6 Civ 3 Gameplay Mechanics That Are Hard To Explain

[@JazzJackrabbit]

War - what is it good for? Happiness boost!

[@mitchelfischer2571]

THANK YOU for talking about war happiness. It is such a weird mechanic, my brother used it strategically as a Republic in an 80% archipelago Emperor game to help keep his populace happy lol.

[@pedroportella9629]

Man, your channel are awesome! After 17y playing with my dad, i finally can understand what im doing in the game.

[@munsters2]

At 11:00 regarding Forbidden Palace. Usually you have to build Forbidden not too far from Palace or corruption means a long build time unless you can rush it or use a leader. When Palace and Forbidden are close to one another, some people recommend rebuilding the Palace far off in an area of corrupt cities in order to get a new clump of productive cities usually by using a leader. Are you a fan of this? This can be useful if you already control a continent and are preparing to invade an enemy on another continent (or on the opposite side of a huge pangea). Allows you to build units locally in productive cities (especially ships and artillary which can't use airports) instead of having to transport them over long distances of water.

[@jonshive5482]

Forbidden Palace in Conquests is a pale shadow compared to Vanilla. You could set up a second Ring with it 'cuz it dramatically decreased Corruption in nearby Cities along with the City where it was built. A Palace jump would probably not be cost-effective in the expansion.

[@munsters2]

@@jonshive5482 Okay, thanks. That explains it. It DOES seem like moving the palace is not as effective as it used to be.

[@JK-qi7pp]

Back in vanilla building the forbidden city in one of the cities next to the capital was very common and then if you conquered some really nice cities far away that were super corrupt you'd pump one city up to the gills to get the palace rebuilt there and basically have two cores for your empire. The rules for chopping, using commanders and generally rushing production were totally different though.

[@SparkSJH1]

Good video as usual Suede, it's nice to see these more esoteric mechanics explained as we obviously aren't going to be seeing any updates from the devs making them easier to understand unless they remaster civ 3. One can dream...

[@ChiliKid]

It's not a constant number of beakers to get a tech!?!? Mind. Blown. Thank you so much for these videos! I've always wondered why they didn't just give you the damn beaker count like they do for shields.

[@suedeciviii7142]

Yeah there's a lot going on under the hood for some of the game mechanics!

[@leevitout88]

Always build a courthouse in your capital!

[@suedeciviii7142]

Omae wa mou shindeiru

[@alightinthedarkages9494]

@@suedeciviii7142 You no respect his desire for slow seppuku?!! I destroy your family honor!!! Hai!

[@Thunk00]

It's the only way to protect against the propaganda!

[@ohandthefracking]

and police station as well which also with democracy turns your corruption into positive three!!

[@milesfp2001]

@@ohandthefracking Wait, don't Police Stations actually help, since they reduce war weariness?

[@malachib5659]

Things I love about higher difficulty levels: -AI being competent and powerful -The necessity of utilizing terrain tricks during combat to protect precious units -The efficiency of play needed to keep up with AI Things I hate about higher difficulty: -Culture flips (I disable them) -Goody huts being landmines (be expansionist)

[@guilhermedahrug2821]

I'd love to see something on how anti-air works, it's the one mechanic that I never understood or found good info about it

[@crashcoursefilms]

Flaks and Mobile SAMs - whenever a bomber attacks a tile one of those units is on directly, the Flak/SAM has a chance of A/(A + 10D) of shooting it down straight up, where A is the anti-air strength of the flak/SAM, and D is the bomber’s defense value. Same formula applies to the SAM battery improvement if a bomber directly bombards your city. You can put up to 4 flaks/SAMs on a single tile to maximize shoot-down chance, more than that and additional flaks/SAMs will not attempt to shoot down the bomber that turn. Fighters/Other air units with “air superiority mission” ability - When a bomber bombards ANYWHERE in the operational range of your fighter while they’re conducting “air superiority mission”, the fighter has a chance to intercept the bomber (50% by default in regular Civ, 5% chance if trying to intercept a stealth unit bombarding). IF you successfully intercept the bomber, then the fighter and the bomber engage in normal combat, with the fighter’s attack value combatting against the bombers defense value. Hope that helps :-)

[@guilhermedahrug2821]

@@crashcoursefilms Thanks a lot, that was very helpful. I believe fighters can only intercept once per turn, is that right? If I have two fighters, would that still be a 50% chance or a 75% chance? Can flaks/SAMs intercept multiple times per turn or only once?

[@Lollaksyotuube]

One fighter for one bomber I belive.

[@hetzer5926]

There’s a chance that any AA units will be able to do damage, there’s a chance that any fighters will intercept, the chances of an intercept decrease drastically if the aircraft is stealth, the chances of an intercept increases if there’s a radar tower near the city. For maximum chance for your units to intercept and to shoot down the enemy aircraft have both fighters, AA units, and at least one radar tower next to the city.

[@fernandosanchez6507]

You are the man, after so many years I've finally improved in Civ 3. Your channel has been really helpful. I remember playing civ 3 like 10 years ago and I had no fucking idea what I was doing. This game is much harder to understand compared to Civ 5 and 6 and imo is still better than 5 and especially 6 which is a toddlers game in comparison.

[@Uow-e9m]

まだciv3をプレイしている人がいることに驚きました　日本から愛を込めて

[@schuringleon3207]

Awesome man, I was wondering when new informative videos would arise!! Some stuff I'm wondering about: what are the exact game mechanics behind air combat (like anti-air), charm artillery, culture assimilation, propaganda, plagues (in particular strength), diseases or spy missions chance and cost

[@1230james]

Charm artillery?

[@schuringleon3207]

@@1230james yes, it's an in-game mechanic about lowering the defences of a unit for a number of turns... if I'm correct. It's a highly advanced game mechanic, only displayed by getting into the civ editor

[@suedeciviii7142]

"charm artillery"?

[@schuringleon3207]

@@suedeciviii7142 using-charm-to-make-artillery-seige-units-work Or has-anyone-ever-figured-out-how-charm-works. I deleted full link or it wouldn't work. It's all on civfanatics.

[@1230james]

Alright I found some threads. What a peculiar mechanic. Seeing that it's not in the official editor, I would assume it's not a feature leveraged at all in the official scenarios, and certainly not in randomly generated vanilla games. I'm not sure if it'd even be relevant to anyone except for people getting mods that are taking advantage of it (are there any?), honestly.

[@SkyFly19853]

I love all those details from Civ 3.

[@TalostheCat]

Suede MVP... thank you

[@crashcoursefilms]

Instructions unclear, I popped a settler and he culture flipped to Portugal before I could plant.

[@ssguppycaptain]

I think it would be fun to see you play on Diety, but with all the built in bonuses/advantages the AI have. It might turn into an overactive chieftain, but it sounds fun.

[@moz7491]

Regarding 'future techs'... At the end of the game, do you still get a bonus to your score if you aren't the 1st civ to discover a future tech? I know that it's rare a game would ever last this long for this to happen. Thank you for all of your content

[@engelbrekt000]

Good stuff =)

[@woodchipdust]

Hey Suede, do you ever play custom mods/scenarios? I’ve really been enjoying The Ancient Mediterranean lately and I’d love to see a playthrough or just hear your thoughts on it (or any other custom stuff you’ve tried for that matter)

[@suedeciviii7142]

Generally I don't play scenarios much aside from multiplayer ones. I don't like doing scenarios for vids because 1) I don't know what's going on and it delays the commentary and gameplay 2) the audience doesn't know basic rules and mechanics so there's extra need for explanation.

[@JK-qi7pp]

​@suedeciviii7142 it may be different for an old game like Civ3 but for CivVI modded gameplay is pretty popular on KZbin. I for one certainly would watch it.

[@nono4805]

Hi Suede, hope all is well for you. Nice and clear information as usual. Would be nice to see you back making more vids on Civ3. Well non MP ones, lol.

[@Swaggerlin]

hey suede is there any way to fix the ear rape that happens when you select a civ to trade with

[@suedeciviii7142]

Yes go here forums.civfanatics.com/threads/fix-for-no-sound-during-diplomacy-under-windows-10.623735/

[@darkranger116]

me, watching the whole video even though the last time i played civ 3 was when i was 12 : "mmm yes. indeed."

[@AGenericAccount]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh that's why all my cities get "we love the king day" when war is declared on me! I always knew about this happiness boost subtly but I was never able to prove it wow

[@suedeciviii7142]

Yeah it adds up too!

[@nekotamo5154]

I think explaining citizen moods would be a nice video topic. For example when you convinced me to start considering Republic I first figured war weariness is a non-issue. Even on low difficulties citizens overwhelmingly spawn as unhappy so I thought what is a few more unhappy citizens per city, which I considered to be the maximum. Making 20 unhappy citizens happy/content should be easy right? You can't be double unhappy can you? Well turns out you very much can be double unhappy, and triple unhappy probably. :D In short each citizen can contribute more than one unhappy face, or perhaps the weariness faces come "outside" of normal unhappiness rather. And despite having a lot of lux and happiness buildings (go go Sistine Chapel, very underrated wonder) you can get dinged by war weariness.

[@felix-antoineflibotte350]

Also, tech huts will only give you the cheapest tech you can search. Meaning it can be wise to pick the cheapest tech in the tech tree to get more expensive techs with huts.

[@eetuthereindeer6671]

Hardest gameplay mechanic to understand is how they uploaded a broken version of the game to steam with no working diplomacy music and since windows 11, no known way to fix that

[@MorganJ]

Are the war weariness mechanics the same in multiplayer as in singleplayer, or were they modified at all in fut?

[@suedeciviii7142]

War happiness exists in multiplayer. War weariness does not.

[@MorganJ]

@@suedeciviii7142 I had a fut game back on July 22nd where I got it, but I seem to only have a screenshot of it and not the saves.

[@jesusrodriguez-rey7841]

Hi, Is there any way to bait the ai to attack you, apart of using the spy missions? Thanks

[@lotmyle5465]

Not sure if it is circumstantial or not, but the AI seems to dislike it when you build cities on their border - especially if you take resource access by doing so. The AI also appears to hold a grudge when you make irrational demands for it to trade it's cities.

[@Pacmail]

I think you can place a submarine in the way of an a.i. ship yout not at war with. If the ship "steps" on your submarine, they have to declare war. (It's a bug but it works)

[@ukaszjurczyk8660]

Hello! I have noticed that when you want to contact with other civs you open list with them. When I want to speak with others I run it through "f4" key and I see their faces, it is okey, until you don't have more enemies than 7, else you have to swap between them. How do you open such a list?

[@suedeciviii7142]

ctrl shift d

[@hanfmampf1234]

you can get cities from huts?!

[@alightinthedarkages9494]

Yes but only if you're expansionist apparently.

[@mugiwarated6319]

That threw me off for a minute until I realized that I’ve never played as an expansionist civ.

[@Hastey08]

How are you playing in a multiplayer game with the Australians and someone as the soviets?

[@josiahferguson6194]

custom mod, join us in the Civ 3 civ players leauge on steam or on discord to try it out.

[@Hastey08]

@@josiahferguson6194 what is the discord?

[@Hardrada_1066]

but when I plant my capital turn 1, it says Writing (50 turns) - no matter if science is at 20% or 100%! Why go above 20%????

[@suedeciviii7142]

🛑

[@eetuthereindeer6671]

🐽

[@Chris-cs7nv]

if I have war weariness is it only against the civ I was at war? if I kill it will the war weariness disappear? if I have war weariness and I kill the civ and I have enemy units from other civ in my land will that stop the war weariness from coming down?

[@Tservator]

How much does the forbidden palace reduce corruption in a big empire? I play as russia on nap eu I build it in one of the bottom cities and the ones around it are still shit

[@suedeciviii7142]

Those cities are way over the 90% corruption cap due to rank corruption alone. So reducing the distance corruption does nothing.

[@crashcoursefilms]

Forbidden palace increases Optimal City Number (threshold for total cities in terms of rank corruption) by 37.5%. The default OCN depends on map size.

[@suedeciviii7142]

@@crashcoursefilms I mention this at 8:57. It does but this effect is global. So it doesn't matter where the FP is built. Building it near particular cities won't reduce their rank corruption in particular.

[@HansLemurson]

Is it ever worthwhile to disband a densely packed city nearby your capitol to improve the Rank Corruption in the rest of your empire? Like you founded it to get your settler pump running quickly, but all of its tiles can actually be worked by its neighbors instead.

[@suedeciviii7142]

sometimes yes.

[@richardshagrin8565]

Can you play Civilization without declaring war? If they declare war on you you get a war weariness bonus but it sounds pretty hard to get an opponent to declare war on you.

[@Thunk00]

If a civilization is significantly more powerful than yours, as is usually the case with your rivals on high difficulties, they will send their soldiers to prance around your land and make demands. Refuse their demands or give them an ultimatum to expel their troops from your territory, and it's very likely that they'll declare war on you. It's pretty easy to abuse, you get the diplomatic and war weariness benefits of being the victim, and the only real downside is that you can't necessarily choose the timing of the war. If your army stands a fair chance of winning in a straightforward, head-to-head fight, though, AI civs are a lot more circumspect, and they're more hesitant about attacking you when you refuse a demand or tell them to get out of your land. It still works sometimes, but typically you need to start your own wars when you're not punching up. You can also use mutual protection pacts to get an AI civ to declare war on you. There's no point in doing so, though, as you'll suffer the global diplomatic penalty of declaring war either way and you get the exact same negative war weariness no matter whether it's the one pact member that declared war on you or the other.

[@owenkile6042]

Suede do fall of Rome as the Huns

[@milesfp2001]

Define "foreign tiles" in a city.

[@suedeciviii7142]

your civ is blue and the tile is orange

[@milesfp2001]

@@suedeciviii7142 That's a terrible definition. From what I can surmise from you bringing up the concept in other videos, a foreign tile is a city tile you could normally put a citizen on for resources, but a foreign nearby city is blocking the tile, due to the tile being in its resource zone and their city having more culture.

[@x999uuu1]

@milesfp2001 it's another civs tiles in your city's Big Fat Cross IIRC.

[@herecomesteboom2]

Hey buddy. Please make a video covering in-depth modern warfare tactics. Full-blown, unforgiving, modern warfare, but no nukes. I have created a scenario that puts this in play. Two hegemonies vs. five lower civs. I have created the scenario. I want to see you apply your strategic knowledge to modern warfare.

[@x999uuu1]

Just build 50 bombers lol

[@herecomesteboom2]

@@x999uuu1 i built 100 mobile sams tho

[@megacheater3150]

where are you? :(

[@suedeciviii7142]

hmm?

[@megacheater3150]

@@suedeciviii7142 I just miss your vods

[@vakkius]

And I'm soo sorryyy

[@rastkogojgic699]

Hello everyone, I have a question for you all Civ 3 fans. I have no one to ask, and since this is the most recent video on this popular channel, I think I'm on the right place. Anyway I have been playing CIV 3 Conquest for a very long time, and this is the first time I noticed something. I'm playing with India, and when I upgraded my Infantry to Mech Infantry I lost gold per turn on top of losing regular amount for a single upgrade. I actually lost 2 gpt for each upgrade. Since I upgraded around 30 Infantry I lost 60 gold per turn. Is this some bug? I think I would remember this, as this an insane amount of gold per turn.

[@suedeciviii7142]

There is no reason that this should happen, unless you're playing a weird homebrew patch where you you don't have to pay unit support on infantry. Send me the saves and I could figure it out if you'd like!

[@rastkogojgic699]

@@suedeciviii7142 I know, right!? I checked out some of my other saves where I played the same difficulty level, and that does not happen lol. No, I use a regular game. It's probably some bug, but I have no idea how on earth that happened. Anyway, I will now send you the save. Cheers !!!

[@KeinNiemand]

So your people can happy when somone declares war on you totally makes sense to me.

[@Lollaksyotuube]

It won't last too long, if I remember correctly.

[@ichigoparfaitgatomaranai]

What the fuck is popping

[@suedeciviii7142]

Getting a city/settler from a hut.

[@ichigoparfaitgatomaranai]

@@suedeciviii7142 Ah cheers mate

[@Tservator]

Lol

[@RoastedPheasant]

Took 8 knights, 2 longbowman, a trebuchet, and an archer into the enemy's capital. I was smashing them. Culture flip. My entire army was gone. I retired.

[@jorne6863]

Use autosave to restart the turn. It should not happens twice ! It's a bit of a ''exploit'' but it's better to restart than ragequit. Sometime I got that too and my whole army is destroyed... im not rly using this if I just loose one spearmen/pikeman whatever but when it's a load of units... especially if you have many wars

[@timothy7990]

😚 ρяσмσѕм

[@UnrealTatement]

lol einfach deutsch

[@blendbeast7322]

How does the propaganda system work? I was trying to experiment with it to see if it could be used in a domination victory without war, but flipping a city larger than size 1 was impossible. Is there a way to exploit it for that one niche strategy? Distance from me didn't seem to affect it much as I flipped small cities much closer to them than me (Monarch)

[@suedeciviii7142]

www.civfanatics.com/civ3/strategy/game-mechanics/a-study-of-espionage-missions/ See here. It has niche applications for taking small cities.

[@fernandosanchez6507]

You are the man, after so many years I've finally improved in Civ 3. Your channel has been really helpful. I remember playing civ 3 like 10 years ago and I had no fucking idea what I was doing. This game is much harder to understand compared to Civ 5 and 6 and imo is still better than 5 and especially 6 which is a toddlers game in comparison.