5UP VINDICATED!

[@AmongUsAcademy]

🎄MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU AND YOUR LOVED ONES! 🎄 What started as a plan for “12 Days of Christmas” extended a bit longer. Hope you enjoyed all our commentary and editing, your support has meant the world! Please have a good time and stay safe this festive season! ❤

[@decxmbers]

Merry Christmas !

[@jakemichal1220]

What was the plan

[@jaytep5647]

merry christmas and thank you bait for your hard work!

[@AmongUsAcademy]

@@jakemichal122012 videos this month. Been a couple more by now 😂

[@DarkReputation]

@@AmongUsAcademy just modify aurial, making it so that it can't see colors unless the interaction happens to themself.

[@TheDailyEgg]

Lol the way people were actively trying to ignore 5up's info as if it's some meta info that they shouldn't use. Like, it's part of his role, aurial info is fair game. If you play with aurial, then that's the type of games you could get. Either ban the role or use the info when it's given, none of this in-between stuff they were trying to do here

[@iiAyJayo]

I think it's because Dumbdog has defended the role, and now doesn't want to admit that he's wrong and 5up is right. At the very least, colors should be turned off.

[@jonathanwoodard4541]

​@@iiAyJayoDumbDog is a great player but kinda not that great at running the lobby or being in charge of the roles/rules tbh lol

[@TheDailyEgg]

@@jonathanwoodard4541 I think DD does a solid job, considering he's in charge of it every week. Though I think if they swapped who was the host every week, they would get a lot more interesting variety with the settings. I remember Kara and 5up were in charge one week, and they actually played on different maps for once, and played with different roles and settings, which is what made them play with more modded roles in the first place. They should try that

[@SuperMixxx]

@@iiAyJayo yeh its weird they know the role is in the game and they instantly use samples and medic shield at start when they know they can be against an auriel that can use stuff.. its just weird how they dont know its only medic and morph since they dont use the last one in the lobby... and yet 5up got flack for his opinion and then he points it out again when he is auriel and he gets gaslit

[@AmongUsAcademy]

@@TheDailyEggI will say 5up and Kara have both been on record liking Vitals in Lab (which they play with in their other lobbies together). 🤔

[@WestAirAviation]

I agree with Steve that round had everything in it lol. Salty Dumbdog, 5Brain5Up, amnesiacing a sherrif'd imposter. Swapper clutch in final 4. Fantastic.

[@AmongUsAcademy]

Steve got so excited at the ending 😂

[@Squall598]

It was an excellent round, the amount of chatter at the end and the passion in the conversation usually means it was a good game as well.

[@shawnli7767]

@@AmongUsAcademy honestly i used to watch dumbdogs stream everything but he's gotten way too salty. nothing is ever his fault and he complains way too much that he was wronged . like this game is a lot of luck and intuition, just give people their props and stop whining so much.

[@Nicky-mk1nv]

@@shawnli7767 I like dd but he can be pretty arrogant or stubborn with suggestions, he feels very sure of when he thinks he is right about something even when he may not be.

[@aleksandra5808]

Nah that was 100% Scott's own fault and he has no reason to be mad. I would understand if what happened to Kara was weeks ago so he forgot Aurial was a danger, but when it literally outs a Morphling *one* round prior he should have learned from that not to sample immediately. Plus, I was watching from his POV and the moment 5up ran back towards the button at 26:40 I knew what was up. If he had payed attention, called sab and killed 5up he still could've saved it. He did none of that, he deserved to lose.

[@461weavile]

I think maybe "deserved to lose" is a bit excessive, but I'll definitely agree that he deserved all the suspicion he would get from that. That's how a game should work: if you make that big of a mistake, you should have that much more difficulty winning.

[@xyex]

​@@461weavileI would agree "deserved to lose." He made a mistake, _realized_ the mistake, and didn't do anything to try and fix his mistake. He could have, as was already explained. He threw the game by not doing it.

[@EleanoRa99]

I think the others’ reactions to 5up’s info would have been different if even one of dumbdog, hafu and Kara had been crew. They were jester, morphling and exe for 5up specifically. I feel like it would have played out slightly differently with different roles!

[@tortillachips3911]

Nah, 5up is SO vindicated here. I still think no colors at ALL Aurial. Either way, he needed to make a big splash with this so the lobby KNOWS about this. Otherwise they can't start changing their play to avoid getting outed! SOMEONE had to do it!

[@Yumi-wy3ds]

Ok but scott got caught because he missplayed, he just got out of a game where the previous imposter got caught as morphiling for insta-sampiling, and then he gets into another game and also inta-samples, that is not on aurial being op that is on scott

[@AmongUsAcademy]

A little bit. But goes to show how easy it is to forget to wait to sample, even for a high Impostor IQ like Scott. Seems like something needs to change with either Morphling or Aurial

[@kiwisvideos0]

Agree. That was on Scott. If they don't care enough to change their way of playing morph, then either don't whine about it or just ban Aurial really

[@aleksandra5808]

Plus you can see from his POV 5up appear and then run back to the button. At the very least, he could've fixed his mistake by calling sab and killing 5up, but he wasn't paying attention to his surroundings.

[@nuru666]

I think what people are forgetting to take into account is: Is having Aurial on/being Aurial any fun? Is it detracting from the fun anyone else in the lobby is having? Is it causing issues for players? The answers, to me at least, are No, Yes and Yes. It doesn't matter what we think of their play styles or if they're "being patient enough" or not, the fact of the matter is if people in the lobby aren't having fun then the viewers aren't enjoying watching, viewership plummets, people stop showing up, viewership goes down even more and eventually DD just takes the lobby around back and shoots it - pun intended. I'm genuinely unhappy even thinking about that but it's true, 5up is a major player in the lobby and if he decides it's not fun any more he could pull out at any time and just not play anymore, which could easily cause the aforementioned downwards spiral. I honestly think Auriel should be removed from circulation until *something*, anything is done about it. Getting caught out because you forgot there's a 20% chance someone has the Role Sniffer on so you went straight to work is complete BS, and honestly if I were Kara or Scott I'd be telling DD as much right along side 5up.

[@joaxx4627]

Donners wakes up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat. The recurring nightmare had been plaguing him for some time, hundreds of discord messages from Bait about balance changes. Unable to go back to sleep, he turns on his PC to do a few bugfixes. Except this time, something is different... This time, the nightmare has become reality...

[@AmongUsAcademy]

This comment is gold, shared it with Donners who had a good chuckle too! 🤣

[@MatchaJus]

This goes WAYY back to when someone meta sussed 5up because he sounded too disinterested in the game to be crew. He was crew, but he was voted. You 100% said that it was 5up’s job to hide his tells despite the fact that he was tired that day. It’s the same thing. It’s the morph’s job to show restraint and be aware that an instant use of ability at the start of the game will put a heavy sus on them if there’s an observant Aurial. Full stop. If they lose a game because they forgot that fact, that’s on them for not hiding their role’s tells. But speaking on that- This was my problem with Aurial during that video when DumbDog played as Aurial. All he did was run around and wait for arrows to pop up and continued to sus and press on the person until they were cleared. If they could get cleared. He didn’t care about timing of abilities or the context of someone using their abilities, everyone was guilty until proven innocent. That was not a fun game to watch, and it couldn’t be fun to play against.

[@TheDailyEgg]

I think all crew roles should be a button push to use abilities. And each button push is at the cost of a task. If you do 5 tasks, you get 5 button pushes to use your ability. This would limit a lot of these op crew roles, and bring the focus back to completing tasks as crew. That way you won't have stuff like that DD round where he dedicated himself to looking at arrows, he'd be limited by the amount of tasks he completes and would only have the ability turn on for a set amount of time to see the arrows.

[@AmongUsAcademy]

I have no doubt the regulars of the Lobby would have adjusted - ie in any subsequent rounds, there wouldn’t be a third Morphling game where people sample within the first 10s. (Probably, maybe Steve forgets 😂) The issue is however if that’s an “unspoken requirement to play Morphling” - you introduce a huge skill floor with that - and so when a non-regular Eg RyanHiga or Yinsu plays as Morphling - they’re gonna get outed straight away in their first Morphling game. That’s a bit different to when I say “hide your tells when playing” so you don’t have a distinct Impostor Voice and Crew Voice - that advice transcends Among Us and is applicable to any Social Deduction game eg Liar’s Bar, Poker, Duck Duck Goose etc

[@461weavile]

OK, new idea: what if the radius is adjusted by your task completion rate? If you have 44% of your tasks completed, multiply the radius chosen in the settings by 0.44x so the Aurial will have to work for the benefit in the same realm that Mayor was changed to now require effort.

[@blahthebiste7924]

That's all valid, BUT, it's still a nerf to Morphling from where it was before. Which imo is not warranted or even really OK. Most Imposter roles don't even use their abilities because of Vigi, and adding Aurial on top of it... Like at that point you might as well just be playing as a vanilla imposter while the crew still have a ton of bonus tools at their disposal.

[@tortillachips3911]

agreed ​@@blahthebiste7924

[@codex_jinora]

5up is clearly right here. Aurial can very easily (and sneakily) figure out imposters based on context and ability usage alone. And yes morphlings could technically wait to use their abilities, but the fact they use an ability at all is already enough to keep a closer eye on them. It just feels very "peeking girl during a game of Werewolves" ish. That card is often taken out with a reason. Yes, there's counterplay but it's minimal, and if the Aurial is smart they can fly completely under the radar and get all evils out in 2 rounds.

[@SubtleSlacker]

how is it different from getting caught by an engineer in the vent or an investigator? or transporting into a recent kill? i just don't see the argument here at all

[@VanNguyenVNA]

​​​@@SubtleSlacker Engineer, Investigator and Transporter cannot know the exact role of the killer though - they could have outed the sheriff. With colour on, Aurial can know the exact role of the killer because morphling can sample early and even if they don't, Aurial can deduct who is the morphling based on who used the ability near the one being morphed as. The grenadier can be figured out because the arrow will point towards the centre of the blast. A miner who places a vent sneakily out of vision or in a stack could be caught as well. Venerer can use their ability without anyone nearby, the only crew role I can think of that does this is the transporter but most people stand still when they transport people Edit I forgot the Engineer who can fix a sabotage from anywhere but that could be figured out easily

[@SubtleSlacker]

​@@VanNguyenVNA If I see you unswoop, unmorph, or I am not inside of the inside of the flash because I am in a vent I 100% can tell your exact role. That has happened many more times in morning lobby history than aurial reveals of morphling. If I seee your feet while morphed or swooped - I know your exact role. I can honestly go on and on.

[@VanNguyenVNA]

@@SubtleSlacker But seeing someone unswoop and unmorph applies to every single role. Aurial has the ability to tell exact roles IN ADDITION to seeing someone unswoop or unmorph - they are not mutually exclusive. The only valid one is jumping in a vent and avoiding the flash, but the vision is very low compared to the Aurial range. Investigator seeing foot step of morphling or swooper is a confirmed bug that has been fixed, so that is not intentional

[@VanNguyenVNA]

@@SubtleSlacker And I have not mentioned the ability to know the exact role of a crewmate to hard clear them as well (like here where 5up knows Junk is transporter or if you see someone clicked and the sabotage is fixed then it must be the Engineer). No need to know the movement, the pathing, or the task done by that player. I don't recall any other crew that could hard clear someone else, maybe aside from a sheriff misfire.

[@royaltutranch]

Ok holy desync! That first kill was crazy! Steve sees Kara go up and passes a live Antfrost. Then he gets a report button as he is walking into storage. But from Kara’s pov, she kills Ant before Steve even gets there, and thinks it’s dark enough and she has left quick enough that Steve didn’t see. That sequence seen both ways is unbelievable.

[@jakobr_]

I’m disappointed they took aurial out of their game. It seemed like the role was in a state where it hadn’t “settled” yet. Those who bothered to learn how it worked were running laps around those that didn’t. These imposters could have adjusted their play styles to not walk right into a loss with the aurial in mind, but it seems like everyone wanted to keep playing as if the aurial didn’t exist and then *surprised pikachu face* when the aurial tripped them up.

[@sliverhalo9286]

5up shouldn’t feel bad people should take what he has to say seriously. If he was just listened to properly then he wouldn’t of had to be a whole situation for the imposters of both those games

[@quitthinkin]

*have not of

[@sliverhalo9286]

@@quitthinkin ??

[@quitthinkin]

@@sliverhalo9286 its "wouldnt HAVE had" not a big deal just pointing it out. Nice comment tho

[@idontknow0908]

I have felt the same way as 5up ever since I saw aurial where I didn’t like it and it felt to op, so to see 5up pretty much abuse the role 2 games in a row to get it disabled made me quite happy

[@AmongUsAcademy]

Merry Christmas 5up, hope you enjoyed your gift of “VINDICATION”! 🎁

[@TheDailyEgg]

Fair play to 5up. He proved his point. I never really liked the Aurial role, so it's not like anyone will miss it. But, I still say that it's just something you have to play around if it's enabled. It is OP in the right hands against people who don't even understand what an Aurial does lol

[@jdayyy8003]

Aurial is disgustingly good when put into right hands who understands the role.

[@niccxxl]

23:15 "you just give bad vibes." LMAOOOO SCOTT IS SO FUNNY

[@niccxxl]

5up OP-ing the aurial to remove it from the game lmaooooo

[@Funtime2UwU]

As an avid enjoyer of silliness in these lobbies: I think Morphling should just wait. It seems like a bad idea to get rid of the entire a ability for the first ten seconds of Aurial, they should be able to find medic (both crew afterall). Buffing Morphling also seems unnecessary

[@emobx02]

just here to drop my 5up is smart and usually right whether people like him or not support comment before the haters descend (not talking about you among us academy, just the haters in general lol)

[@TheDailyEgg]

He did have some bad games, but now that hafu is back, he seems to be playing better

[@SvenClavo]

5up is my favorite always and forever

[@AmongUsAcademy]

I’m disappointed there aren’t hate comments at 5up! WTF! Why is everyone supporting him here?! 😂

[@AmongUsAcademy]

/s

[@VanNguyenVNA]

​@@AmongUsAcademyI wanted to make a joke about how 5up is bad, but in another game. However I remembered that he is an A-tier player in MCC and reached Challenger in League

[@sugerwillowsmores5345]

Makes me so mad how everyone dismissed 5ups info

[@AmongUsAcademy]

Now I think with the current available settings, Aurial being banned is reasonable. But I do think the role is still playable IF EITHERL a) Morphling can morph without sampling first b) Aurial detection is disabled for the first 10s of 1st and all subsequent rounds

[@GhostHawk272]

Or, the morphing should wait for 10 sec or so before sampling someone

[@zavillion893]

​@@GhostHawk272But that makes it so people can just figure out who was near them and work out who couldve sampled them

[@choco1101]

I like the role. Sad that it’s gone.

[@GhostHawk272]

@@zavillion893 You make a fair point. I suppose a solution would be for the morphing to only sample once 10s has passed AND they sample from a group. But at this point it’s better to make the changes AUA suggested

[@NotCon]

i think aurial needs a change, not morphling. i dont know why so many people insist on the role remaining the way it is. its not fun to be the aurial, and its not fun to be against the aurial.

[@tremkl]

I think the Glitch ability is intended to be stronger than Morphling, as the Morphling is an imposter with an ally and sabotages.

[@AmongUsAcademy]

True that’s the argument I’ve heard. However Glitch does also have the Hack ability.

[@Abba_Fan]

​@@AmongUsAcademyAn ability that is generally not used until the end game.

[@AmongUsAcademy]

@@Abba_FanI mean you could buff the Glitch Mimic duration as well potentially. Lots of other nuances to play with

[@Abba_Fan]

@@AmongUsAcademy Imo keep roles as is and just make it so Aurial can't see colors until they do their tasks

[@blahthebiste7924]

Buff Morphling to current Glitch morph ability. Buff Glitch to completely unlimited duration, free swapping morphing. When was the last time anyone complained about Glitch being OP?

[@chloecymbol7559]

Justice for my boy 5up

[@Thassar]

Auriel is a role which 90% of the time is going to be pretty useless, you see an arrow and it can be anything from a tracker to an arsonist to a transporter and it's almost impossible to know what. Most of the time it's not even in your vision range and they're gone by the time you get there. A skilled player might end up with a little extra info but not enough to be useful. But then in the other 10% of games you get situations like this where the auriel just solves the entire game round 1 and they can't even share it without getting assassinated. So either they ruin the morphling's game and don't get to play or they effectively play a vanilla crewmate all game. They should probably disable the role to be honest, it doesn't add much to the game and I don't think it would be missed.

[@AmongUsAcademy]

They do end up disabling it at the end

[@Squall598]

It either doesn't do anything or it clutches the whole game for crew. The other one is it screws over plague bearer often.

[@461weavile]

I mean, that pretty much describes all the crew roles. Think about how many times the medic dies before the person they shielded gets attacked. Think about how many times the vigilante guesses correctly. Think about how many non-Koji people get any/hang remotely useful from tracker arrows. Tbh, even think about how often the sheriff picks wrong and the crew draw all the wrong conclusions. I think this is the purpose of the roles. Now, I know 5up prefers to play vanilla, but he's overreacting to want the role removed completely. He's right that colors don't need to be on for this group of players, but they don't need to simply disable the role. I think it's probably smart to turn it off for a moment until they decide what they really want to do with it, but the should turn it back on with maybe a reduced radius or whatever. Having it on will force the imposters to get better. I'd have to check the stats to see how often imposters win compared to crewmates and neutral, but maybe it'll be good to slightly reduce how much the imposters win, and the better imposters will win more often than the rest.

[@tortillachips3911]

​@@AmongUsAcademy I agree with that decision for now. There's ways to fix the "unfun" factor, but until that happens, it'll just cause more pain than joy.

[@Natty11100]

I think it's good that 5up brought it up so now people should know not to sample right away otherwise someone smart like dumb dog could use that info and hold on to it knowing who's probably imposter and kind of cheesing the game

[@AmongUsAcademy]

I mean technically “I bought it up” 2 weeks earlier…. But who’s counting 😅

[@Natty11100]

@AmongUsAcademy yeah but in valo terms your videos are more like scrims while the actual lobby is more like match day

[@XBuilderBob]

Man that Steve clip of imposters trying so hard gets some good mileage. It never gets old. Also this wasn't even the most beautifully disgusting Auriel play by 5up that day. The next game where he caught out Scott as morphling was 10 times better IMO because he can't defend against it like Kara did this game with the quick lie about other roles. Edit: I commented halfway through this lmao. I see now that was included lol

[@AmongUsAcademy]

Keep up midvideo comments, I love reading people’s “live” reactions!

[@461weavile]

Just started watching. The title alone has me intrigued and excited. Also, DD "I'm typing in discord and not moving." Too real, man.

[@bleachbleachBLEACHER]

I - like 5up - called the Aurial out as being a problematic role as soon as it was introduced. I think it just gives too much information when people are paying enough attention. It's easier to deduce a killer's exact role and identity off of an Aurial arrow than even off a list from a Trapper or Doomsayer. I don't think it plays well with the rest of the mod pack and really can't think of a good way to balance it out without effectively turning it into a different role entirely.

[@AmongUsAcademy]

21:10 Let’s not forget how clutch Janet and Smajor were to secure the Crew W in that game! 😮

[@Edwoonie]

Nah I’m mad at that one lol

[@titaniumtogekiss]

“you’re just giving bad vibes” is the funniest and craziest stated reasoning in this year of lobby i think

[@461weavile]

Yessss, Janet on that vigilante move was top-notch. Scott did a great job using swapper, too, but Janet's move was way more impressive.

[@whinyrabbitloser]

5up was literally so bigbrained and honestly it was annoying seeing how they were trying to ignore him. im so glad he got to finally show how his concerns about aurial were indeed real concerns 😭😭😭😭

[@ryanchapman3995]

Aurial should be changed to an imposter role. The ability to guess during the meetings based on Aurial info would make it more interesting.

[@AmongUsAcademy]

Oh that’s pretty cute and clever. An Evilrial

[@pigtails98]

​@AmongUsAcademy lol Evilrial.... or you could call it Evil Empath. It senses crew powers being used. 5up would probably still not like colors being turned on... so either turn off colors or give it a delay like amni. But maybe 2 seconds, not 5.

[@nefariou5]

turning morphling into glitch invalidates the glitch. making it so the aurial role cant see for the first ten seconds cause we're worried we might upset players that cant be bothered to wait 10 seconds to sample is insane. also the whole thing about "all the players are gone from dropshit after ten seconds makes it harder to sample" GOOD. randomly sampling in dropship was always the worst thing about morphling

[@461weavile]

I tend to agree. It'd be better if the morphing has to co sides who and when to sample, same as the arsonist has to consider when and who to douse and ignite and the blackmailed has to consider when and who to blackmail.

[@Jay-gm7vh]

Without a doubt the best endgame yet

[@AmongUsAcademy]

Overlooked part of the game - how clutch Janet and Scott were!

[@jeffreysherman8224]

Kara will NEVER make that mistake again. She's super smart and a beast at this game.

[@dxfifa]

You mean the one who never gets voted as crew and gets voted the most as impostor... That does not indicate a good player lmao. Massive leak that prevents success

[@AmongUsAcademy]

15:13 I think Morphling would be fine if they could just Morph without Sampling first. It would eliminate the issues with the Aurial - and I don’t think would be overpowered at all.

[@autismrk8636]

They can't because then it's no different the the unmodded game's shape shifter but with less animation

[@kevinsantos8439]

I agree, Morphling shouldn't have to sample, just like Shapeshifter doesn't need to sample in vanilla, nor does the Glitch who on top of that can also hack someone. even without the sampling, Morphling is a worse version of Glitch. I feel the same way about the Phantom role in vanilla, because you can't kill while invisible & a cloud appears when you become visible again, making it not only terrible compared to Swooper but barely usable.

[@TheDailyEgg]

Instead of buffing morphling, they could also just nerf it and have it wait 10 seconds before being able to sample like most other roles. Or like Donners was saying, just play better. If you know there's an Aurial, don't sample immediately lol

[@Natty11100]

I think they just need the info that someone could use it against them so don't sample right away or you'll get cheesed

[@Natty11100]

You also get extra info in knowing who the medic is and kind of protecting them

[@bland6004]

So glad they are finally considering removing Aurial. I appreciate 5up using the role as he did because the only way to convince people it's broken is to use it properly.

[@chikkypoo]

I think it's a bit sad that several people, when they get Impostor, say, "Damn, I don't like being Imp in this lobby." I've always felt the game should favor Impostors more, giving them a better chance to win, especially since they're essentially playing 2v8. It reminded me of the hide-and-seek mode when Hafu said, "People have fun when they win," during a discussion about settings. Increasing win rates for Impostors would make the role more enjoyable for everyone when they get it, rather than just adding more roles that directly counter them. The way 5up feels about Auriel is exactly how I feel about Amnesiac and Undertaker.

[@codyrogoff8985]

Those that call 5up washed are the first to get super salty the second he decides to get even a hint of sweaty 😅 😂

[@deleted-something]

we see true rng as bad rng, as our brain isn't really made to understand randomness, if we saw for example the numbers 1, 3 and 8 in a sequence as a crazy chance instead of 3,3,3 for example it would be the same problem, we tend to think that events always are affected by previous events, (gambler's fallacy), and we also are horrible at "creating" random numbers, avoiding "clean" numbers, this causes numbers like 7 and 37 being factors higher than 1 and 70 for example (in select a number from 0 to to 10, and 0 to 100 subsequently)

[@hugokbf]

Yeeah, you are right, but only if you are considering the exact sequence. On your example, the chance of getting one 1, one 3 and one 8 is greater than the chance of getting three consecutive 3s. But i agree with everything else you wrote.

[@Raegekimba]

Its so funny that no one in this lobby like to be imposter

[@quonk1762]

Shrimp lobby personnel here: Personally, I don’t have a problem with the Aurial role. Depending on the settings that you play with, it can be a very balanced role. Because of the limited settings and roles that the Morning Lobby use, they’re better off just removing the Aurial all together. If they were doing a more chaos based lobby which included every single role having a chance of being present, this issue wouldn’t be an issue.

[@quitthinkin]

Scott singing "UNDERNEATH THE CHRISTMAS TREE" i assume the panic was causing the off key pitch lol!

[@tortillachips3911]

I also like the potential of making Aurial interactions have to be SO close to on target that it almost works like the Sixth Sense modifier

[@9thgen66]

Seeing Dumbdog sore at the end gave me so much satisfaction

[@Squall598]

That first kill looked so weird. It teleported Antfrost (who was getting killed) and for a split second had him next to his own dead body. Then Kara magically appeared there.

[@alexblud319]

5up getting vindicated we love to see it.

[@AmongUsAcademy]

23:30 hope your Christmas morning was exciting as Steve was here 😊

[@LeeSpork]

I like how the morphling needs to sample. I think it is a cool gimmick, and it makes the role unique from the vanilla shapeshifter

[@jordanfromtheb]

aurial is a weird role and i never felt great about it. instead of aurial i think it would be cool to instead have a crew role that can charge up an ability through task completion which activates extended vision for a short time (let's say 5 seconds). it would be unable to be activated when a sabotage gets called and it would be less than full imposter vision. it would allow for some more unique gotcha moments when the role catches a killer but also unique bluffs by killers and 3rd parties.

[@CottidaeSEA]

An idea which doesn't necessarily solve the issue itself, Aurial having a resource system where they can activate and deactivate their ability more or less as they please, but they can only use it for a certain amount of time each game. After that it has expended all "spiritual powers" or something like that.

[@Duck_side]

I think it would work fine if instead of an arrow, it just made the screen flash to indicate an ability has been used in your vicinity, exactly the same as medic when someone attacks your shielded target. Removing the arrows is all the role needs to nerf it

[@CottidaeSEA]

@Duck_side It'd probably make the role kind of unplayable, but yes, it'd solve the biggest issue. The thing about having it be a toggle is that you could add a cooldown. If you make it the common 10s or similar, you'd be able to remove the morphling issue along with making it a far more active role, which I am in favor of with probably every single role. I'd rather have someone make an active decision with their role.

[@AmongUsAcademy]

That also works - make it an active ability

[@tortillachips3911]

Another way to switch up Aurial would be to give roles like Investigator a button to click immediately too

[@blahthebiste7924]

There are a lot of good ideas in this comments section, like giving Aurial a cooldown, or buffing Morphling, or simply disabling Aurial entirely. But I think that the best idea is to make it an imposter role. It seems really fun to use for evil, and that way, when it outs someone completely, it's just 1 crew down instead of half of the imposters.

[@SoulFire9001]

The Dev's RNG explanation makes sense. One thing the Dev could do is simulate impostor/crew assignments thousands of times, and if there's a bug, then it would show up in the results of that simulation. But, if there were a bug affecting the RNG, it would be more noticeable patterns than one person in a lobby during the gaming session see a role 3 times in a row.

[@jamesarnquist8103]

This 2 game sequence really illustrates that Scott plays the game based mostly off of vibes and not really a fan of strict deduction.

[@461weavile]

I agree with Donners about morph vs glitch. I would suggest that a fix would be to give any non-sheriff killer a round timer next to the action buttons that shows how long it's been since the meeting ended.

[@MrEzioCraft360]

Ye I think that the design philosophy of the aurial is flawed in the same sense that the investigator is; it lacks condition or risk. Think of other roles; snitch is freaking dangerous and ahrd to get value from, medic is hard to get the right info from it, transporter cannot use vitals, vigilante and sheriff straight up kills you, etc. With aurial and investigator, you just get information, and you keep of getting a supply of it until any of it is useful, and yes, when they do get useful information, is hard accuse levels of useful. I believe that aurial and investigator should be an active in both cases. For example, investigator could activate an instant ability that is on a 30 second cooldown to reveal the footpring around them, on a small area around them, so that they can analyse the pathing before those fade. In case of the aurial, make it a 10 second duration ability like with old veteran, and during that time you get to see the arrows, or maybe your screen flashes when something happens near you, like a kill or something, but then goes on a 30 second cooldown where you can't see them. That would make the information on thos roles limited and, more importantly, conditional.

[@AmongUsAcademy]

I will say a lot of crew roles lack “risk” eg Spy, Tracker etc - they get extra information with no downside

[@MrEzioCraft360]

@AmongUsAcademy I've never heard of spy, but I consider tracker to be inconsistent enough for its info to be conditional. The refresh speed could very well be a cooldown. On the same line of thought though, I feel like tracker's ability could benefit if once you track someone, you had an active ability to show the arrow st a particular instance, instead of it autorefreshing passively

[@AmongUsAcademy]

Spy basically gets "Coloured Admin Table" which is pretty strong info.

[@gemiae428]

What if Investigator was changed to an active almost exactly like Tracker in which you have to click on somebody and then you will always be able to see their footprints for the rest of the game. It doesn't put the ability on cooldown to only see footprints during a certain period of time, but you have to choose who you will be observing, and have to be near the individual to gain information. Although I guess that just ends up making it a worse Tracker? It would be way more effective knowing people's pathing in your immediate area, but loses the ability to know where people are across the map like Tracker does.

[@MrEzioCraft360]

@gemiae428 i think that would be fine as well for the investigator tbh. Tracker's info is usually focused towards people's position and sudden big changes in movement, while inverstigator is more of pathing in the near vicinity, so I'd say they're different enough

[@elliottcharlesreed]

5up 100% correct, I knew Aurial was too powerful as soon as I saw it. wp pointing it out using real time examples

[@Lerker2000]

Just make Aurial a true "active" ability with a long uptime. 10s CD off spawn, lasts 20s, then 20s CD before you can re-activate.

[@AmongUsAcademy]

I like that suggestion.

[@ChristianAkacro]

The RNG thing is confirmation bias from DumbDog. The original iPod Shuffle had the same issue where it was true random selection but people complained they'd see too much from the same artist or CDs played in order, except that true random means that SOMETIMES THAT HAPPENS. But our brains are keyed to detect patterns out of the randomness so it FEELS like it's not random. So Apple implemented a psuedo random behaviour which would disfavour songs from the same album as the next in the list making them less likely, but not impossible to get in a row, and the complaints went away despite it actually being less random afterwards. It FEELS more random cuz the patterns are harder to detect.

[@AmongUsAcademy]

DumbDog genuinely believes the code is written wrong. I can see someone go the casino saying “omg, can’t believe the number 8 has rolled 3 times in a row on the roulette wheel” - but it’s another thing to say “this roulette wheel is still rigged and not truly random” I spoke to Donners who reassured me that the code - as is - is truly random. Only some people want it changed to “weighted random”.

[@chazparkermeyers]

​@@AmongUsAcademy Yeah, weighted random would be bad for a social deduction game because in a 50/50, you could reasonably conclude "person A was impostor earlier in the session, so person B is a better vote". You've talked about this before. The iPod thing is also true. Randomness often doesn't feel random. I think most music players for this nowadays doesn't do, "We will give you a random song from this playlist next" and instead does, "We randomized the order of this playlist so you'll listen to everything once but not in a normal order". (Obviously that would be super bad for a social deduction game.)

[@grymmhain3893]

@@chazparkermeyersdepends on how the weighted random works. It could present a better chance to not get the same role three times in a row without making it impossible. And in the morning lobby they tend to avoid role calls unless voted out. It’s entirely possible for imposters to bluff a role they know someone who is dead had at that point and not be countered even with a roll call. It could also be done so people could still be imposter multiple times but get different roles within that. So just being imposter in the last game wouldn’t mean you weren’t in the current game especially with multiple imposter role variations being used as they are in the morning lobby. I’ll agree as it is the code is producing a true random (as much as possible for code anyway) but that doesn’t mean the user experience is a good one or even optimal. As noted there’s a reason Apple changed how their shuffle works rather than being overly proud of the true random outcome.

[@PineappleFlau]

@@AmongUsAcademy Human beings in general are just REALLY bad at actually identifying random things. Something about the way we recognize patterns, we tend to think that true random should be a perfect shuffle, you flip a coin 10 times, exactly 5 heads, 5 tails. But if you go flip a coin right now, it wouldn't be insane if you got 7 heads, 3 tails. Mostly, humans are okay with that, we expect SOME variance, maybe 50/50 can be 45/55 sometimes. However, if you flip long enough, it's not even that hard to get something like 10 heads in a row, without anyone breaking how random the universe is. If you tell someone you've done that, though, they would be skeptical, and start arguing that the coin must be rigged. An interesting thought on randomness related to that is this: If you flip a coin ten times, and get the exact sequence HHTHHTTHTH - this is EXACTLY as rare as getting 10 heads in a row. You would spend roughly the same amount of time trying to replicate this as you would getting 10 in a row. This is because while getting 6 heads and 4 tails isn't uncommon, if you reduce it to a pre-determined sequence, now there's only one way to get it, the same as there's only one way to get 10 heads. I flipped a regular coin to get that sequence just now, and probably no one would doubt that that's true or claim that my coin was rigged, despite it being just as "hard" to get that sequence as it would be to get 10 heads. This is entirely due to humans recognizing the pattern of 10 heads and assuming that can't happen naturally anywhere near as easily as my sequence.

[@brentos3674]

Aurial is too op and needs to be nerfed. Personally, I'm in favour of a solution that I think was suggested in another of your videos, but that is that it leaves an 'aura' (no colour, just an indication) on the ground when interactions occur, but no arrow. This means that you actually have to be exploring and paying attention to find extra info, and you also loose the timing and see through walls aspect of the role which are what really make it OP. You could also add a slight variance to its exact position (eg it sometimes forms a little away from where it actually happened) to stop the things lime 5up catching Scott that will happen in the next game, though that may be unnecessary really. In regards to your suggested morphling change or the change to disable aurial in the first 10 seconds, I disagree. Glitch having that edge is good for it, so I prefer morphling being around. And disabling aurial like that just seems weird. As long as the morphling can have a little restraint, it's fine. Any imposter as a miner shows plenty of restraint to try and stop themselves getting guessed, and that's basically the same thing, so they can learn a bit of restraint with that.

[@blahthebiste7924]

RE: slight variance: I think desync has that handily covered

[@brentos3674]

@@blahthebiste7924 For most things around the map during the round, absolutely, but the thing variance would really help with would be morphling sample off rip in a new round, like how Scott got caught. But really I think it's fine to be without that and just have people learn not to do that

[@niccxxl]

my 2 cents! aurial has a counterplay and shouldnt be removed

[@tortillachips3911]

15:36 I also like this option, but I prefer Morphling's ability to switch to the Mimic ability. Maybe there's another way to nerf the Morphling in exchange, but it REALLY is silly to ruin the ONE impostor role that almost always uses their ability!

[@AmongUsAcademy]

18:42 DumbDog with the sixth sense “How come I feel like Koji’s dead?”💀 😮

[@choco1101]

IRL Aurial

[@AmongUsAcademy]

@@choco1101 more like the “Medium” role

[@the-corelight2111]

I see everyone talking about aurial but I would like to say koji is also onto something with vig vig was great in the beginning but now the role is literally only there to stop miner gren blackmailer morphing being used or used a lot less so they don’t get guessed idk I would like to see them turn off vig to see how imposters could use there role more

[@brentos3674]

The problem isn't (just) Vig, more often it's neutral killers who can guess imposter. To even consider turning off imposters being able to be guessed you'd have to disable neutral guessing, which I just think is bad.

[@the-corelight2111]

@ yea I see your point maybe can’t guess imposters? I think that’s bad too at least it’s less likely to get guess with no vig tbf

[@AmongUsAcademy]

@@the-corelight2111let’s not forget Game 1 Janet literally won by guessing “ARSONIST” on Baycon. So should Neutral Killers and Impostors both be unguessable? Using your logic - Arsonists should be afraid to kill multiple people at once to avoid giving away there’s and “Arsonist” - akin to Blackmailer or Miner avoiding their ability use

[@the-corelight2111]

@@AmongUsAcademy that’s why I was saying no more vig but then again idk it’s a hard sell either way what do you think about vig I always love your opinions

[@AmongUsAcademy]

I don’t mind Vigi. It’s high risk, high reward. Let’s pretend Janet shot wrong on final 5. She dies. 2 crew and 2 killers left, that wrong shot costs crew the game and they lose. If you think Vigi is overpowered cause - let’s say round 1 it’s like Kara getting outed as Morphling - well the Sheriff could also just kill Kara with just as much certainty as the Vigi can (I guess I’m thinking more of a Janitor duo - where you know 2 players are the duo but not which one is the Janitor - Vigi is 50% chance, Sheriff is 100% chance of killing the impostor). Long way of saying, I don’t mind Vigilante.

[@alexandertrent]

Usually a DD viewer of the bunch, 5up has definitely proved how broken the role can be even without color, it’s a pesti counter that rarely even works, pointless role. Hope DD takes it out.

[@blynneda]

We've seen enough games where a big brain with aurial can make a huge impact on the game, so it's clear there are some balancing issues. Probably for the best that it's removed until they figure out how to play with it in a way that's fun for both sides. You shouldn't have a role in the game where the meta is to not actually use the ability to its full extent.

[@michaelk__]

The solution is imo more about setting more crew roles to be instant as well. Especially ones where someone would be fine just randomly throwing it at someone. Tracker, Trapper, Seer, Oracle, Politician could all probably at least get a toggle to be instant abilities. And Transporter could be a small rework where they get to physically tag 1 each round and choose the other. Default if no one is tagged would be the transporter teleporting themselves. Overall I think this would alleviate the issue of an Auriel being able to limit an instant Ability to just a few roles, 2 of which being bad, without being a nerf to the imposter roles while also providing a boost to some of the crew roles. Balancing would obviously be a concern, but this is probably a better solution then setting an arbitrary 10 second delay on a Morphling just in case there is an Auriel.

[@AmongUsAcademy]

Problem with that is it buffs the Crew roles too much imo. Politician for example would be even stronger.

[@Fireball006]

Commented about this on the last video but didn’t expect it to be a whole situation.

[@hoi8100]

half the problem is the role, the other half is that roles like medic/morphling are played incredibly predictably

[@marcuscrews8344]

21:47 This is a good call from Baycon here

[@magin9228]

Veteran with 3 alerts needs to be turned on. It is by far the funniest role. It also adds another level of complexity for both crew and imposta.

[@The-EnderBee]

Maybe there can be a numbered rng where each role has a number and when you get a role, your account gets the roles number. You keep this number until the next game starts or leave the lobby (although leaving might not effect this rng system). This way the game can detect what role you had previously and not let you have repeat roles; regardless of crew, neutral, or impostor roles. Thus you can have a series of games that might have this sequence: Sherrif > Medic> Sherriff >Arsonist > Jester Edit: merry Christmas to everyone 🎉

[@The-EnderBee]

I know I seem like a random fan but I've been learning coding for a while and just wanted to give a suggestion for 5ups back to back aurial

[@blahthebiste7924]

Yeah but that creates the issue where you know a lot about what people cannot be from the start of the game. Meta-ing who was who last round becomes incredibly powerful for both crew and imps.

[@SpiritualMuscle]

They should keep it how it is, that was just unlucky.

[@tortillachips3911]

15:23 i agree with this. Morphling doesn't need a nerf at this point in time.

[@rodneywarf7237]

Second option. When I think morph I think sci-fi and sampling DNA fits the role. Extending aurials role is a good option to have.

[@Edwoonie]

YES I WAS WAITING FOR A VIDEO ON THIS! One thing I didn’t like is that 5up didn’t use his information to form an opinion, he just released his info and his role to everyone which made it a 1 for 1 in the meeting. Everytime I watch dumbdog, he actually tracks the info and makes guesses that are sometimes wrong. Also, the killers just have to play different which is what makes among us a fun game. Adding new roles changes how the game is played, like jester, and people don’t get bored of it .

[@CobaltSanderson]

1 for 1 trade for an imp is always a good move as crew

[@Nicky-mk1nv]

Janet and Steve are such a cute roommates

[@AzaleaTFG]

i don’t know if this will completely ruin aurial but, what if the ability had a delay, similar to tracker or amnesiac?

[@AzaleaTFG]

Maybe that’s already in the game? I think it would be interesting to have a three second delay. It wouldn’t nerf the aurial too much since someone could just pay attention at the beginning

[@kid2digit]

14:17 Steve taking two rounds to finally tell Hafu he's imitator, and then relaying that he now knows that 5up was crew, only for Hafu to dismiss him with essentially a "no duh", classic

[@thaddcorbett2148]

I agree with 5up. I think there are other roles they can bring in.

[@AmongUsAcademy]

Bring in Trapper!

[@AmongUsAcademy]

28:24 How do People feel about "Pseudo-Random/Weight RNG" in Social Deduction Games. The plus side is more even role distribution The Downside is Say for example, 5up gets Impostor For Game 1, 2, then 3. Each game he is LESS LIKELY to get IMPOSTOR. - Then when it comes to Game 4, you can use this info when he's on Final meeting and say "5up previously got impostor 3 games in a row, given it's Weighted RNG, hes very unlikely to be Impostor this game" And before people say people wouldn't use that, we have on multiple occasions had Medics say "this person is more likely to be impostor cause they haven't been attacked" - kzbin.infoUgkxzXylLR6EAZ7gj0J015o1spWVlCsMRGVM?si=bWWntxx8eXwfewwv

[@grymmhain3893]

Weighted random could be done in a way that ignores “imposter” and looks at the specific role of the imposter. There are multiple imposter roles that don’t use their abilities so crew couldn’t use the prior games knowledge to impact the current game and crew roles would be more evenly distributed.

[@Sylveon_Chloe]

What if Auriel became an active ability that you can activate 10 seconds after start and then it lasts for like 10-20 seconds and goes on cooldown for a while?

[@tortillachips3911]

EVERYONE SAY "THANK YOU, 5UP!" ive literally just been waiting for someone to make these plays, but at least 5up intentionally made it clear he was Aurial so they could get a free kill in exchange instead of being sneaky about it

[@jessem.4214]

I think it’s a very interesting role from a “what can we add to play off the other roles in the game” perspective but in practice… I do agree with other replies saying that it’s mostly going to be a way to take an imposter down with you or otherwise useless, which isn’t really fun. You can play around it but you can only be so cautious about using abilities around other people overall, right? Honestly, it feels like it would make more sense in a lobby without guess-killing, since suspicions over stuff like dousing wouldn’t really be immediately confirmed.

[@callmeanimal6958]

I think the morphing should be able to choose anyone to morph into like glitch but only be able to use that person once. So they don’t keep framing an innocent crew by dressing as them multiple times. I think they only get one time per person to morph as and that’s it. Which keeps it balanced cuz long rounds and multiple meetings they would eventually run out of the ability.

[@niccxxl]

5up 5head!!!!!

[@steviec4755]

That endgame was superb. I honestly thought Dumdog was going to correctly guess Janet after Junk voted. Surprised he didnt. How Smajor had that gut feeling is some sort of soul read because that whole game played perfectly for Dumdog apart from the blunder at the end. My boy is better than that

[@AmongUsAcademy]

“I love, love, love seeing Impostors try so hard.. just for that to happen” 😝

[@randomstrategy7679]

Guessing on 4 is pointless. You can't win a game you were going to lose from doing it, you can only lose a game you were going to win. 100% downside 0% upside

[@steviec4755]

@randomstrategy7679 you're wrong.

[@mystik_owl]

I feel that the conflict over Aurial (and a lot of other controversial Town of Us aspects) stems from the fact that it takes a lot of skill and knowledge to utilize a mechanic, so if you try to lower the skill floor (such as by adding colored arrows), it might work fine for some players, but be unfairly overtuned for more aware players.

[@NotYourAverageNothing]

I wonder if "donuting" the color option could work-- when you're close to an arrow you don't get the color but can investigate, whereas you get the color from medium distance away, but no context.

[@ChristianAkacro]

Add a 10s cooldown to morphling sample on every round. Ja people have dispersed some, but it's still extremely powerful. I do disagree with Donners that it makes them OP or just the same as Glitch though. Hack is way more powerful than people give it credit for. Extremely underused ability.

[@martianunlimited]

The problem with hack is that it instantly reveals you (or someone nearby) as glitch. Making hack dangerous you cannot also secure the kill. So the few times that it is useful are late game situations like preventing button presses, 1v1 against imposters.

[@versuzzero5335]

5up making it loud and clear how overpowered the Aurial is by using it to its full potential.

[@rayien1]

I think just having abilities all be 10 second initial cooldowns would nerf the aurial ability while making the sample not over powering as well

[@antifleischwolf7156]

How about giving Jester an ability that doesn't do anything except trigger the Auriel and is available instantly? Also Dodgers.

[@randomstrategy7679]

I have long believed that instead of a vent, jesters should have a temporary shield ability (like 10 or 15s long with a 20s cooldown or something). Because hiding in a vent all game is very boring. With a temporary shield, jesters would 1) have to time it well which requires some awareness of the gamestate and if they are currently in danger 2) would also have to be more active, running around the map faking tasks and faking kills. And so why not make it available right at the start of a round if a jester specifically wants to bluff morphling to an aurial?

[@AmongUsAcademy]

20:32 Smajors voice crack 😂

[@kiwisvideos0]

Dumbdog when someone uses their deducting skills in the deduction game

[@ThomasDickson-b1e]

100% agree with Koji's remarks - Vig needs to go or be adjusted. It makes the imposter powers useless

[@sliverhalo9286]

Nah bc the imposters can do the same thing in meetings it counters that and makes it more balanced. I’m sure some changes could be made but for it onto go completely is too much

[@keltzy]

@@sliverhalo9286 It's still not balanced. Taking out one killing role early puts crew at a massive advantage. Using imposter abilities is a gamble that just isn't worth the risk in a lot of cases.

[@sliverhalo9286]

@@keltzy but it’s not Vig that’s the issue it’s the fact that roles like Aurial or Investigator have no counter to them

[@sugerwillowsmores5345]

Yeah no, especially for the "less fun" imposter roles. Like miner, it is almost worthless to put down a vent with Vigi

[@AmongUsAcademy]

@@ThomasDickson-b1e let’s not forget the Arsonist was guessed by Vigilante Janet this game - which won Crew the game. Was it too strong to let Vigilantes guess Neutral Killers too? Also remember each game isn’t guaranteed a vigilant present, let alone alive by time subsequent rounds come by

[@sovereignnavae]

These Dodgers had it coming! Hate the game not the player - if using a role ruins the game, there is something wrong with the role(s).

[@spiehat8932]

This game delivered. Also it was so fun seeing steve reacting like that xd he spoke out of my soul

[@laudoga]

As I've said on 5up's stream another video on amogus academy

[@SubtleSlacker]

what's so wrong with crewmate role having impact? honestly