6 Cars To Avoid - Top Gear 1997

6 Cars To Avoid - Top Gear 1997
Quentin Willson presents you a few cars which in his and Top Gear's opinion (at the time) are cars you should avoid owning or buying.
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[@matthewvwuk]

Top Gear on BBC2 TV back in the 1990's was a TV program I looked forward to watching & was always very entertaining & interesting with presenters like Quentin Willson giving good advice on buying certain & general second hand cars. His droll & dead pan sense of humour certainly takes some getting used to! Be interesting to see if those 6 cars that were paraded here are still on the road today!

[@limpet7r63]

There are no DVLA records for the Escort or the Terrano, but certainly none of the others are still on the road. Perhaps predictably the Metro had the shortest life, and was last taxed in 2003. The Volvo made it a year longer to 2004, the Scorpio to 2007 and the Serena to 2011. Assuming they're not sitting awaiting restoration in someone's lockup, they are all long dead with two of them not even making it to 10 years, and a third only just. A lot of stuff of this era was needing attention from a MIG welder at MOT time from 5-6 years old. Seems barely believable now.

[@jimtaylor294]

@@limpet7r63 Another possibility is that one or two of the cars ended up broken for spares, like a large number of Morris Marina/Ital's. (for many years the Morris Minor/Oxford retrofittable parts were worth more than the donor cars they came from)

[@video99couk]

@@limpet7r63 My 1994 Toyota Celica was built of better stuff, not everything of that time was rubbish. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kGeQaZeFlragh8k

[@AtheistOrphan]

‘It’s a Mini Metro Lynn!’

[@jbenekeorr]

"They’ve rebadged it, you fool!”

[@I-T-S-M-E]

I'm not driving a mini metro.

[@soundseeker63]

Well if you want a Rover 200 your going to have to sack everyone at Peartree Productions....

[@mikeh2006]

@@soundseeker63 I've got a rover 200.

[@TheKnobCalledTone.]

@@soundseeker63 Fine

[@callumhardy5098]

Quentin Wilson was Fantastic! Such a great presenter! His metaphors and similes are fantastic!

[@MonkeyHunch1]

boring bastard! lol

[@daddymulk]

Is he still clocking second hand Cars?

[@callumhardy5098]

@@daddymulk I hope so

[@soundseeker63]

I think he was a bit harsh on the Terrano. It was certainly up to par with a Discovery of the day and would almost certainly be much more reliable too! He was right about the others though. Ford and Rover really did churn out some rubish for years didn't they! Isn't in incredible how in this video he's bashing the Mk5 Escort and just a year later Ford launched the mk1 Focus... People forget how truly radical and amazing that car was for its day!

[@terrificspokesman7416]

It's I think they didn't like the Terranos front end looks. Though the Facelift Terranos looks good but by then the Terrano was getting a bit old. The Terranos are more reliable than the newer Nissan cars.

[@skylined5534]

Reliability wise I don't I recall they did all that well. Ability wise you're having a laugh, a mk1 Freelander would leave a Terrano for dead never mind the Discovery. Cool looking little cars though.

[@gewoontimm]

If the nissan van is too slow you can always swap the engine with an SR20 😁

[@jameshodges1496]

A balding middle aged man wearing a sports jacket has no business telling me what's cool!

[@skylined5534]

Haha! He's like a real life Monty Burns! "HELLO, Smithers, you're... quite good AT TURNING, me... ON!"

[@lucylocket4740]

@@skylined5534 He looks like Sven Goran Eriksson to be honest here! 😂🤣

[@video99couk]

My dad had an H reg Volvo 440. It was indeed awful. Everything that wasn't essential for it to pass an MOT had packed up, from electric windows, central locking, sunroof, A/C, stereo, everything non-vital. The interior creaked and rattled like you wouldn't believe. He used the 2009 scrappage scheme to change it for a Hyundai i20 which he still drives happily.

[@Alexander_l322]

See that’s exactly the kind of car scrappage scheme was meant for. People were throwing away very decent useable cars though.

[@modmod392]

I think it had a lot of Renault in it.

[@video99couk]

@@modmod392 Yes the engine was Renault and sounded like one.

[@notfunnydidntlaugh8621]

Been trying to find this clip on youtube, it used to be available on youtube many years ago, but it was removed at some stage. Thanks for the upload!

[@blackvulcan100]

Disagree on the Terrano,my company car,I had three. Great on a long journey totally reliable. Nothing wrong with the looks.

[@Avrelivs_Gold]

I'm a car guy and I just forgot about this car... never even seen it since it was new.

[@e28forever30]

I guess you need glasses..

[@blackvulcan100]

@@e28forever30 And you need a brain...

[@e28forever30]

@@blackvulcan100 To appreciate an ugly car? Where’s the logic in that? Who needs the brain here? 😅

[@MadIIMike]

I can't comment on depreciation back then, but tbh the Serena's aren't too bad, at least I see some still on the road without rotting everywhere like some other Vans of that era. Especially Merc's V-Class from back then just rotted and rusted everywhere, while the Galaxy/Sharan/Alhambra fell apart inside (between the mandatory swaps of mondeo front axle parts). Love the dry humor tough, "topless model that had one facelift too many" xD

[@procta2343]

I owned a rover metro as my very 1st car, and it was great little bit of kit, ( i wish i still kept it ) i had two more after that, and they are great little motors. Rover ditched all the performance models, on the R100 series. Also the last versions rotted far worse then the earlier rover metro. So Rover really did cut back on the Rover 100, which was a shame. If they had kept the sports models and maybe added the 1.6 engine, it would have been strong. But sadly as much as love the metro, i think Rover should have moved onwards with the design like the rest of the car industrial.

[@kerrysgold1]

A social services minibus..the Nissan Serena 😂😂👏👏

[@GinoFoto]

How wrong Top Gear was with Nissan 4x4, neighbor drives similar car to date, and that car is way cooler than those pseudo offroaders we glorifying nowadays.

[@MadIIMike]

To be fair, almost everything is cooler than the likes of Tiguan and Co.

[@TommiMcC44]

Glad to see Mr Burns is doing well.

[@richsan4923]

Nissan Serena was massively popular in Japan but it might have been a different car with the same name?

[@the_og_rubenmartin]

It was called the Vanette in Spain. You could see them everywhere (around 2005), and never have i seen one broken. My neighbour still has one in that turquoise green colour. A decent rival to the C15

[@JohnCitizenDU]

​@@the_og_rubenmartinNissan also built vans in Spain, which probably contributed to the popularity as well!

[@autobahnproven]

"... designed by Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder." Classic! 👍

[@johnhowitt8367]

Actually this remark is insensitive and vulgar!!

[@autobahnproven]

@@johnhowitt8367 so that generation of the Ford Granada is beautiful to your eyes?

[@jimtaylor294]

I like to think that even that duo of direness could come up with something better looking *XD* . (whoever styled the Scorpio certainly must have been sloshed at the time... alongwith whoever ok'ed it!)

[@bojanarezina2352]

very original

[@lucylocket4740]

@@bojanarezina2352 They are both blind for your knowledge! 👀

[@LeoN-qj1gv]

Miss the 90s, cool TV shows and everything else, unlike the covid Ukraine war media madness silicone tits BS we got going on these days

[@alastairrich4432]

I got a 1992 ford Sierra estate in black and I love the shit out of it

[@alastairrich4432]

Some woman called it a Dagenham dustbin lol It's gonna look pretty sat on rs Motorsport 7 spokes

[@alastairrich4432]

@Ben I know it's a Scorpio bud

[@e28forever30]

@@alastairrich4432 So why mention the Sierra?

[@alastairrich4432]

@@e28forever30 cuz it's old

[@e28forever30]

@@alastairrich4432 Alrighty then! I’ ve got an old car too, should I mention it, totally unrelated to the cars in the video? Nah, I don’t think so. But whatever floats your boat! 👍

[@5340robert]

Loving the videos. I don`t suppose you have a clip from around 1998 when i think Andy Wilman did a report about service stations and a couple who had written a guide on alternatives close by ?

[@johneisen6341]

Ive got a 1996 2.9 12v Scorpio Ultima it has electrical problems lol

[@ryanwilliams6526]

My Dad has two! A 96 and a 97. The electrical problems were mostly due to Arnitel wiring looms used on the early cars that caused issues with some (but not all). Other than that, they are well built cars, that will last forever, and look a lot nicer than the rubbish that's on sale today!

[@johneisen6341]

@@ryanwilliams6526 I agree they do look better today. I also have a 2.0 Scorpio Ghia which is rare also.

[@ryanwilliams6526]

@@johneisen6341 Yes, the Ghias are very rare! Until last year, when he sold it, my Dad also had a 1995 2.0 Executive which apparently was one of 8 that were left on the road. Now he has a 1996 2.0 Ultima, and a 1997 2.3 Ultima with just 48,000 miles on the clock and one previous owner.

[@Stars_Falling_93]

A bit weird that he didn't slag of the original Mini which was still in production then. If the Rover 100 was past its sell by date, the Mini was medieval

[@daviddillon172]

The Mini.is iconic..

[@jimtaylor294]

Well Quentin is on record as comically biased there. He's one of the smarmy lot that never forgave the Metro for having the word Mini in her name... despite the car not being a replacement for the Mini, and yet selling better than it.

[@patrikjansen7831]

But a mini SI still a stylish item regardless of how old it is. Just look at the new mini. It's heavily overpriced but people still buy it because it looks good

[@jimtaylor294]

^ We do not speak of that bulbous german ripoff -_- . (it was styled by a German, over various British alternatives, and is basically a knock down kit from Germany cobbled together in Oxford and sold to guillible Brit's who don't know any better)

[@jimtaylor294]

The original Mini deserves her status as a cool car though, albeit one which there's no single reason for doing so. Like the classic Land Rover, she's that rare thing: a car that both sexs and all classes took to. (though she certainly wasn't designed to do so, rather was intended as an affordable run around for the district nurse)

[@netweed09]

He's like the Pioneering Edgy Cool Aristocrat. The 'Ray Charles' quip at 1:00 still is the most savage thing ever said on the show and still has me howling, gahahaha. Cannot believe TG 'started' like this with him and Legend Tiff. Then ended with the insanely different Comic Musketeers lol.

[@jimtaylor294]

TG was started off by Angela Rippen in the '70's. Took Clarkson and some likeminded people to save it from the cancellation bin in 2002 though, which Quentin & co' had failed to keep it out of.

[@caroldave4037]

Even tho i own a suv all the comments here could be said of all modern suv's now lets all pray for for something to change... ohhh bugger no chance the intresting affordable car is DEAD.....

[@fatwalletboy2]

Flippin eck quinten could you possibly fit anymore puns into one feature?

[@daddymulk]

That's saying something for the Volvo if he recommends getting a Vectra😂

[@sherpafan033]

The issue is, the 440 was intended to compete with the MK2 Cavalier. It was on sale for far too long.

[@Endidixknsej]

God Hammond looks rough here

[@DangermuffinVideos]

Hahahah

[@Kiinell]

"So well past its sell by date it's literally beginning to whiff."

[@woodrow_mayes]

Ive been looking for this clip for ages, it was on KZbin but got taken down ty c:

[@DangermuffinVideos]

Thank you for watching!

[@Glenn1967ful]

The Escort Cabriolet was horrific, but it probably had more go than the infamous 1.3 Harrier of this era. This really was a dog, the black paintwork and gold stripes hiding a car that had an engine that could have come out of an FSO as it was so slow and noisy, a really grim grey plastic interior, a rubbish four speed transmission when nearly everyone else had five speeds, and a dislike of starting in wet weather. I was a passenger in an Escort Harrier a couple of times in the nineties and it was the worst car, barring a Polski Fiat, I've ever been in. The owner wisely ditched this horror for a Peugeot 306 which was light years ahead.

[@JakobKsGarage]

2 Fords, 2 Nissans and a Rover/BL. Sad times for car companies with a big UK involvement. I would have expected the fish faced Corolla or the blobby Citroën Xsara. Always liked the shap lines on the dutch Volvos, but I guess the Renault engines contributes to the dullness.

[@miljororforsprakpartiet290]

The Cathapault engines got replace with b230f in 1991. so it is basiclly a volvo 240 in a sexy package

[@terrificspokesman7416]

But the thing is other than the Front end the Corrolla was a decent car with decent performance and excellent reliability and build quality and good practicality.

[@skylined5534]

Renault engines contribute to the dullness? Despite Renault having a flair for producing some of the best engines out there? If anything about the Volvo was dull the last thing it'd be would be the engine.

[@turn6garage640]

Great to see this again, this segment helped inspire the purchase of our Social Services Minibus, a 1992 Nissan Serena: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a4utn3qvmJaZbZo. P284WFW is no longer on the road, last tax expired in February 2012 and last MOT was due in October 2011. This one in the segment was a Diesel originally registered in January 1997, probably built in Barcelona, given it's an EU car. Although, I can still find plenty of Serena parts in Europe and Japan, there are those that want to keep them on the road and the mechanical parts are cheap (with the exception of the expansion tank often listed incorrectly as the washer bottle). However, the cosmetic ones can be a bit expensive if you need them and are harder to find. Still it is a fun project and worth preserving, especially an exceedingly rare Australian spec SR20 manual.

[@soundseeker63]

When you say "fun" project I presume you were talking about something else...? A Nissan Serena and "fun" is not usually said in the same sentence...

[@MonkeyHunch1]

your adenoids are showing

[@francoisdvanderwesthuizen]

One thing can be said about the Nissan Terrano, I see them on the road, driving, to this day and their off-road capabilities were really not that bad...

[@ianpreece2739]

The main cars to avoid are the ones that Quentin has clocked😊

[@daddymulk]

😂😂 he's pushing EV Agenda now lol

[@cabovermike]

"WALK AWAY" is a quentinism i live by !

[@miljororforsprakpartiet290]

Fords... Such surprise. Why do people even buy them? You usually get better, nicer looks and more reliability/character from every comparable rival.

[@mikeh2006]

Ford is a bit hit and miss. Some good offerings throughout the years.

[@skylined5534]

OP Despite Ford making some of the best mass market cars available? And what of these superior rivals?

[@miljororforsprakpartiet290]

@@skylined5534 Name one Ford throughout history that has been the best in its class.

[@ravensthorne4631]

Ford produced some great cars in the late 90s and 00s, like the Focus Mk 1 and 2, and the Mondeo Mk 3 (especially the ST220). You still see them on the roads today.

[@miljororforsprakpartiet290]

@@ravensthorne4631 Focus Mk1 looked like a bus and rusted like Japanese rivals, Mk2 was about as relevant as Japanese rivals, and Mondeo... um... 5-series anyone? V70? Even a Primera would come earlier to mind. Much like Mercedes-Benz, I cannot think of one single car (Except the supercar division) that Ford got right, meanwhile nearly any offering from rivalling Chevy, Dodge, Chrysler etc. was thought out and interesting. Even the Mustang looked like a dog in a world of Chargers and Challengers.

[@richardoakley8800]

Tip of the week.. never comment about style and looks when your forehead is on the back of ya head. .

[@skylined5534]

😂

[@soylentgreennewdealtimeshare]

He happened to be correct about all of these. They were dull and deficient when new, and the attitude to them has not changed. A classic car has to be more than just old. The only time a terrible car becomes valuable in its own right is when it's old enough to be a relic, and thereby a study in period production, whether good or bad. The idea of buying based on 'trendy image' is really only the concern of car dealers. They profit from it, but many rubbish cars are temporarily trendy. What he means by 'trendy', for the most part, is 'good', and increasingly popular because of the cachet of being good. Yet, when a system that is antithetical to free choice can shift market forces by imposing artificial popularity, we end up with regressive quality, and aggressive demands to use the limited offerings. It's easy to convince a certain portion of the population of almost anything given enough PR, but most naturally successful products offer more than just the mask of mob approval.

[@jimtaylor294]

Not quite. Values today suggest he was wrong upon two of them, and the rest have secondary value as parts for more interesting models. (Morris Marina/Ital cars are so few today largely because so many parts proved useful for retrofit to the more interesting classic Morris Minor & Morris Oxford)

[@skylined5534]

@Red Bus Owned one of each, did you?

[@waynedl99]

No 1. Scorpio - had 2 of those. A 2.5td (Transit banana engine) and a 2.9 'Cosworth' No 3. Nissan Serena - my mate had one of these, made a fortune selling it to a Jewish family. No 4. Volvo 440 - yep, had one of those with the 1.7 engine (Renault). No 6. I had a Ford Maverick, but not a Terrano, but my mate had one. OK, I accept it, I should never pick a car ever again. Who's the female removing the sheets?

[@miljororforsprakpartiet290]

Maybe you should pick one good car and keep it for the rest of your life? :)

[@waynedl99]

@@miljororforsprakpartiet290 no such thing.

[@owensteele1645]

No Ford Focus ECO-Boosts?

[@assmannewzealand]

I like the Terrano

[@daddymulk]

In a magazine test of Convertibles these escort cabriolet's came 7th out of 8, only reason it wasn't last is because Vauxhall Astra Convertible was one of em and came 8th 😂 the Rover Cabriolet was 4th or was it 3rd i forget and main complaint was under powered, shame really

[@Alystas]

Only today i noticed that the Nissan Serena look like a knock off of a VW T4

[@goodwood-rc4nx]

Even if you brought any of these by the time this video published on here is either rusted away or is on classic car insurance

[@MattyClivingthedream]

I agree with the list, but I think that the first 4"cool" cars pictured, should also be added to the list.

[@kylewaddington1983]

Old Top Gear Jeremy Clarkson and Tiff Needle

[@standbanger2]

All these are going in the other direction now, ok maybe not the nissan sarina!

[@SargeMimpson]

None of these are cool and i doubt they i ever will

[@lmtliam]

Whoever wrote this segment should have released a coffee table book in time for Christmas: The Great Big Book of Similes.

[@mikeh2006]

Don't mind the Volvo actually.

[@francoisdvanderwesthuizen]

Landrover had their "Best 4x4 by far" slogan wrong. It should be "best 4x4 by tar..."

[@tensaichigo2]

The Muesli line got me! 😄😁

[@skylined5534]

I'm not taking car advice from someone who looks like a real life Monty Burns.

[@danielcraig243]

"Don't buy these car if you're insecure and fragile", thanks for the tip lol

[@panzerfaust9746]

Mr slippery

[@cerealtiller]

Quentin Wilson was ok as Eddie in the Munsters....his Career lost Momentum after that..

[@BassMessiah100]

Ngl the Scorpio looks kinda good, has a certain charm nowdays

[@RockyScorcese]

Nah it looks like an 80’s American car. And we all know they can’t make decent cars

[@carwrtr1]

I think it’s beautiful..

[@jimtaylor294]

The prior model of Scorpio was attractive... but this thing remains as challenged for looks as the Pontiac Astek. It's not even interesting ugly like the FIAT Multipla of the same decade.

[@terrificspokesman7416]

@@RockyScorcese The Scorpio may look bad but the 1st gen Nissan Juke is even worse.

[@jimtaylor294]

@@terrificspokesman7416 Can't argue with that. That thing wasn't nicknamed "The Puke" for nothing.

[@DoubleDeckerAnton]

About as much fun as the inland revenue xmas party...🤣

[@skylined5534]

Or a dinner date with Quentin 'Montgomery Burns' Wilson.

[@lucylocket4740]

Is it me or does Quentin Wilson looks so much like Sven Goran Eriksson to be honest here! 😂🤣

[@willpoundstone71]

Quentin is just savage

[@skylined5534]

So is his hairdresser.

[@donaldasayers]

Where's the big Citroen?

[@cologne2792]

I remember Quentin being a huge fan of the Citroen XM estate in 3.0 V6 form and encouraging everyone to go out and buy one. Think they actually sold about 13 of them.

[@soundseeker63]

@@cologne2792 They were a very comfortable and spacious way to throw money on the fire :-) Arguably the last "true Citroen".

[@jimtaylor294]

@@cologne2792 Ah yes the XM. Bit telling that it was a sales flop, when they gave it a name as dull as... "Xtra-Medium" . The XM proved Citroen's days of interesting cars likr the part-Hovercraft CX & part-Maserati SM was over -_- .

[@alexanderstefanov6474]

XM was a fantastic car, the cars shown here were all garbage

[@jameshodges1496]

I'd have the Volvo.

[@pb5x5]

Some new cars are worse looking than the Scorpio these days. Bmw i7 for a start.

[@Cypher791]

Ahh jokes about the blind… you don’t get them so much anymore 😌

[@hadrianbird8409]

I wonder how much he lost on that suit

[@cupidstunt22]

I'd love to make Quentin talk out of the other side of his mouth

[@alastairrich4432]

Just goes to show how much this bloke knew Don't think the classic and retro seen has ever been so big

[@speedoman1234]

Quintin is exactly right considering the vehicles shown.. None are classics or modern classics. How many of the listed do you see on the road nowadays??

[@alastairrich4432]

@@speedoman1234 I agree but the ones that you see being #stanced and shown is vast the array of cars is a thing to see

[@speedoman1234]

@@alastairrich4432 Sure the classic vehicle scene is massive. However generally people who have a brain don't own let alone maintain and show the examples listed like the Scorpio, Metro. People with the crud listed don't meet in the throusands to show off a Scorpio or Metro etc. Who in their right mind is going to polish a Ford Orion into a show car.. An Escort cosworth I can understand an original Audi Quattro I can completely understand and agree with.

[@alastairrich4432]

@@speedoman1234 classic and retro is massive Doesn't matter what car you drive if you love it you'll do it I understand what ur saying but new cars have no character Plus cars are memories for lots of people

[@alastairrich4432]

@@speedoman1234 not everyone can afford 70 grand for a escort cosworth or 40 grand on an Audi lol Cheap and cheerful motoring with mods

[@burntcrumpets5616]

I used to really fancy Quentin during the nineties.......ewww......what was i thinking 🤢!

[@thomasshepard6030]

Ford went from the fantastic GRANADA 2.8i X pack to the hideous Scorpio whoever designed that car should be put on a rocket and fired into space

[@daddymulk]

Americans then 😆 and they struggle getting to space in rockets these days 😂

[@tallesttreeintheforest]

that volvo is the best car ever made, Quentin should retire and never review a car again.

[@Spheredalai]

i disagree, i think DAF volvos are mediocre at best

[@tallesttreeintheforest]

@@Spheredalai i agree they are best

[@comegeturboyclint]

What a awesome host!

[@FirstDan2000]

Quentin's Quips are better than Clarkson's were.

[@jimtaylor294]

Viewers clearly disagreed, as TopGear ratings crashed after Clarkson headed off to do his own stuff. Quentin & the rest were laid off in 2001, with only James May getting to follow Clarkson onto reworked TopGear. (the latter of which wouldn't have existed at all had Jezza not lobbied for it)

[@FirstDan2000]

Yep, they did, and it all worked out well. But I did laugh at most of Quentin's Quips during this video. It's a funny blast from the past.

[@jimtaylor294]

Fair enough.

[@skylined5534]

@Jim Taylor Popularity isn't a sign of superiority. Clarkson post posh boy times is and remains a loud, boorish and abrasive person with comically out of touch views. I can't stand the rodent man either. I used to like May but he older he gets the more insufferable he gets. I'm glad they buggered off mainstream TV to do The Grand Snore.

[@FirstDan2000]

I laughed at what Quentin said. He's in the video. He said things. I laughed.

[@WBD86]

wow thats every car seen on finnish roads... tells about our taste xD

[@jimtaylor294]

If anyone had forgotten how smarmy and irksome Quentin was... or why he and the other TG presenters were all P45'd in 2002... look no further than this clip XD . His conclusions on the Metro & Volvo 440 have also aged about as well as most FIAT Punto's did on salt gritted UK roads. (though given his long running bias against both, no shock value there)

[@sotirismp2883]

Puntos were galvanized

[@jimtaylor294]

Not very well; if my observation of tinworm at work is any measure. Less of a rust meme than the Uno for sure though.

[@sotirismp2883]

@@jimtaylor294 still better than the best built british car

[@jimtaylor294]

^ *delusion 100* XD

[@skylined5534]

@sotirismp I mean no, not really.

[@iluv80spop]

Lol, the horrible sexist/mean jokes of 90's Top Gear look so out of place in today's context

[@davidsingleton9864]

The Ford Scorpio in general is down right ugly and the Rover 100 dull as dishwasher Nissan Serena is more van than MPV like.

[@ryanwilliams6526]

Take a look at the styling of almost any new car, and then take a look at the Scorpio. This will highlight just how ugly cars are now, and how gullible people are to keep buying them.

[@willpickman2763]

Next to the discovery the terrano is definatly a better car, 200/300k is not uncommon out of them if they dont rot

[@skylined5534]

You must be joking. The Discovery is far better and it's not even a fair comparison. The Discovery was and is leagues ahead. You still see plenty of Discoveries from this era but I can't remember the last time I even saw a Terrano.

[@andrewbragger2679]

Discovery was a bit shit. I owned a few.

[@yudhabagaskara98]

Ford scorpio is a pathetic attempt to replicate the crown vic for european market

[@ryanwilliams6526]

I disagree. It was a highly successful attempt at making a luxury saloon car to replace the aging Granada. They were a very modern, well built car, that's only downfall was that people disliked the styling and were unwilling to accept it in the same way that they did with the Sierra's "Jelly Mould" design.

[@speedoman1234]

It worries me why more people can't just get a grip and buy proper 80s-00s German or Japanese. Intelligence is scarce nowadays. It's just french shit and councilmobiles aka Vauxhall's that litter the UK roads driven by simpletons who owned these horrendous horror shows back in the day.

[@terrificspokesman7416]

Most German cars are just overrated for reliability and build quality, they just live on with their reputation. Japanese cars though are reliable. Vauxhalls are basically German because they are developed by Opel in Germany and they are sold as Opels in the rest of Europe.

[@speedoman1234]

@@terrificspokesman7416 I'm a garage foreman I work on vehicles 6 days a week and I've owned many a Vag and BMW. I've had problems here and there but overall the quality of the 80s-00s era German vehicles generally is outstanding. I wouldn't say that about any modern vehicle even Japanese. Lexus/Toyota are the most reliable brand then Honda. Only thing German about Vauxhall's is the Bosch parts here and there. Opel is just a brand name they don't produce anything Vauxhall/Opel are thrown together in the north west of England. The point I'm making is their are thick people out there who spend a couple of grand on a clapped out Corsa when they could of bought a golf or even 5 series for under a grand that is built to be a proper vehicle. I refuse to work on Vauxhall, Renault, shitroen, Peugeot.. it's against my principals keeping them and their owners on the road. People shouldn't be allowed the right to drive if they don't know any better. My children have to cross the road and if council scumbags in Vauxhall's didn't exist the world would be a better place.

[@terrificspokesman7416]

@@speedoman1234 some Vauxhalls like the Astra are out together in Britain but the Corsa is put together in Spain and the Insignia and other Vauxhall vehicles are put together in Germany yet they all have the same build quality. You are right about the 80s to 00s German cars. Those cars were excellent in build quality. But then things went a little downhill. I agree on French cars. Some of the older French cars were good but all the modern ones are pretty bad in reliability. Ford have also gone downhill especially in Europe with those EcoBoost petrols and the quality is not the best.

[@speedoman1234]

@@terrificspokesman7416 I don't see any reason to buy a Vauxhall/Opel in the first place.. second hand vehicles are relatively the same price over a certain age and if someone wants to spend 20k on a brand new Vauxhall insignia they should be given a crayon instead of a pen. I can go on all day with Vauxhall's design flaws but a gearbox overlapping a sump is ridiculous. I agree old French diesels weren't half bad but I rather an old VTEC or an old Audi diesel. I couldn't agree more with the ecoboost engines but ford has never been a quality brand and the pricing is ridiculous for what they are.

[@skylined5534]

@Lord Louis of Devonshire manor What the hell are you on about? Why are you commenting on cars you've clearly never owned?

[@stevenfrench9455]

A bit racist saying a cars ugly because it was designed by a couple of black guys

[@panzerfaust9746]

Ever seen any good African art?

[@alfienaylor1587]

The joke’s that they’re blind, not black.

[@stevenfrench9455]

Awww I see