6 Sharpening Station MUST Know Facts - Woodturning

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6 Sharpening Station MUST Know Facts - Woodturning
When it comes to the woodturning sharpening station there are some questions I get on a regular basis that need to be addressed. Let me help you know what you need to have set up to get the best sharpened woodturning tools.
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@paulruud5804
@paulruud5804 Ай бұрын
This is a great partial introduction to sharpening. I took Kent's sharpening course and there is even more good info in that. I highly recommend it. Since taking that course and sharpening/shaping a bunch of bowl gouges, my experience is completely consistent with what Kent recommends here. I think you have to spend some time sharpening to appreciate everything that Kent says.
@TurnAWoodBowl
@TurnAWoodBowl Ай бұрын
Awesome, thank you kindly, Paul! All the best to you and Happy Turning!
@GaryGreer-sd3ts
@GaryGreer-sd3ts Ай бұрын
Great info as always. I am using the same set-up, and I was delighted when I started using CBN wheels. I bought Woodwonders magnetic rod to collect the metal dust. While that rare earth magnet captured a lot of the dust there was still quite a bit to the sides, and it was difficult to clean the dust off the tube that held the magnet. My son made an excellent suggestion. I take a disposable wet wipe, unfold it and lay it across the magnet. I would say it collects about 90% of the dust now. When I am finished for the day, I just pick it off the magnet and wipe up any stray dust. I also think the 18-inch bar magnet from Harbor Freight may work as well.
@jean-philippepellan5249
@jean-philippepellan5249 Ай бұрын
I started my woodworking hobby some years ago with wood carving in mind so I purchased a Tormek sharpening system with an extra fine diamand wheel. The extra low speed and jigs allowed me to sharpened standard carving gouges, some weird back bent gouge, and skew chisels of all sizes. So when I eventually picked up woodturning I was already invested with Tormek. The major thing I had to adjust was purchasing a coarse diamand wheel because it would take FOREVER to reshape a turning gouge to a more usable profil. One of the biggest advantage of the diamand wheels is that they never change dimensions or shape. So with the machine all setup and a gouge in it’s jig I can just change the diamand wheel if I need a more polish edge without having to reset the machine or jig, it takes 30 seconds. Anyway as always very good video and thank you for the hard work.
@TurnAWoodBowl
@TurnAWoodBowl Ай бұрын
Thank you, Jean-Philippe. You are spot on! All the best to you and Happy Turning!
@tielkgate
@tielkgate Ай бұрын
As always, Good information, Kent. When I bought my CBN wheels, I took Stuart B.'s advice and bought a 180 and a 350 wheel. What I found was that the 350 put a beautifully polished grind on the tool, but the time on that wheel heated the edge really fast, and I continued to get weak edges that required resharpening more often. Once I moved to only the 180 wheel, I got better results. I like your analogy of how many miles of wood that gouge shapes the wood, that's really good. I too have had my sharpening tool move on me. Good advice there as well. Let the Chips Fly! Lowell
@deanweeks7956
@deanweeks7956 Ай бұрын
Thanks so much for the great info. You answered so many questions I had. Will be getting a new slow grinder and wheels. Thanks again.
@PINEPUPPY
@PINEPUPPY Ай бұрын
Another great educational video from a wood turning pro. That said, im 74 and am a hobby turner. I learned on a traditional bowl gouge. A razor sharp gouge, hours and hours of practice and an expensive sharpening system yield pro results. OR, you can buy a set of carbide turning tools and skip all the sharpening and turn bowls you can be proud of with a minimal learning curve. Does anyone agree?
@ArtHailey-ye3vx
@ArtHailey-ye3vx Ай бұрын
I disagree. Carbide tools are scraping tools. Traditional tools are cutting tools. I prefer the traditional tools. That being said, at the end of the day, if you put two turnings side by side, you probably can’t tell the difference between the carbide or the traditional tool turning. The other part of this would be the process itself. The enjoyment of the turning process is really important.
@PINEPUPPY
@PINEPUPPY Ай бұрын
@@ArtHailey-ye3vx I agree and a lot of folks call carbide tools "cheating". If you are on a tight budget or elderly and want a fast start, maybe "cheating" is ok? I still have my traditional gouge, just doesn't see the action it used to.
@MikeM-sc4tx
@MikeM-sc4tx Ай бұрын
@pinepuppy I know but i don’t sell the things i create and 15.00 may not be much, still have to ask myself buy new or eat?
@DancingFox6
@DancingFox6 Ай бұрын
I use both carbide and traditional tools all the time. They all have their use. Theres not a ‘right one’ and a ‘wrong one’, only a ‘this one’ and ‘that one’.
@MikeM-sc4tx
@MikeM-sc4tx Ай бұрын
@@DancingFox6 the subject was about sharpening stations, not tools. I have both as well. 2 cbn wheels, 180 & 320, and diamond card and lapping fluid. I can sharp it all. Can’t buy new every time something gets dull, including the lawn mower. Thats why they made bastard files. I have friends that don’t maintain there equipment and when it breaks yell what a piece of junk they bought. Mostly because nobody showed them how to take care of stuff. My Dad grew up on a farm in eastern Oklahoma, Indian territory. If you didn’t maintain everything you had there was no money to replace it. Thank god he instilled that in me and my brothers. If it breaks we fix it. If you see a repairman’s truck at my house it’s because he’s lost and needs directions. Now go learn something dammit.
@chuckross3243
@chuckross3243 Ай бұрын
Thanks for the info about the CBN wheel versus oxide. Very helpful.
@timofeyzhukov-khovanskiy9173
@timofeyzhukov-khovanskiy9173 Ай бұрын
I've ran a 1x30 belt sander for first 2 years of me turning with a varigrind/wolverine style jig. Precisely because I didn't want to spend another 250+ dollars on a sharpening station after I got a lathe. I guess the biggest pain point was getting platform on and off between gouges, as well as occasional belt blow up. I got the whole wolverine system setup now with a slow speed grinder. It is more comfortable, having concave grind on skew and scrapers is definitely a plus. And higher grit belts wear out after 10-20 good uses, so one CBN wheel is just less hassle. As far as saving money on wheels, an advise I got is to keep the coarse wheel that grinder came with until it wears out before upgrading to the CBN wheel. A 350 CBN wheel is just coarse enough to touch the gouge in 5-10 seconds in my experience without eating to much steel.
@glen3257
@glen3257 Ай бұрын
Again you have a great video! Super like. As a beginner, I have seen so much on doing spindle turning to learn before making bowl. Does this work for spindle turning? What are your thoughts on learning, bowl vs spindle? I just want to be comfortable with my tools and progress. Well in true honesty I fear the scew chisel and what a bad catch causes. I have renamed the scew chisel the widow maker. It may not kill you but that catch can maim you for life.
@angelarmas8017
@angelarmas8017 Ай бұрын
I use your 55 degree swept back on my bowl gauges and I love how they work. For consistency, I drill a 1/16 in hole thru base and extension arm of the wolverine jig and use the 2 in jig. When I am ready to sharpen a tool, just pull the extension till you see the hole and insert a 1/16 pin or a nail will do. Now I only need to basically, dress the tool, on the 180 grit cbn wheel and it is sharp and ready to cut
@TurnAWoodBowl
@TurnAWoodBowl Ай бұрын
Great tip, Angela! Thank you for writing and sharing! Happy Turning!
@markduggan3451
@markduggan3451 Ай бұрын
Lots of great information, one thing that I get confused with, although I'm 60+ I'm reasonably new to turning. What is the difference in a bowl gouge, and a spindle gouge and is there a difference in the way you sharpen them?
@leewhaley552
@leewhaley552 Ай бұрын
I wish you would come do the Irish grind on my 1/2" bowl gouge. Im scared I will mess it up.
@keithomilak3693
@keithomilak3693 Ай бұрын
What are your thoughts on knocking off the burr? I've seen a few videos suggest it to help prolong the life of the sharp edge, and others say leave it to have maximum sharpness. If it's better in your opinion to remove it, would you recommend rolling it inward towards the flute or outward towards the bevel?
@michaelogden5958
@michaelogden5958 Ай бұрын
I'm no pro by any means, but I do agree that sharp tools are EVERYTHING in the turning world. Yes, there are folks out there - even pros - who say "I've been using a high speed grinder and oxide wheels with no jigs for forty years. Those wimpy slow speed grinders, goofy jigs, and fancy CBN wheels are for sissies." For them, I say "More power to ya." For me, I'll take a quick, consistent means of sharpening any day. Oh, and a tool (or set of tools) that I find handy is the Raptor Set Up tool(s). They don't have a 55 degree tool. though. 🙂
@loucinci3922
@loucinci3922 Ай бұрын
Nice job. Thanks
@ScottJacobsenTurtle
@ScottJacobsenTurtle Ай бұрын
Kent, I have the Tormek system with the original wheel. It works well sharpening a tool, but is very slow when shaping a profile. I am considering investing in a new wheel. Tormek does not sell a CBN wheel, but they do sell a black wheel (for HSS), and a diamond wheel is various grits. There are CBN wheels available for the Tormek, from other companies, not sure how they do when wet grinding. Do you have any recommendations?
@TurnAWoodBowl
@TurnAWoodBowl Ай бұрын
Thank you for writing and sharing, Scott! I do not have enough info abotu the Tormek to recommend. Happy Turning!
@colind2955
@colind2955 Ай бұрын
Hi Kent, thank you for another great video. Can you advise i have three profiles on my bowl gouges 45,55,60 but I have a fixed position on the jig but move the slide in and out to cater for the appropriate angle my understanding from your video correct me if I am wrong is for each grind angle this should be moved? Many thanks
@TurnAWoodBowl
@TurnAWoodBowl Ай бұрын
Yes, every different grind does require adjusting the v-arm and the jig leg. We cover this in the Tool Sharpening course in great detail. All the best to you and Happy Turning!
@nelsonpalmer4831
@nelsonpalmer4831 Ай бұрын
Thank you for another exceptional presentation on tools for turning. Kent, at the time I began wood turning, I saw a demo by Wood Turners Wonders - displaying the Kodiak sharpening system. I bought the system and much to my dismay I cannot find any local wood turners who also have this system and can discuss some issues I have with the swivel head tool holder. Have you ever used or evaluated the Kodiak system ? If so ? Would you have any pointers that might assist me in a favorable results in sharpening? Thanks again for you continuing contribution to turning.
@krperry2007
@krperry2007 Ай бұрын
I have this also. Adjusting the tension on the bolts where the parts pivot is helpful to allow smooth movement. Also, I decided to turn the base around so the wheels grind up away from the tool, this is less grabby especially when sharpening the bottom feeder gouges with a large bevel angle.
@Ethan-pb3jq
@Ethan-pb3jq Ай бұрын
Kent, may I respectfully urge you to contact Jimmie at D-Way for his input on grits and speeds to use on modern HSS, particular the M42 and M2 steel used in the better tools. His input is informed by a metallurgist and his and Dave’s experience over decades making tens of thousands of lathe tools. His recommendations for consumer-level sharpening equipment differ from yours. He’s very accessible and would be happy to have the discussion.
@ofrank6551
@ofrank6551 Ай бұрын
One point of inconsistency I have found is that the white plastic on the bearing that tightens the gouge in the Vari-grind jig deforms and causes the edges to grind differently each time the gouge is placed in the jig. I placed a mark on the plastic so that the mark always faces forward creating a more consistent edge on the gouge.
@pjenslin1
@pjenslin1 Ай бұрын
Thanks for video. I have both the Sorby ProEdge and Wolverine System (although lately I use only the Sorby as my Wolverine System does not have a CBN wheel and I have a normal shop grinder and slow speed grinders are not available in my country)) is very happy with it. Would like to see a video where you share your view of the system.
@TurnAWoodBowl
@TurnAWoodBowl Ай бұрын
Thank you for writing and sharing, PJ! I cover both systems thoroughly in my Tool Sharpening course. Happy Turning!
@Bob-el5ei
@Bob-el5ei 18 күн бұрын
Not sure where to contact you. What product and where did you acquire that dust screen behind you.?
@TurnAWoodBowl
@TurnAWoodBowl 18 күн бұрын
Good news, you just contacted me. ;) Watch this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/fHPcloFtpLR9htU Happy Turning!
@pjseiber2774
@pjseiber2774 Ай бұрын
Can you tell me the angle in degrees of the leg on the varigrind and the length of stick out that you use for your 55° sweepback bowl gouge? As always enjoyed the video.
@TurnAWoodBowl
@TurnAWoodBowl Ай бұрын
It will depend on your setup. I cover all this in the Tool Sharpening course. All the best to you and Happy Turning!
@pjseiber2774
@pjseiber2774 Ай бұрын
​@@TurnAWoodBowlI'm disappointed with your reply. I had the idea that you were interested in helping fellow turners but asking for this little tidbit of info show me that you are all about the dollar and nothing else. I see now what Reed was talking about.
@MikeM-sc4tx
@MikeM-sc4tx Ай бұрын
@pinepuppy carbide needs sharpening as well. Not as often as HSS, but still it gets dull. Have to use diamond card and lapping fluid.
@PINEPUPPY
@PINEPUPPY Ай бұрын
@@MikeM-sc4tx yes, they get dull, but you can easily rotate the cutter to get a fresh edge x4. If you only turn occasionally, they last quite awhile and are only $15 to replace.
@TurnAWoodBowl
@TurnAWoodBowl Ай бұрын
That is correct, Mike. And that too is covered in my Tool Sharpening course. Happy Turning!
@PINEPUPPY
@PINEPUPPY Ай бұрын
​@@TurnAWoodBowlhi Kent...just wanted to let you know I couldn't get the link to your tool sharpening course to open. I'm sure it's a great course, like all your others.
@guillaumejacques_1
@guillaumejacques_1 Ай бұрын
Im a little stunned by those informations. Im using a 6 inch 80 cbn wheel on a regular shop grinder. But! Im doing well with it… I mean the results I have are good. I never had like concave shape or anything. I dont get it…
@That_is_for_me_to_know
@That_is_for_me_to_know Ай бұрын
I’m with you. I also use a CBN wheel on a 150mm (6”) grinder and produce a 55deg bowl gouge grind. Only wish I had purchased a wider wheel (1 1/2”) than I did.
@DancingFox6
@DancingFox6 Ай бұрын
I use two jigs - one for spindle gouges and one for bowl gouges. I glued a piece of hard wood to my bench next to the grinder but there’s nothing special inside the depth hole. Now I have to go hunt down your pattern to see what the surprise inside should be. Yes! Oxide wheels do break. They can break dramatically and into pieces. Anyone want to know how I know that? 😉
@adgieem1
@adgieem1 Ай бұрын
Can you or anyone explain to me why lathe tools are NOT LABELED to show exactly what each one is. Example, bowl gouge, shew, parting tool, spindle gouge. Etc etc. ??
@TurnAWoodBowl
@TurnAWoodBowl Ай бұрын
Hm? Good question. Perhaps the companies making them just assume everyone knows.
@adgieem1
@adgieem1 Ай бұрын
@@TurnAWoodBowl and we all know what happens when we ASSUME.
@adgieem1
@adgieem1 Ай бұрын
@@TurnAWoodBowl by the way. I am a huge fan of your videos. You do a great job of explaining and teaching.
@archiehebron8944
@archiehebron8944 Ай бұрын
I've had a wheel catch before. It pretty scary. I didn't get hurt, but my bowl gouge had a notch taken out of it. It could have been much worse, too. Im very cautious while grinding the wings.
@TurnAWoodBowl
@TurnAWoodBowl Ай бұрын
Yup, Archie, I didn't want to go to far into that, but I had that same thing happen. I wasn't paying attention and the tool drifted off the wheel. I focus ALL THE TIME now at the sharpening station. The good news, it only takes that happening once. ;) All the best to you and Happy Turning!
@RonMc-k2k
@RonMc-k2k Ай бұрын
The sharpening jig is set to 23 degrees and locked into position for your preferred angle( 55 x 55 wing back) I took your coarse, was great.
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