Motherhood and Wings of Fire - Analysis

Sorry that this is a bit late coming out - had to do some stuff for my own mother for mother's day. Hope you enjoy regardless!
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0:00 Intro
1:02 Bad Mothers
5:10 Motherhood and History
8:17 Mothers in Xenofiction
12:44 Mothers in WoF
14:50 Outro
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[@amazingdragonboy1202]

It’s ironic how Oasis was so obsessed with making sure that there wasn’t too many heirs yet her death still causes one of the largest succession crises ever

[@pyronuke4768]

1:54 there's Tundra who was emotionally neglectful and straight up encouraged her favorite son to kill her least favorite.

[@tabbystar2011]

If I had a twelve-foot tall, multihorned dragon with buzzing bug wings on my roof, I would rejoice at seeing a real life dragon. I like insects :)

[@Unholy.Trash.Compactor]

My favorite way to write mothers is to make them strong, eager to protect her family, and nurturing. Mothers, if she or her family is threatened, can be very scary when angry or protective.

[@victory8928]

Agree, one of my scariest characters is a mother who has issues with lost. Threaten her oh she doesn’t give hoots, look somewhat menacingly at her children, say goodbye to your jaw privileges

[@Amethyst_the_rain_night]

Tui said that dragons only live to around 150 years old! The scorching happened thousands of years ago.

[@ClowningAroundForFun]

about 5,000* years since the scorching. (*5,012 to be exact)

[@Amethyst_the_rain_night]

@@ClowningAroundForFun yes thank you! (No sarcasm)

[@L-ghtlessSky]

@@ClowningAroundForFunwould it not be 5013 now? with a few months passing between arcs 2 and 3, arc 2 taking about a month to complete and arc 3 being at least a month long, it makes sense

[@ClowningAroundForFun]

@@L-ghtlessSky Oh, probably. 5012 was just the latest confirmed date.

[@amazingdragonboy1202]

4:26 you say that like having any type of dragon on your roof wouldn’t be terrifying

[@JustDuckiest]

If I HAD to have a dragon on my roof, I'd pick a Silkwing for sure. And just hope they aren't a flamesilk

[@L-ghtlessSky]

if i had to have any dragon on my roof I’d pick Coconut.

[@davedarkstalker4650]

13:04 I think you're actually thinking of Splash, Manta's cousin. Though Manta does try to stop Albatross by talking to him and getting him to calm down, it doesn't work, but it was worth a shot

[@TrickyTalon23]

Shoutout to Sixclaws for being the only good father known in Wings Of Fire

[@L-ghtlessSky]

Gill was a good father?? Right?? Oh, wait, fathom?? Clearsight’s dad?? am i looking too far into this-

[@medical-cyanide1526]

@@L-ghtlessSky huh, clearsight’s dad wasn’t named at all. Then again her parents had a very minor role in the book. But from what I can tell from what I remember Swiftwings and clearsights dad were actually okay parents. You may be able to fault them here or there but since they have such a small presence can’t say for sure.

[@pyronuke4768]

Now we just need a video about WoF fathers!

[@medical-cyanide1526]

Fairly muted to be honest? There are a few good examples here or there, but the main focus when it came to parental figures it seems was mothers. Morrowseer would’ve probably been a bad father? Maybe. Actually hard to tell because his only characterizations was to be the antagonist. Never saw anything on his personal life with secret keeper. Then again he was a master manipulator and his only real goal seemed to be securing his tribe a future where they still held some power, which I could see going either way on his parenting. Artic Gill, accidentally put the blame on turtle yet I personally don’t blame him to much as it was just an all around bad situation. Clearsights dad, I think the only thing he was really mentioned in outside of a few lines was something about eating rattlesnake? Fathom seemed pretty good from the little we saw, his own trauma might rub off on em though. Scarlets husband? I’ve yet to read the guide but what little I know of him from the wiki he probably wasn’t involved much. I forget his name Smolder seems to want to try and I’ll give him that. Nor was his absence his fault. Don’t know anything of oasis’s husband, least don’t remember much. Vulture seems absolutely lovely. 10/10. Absolutely no faults to be found. Narwhal just was. Ivy’s father Wrens father Can’t think of many more that were more then implied or background characters.

[@mothwingthemedicinecat]

I like how tui writes mothers, both the good and bad ones, the bad ones are mostly called out, and the good mothers are good to read about, honestly its kinda surpising Ruby is a good mother with how Scarlet treated her and how she taught her, but im glad she is. but it makes me wonder if she would be as good if she had/has a female dragonet that could challenger her to be queen, hopefully she would be. Thorn is a great mother as well. i would want to see the warrior cat and motherhood video, if you made it

[@medical-cyanide1526]

Wonder if this is a case where scarlet traumatized ruby so much that she refuses to let that be herself. Wonder if the original spell had any effect on her as a mother. While from what I remember it wouldn’t necessarily. But it could influence it, like how it has influenced her now.

[@Wonders_horse-life]

HAPPY MOTHER’s DAY TO ALL MOTHERS

[@amazingdragonboy1202]

It’s kind of strange that most dragons won’t even consider the idea of a male ruling even though dragons aren’t particularly sexist otherwise

[@medical-cyanide1526]

To my knowledge there isn’t even a real sexual dimorphism either. The monarchy in that sense seems to be mostly a tradition at that point. Also I could 100% be wrong but I don’t think it’s outright stated to be against the rules either. It’s just not mentioned to have ever happened?

[@amazingdragonboy1202]

@@medical-cyanide1526 The only real practical advantage to having only female rulers I can think of is that it helps ensure the legitimacy of heirs. But apart from that it does seem to be just traditional.

[@AlexandraGraydon]

I don’t think that moons mom is bad at all. She had a egg and decided to hide it and she did have a lot of second thoughts. She wanted what was best for her daughter so she didn’t want moon to be raised in such a horrible place. She pushes moon to get out of her comfort zone witch is normal and kept asking herself if it was the right decision. When she saw moon again she was so happy.

[@thepokepoet9482]

This video is quickly telling me that I should read Wings of Fire

[@charlieisme]

I saw this within 6 seconds of it being posted wow

[@Picklethebirb]

Wow

[@amazingdragonboy1202]

Wow x3

[@tjtheentertainer9376]

I love how Tui writes strong female characters

[@5rcane]

Agreed.

[@theoryfoxes1879]

I honestly love the way motherhood is tackled in WoF, for the most part. I never noticed the whole thing of bad mother figures being balanced out by good ones, it's quite an interesting detail, which adds an interesting undertone I think. It also makes sense that it's like that, with how most characters are dragonets. Fatherhood though is a whole nother story (I know this isn't the point of the video, great analysis and Happy Late Mothers Day!)

[@JustDuckiest]

Love watching you create art ❤

[@_.Sp.a.rk._]

One thing on the topic of mothers in wof I noticed is that even good mothers aren’t actually as good as they should be. Coral is good to her daughters although sexist, neglectful and overprotective. Secretkeeper left her child alone in the rainforest and raised moon to see her power as a curse. Thorn left Sunny in the desert even though hybrids are in the scorpion den, plus shes fine with Qibli working as a kid, maybe because he’s not actually her son so she doesn’t wanna act TOO much like a parent. Glacier is probably one of the best although she said hailstorm isn’t worth trying to save, she had a close relationship with winter so I would assume the same for hailstorm- especially when hailstorm meets expectations better. Sure hailstorm isn’t her son but hers still a child in her family and I feel that the way she treats him may also show a little how she thinks of her own children. I think the best mothers are probably blue’s mothers, I can’t think of any flaws for them

[@Melonwater648]

I remember in The Lost Continent, they were sorta just submissive and wanted to let Luna get captured. I understand the Hivewings were horrible and everything, but they barely tried to fight even when BLUE saw something wrong with it. Coral, while definitely having a good bit of overprotection to her, is clearly trying to make a better effort. In Turtle's book, she seems much more kind and caring, and is also empathetic to how Gill never apologized to Turtle because Snapper was never in the palace. For Secretkeeper, she had to deal with a magical dragonet with powers that havent been seen for 2000 years- she had a right to be worried! For Thorn, yeah for a dragonet that still needs to go to school.. Qibli shouldn't be working as a soldier in the SCORPION DEN, no matter how cunning he is. With Glacier, wouldn't that just be common sense? To get Hailstorm back, she'd have to launch an attack and risk even more deaths, which, in a war is not good. Also, she probably has a lot more duties that she needs to do other than save one dragonet that is probably dead by now. It's a pretty safe assumption when you've met or seen Scarlet. I think the best mother is Six Claw's mother, who, while we don't know much about, didn't traumatize Six Claws or do anything bad (from what I remember)

[@_.Sp.a.rk._]

@@Melonwater648 oh yeah, forgot about him. The only mother with no flaws ig is the one we know almost nothing about. For blue and Lina’s mother, I feel like even in that type of society, a mother would fight for their child. Usually good mothers are the type that don’t care if something’s dangerous, they’ll risk it anyway if they think their kid’s life is at risk so probably not the best mothers for not trying at all

[@XD.73-849]

10:13 that squiggle is so real tho

[@arintea]

Bro like- she said "some bad mothers" most mothers do parenting jerboa style like🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿

[@L-ghtlessSky]

i think the reason jerboa is a bad mother but mine isn’t is because jerboa used magic to suppress her daughter’s personality and my mother used force

[@Spikythespikeball]

I personally think it's funny because Oasis technically just made her entire bloodline disappear both Blister and Burn are dead and it's most likely that blaze is a lesbian and she killed all of her sisters

[@tabbystar2011]

The female thing in Earth Dragons could be based on the behaviour of many species of mammals or birds, where two males would fight over females using either physical strength or elaborate displays. It isn't very right when put into a sentient and sapient view, but if Earth Dragons are written to still be like wild animals, it would make sense. (Although dragons give me the aura of mating for life like eagles)

[@Dawn_the_dragon]

Bold of you to assume I have a mother. I actually have two MWAH HA HA

[@L-ghtlessSky]

BLUE?!

[@user-qz7qm1cn4r]

Maybe you just didn’t pick up on the hint in Dragonslayer that Kestrel actually pretended to kill Sky so she could save both of her dragonets, seeing as she went back for him, saw he was gone, and went growling off. Also, Foeslayer doesn’t care about Whiteout, so you could count her as a bad mother.

[@AvocadoDoesArt]

I did notice that there is not ONE character that I can think of who doesn’t have SOME sort of parental issues. You could argue Clearsight, but she didn’t see her parents ever again after trapping darkstalker since everyone ran away. If anyone can think of one please be my guest!

[@5rcane]

Ostrich, but she's a side character.

[@AvocadoDoesArt]

@@5rcane side character counts! Yay! Is that the only one?

[@user-qz7qm1cn4r]

Luna doesn’t care about her mothers, seeing as she didn’t even think of seeing them through the dream visitor, so you could count her.

[@AvocadoDoesArt]

@@user-qz7qm1cn4r she doesn’t count because of her dad Still a parental figure technically

[@watermelon3914]

hmm, fathom? but idk if he counts because they died. I literally can't think of anyone. Six-claws? ARGHHHH THIS IS SO HARD

[@Dawn_the_dragon]

New video woooooo

[@kat_aclysm]

Holly? Captain Holly was an Owsla from the Sandleford Warren. It's Hyzenthlay from Efrafa that help the Sandleford-Watership Down rabbits to help liberate the rabbits of Efrafa.

[@ravenschippers8267]

What version of the book did you read? Holly wasn't a doe he was a buck, an member of the owsla of the warren the band of rabbits fled in the version i read, do you mean hythanale (cant spell her name off the top of my head lol). The characteristic of the hutch rabbits being especially weak isn't because they were does but because they were domesticated and lacked the survival instincts of the wild rabbits. If you refer to the does from -i forget the name Efrafra?- the reason they are so subdued is because for seasons they were living like literal slaves under the tyrany of the general, the council, and the efrafran owsla. So repressed that many of the does were miscarrying and some were heading down the path of instinctual self termination. Even then a band on them were willing to meet with the council to propose an idea of a new warren, willing to risk escaping even if it ment their death with a band of strangers just for a new chance of life. Thats brave for a bunch of rabbits- does or not- which are generally frightful creatures. I understand how it could come off as mysoginistic given that the main cast are a group of bucks, but the story of how they left their doomed warren, adventured across the country, found and settled on watership down before going about their mission to ensure the legacy of the new warren- their mission was to go to efrafra to convince some of the does to join the new warren but that quickly turned into an escape plan when they found out about the horrors of efrafra- heck all the rabbits who originally went did not want to return there for how unnatural efrafra was. Yeah folks, what isn't mentioned about watership down is that it is a DARK book featuring cute woodland critters trying their best to survive against all odds. the themes get DARK. Good read though.

[@Tallacus]

have you ever read the Age of Fire books by E.E. Knight there are alot of good mothers in that one

[@TrickyTalon23]

Kestrel and Secretkeeper deserve a little slack on this matter. Kestrel never got to be a mother because every SkyWing baby kept getting taken away from her. I’m sure that if she actually got the chance to raise a baby SkyWing, she would’ve been a good mother to them. She never saw any of the Dragonets of Destiny as her own children. Secretkeeper gave up a lot for the safety and better life of her child. The volcano was horrible and slowly killing all the others, so her courage to hide her daughter in the safety of the rainforest, even though it meant they wouldn’t see each other much, proved how much she wanted the best for her daughter. And she handled the NightWing power dilemma pretty appropriately. She knew and was terrified that if the tribe found out that her daughter had their ancient powers, they would take her away. She made her child afraid of it to ensure that she wouldn’t give away her secret to them, because it could’ve been really dangerous if others found out. Maybe she took the curse thing a little too far, but given the difficult unusual circumstances, I’d say she still did a pretty great job. It’s perfectly fitting that Cobra’s name got mentioned twice in that list of bad mothers though. She might be the worst one of them all.

[@pyronuke4768]

I'd argue that Tundra is worse than Cobra. Cobra was physically abusive and emotionally neglectful. Tundra was emotionally manipulative, demanded strict and nearly impossible levels of perfection from her children just so she and her husband could maintain their status, and when worst came to worst she condemned her least favorite son to die at the hands of her most favorite without a hint of remorse. Cobra seemed to at least deep deep down somewhat care for Qibli when she initially tried to talk Thorn out of buying him.

[@TrickyTalon23]

@@pyronuke4768 I think Cobra just wanted to keep Qibli because her father Vulture might punish her if she gave away one of her grandchildren. She only let Thorn take Qibli when she realized Thorn might be even more of a problem if they became enemies. Besides, she was willing to kill her two other kids without a second thought when they got remotely in her way when she could’ve just knocked them out. Tundra is definitely really bad, but Cobra takes the cake for worst parent by letting her children be in danger all the time and actively reminding them that she has no love for them.

[@pyronuke4768]

@@TrickyTalon23 perhaps. I still believe Tundra and Narwhal are worse parents for how manipulative they are, but I don't want this to turn into a petty bickering match over stuff that ultimately doesn't really matter irl. It's nice to see you around. I hope you're having a good day.

[@TrickyTalon23]

@@pyronuke4768 ok then you too

[@keyboard-smash]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/mXXTdYBmoc6nr9U Foeslayer became the NightWing general? I don't remember reading this _anywhere_ in the WoF books

[@Twilightmoon046]

Wow I'm really early

[@MintSkys]

21 minutes

[@lillianbobrowski4931]

Secretkeeper is not a bad mom at all and really cares for Moonwatcher. replace her spot with Tundra who is abusive and really does not care for Winter at all!

[@BigWarriorsComicDub]

1 minute 7 likes? wow!

[@synthwav_]

not everyone has a mother