6 AUDI RS3's IN A DYNO SHOWDOWN!!!

[@tkrogs3535]

My 17' RS3 IE stage 1 (e60-e85) tune hit 490whp and 510wtq on a dynojet. Super happy.

[@tkrogs3535]

Switched to uni since that comment. Going from stage 1 to tte700. 👍 waiting for spring to hit.

[@WatchAlexLP]

Always love watching these types of comparisons. Very specific. You deserve 100x more subscribers👍🏽

[@VancityAudi]

Thank you very much! Help me out by sharing the video with all your friends then! Haha

[@nigelgrant1415]

Great video, thanks for the comparisons, appreciate the work to arrange it!

[@VancityAudi]

Thanks for watching!

[@toddregister6621]

My 2022 TTRS with Unitronics Stage 1+ ECU Stg 2 TCU, Uni 4" intake, Uni 4" turbo inlet, and Uni mid pipes on a Mustang Dyno in about 70 degree weather with 2 gals E85 and 12.4 gals 93 in the tank make 488 hp and 513 tq.

[@VancityAudi]

Keep in mind it is pointless to compare one dyno result in one part of the world, on one particular dyno, to another. There are WAY too many variables to do that accurately.

[@sebastiendesormeaux1853]

That are the best comparaison. Same dyno same day. Else it just number and different factor from different dyno and correction

[@VancityAudi]

Agreed

[@3000waysOG]

I would love to see a Stage 2 E85 APR vs Stage 2 E85 Unitronic comparison.

[@VancityAudi]

I would love to as well. Sadly not only is no one near me tuned with APR Stage 2 software, APR no longer supports Stage 2 tunes.

[@leechavarie4675]

APR is not as bad as you would think!I would love to come over and dyno my APR stage 2 non injector E 85 tune RS3.

[@VancityAudi]

The shop isn't going anywhere. Give them a call or an email and set it up!

[@jasonmoll160]

I’m now confused again as to what tune to go with. That APR car shocked me. Would have been awesome to see a stage 2 93oct APR tune up against the Unitronic stage 2 93. Thanks as always Adam! You continue to put out awesome content!

[@VancityAudi]

Don't let your decision be swayed by one single dumb ass dyno result, lol. Unitronic's tunes have been proven over and over again on this platform to be fast as well as great for daily driving. I can't say the same for APR. I also know that stage 2 support for APR is no longer offered.

[@jetu82]

What problems APR has have with their RS3 stg1 one flashes? I've done stg1, 2 and tte700 e85 cars, multiple, never have had issues with any customer.

[@jasonwalsh9211]

Great video to see some real world comparisons and some surprises , quite surprised though that I didn't notice anyone had fitted an oil catch can, those oil vapours blow past gasses can dilute the fuel octane

[@VancityAudi]

I was logging the cars as well. None of these cars suffered any timing retardation from a lack of octane.

[@Theclaw1981]

Great comparison idea! Those Audi’s sure put down some impressive numbers!

[@VancityAudi]

Thanks!

[@MatthewJay80]

Thanks for sharing this Adam!

[@VancityAudi]

No problem!

[@72defender]

Top shelf content as always bro!

[@VancityAudi]

Thanks for watching!

[@rocavelli20]

Great video! Any S4 content coming soon?

[@VancityAudi]

You bet! We will be digging into the S4 this week actually and the content will start coming!

[@MrSteveb8]

Great video! Would be awesome to get the same crew together to do a high DA dyno day on a soupy summer day.

[@VancityAudi]

That would be an interesting comparison

[@samparks6492]

Awesome stuff Adam...can't wait for the next video...Can't wait until you do the gas additive testing.

[@VancityAudi]

I won't be doing any videos using gas additives. Sorry

[@Gaptist]

Sick video man. I was excited to see the Uni stage 2 93.... then immediately got confused when it made less than the APR stage 1 😂😭 haha Awesome vid!

[@VancityAudi]

We were all surprised too.

[@forrestberkey1312]

Wow! I just got my uni downpipe in the mail today and was getting ready to go Uni stage 2. This video makes me want to return the downpipe and go APR stage 1. Save myself lots of cash and get a bit more power. Let me know if I am missing something? I have no plans to upgrade my turbo.

[@AwC37]

@@forrestberkey1312 Looks like indeed APR stage 1 makes more power, but that doesn't mean its overall better and faster. I think unitronic TCU tune is what makes the Uni tune car faster.

[@Accurize2]

Second video I’ve seen with Unitronics getting trounced by APR on same tune with same other mods. Gotta keep looking for more videos on this pattern.

[@VancityAudi]

🤣🤣🤣 might want to read the pinned comment.

[@jarlev80]

Great review, really interesting to see straight comparison between cars and setup. Wish I could attend. Greetings from Norway.

[@VancityAudi]

Thanks for watching

[@MidwestMotor]

Dang it!!! I was so excited to watch this video but disappointed there were only 2 tunes being used on 6 cars! I was hoping to see DS1, GIAC, EPL, etc... And it would have been so cool to see Apples-to-Apples comparison such as Uni Stage 1 vs APR Stage 1 vs GIAC Stage 1 and so on. But nice vid none-the-less.

[@VancityAudi]

I would have absolutely loved to be able to showcase that. Sadly where I live this is pretty much the extent of tuned RS3's that are local to me.

[@extrememike]

Great video mate. I wasn’t clear whether the unitronic stage 1 was using 91 octane (as designed for that tune) or the blend with E15-E20 as you mentioned at the beginning .Thanks!

[@VancityAudi]

I made sure that all of the owners in this video were all blending ethanol with their pump gas to make sure they were demonstrating the max potential out of each of their cars

[@Dirty-D]

6:40 cold air intake? More like hot air intake. Sick cars though.

[@forrestberkey1312]

Great video! I am getting ready to tune my stock RS3. Was planning to go straight to Uni Stage 2. This video has me thinking I could save a bunch of money and get even more power w/ APR Stage 1. This may also it easier to pass emissions in here TX. Was this an odd anomaly or do you agree with my change of plans based the results shown in this vid?

[@VancityAudi]

Most definitely don't make your decision based on this one video. The best bang for your buck that I have found with the best daily drivability is a Uni Stage 1+ E85 car. They are fast as hell and extremely reliable.

[@scottc78]

If you have good E85 in your area, and you're not going for the highest quarter mile time sheets, the Unitronic Stage 1+ E85 flash is amazing. I have Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires all around and I can launch on the street all day with no traction issues. It's hilarious fun. And in Auto or Comfort modes you wouldn't even know it's tuned if you don't floor it.

[@jazcars757]

@@VancityAudi i’m still surprise with the result. What’s the explanation that a Stage 2 is less compare to most Stage 1?

[@VancityAudi]

@@jazcars757 Sadly I don't have an answer for you. Those were simply the results we saw on the dyno, on that day.

[@jetu82]

@@jazcars757 everyone is surprised about the APR tunes yet they have by far the biggest R&D department and they test files months and months before release. Why should they not have best numbers, is what I'm surprised. Why buy lesser tunes if you can have better with the same money.

[@garethhunt7765]

Great video Adam

[@VancityAudi]

Thanks

[@nimzi3603]

Hi Love your videos btw. Does this TTE700 RS3 have upgraded MPI injectors?

[@VancityAudi]

Yes. In order to run a TTE700 with Unitronic software, I think you need to have upgraded MPI.

[@scottc78]

I'd love to see that Stage 1+ E85 car back with awd to compare. I'm literally running that tune only currently. I have new spark plugs on deck, and planning on Unitronic 4" turbo inlet, unsure on intake. Maybe IE 4" like yours.

[@VancityAudi]

I don't use an IE intake. Matt has said he plans on going back to dyno his car again once his driveshaft is fixed

[@scottc78]

@@VancityAudi which one you end up with? You're a much higher power level than I'll be, so what you have now might be overkill for stock turbo on mine. The best power I remember you getting on the dyno was your Uni 4" turbo inlet to the 4" IE Intake.

[@VancityAudi]

@@scottc78 I must mention the intake I'm using every 3rd or 4th video, lol. Here is the original video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bWLKoZxuhbimnck

[@scottc78]

@@VancityAudi I was referring to that video actually. My bad, I guess I didn't realize you switched to the Unitronic.

[@AHigherPerspective]

Great numbers, these cars really perform well when the right fuel is in the car. Its unfortunate for those of us in coastal provinces that we have to deal with such crap 91 Octane........but thats why I have a 55g drum of E98 in my garage and running timing correction free on Unit Stg1 91 thanks to the advice on your videos :) E15 is the magic number!

[@VancityAudi]

Glad I could be of assistance! Thanks for watching

[@Nekahplz]

I can see my car in the shop haha, keep up the great content :)

[@VancityAudi]

Nice!

[@Famous_Flavours]

Would be great to pop the dragy in Michaels car and see if it produces the same times yours was!

[@VancityAudi]

Don't you worry, we've got plans ;o)

[@Famous_Flavours]

@@VancityAudi Looking forward to it!

[@SlickSilO]

Cool comparisons.

[@VancityAudi]

Thanks

[@Joshk326]

Why are mustang dyno numbers so different from dynojet?

[@VancityAudi]

no idea. I just know if I shared the Mustang dyno numbers with you all you would laugh at the power that it shows these cars make, haha

[@boostenmkiv]

What do you guess Matt Vs power would have been in AWD?

[@VancityAudi]

No need to guess.... Stay tuned to the channel!

[@neilmcmahon]

Interesting to see the bumps on the graphs due to the 4wd. Is there an explanation about this bumping ?

[@VancityAudi]

Yes, the haldex AWD system. I explain this in a few of my previous videos: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3i7oKSiaZJgqaM

[@mbossmanh]

The last comparison between Michael’s run and yours .... do you know the DA for your run in the summer? I imagine that made a difference as well as the 2wd vs awd

[@VancityAudi]

I can't see it being much at all. The day I dyno'd my car was cold and rainy, so only a few hp at most. The huge difference is the load of the FWD VS the AWD.

[@skylinedude951]

Seems like Apr has a more aggressive OTS map.

[@VancityAudi]

What's crazy is when we ran Stage 1 vs Stage 1 Uni VS APR RS3's they were virtually the exact same time and speed

[@leonardoarispe4689]

So in your video you stated the guy that was only able to run in fwd mode could have made more power/tq if he was in awd mode because of more load on the car. How is that possible? You would think that there is less drive train loss in two wheel dyno mode vs awd dyno modes. Can you chime in on this? Thanks, love your videos.

[@VancityAudi]

I demonstrate it in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oH3OlpVjj9uro6M

[@phobiazzzero4935]

amazing engine this 2,5T straight 5

[@markb3961]

This dyno reads super high. My Golf R's 1/4 mile trap speed at Stage 2 was the same as a stock RS3 and only put down 302awhp on a Mustang dyno (which, to be fair, read hella low) on 91 octane. Guessing that stock RS3 was closer to 350-360ish at the wheels, unless y'all didn't correct for negative DA. Cool vid regardless, though. :)

[@VancityAudi]

Mustang dyno's tend to read super low. That's why we used the Dynojet calibration. I agree though that some of these numbers seemed inflated. There were no weather corrections made.

[@iCuretheWorld]

Probably have watched this video 6 times. Currently between Uni and APR S1+ 93 - with occasional E85 map switching. My guess is they are probably extremely similar maybe Uni lays down a little more torque. The only reason I'm leaning towards APR is because I live in an apartment currently and APR offers on the fly fuel map switching with no flashing required. Would be nice to be able to flash anywhere regardless of if I have internet / cell connection or my laptop with me. On the other hand, Uni has the Uni logger and has promised flex fuel (although it's been like 3 years now and nothing yet)

[@VancityAudi]

Thanks for watching! You'd be doing yourself a disservice by going with APR. Don't let a single dyno video sway your decision. You're better off following in the footsteps of 100's of people that have now switched from other tuners to Unitronic and are extremely pleased with a quicker, faster, and overall better driving experience. Please keep in mind that if you plan on going any further with your modifications past Stage 1 that APR no longer supports Stage 2 setups. Also note that Unitronic has the world's best TCU tune and that makes a huge difference in daily drivability. Last point I'll make is I now have personally switched over 50 people from APR to Unitronic and every.... single.... person... has been EXTREMELY happy with their decision.

[@iCuretheWorld]

@@VancityAudi I appreciate the reply! Do you reccomend TCU S1 or S2 for an ECU S1+ E85 from Uni? Also do you know much about DS1? it seems like all the cool kids are using DS1 these days

[@VancityAudi]

@@iCuretheWorld The Uni Stage 1+ E85 ECU tune is meant to pair with the TCU Stage 2 TCU tune. I know plenty about DS1! When you say "cool kids" do you mean slow kids? Haha. They are doing some neat things with DS1 software but I still haven't seen DS1 tuned cars go quicker than Unitronic cars except for maybe one.

[@iCuretheWorld]

@@VancityAudi Thanks for the advice! Love your content! Keep up the good work. Those B9s can put down some serious power

[@VancityAudi]

@@iCuretheWorld thanks! Ya, it's gonna be a party.

[@Rs3fkn]

Mate you need to rent a runway and have em all go against each other , now that would be a cool video!😅😀

[@VancityAudi]

I've tried! No local airport is willing to rent out a runway to me!

[@Rs3fkn]

@@VancityAudi hmm 🤔 let’s attack em with comments and make it happen 😅

[@VancityAudi]

@@Rs3fkn lol, get on it! The main reason they tell me no, is they need me to get some super, SUPER expensive insurance to be able to use their runways.

[@Rs3fkn]

@@VancityAudi damn! as if you’ll cause any harm to them smh 🤦‍♂️

[@bagelbandit6076]

There is a place in upper Maine that does land speed days. Not sure how that works out for you as a road trip ha ha

[@JOHNYRS84]

Hi! What kind of fuel do you use in your cars? I am asking because I writes from Poland, we have fuel 95 octanes, 98 octanes and Shell 100 octanes +

[@VancityAudi]

These cars are all using a 94 octane pump gas we have and they blended in 15-20% E85. I state this right at the beginning of the video.

[@hayden401]

Would be awesome to see these exact cars at the track for the "part 2" :)

[@VancityAudi]

Sadly, not all these guys drag race their cars. Not to mention the track has closed for the season.

[@hayden401]

@@VancityAudi they only need to go once to be bitten :P ahhhh i forget you have seasons!

[@그린브리티쉬]

Last tte700 michael's car stock motor? Builtmotor?

[@VancityAudi]

He mentions everything done to the car in the video

[@NickthaGeek]

Jeez. The fuel quality is shit there. I wince putting 95 octane fuel in here in the uk. Only run 99 octane fuel in my performance cars here. Is that the best pump fuel you have?

[@VancityAudi]

I'd do some research into how octane is determined in the UK vs how it is determined in North America. It'll help you understand a few things

[@greatwhitenorth3717]

What % mix did Matt need for 93 octane? Unless you are saying he actually made that much on the crappy crappy gas we have?

[@VancityAudi]

I say that within the first few minutes of the video

[@greatwhitenorth3717]

Ahh....copy. My hearing aid crapped out🙂. Thanks Adam.

[@joshbrennan8545]

Cool vid Adam. Where was your rig?! :)

[@VancityAudi]

No wants to see my sh$tbox Jetta, haha.

[@joshbrennan8545]

@@VancityAudi Hahaha! Bullsh!t

[@cliffh4378]

Amazing comparison! Clearly shows what a great platform the RS3 is, was very surprised by the APR stage 1 numbers. @boosted_jester

[@VancityAudi]

Thanks, we were surprised too

[@matteocimini8498]

Dyno revo?

[@VancityAudi]

Pretty much no one uses Revo tuning in North America.

[@patricksauvageau2517]

What is really surprising me is that the based on your numbers, the gain over stock for Unitronic Stage 1, for instance, is only + 33 HP and + 51 LB-FT compared to the + 76 HP and + 115 LB-FT they advertise. Wow! Even the Stage 3 TTE700 93 doesn’t make that +115 LB-FT. I’m a bit confused.

[@AwC37]

The dyno HP are whp, what unitronic advertised are crank hp.

[@patricksauvageau2517]

@@AwC37 I know, that’s why I mentioned the difference in power and torque between stock and staged car they advertise, not the maximum power or torque. I would expect the same difference whether it is wheels or crank results, but I may be wrong. I personally own a TTRS that I recently tuned with Uni Stage 1+ and I can confirm it makes a huge difference considering it’s only a software tune so I’m not complaining, I was just surprised by the numbers and I’m trying to understand.

[@VancityAudi]

The numbers Unitronic is claiming on their website are 67HP at the crank and 115LB/FT at the crank. The 33hp and 51lb/ft gain we saw on this day was wheel horsepower. So you'd have to add in drivetrain loss to make the comparison. I do agree though that according to this dyno, on this day, we didn't quite see the advertised power numbers. With all of that said, I did this video for the owners to see what they are making on that dyno, on that day. Dyno readings are physically impossible to compare from one car to another, on a different day, in different conditions, with different bolt on's and different fuel sources, not to mention 100 other variables lol. You are always better comparing trap speeds in cars in similar conditions to see what kind of power a car is making

[@BobBob30966]

Nardo gray for days!

[@TheMugwump1]

Great video! I love all your stuff. You were the guy that convinced me it was reasonably safe to get my car tuned! I've been running a 93 and 100 octane tune on my 2018 rs3. One question I'm having a hard time finding... What kind of oil dilution do these engines suffer from running e-85? Am I looking at 2k oil changes if I go full bolt-on with stock turbo while running e-85? Is E-85 viable for a "daily" driver that will see 10k or so miles a year? BTW I'm pre-planning for a 2021 RS3, possibly. I've still got other options I'm considering. So what would you all get? I'm considering a 2020 Jag f-type SVR that's been sitting on a lot nearby that I can pretty much steal. I wouldn't mod that though. My next option is a new RS3 with full bolt-ons and tune which I know will kill the SVR performance-wise. I was also thinking of waiting for the new AWD M4. Opinions?

[@VancityAudi]

100% depends on what you are looking for in a car. The RS3 will epically thrash an SVR in performance. I daily drove my Stage 2 - E85 RS3 for over a year. Worked like a charm. I changed my oil every 6000km when I ran E85 on stage 2.

[@cccheung4980]

hope can join you guys next time

[@VancityAudi]

Where do you live and what mods do you have done to your RS3?

[@cccheung4980]

@@VancityAudi I live in Burnaby, uni stg2 91oct stg2 tcu. Likely mod the intake soon

[@cccheung4980]

@@VancityAudi Cts downpipe, milltek midpipe and cat back, and coilover.

[@joshpetit44]

No way those stock numbers are correct, at the wheels??

[@VancityAudi]

Yes, to the wheels. They are uncorrected numbers as well so the great conditions they had to make a ton of power were not taken into account.

[@matteocimini8498]

Unitronic stage 2 93 declares 554hp

[@VancityAudi]

The numbers on Uni's website are at the crank. The numbers in this video are at the wheels. You have to account for the drivetrain loss

[@Zharsergey]

Apr making great power compared to unitronic

[@VancityAudi]

The only Unitronic car we hoped for more power out of was the Stage 2 - 93 car. All the rest were great. The APR car was a surprise though

[@3000waysOG]

In my opinion, I have always felt that Unitronic tunes more conservatively on pump gas in comparison to others such as APR. It would not surprise me if a Stage 1 pump gas APR is just as powerful or slightly more powerful than Unitronic Stage 1+ or even Stage 2 pump gas tuned. But when you throw e85 in the picture I believe Unitronic's tune is superior.

[@vqhrvr36]

Your dyno is not accurate dude stock rs3 get 370 whp up have extra 20whp on your dyno

[@vqhrvr36]

We have here rs3 stage 3 unitronic with methanol get 550 wheel and your dyno get 580 wheel without meth

[@VancityAudi]

That's why dyno's are dumb and you can't compare them from one part of the world to another using different parts and tunes. It just doesn't work. This video was made to show the owners what they made on this particular dyno compared to what they thought they were making. Dyno's mean nothing. Get on the track and see what it does for trap speed. That will be your ultimate way of seeing the power you are making.

[@leonardoarispe4689]

@@vqhrvr36 you sound butt hurt. Dynos just show what cars make. There are many variables. Take your car to another dyno and it will not make same power. It might make more. Might make less.