Love that it’s literally an identical fraction and the only way to “tell” is by FEEL.
@Thedrummersalmanac2 жыл бұрын
correct... and even then, we are just talking about common practice.
@SopranoPizzaJMFNJ2 жыл бұрын
Hmmm. 3/4 is always counted in 3. 6/8 may be counted in 6 but is often counted in 2. Now, 9/8 is almost always counted in 3 and I've played 3/8 counted in 1.
@asdfghyter2 жыл бұрын
I think it's more than just the feel, more specifically it's about the stress pattern. Which of the six beats are being stressed: is it 1, 3 and 5 (3/4) or is it 1 and 4 (6/8)
@Thedrummersalmanac2 жыл бұрын
@@SopranoPizzaJMFNJ These are all true... and when you count 6/8 in 2..How are you subdividing... 😉
@mkall Жыл бұрын
even in math they are not identical all the time. they are only identical in regards to equations. you cannot say that 3 pies out of 4 are the same as 6 pies out of 8 though. in music 3/4 means that you divide the time in 3 quarter notes while 6/8 means that you divide the time in 6 eighth notes. thats why we use 4/2 in music which means that we divide the time in 4 half notes. saying just "2" is meaningless, even though its equal to "4/2"
@matt-dw2 жыл бұрын
3/4: Dooby dooby dooby 6/8: Doobidy doobidy
@dylanhoward7186 ай бұрын
3/4 triplets: doobity doobity doobity
@BofA2432 ай бұрын
@@dylanhoward718thats 9/8
@fpvflyer47582 жыл бұрын
Note to Self: Use calculator next time you’re playing the drums
@liamthorp._.2 жыл бұрын
math rock be like
@JV-df9em2 жыл бұрын
If you’re friends with a drummer, at some point during your friendship, you’ve been unwillingly invited to partake in time signature discussions. Although the examples are usually played on countertops and dashboards and completely impromptu 😂 Great breakdown my man!
@niteshade22712 жыл бұрын
I wish I had a drummer friend 😭
@moonlight_sparkle6659 Жыл бұрын
Dude, that’s literally my brother!! 😂😂
@dadviper86542 жыл бұрын
every time i watch this man i’m just imagining the time he spends behind the drums. he knows like EVERYTHING
@TellURide4472 жыл бұрын
I’m not gonna like this cause you have 69 likes. And that’s pretty kewl
@goodluck14492 жыл бұрын
Being honest and fair: as a musician, these things normally take 5-10 minutes of searching and reading to find out.
@danielmsmbl3 ай бұрын
I'm sure he does know a lot, but the thing he's talking about in this video is pretty common knowledge amongst musicians.
@eatmyconcerns71072 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Jonah Hill!
@clementinelives2 жыл бұрын
💀
@Thedrummersalmanac2 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha
@GETOVERHERE_2 жыл бұрын
Michael Keaton
@hudsonlehr75712 жыл бұрын
exactly what i was gonna comment 😡
@smiley777772 жыл бұрын
Lmfao!!!!!
@Leo-tl4fd2 жыл бұрын
i like to think to 3/4 as waltz and 6/8 as a 4/4 with waltz rythm
@kvmalley2 ай бұрын
Agreed, I call 6/8 long 4 because you can subdivide by 4. So the kick and snare are on the long 4 count.
@jtcorey76812 жыл бұрын
I always thought 3/4 would typically have a waltz feel. That’s different from the three sets of two and more like the feel of the 6/8 demonstrated. I guess I’m still puzzled.
@SopranoPizzaJMFNJ2 жыл бұрын
I agree with you. 3/4 is never counted in anything other than 3. It's true that 6/8 may be counted in 2 or 6 but I think that 9/8 is closer to a 3/4 feel.
@992ras2 жыл бұрын
It’s how you phrase it that makes it a waltz. You can practice 3/4,6/8 and 9/8 as roll as well. The very basic for waltz is to play Kick and double on the snare so if you sound it out it’s like boom bop bop so to it count Accent on the 1, 2,3
@SopranoPizzaJMFNJ2 жыл бұрын
@@992ras Downbeat is always on the one. While 6/8 is possible it's also quite fast. There's a REASON why it's usually in 3/4. Quarter notes are LONGER than eighth notes. I don't recall ever playing a Waltz in 9/8. It is possible but again that's technically three eighth notes to the beat and nine to the measure. Just easier to write it in 3/4 with three quarter notes to the measure.
@Thedrummersalmanac2 жыл бұрын
Keep in mind the time signatures have nothing to do with tempo. A waltz twice as fast might feel more like a common 6/8 to you. That why I think it’s a better practice to feel how the beats are being subdivided, but at the end of the day… they are are both mathematically the same, so they are also technically interchangeable
@992ras2 жыл бұрын
@@SopranoPizzaJMFNJ like he said it’s how you phrase things both 6/8 and 9/8 can also be Afro-Cuban depending on how you phrase it. Yes a waltz is triplet but not all triplets are a waltz. So like in Reggae you plays 9/8 but you phrase it like it’s 4/4 like the One drop beat which you take out the down beat on one and accent the up beat. Accent just means that part has more dramatic effect to your playing. But everything is about feel
@MetallicAGirl142 жыл бұрын
I still can’t really tell the difference, but this was the best explanation I’ve found so far so thank you. 😊
@waltz2512 жыл бұрын
you could feel two bars in 3/4 as a single bar in 6/8, but you probably won't feel a single bar in 3/4 as a single bar in 6/8 because the former is 2+2+2 while the latter is 3+3
@TakashiToshirou Жыл бұрын
The literal difference is the note that gets the beat and the beats per measure. It's 3 beats per measure with the quarter note getting the beat vs 6 beats per measure with the 8th note getting the beat.
@Feirin3327 ай бұрын
6/8 has more of a pendulum swing feel to it
@smartaleckduck41352 жыл бұрын
It seems so simple, but I had so much trouble with it until just now!
@springerbrady2 жыл бұрын
Been in music/drumming for approaching 20 years… this is one of the best & well thought out ways of looking @ 3/4 vs 6/8 I’ve seen. Great video!
@jareds98632 жыл бұрын
Been trying to learn time signatures for awhile and this was very helpful. Subscribed cheers
@Thedrummersalmanac2 жыл бұрын
Welcome to the family !
@Thedrummersalmanac Жыл бұрын
Here's a PART 2 with more context: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJ7Wc36JZtyao9E
@scaryterry16372 жыл бұрын
That’s the first time I’ve ever gotten a straight answer for that question. Thank you so much!!!!
@iamsecryt Жыл бұрын
I love the way he explained everything as well as demonstrated. Most tutorials are one or the other
@doby8544 Жыл бұрын
I already knew this but I appreciate you educating others, in a fun and quick way.
@davidperry40132 жыл бұрын
3/4 feels asymmetrical and 6/8 feels symmetrical.
@eh22542 жыл бұрын
Best! Explanation I’ve ever heard on the topic
@scottveit15172 жыл бұрын
Great lesson! Inspired me to create a tricky new groove!
@hunterwebber60252 жыл бұрын
Dude, great advice! Simple but opens up the mind to a different approach. Thanks, Broski!
@Thedrummersalmanac2 жыл бұрын
No worries 😉
@drumlover16872 жыл бұрын
Great job of explaning as always Jay!
@Thedrummersalmanac2 жыл бұрын
Thanks my friend!!
@VopiscusGuitar2 жыл бұрын
I always ditch the denominator and only focus on the beats per measure. Jamming with friends, we just tell eachother, "this song is in 6s", or "the next part's in 7s". Eliminates all debate from our jam sessions.
@JonieBalonee2 жыл бұрын
This is why listening to other instruments is important while playing, because you can figure out the phrasing of each section and it makes deciphering time signatures much easier.
@PessimismusPrime2 жыл бұрын
Jonah hill is not only a good actor but also a awesome drum teacher
@sclavojar70s802 жыл бұрын
It does help ! Thank you man, New Orleans AEJ
@Thedrummersalmanac2 жыл бұрын
Right on!!
@timmyles3142 жыл бұрын
great explanation cause i'm not to savy when it comes to timing... only now i'm trying to learn drums. 🥁🤪👏
@BNLNRD2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic Explanation! Thanks :)
@unownnnn2 жыл бұрын
Best explanation I've heard on it!
@Thedrummersalmanac2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!!
@ARSZLB2 жыл бұрын
one word: SUBDIVISION
@blueburger42 жыл бұрын
Puff your chest and say...SUBDIVISION
@ashblankspace680011 ай бұрын
best explanation yet thank you i finally understand this
@Thedrummersalmanac11 ай бұрын
Glad it helped!
@dade1789 Жыл бұрын
I hated music 🎵🎵 but I now like music 🎶🎶... thanks 👍 I appreciate your help....😜
@Gisele118 ай бұрын
Wow that is an awesome explanation, thank you!!!!!!
@ncsludgefactory54452 жыл бұрын
You taking all the damn fun out of it man🤣
@zacharyjames4121 Жыл бұрын
It's so awesome to see phrasing. Just changes something up entirely.
@whycantihaveanumber000002 жыл бұрын
You can also fit a 4/4 polyrhythm in 6/8 when I want to change it up mid song. Really cool feel
@SopranoPizzaJMFNJ2 жыл бұрын
Then you're just playing in 12/8.
@BradsGonnaPlay2 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU for distinguishing the “practical mathematic” difference from the “common practice” difference. I get so riled up when people imply they are only and always two different feels. A time signature tells you how much of what kind of note. Therefore if I need to show on the sheet music that I’m going to change time sigs from 5/8 to a pulse of 6 eighth notes, well I’d functionally prefer to write it as 6/8 even if the feel according to “common practice” is 3/4.
@willschwabenbauer257710 ай бұрын
Good stuff. Very interesting. Understanding time signatures is a weakness of mine.
@elias44932 жыл бұрын
here’s a simple guide: 3/4 is a headache and 6/8 is cool
@wahraoeh2 жыл бұрын
Best explanation hands down. 🙌🏼🙌🏼
@WilliamTurk2 жыл бұрын
I always think of 6/8, 9/8 and 12/8 as an alternate way to write triplets.
@SopranoPizzaJMFNJ2 жыл бұрын
Or... 2/4, 3/4 & 4/4??
@thomasotto80332 жыл бұрын
Way to break it down thanks all drummers need to do that for our students.nice Job dude 😎🥁☠️
@javi.martinez.b2 жыл бұрын
Here in latinamerica we deal with 6/8 all the time when playing folklore 😊 Thanks for the leak!!
@SopranoPizzaJMFNJ2 жыл бұрын
Or Based On 12: 3/8, 6/8, 9/8, 12/8. Each "3" is basically a quarter note feel.
@dakotablack20032 жыл бұрын
Articulate and pleasant. Good teacher
@yaroslavleshchukh Жыл бұрын
Thank you! So useful ☺️
@codyeveryday54322 жыл бұрын
68 Linds itself to triplets with subdivisions for 3-4 can still be done with quadruplets and not sound out of place
@kipponi2 жыл бұрын
Those are used very much in Flamenco music. Changing in one song now and then. It is different feel.
@itachi20111002 жыл бұрын
That was very helpful actually.
@johannesmeergans68612 жыл бұрын
I thought WHAT A NICE DOOR MAT until he hit the HiHat 🙈
@paulmix38582 жыл бұрын
Best explanation to separate blues and waltz from each other.
@702ringo12 жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation 🥁
@samsguitarcovers2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant explanation man
@Thedrummersalmanac2 жыл бұрын
Thank you 🙏
@samsguitarcovers2 жыл бұрын
@@Thedrummersalmanac np haha
@gordianknot68672 жыл бұрын
That’s a brilliant explanation!!
@larperator5562 жыл бұрын
Would be embarrassed to admit for how long I thought 3/4 and 6/8 were the same despite having played both time signatures within the context of his explanation (well done 👏🏼). Then, one day I was like, “wait a minute, I’m dumb” having come to this realization. 😆🤷🏻♂️
@wesleyjones3701 Жыл бұрын
that's actually pretty interesting
@drk_ey3s6994 ай бұрын
Finally after scrolling so many..this taught me the best❤❤❤
@goodluck14492 жыл бұрын
Also: 2/2 = X/Y Where X is the amount of beats and Y is the type of "note" in a bar. 2/2 means 2 minims in a bar. Similarly: 3/4 = 3 crotchets 6/8 is 6 quavers, which is technically still 3 crotchets, but this is important when writing a piece of music and sometimes in transposition (I think, I forget), it affects how you write a note.
@melvinkeys2 жыл бұрын
Its pretty simple. 6/8= 6 x 1/8. - means just put 6 eighth notes in a row. Similarly, 3/4= 3 x 1/4. - put 3 quarter notes in a row
@MS-he9rg2 жыл бұрын
Great explanation!
@jtystowe11492 жыл бұрын
A fantastic explanation. Great job.
@marsbar54452 жыл бұрын
i always go by whether the music feels like it's rocking back and forth (6/8) or just kinda flowing (3/4)
@andyshistorylessons82782 жыл бұрын
Personally, as someone who is teaching themself to do music composition (sheet music) I personally like 6/8 times. I think you have more potential with 6/8 times creatively speaking. To explain, you can write longer riffs and rhythms and come up with cool syncopations.
@Volleyball_Vagabond72 жыл бұрын
That's really cool, keep up the good work 👍
@jonblon-II Жыл бұрын
Man that little circle on the wall kept making me think that there was hair on my screen
@Bub64610 ай бұрын
Great explanation, thank you
@Thedrummersalmanac10 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@swivelken248chan62 жыл бұрын
I also do the same way of counting to tell 3/4 or 6/8. I also love doing the 6/8 blast beats.
@DanielBeattyDefinition2 жыл бұрын
Yes it does indeed help. Thank you.
@koibubbles33022 ай бұрын
I feel as a person who thinks in terms of objectivity this is something I will never get, care about, or understand. I'll probably just make my own system
@somfmusic17238 ай бұрын
The easiest way for me to think of it is just “when does the beat repeat itself?” If you’re hearing a pattern that repeats itself every 6 beats (ie. kick, hat,hat,snare,hat,hat)it’s usually in 6/8 and if you’re hearing a pattern that repeats itself every 3 beats (ie. Kick,hat,snare.kick,hat,snare) it’s usually in 3/4. Obviously this isn’t ALWAYS the case, but more often than not it’s enough to judge what time signature the song is in.
@josiahosburn814111 ай бұрын
super helpful!
@JosephMensman2 жыл бұрын
In case anyone is still confused and needs it worded differently, 6/8 is two groups of three while 3/4 is three groups of two
@Thedrummersalmanac2 жыл бұрын
Correct… subjectively
@opiedrums69692 жыл бұрын
Perfect explanation
@benjaminwoodman11 ай бұрын
The helped. There’s a drum beat I can’t get by ear because it’s very awkward and I’m just gunna listen to it and transcribe the audio to sheet music one cymbal / drum at a time lol. For those interested the song is called “Nuff Respect” from the game gitaroo man. The best game ever lol. Edit: And I’ve come to conclusion it’s in 6/8
@ultracheese42092 жыл бұрын
At first I thought this was supposed to be about polyrhythms and I was getting so mad about the lack of polyrhythms before I finally realized it wasn’t
@philesq95952 жыл бұрын
Well done.
@EricTheRea Жыл бұрын
They are very different meters. They happen to contain the same number of 8th notes, but the similarities end there. 6/8 is a Compound Duple meter: two beats per measure and each beat is divided into three parts. 3/4 is a Simple Triple meter: three beats per measure and each beat is divided into two parts.
@_sonicfive2 жыл бұрын
Just got off an 8 hour session on audience segmentation in excel. It's better I rewatch this tomorrow morning.
@anthonyfontana57162 жыл бұрын
6/8 can also be, based on the piece conducted in two to give more of a waltz feel
@regulate.artificer_g23.mdctlsk Жыл бұрын
Usually, people mistake 6/8 for a very slow 4/4.
@MCLooyverse2 жыл бұрын
In my understanding (and I think I'm just rephrasing the same thing you said), people feel them differently. That is, if you stick a 6/8 on the front, a musician will interpret the music differently from if you put a 3/4 on the front, even though nothing actually changed. My parents (musicians) are adamant that there is a difference, although they cannot explain it, whereas I'm certain there's no actual difference, except in implication, and tradition.
@Thedrummersalmanac2 жыл бұрын
That is exactly right. What musicians usually use to gauge is what I would call "common practice" or how something commonly feels and the time signature that got associated with that feel over time.
@hollymonie46198 ай бұрын
It helped tremendously!!! Tnx alot
@richardsannasardo40262 жыл бұрын
I love your approach
@Thedrummersalmanac2 жыл бұрын
Thank you 🙏
@draetonalimoffatt87802 жыл бұрын
As a guitarists, thanks for this. I know time signatures aren't rocket science but they aren't intuitive and these breakdowns make it real easy.
@kitkazak2 жыл бұрын
thanks for the explanation!
@godofwar06782 жыл бұрын
My ass tried getting that hair off my screen by his left shoulder, instead of paying attention to the difference
@otterwalrus95312 жыл бұрын
This was really interesting. Thank you!
@matthewbertrand41392 жыл бұрын
it's more than that, though. triplet subdivisions could easily be mistaken for 3/4 as well, but notice how he treated the downbeats differently. of course we're all taught that weak beats are upbeats and strong beats are downbeats, but in practical applications, we often control beat strength on a much more granular level and just never talk about it. when playing 6/8 as subdivided triplets, you have two downbeats - 1 and 4. however, to lock into 6/8 and ensure it in no way feels like fast 3/4, we tend to play 1 as a weak downbeat, and 4 as a strong downbeat. there is a clear strong pulse on 1, but 4 is always stronger. it gives the swaying push-pull of 6/8.
@gg_0nr9412 жыл бұрын
Another valid one is think of 6/8 as eigth notes(or quaviers) and 3/4 as a quarter note (or semi crochet)
@Thedrummersalmanac2 жыл бұрын
Sure. Just keep in mind that Mathematically they are identical. You can certainly write 6/8 using 3 quarter notes or 3/4 as 6 eighth notes. Tempo has no bearing on the time signature so at the end of the day it’s subjective.
@TakashiToshirou Жыл бұрын
The literal difference is the note that gets the beat and the beats per measure. It's 3 beats per measure with the quarter note getting the beat vs 6 beats per measure with the 8th note getting the beat.
@marc54742 жыл бұрын
Inconceivable
@jasonwatlington46872 жыл бұрын
This makes sense after two years 😳
@Honduran4442 жыл бұрын
Someone give this man a medal
@J.S.McDuff2 жыл бұрын
Piano Man is an EXCELLENT example of 3/4 vs 6/8 The drummer switches a lot and it's an example I give my students.
@VincentVanJoYT28 күн бұрын
_just a cloud away_ vs _happy birthday_
@alexmanojmathews2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant
@yeti42692 жыл бұрын
Got me Over here singing triplets and tuplets again
@-Achilles. Жыл бұрын
You sound exactly like Dallas Jenkins lol (not an insult at all lol just noted and I'd like to know if you agree)
@BassByTheBay2 жыл бұрын
So, I _can_ play an African bell pattern in a waltz! 😁
@Thedrummersalmanac2 жыл бұрын
Bembe’ or Nanigo are good examples.
@HonkeyKongLive Жыл бұрын
I would argue that 6/8 is focusing on 8ths but 3/4 is generally a waltz time. 6/8 is usually the triplet swing, 3/4 is just a simple 1-2-3-1-2-3
@Cuzjudd2 жыл бұрын
I feel like the best way to illustrate 3/4 is to play a Waltz