scared of because even with all the world doing what it can that will be a clusterfuck of disasters!

[@michaeljay6349]

"There are always the Bonhoeffer" -- why don't evangelical like Barth, but like Bonhoeffer? There is significant overlap.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

Would love to hear more discussion of Niemöller as I think he’s more representative of what the church is going through - he originally supported Hitler against the communists, then realized how badly he had erred and desperately (and rather unimpressively) tried to get the German church to own up to their part in creating that particular regime.

[@kimsteinke713]

Oh also I studied over the weekend think about it they run the churches like a multi-level marketing hierarchical structure churches should never be run like that but if you go back to the 1900s every business Carnegie Mellon they were trained in that multi-level marketing and I and the preachers also just use that as well so do some checking.

[@Courage10.18]

Oh, Skye!!😂 Your pronunciation of Tualatin! It’s actually pronounced To-all-a-tin😜

[@daylemunn1334]

Had to stop and listen to the banana song. How did I miss this?!

[@kelthe8thman661]

How about Evangelicals take action against pollution?

[@patrickc3419]

We are indeed called to, per Genesis 1:28, Genesis 2:15. The problem with these individuals as well as others on the Christian Left (which is a contradiction of terms, but I’ll digress) is that the obsessiveness with the environmental movement is that you end up worshiping the created rather than the Creator, which is paganism.

[@kelthe8thman661]

@@patrickc3419 Isn't our water, ground and air poisoned and polluted? Water used to have healing properties now it has to be cleaned with bleach, fluoride and other chemicals. ( Flint, MI - Jackson, MS) Folks can barley walk on the beach without stepping on some sort of plastic bottle or bag everywhere..on and on and on. I don't care if folks call it climate change or pollution. Just do something. Also there are all kinds of folks worshipping all kinds of things, like the American flag. What is an Evangelical anyway? I never saw any in my neighborhood and I don't recall evangelicals in the scriptures. Yeshua commanded to make disciples, where did these evangelicals come from? Let us stick to the truth of Yahweh and the scriptures.

[@patrickc3419]

@@kelthe8thman661 Yes, we should absolutely stick to the Scripture. Sola Scriptura. I PERSONALLY don’t use the word evangelical. It is misleading and conjures up to me, “evangellyfish” (i.e. those ridiculous Sherwood movies, Pureflix, Max Lucado, Billy Graham, etc). I am Reformed Baptist in theology and soteriology; having been saved from the false, man made religion of Roman Catholicism.

[@alexanderwaugh5772]

What is the exact definition of an evangelical?

[@Justanotherconsumer]

There isn’t a good one. Politically speaking it’s a fairly well defined group of white conservatives that are often accused of being just culturally Christian rather than serious about faith. From a religious perspective the only consistent thing I’ve seen about “Evangelicals” is that they’re Protestants, but the religious group and the political group are at best a murky overlap. In the US if someone proudly identifies as “evangelical” they’re more likely making a political statement than a religious one.

[@RabLRousR]

I miss Kaitlyn.

[@MelissaThompson432]

41:25 winter is a fascist liberal plot.

[@kimsteinke713]

And to speak about the last segment with Bob He's wonderful by the way until y'all realize also gay people and the Bible until they can work that theology out I mean they have a problem and that is going to get worse I'm in Texas I see this homophobia in is rampant so don't leave out the anti-gay stuff cuz we got to call it what it is just like Bob said they do not like gay people LGBT the whole rainbow of us. My husband couldn't believe that all this has been over gay people too It's about change.

[@troybody6662]

But, the Muslim believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ. They don't believe that God cannot dwell in man, because man is evil.

[@patrickc3419]

Islam is a false, man made religion.

[@xd9x19]

I'll eventually listen to this, but my answer is that those that want to "do something" about climate change utterly gloss over what it will cost to do something. Multiple reports show the recycling craze is largely useless. Back in the '90s politicians told us about the glories of ethanol and not Big Ag is addicted to the subsidies and tax breaks and reports show that ethanol was a boondoogle. We stuff 40% of our corn crop into our gas tanks. What a waste. So the earth is warming? Of the warming that has occurred, how much of it is human caused? 50%? 1%? 0.00001%? There are few things more axiomatically true than to hear the phrase "scientists USED to believe..." Also, I believe by this point NYC should be largely underwater if I recall some the late '80s climate change hysteria. From a show I used to watch as a kid: "Can we do these things [to fight global COOLING]? Yes. But will that make things better? I'm not sure. We can't predict with any certainty what's happening to our own climatic future. How can we come along and intervene, then, in that ignorance. You could melt the ice caps. What would that do to the coastal cities? The cure could be worse than the disease. Would that be better or worse than the risk of an ice age." -- Dr. Steven Schneider, 1978, on the show "In Search Of", before he started selling global warming

[@paxxielart]

Hey Ed, I totally get the mistrust of government and business. The whole idea of recycling being the solution was pushed by the plastic industry to push the responsibility of plastic waste on the consumer and making it a moral failing to not recycle. The issue we have isn’t the politicians lying to us, the source is business interest which conflict either human well-being and good stewardship of the planet. Many of the solutions for climate change already exists such as building better mass transit systems to reduce car emissions as well as shifting the mentality of our consumption from quick and disposable to reusable and long lasting. I understand that there’s is the unknown of how these solutions might affect the future and that these solutions might be worse but in the face of that fear we trust in God and do our best to make informed decisions. Following God means we have to make sacrifices that might mean our standard of living and comfort has to go down. As someone whose a converted Christian with non Christian family I don’t want to risk their eternity because we were afraid of confronting our greed and exploitation of creation. I hope I didn’t come off as antagonistic I just wanted to try to communicate my thoughts on your comment and maybe try to alleviate some fear. I recommend looking into the climate change research. There’s been way more since the 80s. Thanks for speaking your mind I hope we can have a productive conversation.

[@lbamusic]

Ed, since the corn grown in the US is now 99% GMO, its best that 100% be used for fuel rather than for human consumption.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

@@lbamusic GMO is just fearmongering from food companies looking to sell their products as “safe” and “healthy.” There are reasons to be concerned, but a lot of it is just corporate greenwashing. As for the science, the basics of the greenhouse effect have been understood for over a century and the amount that is caused by humans has been well studied and is definitely not negligible. The Merchants of Doubt that wanted to “teach the controversy” on whether cigarettes caused lung cancer are the same people running the anti-environmentalist campaign. They want you to be confused and frustrated, not informed.

[@lowandslow]

@@paxxielart You wrote, "Many of the solutions for climate change already exists", this is where the disagreements begin. Why are you so positive we need solutions? Where's the evidence climate change is harming the quality of anyone's life? As of right now the solutions are doing more to damage the quality of life than anything else.

[@paxxielart]

@@lowandslow when you say the solutions are causing more problems what do you mean? Give me an example

[@kimberlyvick2426]

I lost IQ listening to these people...

[@SongSwan]

Again read your bible.

[@adamr.6889]

Phil and Skye, I am shocked that you sleep well at night. You claim the name of Christian, but malign your Christian brothers and sisters each week on a national platform with a snide and sardonic tone, and then blame the division within the body of Christ on the ones you are mocking. Given that the Lord knows the intentions of the heart and sees all....that's bold! Case-in-point. You mock Megan Basham and completely misrepresent her very obvious meaning that I know you guys are smart enough to understand. Her point was that established evangelical organizations are putting time and resources into activism that is palatable for a secular audience, but silent on issues that are more damaging, urgent, but culturally unpopular. If you think that climate change is a more urgent issue for Christians than the sexualization of an entire generation of image-bearers (young and old)..... you ain't nearly as 'moderate' and prudent as you like to think you are. Do some self-reflection. You are bearing false witness. Teachers with a large platform, such as yourselves, will be judged most harshly.

[@adamr.6889]

Shoot, you guys even beat up on Alisa Childers a while back for daring to argue that deconstruction leads people away the truth of God's word. Alisa is the most kind, non-combative Christian KZbinr out there, and she rarely speaks politically about anything. Get off your high-horses and repent.

[@Blairjoyfulsound]

Do you give Basham the same critique when she maligns folks like Dr. Francis Collins, David French, and any other Christian who is critical of Trump? She's made a name for herself by bashing Christians who don't align with her and creating a following who validates her takes. Compared to her content, this is nothing.

[@adamr.6889]

Nobody is above criticism, and Megan is very critical of Collin's and French for good reason. I don't have a problem with Phil or Skye being critical of Christians to their right. The problem is their consistent and deliberate misrepresentation of the people they disagree with. And, it's very obvious to people like me, who they constantly straw man, that their criticism is neither in good faith or an honest attempt at bringing unity to the church. I've given examples of this. Can you provide an example of where Megan has misrepresented one of French or Collins views?

[@Blairjoyfulsound]

It's all a matter of who folks agree with. As someone who listens and respects both French and Collins, I feel the same way towards Basham as you feel towards the Holy Post. I don't view either French or Collins (or most of the "Big Eva" folks she bashes) as the monsters that she makes them out to be. In contrast, Phil was including her in the reactions to the NAE article among several folks (it wasn't just about Basham). The point was the article and the evangelical reaction to it. Ever since the Phil Vischer Podcast has been in existence, it's main purpose is to be a commentary on Christian/Evangelical culture, which Basham is a part of. No one batted an eye at this commentary pre-Trump, but once there was an inch of critique towards conservatism or the GOP, now it's not ok. In short, because you agree with Basham's assessment of French and Collins, you don't see how she maligns them in the same way you claim the Holy Post maligned her. Personally, I think Phil should apologize for the joking tone he used (and I could see him addressing it on a future podcast), but let's be honest, she plays this game a lot harder than Phil and Skye do. You just don't see it because she aligns closer to you.

[@adamr.6889]

@@Blairjoyfulsound there is a broad evangelical disagreement, which I believe French, Vischer, and company are firmly on the wrong side of. But, I'm just making the point that this crew is particularly nasty about it. Phil lied and misrepresented Megan's point in order to score a couple of cheap jabs. And he doesn't just do it to Megan. Go listen to Alisa Childers, of whom he spoke of in the same way, and tell me she is deserving of the same derision. And to my original question, I'd love to have an example of how Megan has misrepresented French or Collins? Megan reports and criticizes. Vischer lies. They are not the same. And, there is something else fundamentally different about what Vischer and company do contra Megan and company. Megan and company attempt to confront what they see as poor leadership and a lack of discernment within evangelicism. They see this as hurting the church....the people in the pews. Megan, has tried to have conversations with these church leaders head on, and they refuse and malign her. What Vischer and French claim they are doing, is being a prophetic voice in the church calling the Trumpers to repentance. But, it's obviously not genuine. If you want 'white evangelicals' to repent, you don't go beat them up on CNN and MSNBC and the Atlantic. That's what David French does. I don't know a single conservative that would take that in good faith. French and Vischer beat up on people in the pews. They punch down. Megan punches up. Megan is under these guys skin. Good. Someone should be. They are doing a great diservice to alot of Christians.

[@Nah_Bohdi]

Come on guys...the segments on christian nationalism and extremism... Let me clue you two in on something. You should have made this video several years ago. The fact you "just now realize" any of this means youre not in step with the spirit, youre in step with the politics of man and his kingdom. Your political analysis sounds similar to CNN or MSNBC, not the choir's or a preist's. Turn off the news and talk to the people...you got left behind...

[@edot6911]

And everything they’re on the subject is truthful and in line with the Spirit

[@robinhawkins3801]

So they should say nothing? Shouldn't bother ?

[@veggiet2009]

They've been talking about Christian nationalism for years

[@jeremymoser7754]

I've watched the GoP and its ideology be used as an anvil to hammer the bible around since the 80s. This nationalist movement is the result in churches dropping the spirit for ideology from a political party and their propaganda on the radio in the form of networks like Moody and and entertainment networks posing as news like Fox and the new acronym networks. Pull the board from your own eye.

[@karenallen7064]

Tualatin, Oregon (Pumpkin Regatta) pronounced: twahl-uh-tihn

[@bman11714]

Although I tend to disagree with a lot of what these hosts say, I listen to the podcast to hear some discourse. Not sure if I’ll listen to this one based on the title. I can just imagine….🫣

[@Justanotherconsumer]

Out of morbid curiosity, as an “evangelical,” do you care about environmental issues?

[@rosemarycosme7394]

Brandon, the interview with Bob Roberts Jr is GOLD. Give it a listen plz

[@thezenlu]

As someone who constantly bumping heads with you, I appreciate that you listen even in disagreement, wish you the best in your relationship with God, and think that you have nothing to fear in this episode... God Bless man

[@bman11714]

@@Justanotherconsumer Of course I do. However, it is clear that people in power have exaggerated climate change over the years it’s hard to take them seriously. There are plenty of scientists who make an argument that human interaction has limited effect on our climate. All one has to do is look at people like John Kerry’s lifestyle and his carbon footprint to know he’s not serious. To make broad generalizations of groups of people isn’t helpful.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

@@bman11714 do you think that secondhand smoke causes cancer? I ask because the “it’s all overblown and scientists disagree” argument was a standard tactic of the tobacco industry. They knew it was a lie, but they also knew it was an effective disinformation tactic.