[6] Ljubisa Bajic and Jim Keller, Tenstorrent

[@60DollarCodger]

😂 vid description "Jim Keller is a bum who hits electric rocks with spanners." So the Jeremy Clarkson of the semiconductor industry?

[@glenwaldrop8166]

"POOOWWEEEEEERRRRRR!!!!!"

[@richw1333]

Excellent interview. I have no formal training in this stuff, but I understand enough not to be lost. I enjoyed this thoroughly.

[@RohitSharma-mi8gt]

If ur interested in following up u can try the Electronic cookbook ! It is for people with no formal training in science

[@alexmar4252]

The one and only. The legend. He left his mark everywhere he went.

[@gontsaru]

finally! you left us waiting for too long, mate

[@TechTechPotato]

Sorry! A pre-planned Holiday, plus Computex, really set me back

[@LunarLaker]

@@TechTechPotato Computex sounds like some mean kind of crunch, glad you've had some recovery! Excited for more content

[@TechTechPotato]

@@LunarLaker In a normal year, it's 40-50 meetings in 4 days while wearing a suit in 35C / 90% humid. This year because it was virtual and to Taiwan time, it was 3am keynotes and still a lot of meetings.

[@Piipolinoo]

Amazing interview. No corporate fluff at all. Jim made a statement with everything he achieved so far Now he can just be honest about his work, no fluff, no bluff. Everybody knows they will deliver, like he always did.

[@swampking666]

Dr. Ian with this interview, I think you and Anandtech might be heading to another type of medium. You guys could imagine, podcasts, specialists talks, interviews, news and the best tech (computers and software) journalism has to offer. Congratulations for you and the people supporting your work on youtube. I would by a share or 2 if you move in this direction.

[@peterjansen4826]

@TechTechPotato Ian, if you can pull it off, how about a conversation (of course recorded for us) with a chip-fab expert from TSMC, Intel or GF? Here what I am rather curious about. How do they go from a first iteration of a node which they consider production ready to later iterations for which the clock-frequency increases and the power (W) decreases? Same node, which refinements? Why is it so diffitcult to get there the first time but can they always get there with later iterations? What are their methods to refine it? Which parameters get tweaked? Which other innovations (more complicated tracers??) are applied? How much of this improvement is because of the fab and how much of it is because of the chip-designers (AMD, Intel, NVidia). I don't know how much you know about all of this, I imagine that this would be an interesting topic for you too.

[@TechTechPotato]

I spoke to a TSMC expert last week, on the back of their Technology Symposium. Time available was too short to ask anything fundamental, they didn't want video, and even though I could record, I wasn't allowed to post audio. These companies are gripped fairly tight with this sort of thing. Everything has to involve layers of PR and legal analysis. They don't want anyone speaking out of turn. www.anandtech.com/show/16742/an-anandtech-interview-with-dr-kevin-zhang-and-dr-maria-marced When I actually go to Samsung Foundry/TSMC Foundry events in person, lots of detail and presentations, but no photos or recording allowed, and they go through detailed slides every 30 seconds, which aren't provided. It's a lot of dense information that they only want partners to see, but somehow press are invited, but not allowed to record. There's an official press brief that can be recorded, and slides for that are provided, but it's so limited in scope to the high level. Your best bet is for me to go through some of the research papers governing this stuff, but those can also be dense, or have a very very narrow scope.

[@TheBackyardChemist]

@@TechTechPotato Well, at least we have someone with plenty of experience reading dense research papers ;)

[@MaD_fX]

I thoroughly enjoyed reading the initial transcript of the interview, but actually watching it was so much better. Excellent work as always Ian, keep it up!!!

[@benschulz9140]

The world would be a far better place if more people were like Jim.

[@EthelbertCoyote]

WOW I am an artist and I find Jim Keller's problem-solving and perspective just inspiring. I would like to see a Masterclass from him on just that.

[@rRefuseToSelfCensor]

Awesome a video thats over an hour long! I love your content but a lot of the videos are 5-10 minutes and I always feel like It’s not enough! This is amazing!!! Cant wait to listen.

[@trjozsef]

Holy moly, I'll have to schedule this video in my week somewhere. It's more of a commitment than watching a full length movie, especially as my SO won't watch it with me.

[@LarsPeterMathias]

You can increase the playback speed, helps a lot. Turn it down again for the more complex stuff.

[@trjozsef]

@@LarsPeterMathias Being ESL and the video not having subtitles I don't think that will be an option this time.

[@Adept893]

5:30 What a great answer. It's good to see people striking out on their own to leave a real mark on history. To see them inspire others like Jim is great.

[@PajakTheBlind]

Jim mentioning Dirk Meyer got me thinking - maybe some retro interviews. Some of the figures in the industry seem to not be in spotlight (anymore), yet were responsible for advancing the computing forward. They might have some fun anecdotes and cool insights - just like Jim.

[@EdPin_]

Explosively positive, Jim is a real shaman and Ljubisa is still really modest (will he change when he'll become a billionaire?). This interview is a real gem.

[@AlexanderKalish]

Great interview, Ian! So nice to listen to some super-smart people explaining what they are doing to push the progress.

[@osheaness]

Good to know he's planning on being around for the long haul. We need great minds like Keller

[@j340_official]

Been looking forward for a while to this video dropping. Good stuff bro. Keep it up!

[@mradminus]

Finally, been waiting a long time for this one. Jim Keller is my hero!

[@MrMcGreed]

Not entirely sure I understand half of this... But it is awesome! I learned so much from watching this...

[@El.Duder-ino]

Excellent interview, thank you very much! Jim Keller is a living legend - amazing engineer and leader! Truly inspirational technology person!

[@andrezunido]

Great move, catering to software developers. They will evangelise it and push it. Also, the agile approach: small team, good communication, inspection, iteration, experimentation and a lot of industry experience. Hope they revolutionize the ML space.

[@saiyadulahmad2012]

Great interview. Thank you for posting it on KZbin.

[@cherrypap1862]

Thank you for sharing in this format,. Found myself thinking ‘I don't even know what that means' more than once but that's that best way to learn, so my homework is....... 🙄

[@AdaaDK]

Jim keller is truely a legend, i will never stop looking up to that guy. :-)

[@Trick-Framed]

Wow IAN! So quick too! I have been waiting for this. I've been a fan of Keller's since Clawhammer. You've got some incredible interviews! Thank you!

[@evocatiproductions]

I can't believe I missed this when it uploaded. 10/10! Great Interview!

[@marktackman2886]

This was so good it was emotional. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

[@rickfucci4512]

“You can’t fix ‘Computer too slow’, you have to drill into the details”…

[@larrygall5831]

Nice score getting these guys on the show. Really top notch guests.

[@sayanchx]

such a breath of fresh air - this was a really educative inspirational insightful conversation !! I could have these kind of conversations all day long every week of the day !

[@marshallross3373]

These guys gleam with synergy. It's so interesting to hear them talk about their passion for the tech, and how they can get into the weeds with the details.

[@osirisgolad]

Thanks doc, I can't wait to listen to this.

[@csollermoller]

Thank you guys!

[@M00_be-r]

Great interview was fun and interesting thank you sir Ian ;-)

[@helvetiaresearch9973]

Thanks for presenting this. This is amazing detail.

[@Wintelburst]

This is one of my favorite interviews that you have made. Watched this last night. wondering if i will listen it again :D

[@almostinfamous42]

Very interesting to see the level of respect they have for each other and the camaraderie they seem to genuinely enjoy. Very interesting interview even though I have only the barest of inklings about what the world they're living in.

[@kirktown2046]

I rarely see Jim speak, but he's one of the rare humans that seems to be up there with Joscha Bach wisdom and intelligence wise.

[@FastFSharp]

I clicked on this video so fast when it came up. Now I just need the work day to be over so I can watch the rest!

[@SLPCaires]

GREAT interview, loved it :)

[@blindtorpedo]

Great A/V quality for the interview, sadly many channels don't care much about it.

[@zyspan]

Jim's a legend!

[@tadejpeckaj1151]

Great interview.. lots of interesting stuff!

[@benhaddon6211]

Amazing interview! Great to see you being approached by one of the gods of the industry. It was really enjoyable and interesting, thanks!

[@PlanetFrosty]

Excellent interview and insightful and Jim Keller is inspiring tech.

[@monsieur910]

Awesome interviews, keep it up!

[@jiminfested]

Great interview. I'd heard tons of good things about the guy but never heard him speak about any topic

[@goodwind89]

Very informative, thank you.

[@evocatiproductions]

I'd Love to see some of the out takes from this. There are a few times where the video is cut, I assume for brevity's sake, but everyone is smiling all the sudden. Would love to see those moments. Great Interview Ian!

[@Leggir]

Great interview.

[@wurstmensch3000]

Love it!

[@Veptis]

Keller is German for basement. So Jim Keller kick-starting a basement startup has a connotation to me. But all great Silicon Valley companies started in a garage, so it's a good omen. I am studying computational linguistics and night have a chance to do a master in Artificial Intelligence and Data Science afterwards. It's fairly interesting to sound where the hardware leaders understand how the technology is going. I wanted to do EE with some semiconductor engineering initially, but didn't get to that. Perhaps I still switch as due to the pandemic I missed the student lifestyle for 1.5 years.

[@liaminwales]

1:15:57 kite surfing, I always assumed it was just surfing but no kite surfing. Amazing interview thanks for sharing, such nice people.

[@VioletPrism]

Amazing!!!

[@xDMrGarrison]

Thanks, this was fun :D Seriously inspiring people! I need stuff like this to keep myself motivated working on my lame-ass projects xD this is awesome.

[@praxis22]

Yes, I remember writing software like that, it stops working, and you have an idea and write it down. In the end you give up on the main program, and cobble together all the small ideas you've had.

[@platin2148]

Do they have support for MRIL too? I prefer baremetal too if the docs are nice.

[@kelownatechkid]

Awesome!

[@Gichanasa]

These folks are the true founding fathers and forerunners of the digital world. I feel like I am witnessing a conversation among the Jedi masters like Yoda and Obi-Wan...

[@woolfel]

If I understand the approach, it sounds like it will make a significant improvement to building more advanced models that apply system 2.0 concepts described by Bengio.

[@SBA_poiko]

!!!!!!!!!!!! Finally

[@steveseeger]

Pro interview!

[@christian-johansson]

Nice!

[@stephanematis]

Positive vibes.

[@Apocalymon]

No more blue balls 🎉 😖 Now do ASML, Cerabras, SiFive, & Fujitsu

[@paulinuss]

Oh yes, Fujitsu! Transition from sparc to arm after all those years? Deploying and selling first system already? How dolid it go? That would be awesome interview.

[@xXDeltaXxwhotookit]

Wish more senior people cared about the details...

[@Martinit0]

40:14 Which CPU is Jim talking about here? "Pete Bannon and I where the architects of the and when we were done it was the fastest microprocessor in the world and I was so embarrassed..."

[@Kurukx]

I like the bit were companies state we are programers where is the spec :) We need out of lockdown. Just desktop would never had wobbly windows without open source :)

[@NSPlayer]

It was quite hard to find this interview, can you fix the title

[@TechTechPotato]

Everyone else found it fine.

[@velo1337]

an deep dive AI talk would be very insteresting

[@KJohansson]

One word: STARSTRUCK!

[@NSPlayer]

Ian keller is the single reason why those silicon companies innovate, they usually bring him on to sort out tough calculations and designs, he's the guy you bring on and have no choice in letting him leave. Most companies when they are stumped ask the question when they can't answer complex situations, who would know? Then the guy in the corner says... Here speak to jim.

[@MrAramman]

why so slow on the release of the video man but thank you

[@TechTechPotato]

Personal Holiday, Computex was a strong week, TSMC Tech Symposium, and then getting some other projects out the door.

[@bryantallen703]

You streamed with Jim in 720p..., how dare you....lol.. Awesome vid, by the way.

[@TechTechPotato]

The system we used shoved 720p back to me. My video actually crapped out, and you notice it's super low res at the end, down to 144p. I thought it was not worth exporting the final version at more than 720p30 in the end. Plus, 7 GB final upload took an hour.

[@SirCrest]

@@TechTechPotatoWhat that from the video service you were using or the webcam?

[@tophan5146]

WOOOW

[@XDSDDLord]

Jim Keller is a great presenter

[@dominicjan]

wowowowowow!

[@mjsml]

Oh, please make a prosumer PCIe package... This will make your software bulletproof because lots of people will use it.

[@Martinit0]

Yes, we could gang up on OpenAI with peer-to-peer network of Tenstorrent cards if not too expensive. 75 or even 150W sounds doable

[@Kostantinarass]

The accent of Ljubisa's name is in the first syllable. And the s is light. Maybe he is used to this.

[@TechTechPotato]

I asked in advance how he'd like to be called. He said to go with this.

[@ramonzaions7522]

Please Do one I.P.O !!! I

[@georgeogrady7299]

Nice one amd

[@TheAIEpiphany]

Oh guys you butchered Ljubisa's name from the get-go hahah. A big hi to my fellow countryman Ljubisa! Glad to see Serbian people leading powerful tech companies. We need this diversity. It's also sad we didn't hear Ljubisa's thought processes a bit more. Jim as the rockstar did most of the talking. On the technical side, I'm a bit concerned about the 2D-mesh design decision and the assumption that models won't deviate too much from the present ones. Graphcore did a better decision on that front, IMHO, by creating a general computing platform and not trying to make too many assumptions about the architectures 5, 10 years from now. How do your chips support sparse operations needed to train Graph Neural Networks efficiently?

[@TechTechPotato]

I asked him before we started the interview the right way to pronounce it, and he said to go with this!

[@TheAIEpiphany]

@@TechTechPotato He probably gave up explaining people how to pronounce his name at this point in time hahah. Thank you for letting me know. That's very considerate I'd do the same with my guests.

[@kevin-jm3qb]

amazing interview. they got a billion dollar valuation, let's hope they can beat nvidia.

[@marksmod]

Ljubisa lives in a boat, it seems

[@organichand-pickedfree-ran1463]

It seems his laptop is on his lap

[@ironmantooltime]

We're not worthy! 🙏

[@mehnoy]

2 giants talk to tiny man, funny cam layout.

[@TechTechPotato]

My recording dropped to 144p about 10 minutes in. This was the best way to manage that

[@lionelt.9124]

10:30 Jim was the issue Bulldozer at AMD. lol.

[@josephbargo5024]

Ba bum pshhh

[@plasma06]

Jim Keller Makes the impossible possible.

[@nekoimenekoprezime5618]

Lyubisha Bayic

[@m_sedziwoj]

Do we get part only with Jim?

[@XYZ-ft4hw]

Shut up and take my money!!

[@yanniskouretas8688]

A.I. chip huh !? They could as well name the company "Cyberdyne Systems"

[@georgeogrady7299]

Need more vram then 4gb

[@Freshbott2]

"The world's always gonna end in 10 years cause _______________."?????

[@georgeogrady7299]

1144 gbps

[@skywalker1991]

Jim's plan was to catch up to Intel , his plan worked . but now if you look at Zen 4 its surpassed Intel in many ways . well look at threadripper its zen design and amd killed Intel for good there .

[@Martinit0]

Man, those Threadrippers are so juicy, but expensive! That RAM bandwidth! Kinda jelly that for consumer CPUs they throw us only 2 channels.

[@hautdoge141]

Came here for the butchered pronunciation of Ljubiša. Wasn't disappointed. Have updoot

[@TechTechPotato]

I did ask him before we started how to pronounce his name, he told me to go with this

[@acasccseea4434]

I don't know if you did this on purpose, but this was a really uninformative interview. I came out knowing almost nothing about what makes tenstorrent special other than Jim and the hard soft compatibility. There was so much focus on the person that the tech was entirely missing

[@NSPlayer]

13:19 jims time at AMD it litterly confirms what we know that Jim single handly in the short time improved AMD and saved them despite a group internally who thought it was impossible, stating there was cognitive dissonance. Saying it's impossible, Jim said that impossible was his part.

[@nooneelse1696]

AMD buy tentorrent@