How does TDS always win? (Roblox)

[@NotOofLegacy]

I mean no offense to you, but i feel like you said a bunch of words without actually addressing what appears to be the core thesis of your video based on the title (That being TDX being a "failure") The reality is that success is always dependent on the mindset you have. Tdx doesn't have the player count that TDS has, but that doesn't mean it's a failure, when it still has an active community and videos on it still get thousands of views. It's player count is no different from Tower blitz's which also wasn't a failure in its prime. I dislike your points about ttd, because by that logic TDS is a complete failure eclipsed by 10x when comparing player counts, when this is definitely not the case. Tdx isn't a failure because John hasn't given up on it. That's just how it is. The reason why TDS has more players is just common sense lol, its a simple, easy to get into game that updates weekly and is high quality. Tdx appeals to an older audience of Tower Battles Veterans, and his own fanbase. It may not be bringing in the numbers you would consider successful, but i would say it's doing just fine for itself, just like how tds is perfectly fine despite having less players than the toilet or anime games.

[@Sharkloe]

Get this man a cookie

[@Jaaziar]

You're right.The big selling points of TDX are its events, which are TB-themed

[@mavericktellez1611]

​@@Sharkloe🍪

[@dinofan38343]

Why its the legend himself

[@NotOofLegacy]

@dinofan38343 hi dino lol I recognize u from my comments

[@Squidboi6677]

Hating on TTD is the one thing TDS and TDX players can agree on

[@VisorMercenaryYT-77]

i used to love ttd like when it released but starting at 2024 telanthric just ruined him self along with the game

[@aiden_playz8071]

​@vidislime09 they got a shortage of furries to make they're game good that's why😂😂(JK) but its telantric what you expect?he abused kids simple mind for his gain just look what his new game is

[@TheDumbStupid]

Hell I think a few tower defense games made April fools events about TTD

[@TrickshotGaming872]

I agree as well

[@Gilbert10373]

Yep

[@bruh_nke5533]

Gotta give John Roblox credit, He was a big reason why tds got so big and went from an admin of the game to the owner of his own Td game that is the only real competition for tds, he’s come a long way,

[@TitanGaming-fam]

And he also tried to kill the game he almost succeeded but ended up failing

[@tyrannomon267]

@@TitanGaming-famTried to kill the game? What are you talking about😂

[@HarryOn299]

​@@TitanGaming-famthat is such a nonsense

[@moonTerfixx.]

@@TitanGaming-famhe aint killing NUTHIN

[@OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOF]

​@@TitanGaming-famCope harder, TDX is basically a direct upgrade to TB, not ment to kill TDS. John just made the game because he could, he never mentioned anything about killing TDS :/

[@RonElias-rd7qz]

The bigger reason is that it's because many players already got 10s of hours of gameplay on TDS and wouldn't want to grind new TD games, in short; the game won't die unless they release really shitty updates or no updates at all

[@ArbiterJ]

Your point is valid but also wrong. I’m almost lvl 500 and there are a lot of higher level players. People who have finished and got most tower can only wait for updates. However the updates are frequent but still, so people want to go try new td games that they haven’t farmed. I think it’s because more people know about tds than tdx. Tdx is honestly a good game and I think John is a very good dev.

[@Goblonium]

Playing a lot of Tower Defense games, TDS felt the most fluid and easy to get into personally. The grind wasn't nearly as painful or annoying as TDX or TB or Tower Blitz.

[@ArbiterJ]

@@Goblonium yea exactly, tds is probs the most versatile and friendly for beginners. Giving you a tutorial on the basic mechanics and the game isn’t that complecated. Sure you have to learn about modifiers and what towers do but it’s not that hard to learn. When I first ever got commander I exactly knew what it did after I saw my towers shooting faster. Tdx took a few tries to get used to but its running pretty smoothly levelling up but the grind is again slightly more boring than tds for some reason

[@ArbiterJ]

@@Goblonium tower blitz I had a blast farming. It was fun and I was sad to leave the game because of the low player base. It was also challenging but I felt like farming was much easier than tdx

[@aiden_playz8071]

We can agree John cooked with his new mechanics into tower defense games

[@blueislifelifeisroblox]

Gonna talk about the tower blitz part: No, the reason for tower blitz’s demise was actually because of LordCatFood and his terrible decisions (i.e removing 10 waves from each mode, bringing back surveyor for no justifiable reason). When evade was released, tower blitz was still under oster’s management for a tiny bit, so its fate wasn’t sealed, yet… and when the original devs did manage to get TBZ back after what LordCatFood has done, the damage had already been done and they had to work on a 2nd one.

[@liquid388]

The 10 wave reduction really screwed saber champion, like there was no reason for the wave reduction the game was already fine as it was with its waves it had.

[@TheDumbStupid]

I’d say tbz was actually one of my most favorite tower defense games, cause it kinda fixed the problem past tds had: variety. Back then, tds towers weren’t so good, and you had to use only a few to win, but for tbz, almost every tower was useful in some way, and had different playstyles (I liked how slinger’s playstyle was putting a lot of them instead of upgrading one and then placing another), but ever since Evade showed up and TDS got more balanced, TBZ sadly died out :C

[@andrewzhan5207]

Same, I hated the waves shortening updates

[@bazzypean4010]

yeah i can kind of see why they did that as the matches were very long but it was just such a stupid idea the only mode that was long was expert mode and they really should of just eithe done a rework not do it now all the modes just kinda feel weird and alot of waves in expert feel out of place

[@LuquiTheFarmer]

expert/hard mode was the only one that needed a rework, because of the fact that there was 4 bosses and 3 mini bosses, along with the variety of enemies

[@laisksjjsjs566]

I'll state the actual reason. The reason why tds wins is because of Roblox itself. Tds won the best trailer that carried it, and it was in all classic, hunt, and haunt events. If tds weren't so popular, it would have been surprising.

[@semicolon2599]

tds wins because it won, crazy

[@laisksjjsjs566]

@semicolon2599 you clearly don't understand. Tds won the best trailer because no games other than tds gave a shit about trailers, basically a free win there. All the events I have mentioned were also free win. Do you think that games like guts and blackpowder or dusty trips were even close to how popular they are now without the events. Tds did well in the events, but it would be surprising for the game to not be popular after the amount of boosts it got.

[@semicolon2599]

@@laisksjjsjs566 so, tds wins because it won. crazy i know

[@juiceboxbs9853]

It's simple, tds had an insane headstart compared to tdx But it's also due to tds reling more on a constant player flow, while tdx relies on keeping its initial player base active, hence the difference in traction Tds is more well-done in terms of a roblox game, while tdx is more well done in terms of a game in general, both are good, just below knows how to get his numbers big

[@aiden_playz8071]

Just asking which one is more laggier for you? Tds or tdx?

[@juiceboxbs9853]

@aiden_playz8071 Not too much of a difference, but tds loads way faster while tdx has less performance issues

[@bazzypean4010]

and tdx only has 1 developer i dont think people even realize that as much they should tds when it had alot less developers like 5 or something took almost 1 ENTIRE YEAR PER UPDATE meanwhile tdx while the updates arent to frequent we atleast get them around every 1-2 months

[@juiceboxbs9853]

@bazzypean4010 tdx has a team, much smaller than tds for sure, but 100% there is more than 1 person working on it There is only one coder from my knowledge, and idk about other developers amounts but can assure you they exist, at least bc tdx has great sfx/vfx and modelling which all can't be created by a coder

[@agentcatfe2319]

@@bazzypean4010 TDS UPDATES ARE CRAZY FREQUENT WHAT DO YOU WANT. YOU GET AN UPDATE EVERY 2 WEEKS. THATS THE BEST THING THAT YOU COULD GET FROM A TD GAME DUDE

[@CantFindGudUsername]

3:47 tdx is not getting "discontinued, shut down"... its only really been around one year since release and the team will continue to make updates. i hope tdx stays successful and i hope we get tds and tdx collab event sometime..

[@darksubzero2271]

I hope those 2 things too tds and tdx are really good games and deserve more than what they have now

[@PenumbrasTheGatekeeper]

KZbinrs trying not to say tdx died (impossible challenge):

[@Zamundead]

yeah they all to much glazing tds

[@leonardotrujillo8661]

​@@Zamundeadand the tdx players be glazing tdx heavily. I guess its fair

[@PenumbrasTheGatekeeper]

@@leonardotrujillo8661 not to the point TDS players do tho

[@YourNormalPlayerr]

Curse of the... I have no names ;-;

[@Atmxx1002]

There was this one tower defense game, that’s now dead called Universal Guardians. Pre overhaul update it was really unique as you placed towers on the path and enemies could attack them, making it feel more like plants vs zombies. Then they overhauled the game and completely changed it, from its original gameplay style to that of a generic td game. It’s sad it never reached a decent player count but the game itself had a lot of flaws that probably were factors in preventing it from securing a decent player base as the game is now dead.

[@SnowPea453]

Just play world tower defense

[@Unnoon_TUD]

Bro that was my favorite td game back then :>

[@MadCat122]

as a person who studies content creation, I can say that TDX is very pleasant to play, but there is little content, and TDS has more content, that's why it has more online, the whole trick is how to keep players, TTD noticed this feature, TDX just make the game with less the number of lags, which makes the game more enjoyable.

[@microwavedalmonds3363]

TDX has much higher quality and is overall better then tds but there’s less bright colors and goofy movements to attract kids so that’s why it’s not as popular.

[@semicolon2599]

@@microwavedalmonds3363 i played tdx before tds and to be honest tdx models and overall visuals are a few steps below tds, i still like the double path system of tdx though (which tds seems to still be adopting at the moment) tds has admittedly much better balancing as well where you can win any mode in the game without the best towers and simultaneously you can lose even when you have the best towers

[@goofyahhnerd4669]

​@@semicolon2599it's kinda the same with tdx

[@goofyahhnerd4669]

Entasis on kinda

[@leonardotrujillo8661]

​@@microwavedalmonds3363glazing tbh

[@RedNinjaKoopa-u4t]

TDX isn’t dead or dying. John Roblox was a very popular tds KZbinr and generated a lot of hype for his own tower defense game so it makes sense that the player count would dive, or rather, stabilize over the first month. It’s been at a nice 2-3k players for months now.

[@Zamundead]

2-3k players is actually big number, idk why people calling tdx ded

[@Shereen3]

​@@Zamundead it usually garners 4K players on weekdays (no updates included), which isn't bad at all honestly.

[@hadijahali-abutazil8487]

@@Zamundead same goes with helldivers people always see decent numbers as dead game

[@A-Amused]

I don’t really care how valid some points may be, comparing minor tower defense games on a lego game is just.. unproductive. (Seriously, if you play TDX or TDS, in the grand scheme of things, it’s not relevant on the internet). I feel like this video is incredibly biased to TDS no matter what, and the thumbnail is putting another game, TDX, to absolute shame, not to mention how he puts up a massive ‘TDX’ logo and mentions how other tower defense games are being “shut down or discontinued” which just implies that he thinks TDX is just completely dead. This video feels more like ‘Why TDS is better than TDX’ and I think we’re tired of hearing it.

[@neato1030]

Yea that’s what happens when a tds KZbinr makes content comparing tds to other games

[@leonardotrujillo8661]

Im tired of tdx and tds players always comparing each game and the "they copied this and that"(im gonna lie, its mostly tdx players who do this)

[@juiceboxbs9853]

@@A-Amused it doesn't imply anything, there are a handful of td games that were shut down or discontinued on Roblox Tdx is not completely dead, but it's clearly less popular than tds, also saying they're incomparable is stupid, like more than 50% tdx towers have direct tds alternative

[@ScribbleSoda-p2k]

Its so funny how people are still debating this How to be annoying as shit A. Say a game is fighting another game even tho it isn’t B. A C. B

[@TheCoolDevRR]

Honestly TTD is the worst TD game Edit:its my opinion bruh

[@zebrunz8366]

Best*

[@RuvinPlaysOfficial]

@@zebrunz8366 There was no typo

[@dugworld3267]

​@@zebrunz8366chicken nuggets skibidi

[@eta3705]

@zebrunz8366 wth bro

[@DaRealAxolotlGotBanned]

​@@zebrunz8366Tbh it was a fun game back then, but the p2w and stupid update ideas ruined it

[@Finnn69]

Yall are forgetting that 80% of TDX community is from TDS since John announced the development of TDX while playing TDS.

[@Musoridzze]

99%* I dont know any tdx player that haven't played tds before tdx

[@alexprosxc9376]

It's as simple as TDX isn't as casual as TDS, infact is harder and people are used to play TDS. So as long as TDS dosen't make the worst decision of his life, everybody always going to prefeer playing their trusted td game instead of trying new ones (I say this from experience). And also, no, TDX is not on downfall, it's been months since he had like average of 3-4k active players everyday. Infact when they both have no updates, they usually have 10-11k player difference as u show here: 2:03.

[@Sighlar1]

TDX is anything but a failure. Not being able to overtake a game that has had 5 years to develop itself, find its direction, and has one of the hardest working team on roblox, and has proved itself to be the most polished, high quality game on entire platform with a passion project that has only been out for a year is completely normal. John never expected to overtake tds, he wanted to make his own td game with his own direction and theme that he liked, as apparent by the heavy DOOM influence in his game. He loves working on the game, and not to mention TDX still has around 4.8k players on weekends, long after the newest update. TLDR: TDX isn’t a failure just because it can’t overtake the best in its genre

[@serily4524]

the most famous in its genre

[@KobraArab]

It's not even fair to compare a game that had lived for 5 years to a game that's still in beta

[@lotengogrande9098]

Literal pa

[@siamoigua3327]

I'm tired of people using the excuse of beta When people talk about tower defense simulator and tower defense X.

[@lotengogrande9098]

@@siamoigua3327 bro tds have 6 years tdx 1

[@vanto-k8x]

@@lotengogrande9098a beta games deserve comparison so it could improve the game, it being in beta is not an excuse to not be compared

[@lotengogrande9098]

@@vanto-k8x Yeah, but doesn't it seem unfair to compare a game that has been in development for 6 years against a game that only has 1? (and if I have played tdx I am level 80)

[@gamis_gx7603]

I was the TDX fan but i realize it was hard when you lagging and all your tower are dead even medic can heal one by one but only place 5 max it still didn't help heal all the tower or free from stun in the end medic can die. The boss its very annoying but i still can get to use it with friend.

[@fireyhitmyfuse]

Can we all just enjoy both TDX and TDS

[@Swarmer-q4s]

Fr

[@futureofgeography]

no

[@moaifunny]

​@@futureofgeography"no" - 👶

[@kobepersoons2323]

I do enjoy both TDS and TDX, and I belive that TDX saved TDS. This is because TDS content was very rare during 2021-2022 but after the announcement of TDX and coming closer to the release date (somewhere at the end of November 2023) the amount of content being added to TDS became more regular. Without TDX I think that TDS would not be where it is now. Below was "scared" of TDX and make sure to protect his own game and that came out very good for the players.

[@thelightbeamer9693]

This is too real

[@NS_teah]

The main reason why TDS became popular back then is having mobile support and any potato pc / toaster can run it unlike Tb back in 2019.

[@NS_teah]

If TB had mobile support since 2011, I'm sure TDS couldn't be popular, not even once.

[@Yeah12229]

@NS_teahbtw tb was not made in 2011 it was made in 2018 if im right

[@cooIdude83]

​@NS_teah tower battles wasn't made until around 2018, the place was created in 2011

[@sleet22]

The Tower Defense genre on Roblox has been getting very dry lately, and it’s mainly due to people just making their games based on other td games I am a TD game developer on Roblox, I worked on Evolution Evade until it got discontinued. We are currently working on a successor to it called Chrono Warfare. I believe that the reason why TDS managed to keep their players every update is simply because they have been gaining tons of players ever since the competition with tower battles. John Roblox managed to show it off to many people, which gives it tons of players as they want to try out the game (even Markiplier played TDS before, it was crazy.) TDX and TDS are easily compatible, they both have similar structures. But the difference between both of them is their playstyle. TDS is much easier to get into than TDX, as TDX is made for more hardcore TD players. So it makes sense that TDX is only trying to get their current playerbase to keep playing the game rather than focusing on new players that much. I don’t think it’s even worth mentioning TTD as it got popular only due to the skibidi toilet trend which is a common tactic on Roblox. Leeching off trends is an easy way to gain attraction. Comparing TTD to TDS is quite literally like having a coughing baby fight a hydrogen bomb. It’s not even close to matching it in quality and gameplay as it’s just a gambling “game”. I do hope TD games get better in the next few years. It may sound like I’m asking too much, but it just needs to happen. I believe people should try to come up with their own structures for their game rather than taking an already existing one. Having something new can make you stand out, plenty of td games have done this before, but they do sadly end up getting abandoned due to wanting to work on other games or quitting altogether.

[@memeenderman2170]

to be fair, tower defence games exsist outside of roblox, like bloons already had the idea of tower paths before any roblox tower defence game

[@gamerrblx3763]

You're glazing on BTD6 too much, PvZ too

[@semicolon2599]

@@gamerrblx3763 not btd6 specifically, bloons tower defense games in general were pioneers of the tower defense genre (not to say that pvz wasn't too though)

[@thesmileman6931]

@@gamerrblx3763 BTD6 blows any roblox TD game out of the park.

[@jinmori155]

​@@gamerrblx3763balloons td has existed for far longer than any td game on roblox and been had the two upgrade paths even before them so its not glazing

[@Synchronocy]

Honestly not sure how to feel about this video but ill say this to two points Tower blitz was NOT the first td game to have to paths, Im not entirely sure which game is but there's a much older game called "Mecha Cubes" that has two upgrade paths for each tower. Also putting my hat here, I feel like a game losing players after some time from a major update is normal. Heck even TDS loses players after a lil bit, feels kinda unfair to only point that out for TDX. Note I am biased to TDX, as it can actually run on my computer but i say this with my most respects (Even IF im biased)

[@Errorthesillyguy]

agreed , this video feels a little werid

[@ueeee_ray]

Balloons defense

[@AdielLuna-l6i]

Tdx and tds are both great tower defense games in their own ways can y’all stop comparing them and just enjoy what they have to offer is it really that hard?

[@ForAsIn4]

Bro did not watch the video

[@Errorthesillyguy]

I think it's bc of how souls says it which makes it look like comparing both games which I wish he could of done better

[@Mr_FritZ]

I really liked tds since 2020 but I also like it along with tbbf and tb because of the tower and enemy designs, it’s a great reference for modeling on my journey

[@foxgamerpros4622]

Tds just changed way too much for my liking now

[@Mr_FritZ]

@ I didn’t like the new stuff either but not all of it is bad so that’s why I’m still playing

[@foxgamerpros4622]

@ i stopped playing.

[@Atmxx1002]

Some people here are trying to say comparing these two games are bad, I think it can be beneficial in the right way. I feel the reason many people don’t like it, is cuz so many people have done it in the wrong way that it leaves a bad taste in people’s mouth. Both games could have a thing or two to learn from each other, like tds could learn how to properly optimize and TDX could learn how to be less grindy(okay I kinda pulled these points out of the blue but you get the point)

[@Spiritlikes99]

Tds content creator trying to not glaze TDS: Impossible

[@DivineDustDust-r9y]

Tdx fans trying to not think their game is good: impossible

[@RedEyesWokeGoose]

Yeah you would say that advisor

[@thelightbeamer9693]

I mean, that's something the advisor would say, I wouldn't even argue

[@Stophand_]

@@DivineDustDust-r9y if tdx is bad tds is also bad

[@caoilfinnemcmanus3547]

he didn't even glaze tds once in this video... also don't try to act like the game isn't high quality

[@kirkmineblox3065]

Tds and tdx are my favourite, john is the reason why i loved tds and his game tdx, even when john left tds, i loved tds

[@assaultriflejutsu77]

I prefer TDX over TDS. But I also understand that TDS' player count is higher and more stable compared to TDX's because TDS is much easier to get into; it's less harsh against newer players and the game is overall more casual. TDX is a bit more harsher on the player, it's a game that expects the player to already have an understanding and idea of what they are playing and what they could expect. It's also why TDX might seem more 'difficult' and 'punishing' compared to TDS.

[@GusTY48]

Og TDS player here. Look id say both games are good i preferably like more TDX because the game has various types of stuff to grind in like endless etc. Powerups are something i loved ingame,specially for the fact it's actually using millitary warfare weaponry n stuff. TDS is an game i enjoy playing sometimes. I don't like grinding in it as much as tdx because the battles in event arent really well.. cool. Id say let's take chapter 3 on tdx as an example. Enemies deal damage to your base along with the little cool thing as to where if an boss steps on your tower it get's damaged,the soundtrack on tdx is amazing,violent phonk fits perfectly with big ass killer robots who cause mass destruction (try endless to see what im talking about) you're towers die aswell in tdx making it so you just don't stall and do nothing when bosses stun you're units. (Holy shit essay)

[@trawsome]

If john hadn't made a video WAAAAY back then about tds it wouldve just been a school project

[@Zamundead]

now thats TRUE, thats why we got only small update back then

[@leonardotrujillo8661]

Then tdx wouldnt exist either

[@serily4524]

it was always a boring tb copy

[@CooISkeleton96]

A game that hasn’t died and has been around for quite a while that I think is super underrated is “Doomspire Defense” It has a good amount of content, polish, masteries for towers, side modes, and more. It’s a really fun game that I can’t recommend to tower defense lovers enough. I think it deserves to stand in the big leagues but sadly can’t get as many players as these games.

[@leonardotrujillo8661]

Its not underrated though? The game literally had thousands of players like months ago

[@CooISkeleton96]

@ the game has like 600 players most of the time, only at like 1-2k rn because it just updated

[@redbool1115]

Me when I see people fight over tdx and tds “What the hell is wrong with you?! We’re a family!”

[@foxgamerpros4622]

Family?

[@dinofan38343]

@@foxgamerpros4622there is a bigger threat we have to face (ttd)

[@foxgamerpros4622]

@@dinofan38343 lol

[@Musoridzze]

​@@dinofan38343ttd will gonna die in like a year unlike tds n tdx

[@dracoledraconoligist]

I feel like 5ouls was like "hmm today i feel like getting cooked on the internet" and then made this video

[@Zeiso_Serenity]

There is this game called Vector Fission, which is a tower defense game that fell in the hands of Sweaking, and it got popular (maybe too popular) to the point where it died after a few months

[@johanabintimohd.aminyeopon701]

John also carry tds back in the day so yeah probably one of the reason why it got popular

[@st77668]

2019 tds was peak, thank you john

[@the2050th]

Wikia also had a fanbase before tds. Wikia used to make r2da informative videos, John also was a moderator for r2da and Below took some part in the development of r2da.

[@foxgamerpros4622]

@@the2050ththis is true

[@howitizerthattypes972]

If TBZ hadn’t died out so quickly, it could of been a good competitor to tds

[@xGriink]

tds optimization on mobile devices is pretty bad lol

[@UnrandomXD29]

You can say that whit any roblox game

[@xGriink]

@@UnrandomXD29 some games are actually pretty good for mobile players… no obstructive gui, stupid bugs, or unstable gameplay

[@TheBuddyJr]

Thats one reason why i like tdx is just overall more optimized

[@UnrandomXD29]

@xGriink potato game vs big quality game:

[@4dstrawberry-l9z42f]

I only lag in TDS on my phone, but every game lags on my phone

[@mythstars]

My take, not really big, but Phoqus’s music really made TDS memorable. Any music created is original, making it high quality and awesome.

[@CocoTheSuitMan]

Think about it A game like this, it’s so unique to other games on roblox. So thats why + it started it (on roblox) + bloons enjoyers and other tower defense players + people wouldnt wanna basically redo everything.

[@PĦØŇKĎËĽŰFFŶ]

The Tbz dev community went over kill with the designs (if Yk what I mean) ESPECIALLY on the bliss, honestly that would be a good addition to tds if they added smth like the bof from tbz

[@Alex_Fishman]

I would not say that TDX is dying, it's just that they are in their downtime between updates, since John's team is not nearly as big as Paradoxum (poor Atraz, soloing the coding) plus there is not much content for people to play, since those who grinded the game since day 1 have nothing to do, and those who don't want to grind see this mountain of gold and go: "nah, fuck that, ima come back for the event" and I am one of those people. That, and TDS's accumulated reputation over the years means that the one thing TDX needs is just some time to refine and polish.

[@MuffinTheStudent]

As someone who was played mostly TDS, but also a bit of TDX I dont think I can give that accurate of an opinion, but I'll try. First up, while TDX obviously has some special gimmicks like towers not beeing able to see around walls or the whole health thing, which CAN be fun, but it mostly feels annoying and considering a large portion of tower defense players are just casuals who like to just enjoy placing and upgrading towers, having to play around such gimmicks can probably come off as annoying, unfun and overcomplicated. Also, TDX is a lot more grindy right off the bat. If you want to unlock the big and cool towers you see at the bottom of the shop you have to play for what feels like genuine AGES which obviously detters the younger audiences as those dont typically like to stick around for long times and tend to play games where you can get cool things right away. Something I am going to give TDX however is that the overall look of the game was really high in quality.

[@alexanderaleman6982]

One of the main reasons why TDS has the staying power it does is because of how easy it is to play, there is a tutorial, a very easy game mode and has a more saturated and childish look

[@OnlyLion789]

Ogs remember tower battles fr, I played them both🤣

[@sotgear3181]

Its because its old and the old players dont want to lose their progress

[@EditorDW]

It’s cause TDX has 1 Singular Programmer and the team is small and it just recently came out. While TDS on the other hand has been around for a long time has a big team and has multiple programmers

[@darktanyan5811]

i dont think 1 year is that recently anymore but you do you

[@StarWithAPencil]

@@darktanyan5811Yeah but compared to TDS, its quite small.

[@TheShadoweyBoy]

tdx did NOT flop lol, tds only beats it out because it came out 5 years before and has more popularity, thus having more players since people will stumble and try tds instead of finding x

[@siamoigua3327]

Just stop making excuses bro we all know the game was over hyped the game was still good but it was over hyped

[@TheShadoweyBoy]

@@siamoigua3327 youre missing my point lil bro

[@lcjmcy134]

@@siamoigua3327 unlike tds, tds NEVER over hype anything ever before right?

[@tyrannomon267]

@@TheShadoweyBoy When a game with thousands of players average is considered “dying” but a game with a few hundred players is only a “little underrated”

[@vanto-k8x]

Tds beated tb in less than a year, when John roblox wasnt that famous and it was just still a school project. Now John is a very huge yt channel and shouldn’t he get more players like when he first played tds?

[@cxlciummmiv]

How does it keep winning? Persistency and consistency. Been playing TDS since the SFOTH event back in 2019 and I've been on the platform since 2012. If it wasn't for TDS, I wouldn't stick around this platform anymore. It's just not worth it anymore.

[@serily4524]

mid defense

[@ParkerAdams-g7e]

3:05 don't worry we will hate on them for u we will say all the words that you could never say souls

[@iUnknow-1]

I recently found a fun TD game that is called Retro defense, kinda usses same mechanics from TDX but with Roblox Classic era vibe.

[@iluvvfent420]

I think the main reason is not many people will be willing to restart their progress, but with ttd their bringing in all the 4 year olds

[@Idk4x]

Because tds is the honoured one 🔥🔥✍️

[@foxgamerpros4622]

Throughout heaven and earth, I alone am the honored one. Tds in a nutshell

[@serily4524]

because its just overrated stop glazing a mid game

[@gaspacrack]

tdx is NOT a failure, actually the reason it has less players than tds is due to tds having won a lot of reputation over the years of experience it has, plus tds youtubers or players shitting on tdx, i switched from tds to tdx for its better quality gameplay and less childish looking stuff plus the towers being able to die and the realistic range mechanic are so well implemented in tdx, the events have been all fire and its a game to put good grind in, if u ask me, as an ex tds player i say tdx is better (am lvl 300+ on tds)

[@nartuz5016]

It's because TDX is too similar. John didn't think TDS would start to adapt (copy) the few unique aspects of his game, and therefore make it obsolete.

[@leonardotrujillo8661]

What are the "unique" aspects that tds copied from tdx? Towers don't count

[@nartuz5016]

@leonardotrujillo8661 For example, the focus on enemy modifiers. Ever since TDX dropped, TDS has greatly expanded on those. Also they've just introduced multiple tower upgrade paths along with the Pursuit rework. As well as copy the freezing system after TDX released theirs. There's probably more but I haven't played the game in a long time so I don't remember all the features

[@bacongaming9179]

I think tds are more successful than the other games because developers made early gameplay interesting, mid way is great, and end-game is the way you want to play the game.

[@barrenwanderers5655]

Thing is, games like Tower Galactica stray away from TDS' formula and still flopped, meaning the big question is simple. How can you combine new, unique aspects with a decently paced progression to keep players engaged without going stale?

[@Masonthebaconhair]

Honestly it's because TDX is the reason why TDS is working so hard to have weekly updates and events, they are like friendly rivals to help each other out. Also TTD sucks.

[@leonardotrujillo8661]

Even before weekly updates they were still beating tdx.

[@BlazefromYT]

ngl tdx and tds are made by THE SAME GROUP!! ( paradoxum games )

[@leonardotrujillo8661]

Me when I spread misinformation

[@keenowilson3527]

0:12 why is grace on tower defense

[@QuangLe-ob3lw]

tdx not dead until john stop updating

[@Moofin339]

guys how about we enjoy both tds and tdx like the developers told us to do instead of fighting.

[@TotallyNotSnowy.]

I think the content creators know that causing dramas over comparing 2 games is great way for them to make content (basically every KZbinr making several videos about "it's over" "he's done")

[@etabea8703]

fnaf td actually had almost double tds's players today on their most recent update tho it usually has like 3-5k players on i think its still a competitor tho

[@Rizzlerishere]

Not including tower heroes with its gameplay and overall desing is such a crime Edit:it also had the same circumstance as tds but the only reason why its not as popular anymore is because there are no longer game changing features

[@canthecoder]

TB: Are you winning son? TDS: Yeah if we dont include anime td games

[@bearlittlebear240]

0:45 *cough* mecha cubes did 2 paths before other tower defense games

[@foxgamerpros4622]

Noted

[@voltfox2466]

"What did we learn? I ALWAYS WIN!" © Scout TDS

[@ktronspectra5364]

this is like those slop videos that are like "the downfall of x thing" with those graphs that have a trending down line

[@BaconBroTDX]

BRO DIDN'T COME BACK FOR THIS 🔥🔥

[@ikasoselia645]

i think the main reason tdx cant catch up, because they dont have enough devs and as jhon said, they have only 1 programmer!!! with that reason, they cant open their full potential

[@PHOTON.thief.]

Tower Blitz and TDX are my all-time favourite TD games on roblox. They're both so creative, unique, fun and challenging, and set themselves apart from their peers. TDX, for example, has Endless mode (which is not endless). It is THE MOST fun i've had on a roblox TD game and is so insane and tense you feel like the FBI is raiding your house. I find TDX's grind more interesting than TDS, so I like to stick to TDX than TDS. All games in this comment are amazing! lol

[@poverbgaming]

can we kiss already bro - paradoxum games and tdx twittter accounts

[@shinyabsol_]

Let me make a long story short. Basically Tds is more popular because people mostly grinded it when they were younger and the game is kinda og and it kept updating unlike Tower battles so yeah

[@GooseGaming-tx1lw]

For me, the only reason tds is winning is because they are taking new game mechanics from Tdx and putting it in tds, yeah ik John is letting tds do that but it kinda took Tdx’s chances of gaining players.

[@leonardotrujillo8661]

Isnt tdx also doing the same?

[@MasiyanaValentina]

They took the nights aka acts feature from tds too so they have the right to do that

[@ASAPNoCap]

He remembered his youtube password 😲

[@deslacam15_alt2]

Probably reason why I hated TDS ever since Molten rework

[@TDS_von]

To be honest guys I had friends who both play tds and tdx whenever each game has updates but for the tds and tdx players tdx is a good game too especially tds to I played tdx and it was decent

[@ArbiterJ]

I got to say the best tds games at the moment are: 1. TDS ( my favourite game ever, I have played it from old and it’s always been class. It would be even better if they fixed the bug but they are working on it and they have cooked massively this year with the new dev team with many reworks and new towers and decent events and mini events) 2. Tdx ( Amazing game, I barely lag at all, tds needs this type of smooth gameplay. Also cool towers and a nice challenging game with some cool towers like relic. I just find the grind a bit boring idk why. Still though love the game and I do hope it doesn’t die. It doesn’t have to beat tds but as long as it stays I’m fine) 3. Doomspire defence (it’s actually an amazing and I say it has the most fun towers out of both games. Sad they removed pizza 😭)

[@DoomInRoom]

"tds games"💀💀🙏

[@ArbiterJ]

@@DoomInRoom td games my bad

[@serily4524]

biased takes based on nothing, tds is just overrated

[@ArbiterJ]

@serily4524 Tbf you are entitled to your opinion but so am I.

[@NickZeBezt2]

0:13 woah! Tbbf!!1!11

[@rafifarandyatsaqif2602]

I have see the TBBF kill the TB with TBBF 160 + And TB with 60±

[@พงศ์พลอินทรเศรณี-ฒ8ฆ]

The new molten rework molten enemies with corpse modifier remind me of smth from tb

[@LOL-bs2t]

Honestly, you simply can't compare them anymore. Both are too unique from one another and the game mechanics nowadays are far too different. Not to mention, TDS focuses on younger children, while TDX focuses on adolescents and even adults. In other words, they are too unique to be compared directly.

[@Jik99-zp9dx]

This video is a hate crime

[@Japybara420]

Cant stand tdx (Don’t hate on me, just hear me out,) It has so much more lag than tds meaning I can’t even finish a game before it crashes, the frames drop so low for someone who is on a mobile device (me) And also, trying to start a new game that is extremely similar to the current game you play, just can’t be fun cause it’s unoriginal and introduces a whole new grind and more time to waste away,

[@CorruptedApexPredator]

3:16 tds had blocky simple looking towers and eneimes but now they have improved and ttd has improved a bit on enemies and desgin of towers

[@scavenger_playz8726]

Personally it's because tds knows it's playerbase, yea it messes up occasionally but doesn't drastically change at all between updates

[@foxgamerpros4622]

Knows there players base? *Psst* please.

[@foxgamerpros4622]

Bro they legit changed fallen and molten and had a overhaul and changed the style of the game completely.

[@caoilfinnemcmanus3547]

@@foxgamerpros4622 yeah and no one complains about that because it made every mode more high quality while still keeping the things people liked about them

[@foxgamerpros4622]

@@caoilfinnemcmanus3547 alr sure

[@Yeetv1]

@@caoilfinnemcmanus3547not to mention making it much harder and balancing it around the more powerful towers.

[@mylinhtranthi4558]

Tdx after the mobster tower was added had from 2k player to 3-5k player

[@Mrstireast]

It wins all the time because no one in the Roblox scene actually makes their games unique anymore after tower battles and astd. Literally every single tower defense game on Roblox right now just feel like carbon copies of the two games mentioned gameplay wise but with different modes and looks. An example of a creative tower defense game outside of Roblox is plants vs zombies. I bet most people didn't even know that was a tower defense game because of how everything on Roblox are just copycats of each other with SLIGHT variety.

[@bananafoxYT4616]

I have an Idea for a TD game but my only thing is I don’t ever think I could top the quality of game play tds has it’s my favorite and will forever be my favorite despite how grindy it feels at times 😂

[@dinofan38343]

Can we just accept that both games are great

[@caoilfinnemcmanus3547]

no one said anything about one or the other not being great

[@NotOofLegacy]

Rent

[@Shereen3]

​@@caoilfinnemcmanus3547 Actually some are by comparing Quality and player count. Just because TDX has lesser players or deemed lesser quality doesn't mean it's objectively a worse game.

[@caoilfinnemcmanus3547]

@@Shereen3 i didn't say it was a worse game i think they're equals i just said more people play tds

[@Shereen3]

@@caoilfinnemcmanus3547 I was talking about people in general, not you. I saw some comments comparing it to TDX and deeming TDX as a lesser-quality game, which is why TDS is doing better apparently, but I disagree with it.

[@baonam11101]

There is always one thing that makes me sad about tower defense games is that... New tower defense games with low efforts, for an example like Toilet Tower Defense. They're just basically cash grabbing games that attract children by adding brainrot characters in. But somehow still overwhelming TDS or TDX in playerbase. These players cant just understand what's good and what's not. New gen is absolutely doomed.

[@infinate_gaming]

W new video! alsmo my text is black when i comment... idk why

[@helptheworld.8997]

mee too

[@okeye-f9c]

same it's so annoying

[@infinate_gaming]

@@okeye-f9c yeah, u gotta highlight it to se waht you typed

[@Nick_Avarage]

Tower blitz actually could beat tds in 2021, if tds kept its tendency on delaying updates and Tower blitz got the attention it deserved. Also, if tbz devs didn't mess up with their project. Tdx, on another side, could do the same, if it was released in 2021 or in summer 2023. But our reality is - the game was released on November 2023, too late as tds has already got an event, so its player bade was busy beating it. It was easy to take crown from Tower Battles, but hard to do the same from tds.

[@GojiraDino675]

I think the reason why Tds is so fun and why I no longer play Tdx aside from completing the battle passes and unlocking towers(My accounts value is hopefully gonna skyrocket a few years down the line😅), is beacause Tds has a very fun gameplay loop. As someone who primarily plays on mobile (I find it easier than most consoles), the constant spamming of towers and intense difficulty spikes in Tdx’s gameplay is just one that I don’t find enjoyable and have actually made me genuinely mad at times (Tower blitz is good but just doesn’t have the amount of players needed for a primarily multiplayer tower defence game. And Tower battles is just so old that I just prefer the unique ascetic and fluid animations that Tds has to offer) . Whereas tds is not too challenging but also not to boring to the point where it feels stale and sloppy. The tower designs are the best in any Roblox td game, the animations are incredibly fun and lively, the enemy variety is great and doesn’t feel repetitive, the maps are great even if some do show their age, I don’t know what their doing with the lore but hey- it works, and the cartoony style really works as well as feeling polished (this is why Btd6 is the best tower defence game overall). Looking at this argument from a different video gaming prospective, yes Overwatch and Apex are newer and have new mechanics to offer, there’s a reason why many people come back to TF2 when playing class based shooters, it’s fun, has a great gameplay loop and has a great art style. Overall what I’m saying is that at the end of the day, I play Video games for fun, and hey if you enjoy Tdx’s more difficult and challenging gameplay or Tower blitz’s unique abilities and towers then hey, all power to you. But Tds will always be the best TD game for me (on Roblox) simply because is fun and charming- like what games are meant to be. (I did not expect to write an essay lol😅)

[@montubbang]

tds can definitely beat tdx with Operation I.C.E, but tdx is also preparing for the event. However, there will be 10,000 tdx users

[@DuckFrKing]

Hi guys

[@DuckFrKing]

Tds is only the first because of how much better quality it has then over ones

[@Jeijard]

Hello duckFrKing!

[@DuckFrKing]

@ hi

[@Shereen3]

​@@DuckFrKingI still like TDX. Quality is not everything in my opinion.

[@ForAsIn4]

Tower battles only reason being alive is that theres something to grind for and only exclusive to the pvp mode so new players will play pvp mode to get that special thing. Theyre try to find every good combo for tower loadouts for pvp but most of the time they keep losing cuz there are still active best tb players trolling noobs with meta loadouts or simply being better. Thats my experience on why i accidentally grinded tb for golden commando. Might get huntsman if the brackets work within my time

[@ForAsIn4]

Adding on, when u compred that tb has more players than tower blitz even though tbz has more things to do, its simply that pvp has infinite possibilities and every pvp match can be completely new while the survival side has been done to death, like youve said, every tower mechanic and unique enmies has been done to death.

[@sriswami1]

As someone who played it i lile awtd atd and astd better grinding and just more fun to me and i think atd characters and skins are good and atd just makes grinding worth it like awtd

[@Cyperreal]

TTD is a disgrace to the Tower Defense community

[@hadijahabutazil9132]

combining it with one of the most hated genres yeah it's bad