Robots sculpt marble in Italy, sparking worries about future of art form | 60 Minutes

[@ryangierman4421]

It’s just a CNC machine for stone. This is not new tech. Various types of CNC machines have been in use for signage, arts and manufacturing for about 30 years now.

[@colstoun4762]

It’s been used in stone sculpture for about the same time as well

[@AriAri-fi4ix]

my comment would be: "here in Brazil we call it CNC."

[@pdjinne65]

That's what I was about to write. Just a CNC, nothing to fret about!

[@javenturner1]

You can say its just a CNC Machine but nobody else is going to bother copying this because you need to operate in Carrara where the best marble in the world is and have a good track record of supporting artists. People are not going to start getting people with CNC machines in their garage to do this for them. The sourcing of the best Marble in the world and the finishing craftsman are what make them special.

[@mattstaab6399]

Fact

[@acousticarchivefortwayne930]

Michelangelo rolls in his grave? Well maybe Da Vinci says, "Give me one of those CNC machines and I'll show you something really incredible."

[@lawrencefrost9063]

Yeah I was thinking Leonardo the world's most inventive ENGINEER would absolutely love this. Leo the world's greatest ARTIST..who knows

[@RamonChiNangWong078]

he's probably teaching and training himself with Blender/ZBrush

[@taramcdonough3599]

Could it be citizens world wide have been lied to about how long computers & robots have been around? Just maybe there were carving robos that Michalangelo & his buddies used back in their time. The world govts have lied to citizens endlessly so, why would they not lie about how long they have had the computer technology. somthing to think about!!

[@pmshah1946]

BTW the CNC can only clone. Can it EVER create something from a block of marble on its own ? Even utilising the finest programming brains?

[@BinuralOdyssey]

Exactly.

[@Franklinguy759]

Multi axis CNC programmer here. If you saw how involved it is to create a robust model for those sculptures and to generate toolpath that could reach all of those features it would be definitely be called ART. Even if you scan an existing sculpture it is no small task to get smooth and flowing toolpath. Also you can make multiple almost identical sculptures. That would be very unlikely doing it by hand.

[@gojete]

what programming does one study to learn this model stuff? is it done in pytone and things like that? i need change job.

[@isaiahtricemusic]

@@gojete Stuff like power mill

[@ShaneHerrick]

Modern artists whith flaccid, whimp hands.

[@Franklinguy759]

I would start with Master-cam 5 axis for toolpath and Solid Works for modeling. Then a Verification .

[@DROP_BEARZ]

Agreed, I use CAD plotters and lasers etc even on a 2d plane it is not easy. Also there is the initial design.

[@bigpuffyfluff]

love how the marble sound at the end transitions to the 60 min ticking sound. good job, editor!

[@nebel-i5w]

Now I have to listen to the whole thing

[@IndikaRatnayake]

@13:10

[@Cha4k]

I was thinking the same thing, Someone is very proud of themselves for that 😆

[@stefanjer]

Camera Its a different form of capturing pictures,this is more like a robot with a paintbrush,its making art mass prodused and cheaper as you see,making handmade workers eventually quit their pansion which will become unprofitable for a living.Offcourse unless they want to get a milion dolar mashine. @georgemartin4354

[@slikskils1603]

first thing i thought to comment on. it seemed to be a metaphor for 60 minutes itself.

[@davidcahan]

I like that quote, "if your idea is bad whether you make it with a robot or not it'll still be bad"

[@real_hello_kitty]

What a waste of marble resources..

[@Aluttuh]

I like the "Sculpting is passion robots are business"

[@jordanwilliams2557]

⁠@@real_hello_kitty I would say the same thing about many other items

[@user-jpwiremans1575]

FIine you got a great idea but do not call it art because it is not .

[@user-jpwiremans1575]

​@@jordanwilliams2557...Other things are not art huge difference .

[@barrygormley]

The Zbrush artist should be recognized as the sculpture of these pieces of art. If you aren't doing the Zbrush sculpt you aren't the artist.

[@BadPractices]

It’s collaborative. I do both, but I think CNC programming is harder than 3D sculpting. Especially because these sculptures don’t even need good topology. You can just sculpt it into a usable STL but programming the CAM pass is an art unto itself.

[@newp0rt]

i dare you to try and learn how to properly run a CNC. this is the most basic form of ignorance. its like how a director gets all the credit for a film that the editor REALLY made shine. a bad editor shows just as much as a bad director. you dont just throw an exported file into a CNC and wait. that being said, nobody cares about technical aspects. like you everyone will just care about the designer and not the people that put it all together.

[@michaeljohnangel6359]

The general public doesn't understand that virtually all the artists, great and ordinary, had assistants to carry out their works. Bernini had a large studio of employees (the best of them was Bonarelli, whose wife was Bernini's mistress), Rodin had assistants to enlarge his clay models and make the works he is famous for, portrait painters employed drapery painters to paint the clothing in their portaraits, Raphael had a lot of painters to help paint his paintings, Rubens had the largest number of assistants, Rembrandt's paintings were partially painted by his students, Michelangelo had craftsmen block out the big forms of his sculptures .... This was standard practice in the past - it's why they were able to achieve such large bodies of work.

[@yvonneplant9434]

All the people who are upset about the destruction of western civilation don't seem to know that information in this report is how we have a chance of saving it.

[@wendyfarrowartist]

There are quite a few studios that work that way today, with one man, usually a man, taking the credit. I still would prefer anything made by human hands, the actual touch of human hands, mistakes and all, to something made by machine.

[@yc5391]

you know nothing! this is an ignorant point of view. i sculpt better than that robot and i have no help!

[@yc5391]

also a body of work is not the same as doing the work! you know nothing!

[@michaeljohnangel6359]

@@yc5391 I think you might need help. I'm 78 and was one of the highest paid portrait painters in North America for almost 20 years. Now and for the last 25 years, I'm the studio director of, and one of the instructors at, one of the most prestigeous art schools in Florence, Italy. How's that for knowing nothing? What have you accomplished?

[@normbal]

A Jazz Pianist I knew once told me he would never stoop so low as to use an electronic piano - I told him in a past life I knew a Harpsichordist who would rather die than use an instrument which so crudely hammered strings rather than plucked them and there was a ghost of a hurdy-gurdy player behind him whining a similar refrain… time, and tools, change. Artistry is in the eye of the beholder.

[@AB-wf8ek]

I'm an artist myself and agree. I find it ironic that often, those who claim new technology lacks creativity, lack the imagination to use them expressively. Though, I agree that oftentimes these tools attract more business minded people and the comodification art. That's why I think it's important for artists to embrace new technology in order to offer alternative approaches rather than allowing the market to be dominated by slop art.

[@jeffhayesexperiment]

I mean it’s like saying a guitarist the only plays acoustic guitar will never play an electric guitar with a n amp? Why though? It’s literally the exact same thing ? Some of these old time boomers are just stuck in the past and are arrogant. Pshhhh whatever just play it’s all the same

[@0o0ox]

not the same....

[@donquixote8462]

How is that the same to something that literally makes the art itself? Good God. That's totally irrelevant. That's like comparing a chisel to a jackhammer, not a chisel to an AI powered robot arm 😂

[@MnemonicHeadTrip]

The difference here is that human hands aren't involved in the crafting of a sculpture, whereas all of those instruments you listed still require full human input to create music. A more accurate comparison would be like if you made a robot to play the guitar- a human would have to provide the inputs but they would need not the technical knowledge and skill to play the music itself.

[@HumbertoHernandez]

Ah yes, the "robots don't ask for vacations, or get sick, or ask for a salary" argument.... ugh.

[@ohara.]

thats not ugh thats the truth of using these machines for most manufacturers around the world, I see both good and bad in this technology has made it easy for someone whos not an artist or hasn't devoted their life to perfecting a skill using a method to come up with something "art" like on the other hand I see someone who has trouble learning or for whatever reason finds a difficult to communicate their imagination through a medium and this allows them to do it, I carve anime sculptures out of wood but a 3D printer can do the same with plastic faster while destroying nature using that plastic yet I still have customers I don't find it intimidating

[@shayisenor6896]

No matter how advanced technology may become ( in any art form) , I do believe that there are people who will always prefer and support the beauty of various creations birthed by human hands. ❤

[@3runjosh]

why are you typing this on a keyboard. find a feather pen write a letter on papyrus and send it by horse and cart to 60 minutes expressing this message.

[@masterofallclasses7287]

@@3runjosh That dumb response has nothing to do with the comment above and neither you have with intelligence...

[@gteaz]

@@3runjosh "I do believe" isn't "I want"

[@lllllahwhwg]

@@3runjosh Ok done, now what?

[@bahamut149]

The 3D model those CNC machine using to cut stone are made by human hands.

[@DFMurray]

The artist they're hinting at that they don't want anyone to know about is Daniel Arsham.

[@leonardodalongisland]

Thanks. I just looked his-not-impressive work up.

[@bradolfpittler2875]

​@@leonardodalongislandhe's better than a lot.

[@bettywhiteandtheboondockers]

@@bradolfpittler2875because a robot makes it 😂

[@leonardodalongisland]

@@bradolfpittler2875 And most "art" is crap, so that's not saying much. Everyone is better than everyone on the planet-except one person.

[@jt8251]

@@leonardodalongisland art is only considered to be crap because another human being determined it to be so. If that equation now involves a non-human producing art then I’m just gonna go ahead and make the determination that every single solitary thing that that nonhuman produces is complete and utter crap.

[@Seer-cw9lu]

It’s all about the money not the art

[@egx161]

Those workers are not using any PPE. They are inhaling marble dust, which is not good. Marble and diamond dust plus who knows what else. Wow.

[@somnuswaltz5586]

Ok Karen. Go find the manager

[@qwerty777FFF]

@@somnuswaltz5586 "Karen" aka someone who actually understands science and medicine enough to know that silicosis is a real threat and will eventuate to death in these workers. It is the job of the employer to enforce PPE and OSHA requirements, or whatever OSHA equivalent they have in Italy.

[@stealthiestboy]

Nah let this guy breathe it in. God will sort him out. ​@JDMonsterGoesToTheMoon

[@Bugnarok]

I guess all those people already knew the consequences ... yet they still not using protective gears. So it's their choice.

[@leonardodalongisland]

I thought the same thing-and the last ones we saw are Americans-they should know better!

[@StephenMykal]

The entire premiss is ridiculous. Decoration & art are NOT the same. Robots sculpting is simply that. Only artists can make art, no matter what medium. Machines can only make product. There is a huge difference and artists will still remain as they have since the beginning of time.

[@KimsLantern]

Hopefully people will remember/realize how impressive it is when something truly beautiful has been done by human skill/hands alone.

[@mrdragonrider]

I just want to set the record straight about Michaelangelo. Mozart was known to finish his music in his head and write it down on paper without any corrections or revisions later on. Michaelangelo worked the same way with his sculptures. When he was commissioned for David, the stone was already looked at by many sculptors to be unworkable because the stone was cut too thin. To make things worse, a couple of sculptors already tried and failed, leaving a huge gap in the bottom center. Yet, Michaelangelo saw his David in the stone and began working. Michaelangelo made no markings or drawings on the stone as if he had the sculpture already finished in his head and just chiseled away to completion. This can be verified through some of his unfinished sculptures. You will see a block of marvel then suddenly on one side you see a fully formed head with a detailed face full of emotions just emerging out of nowhere. Due to the way he worked with stone, no assistant could help him because he would sculpt the details from the get-go.

[@leop1830]

Real art is valued because of the skill, passion and discipline of the artist who made it.

[@maythesciencebewithyou]

not at all. Most people do not think about how much work an artist put into it. And clearly you are oblivious of digital sculpting.

[@leop1830]

Anyone can buy cheap art. The keyword is "real" and "valued".

[@hidad5601]

Art is valued on scarcity and how deep are the pockets of the people who want it!

[@NazriBuang-w9v]

Lies again? Steal Porsche Cayman Series

[@ShrekMeBe]

Better copied art than those horrible nouveau art of the last 50 years. Still, this has very little to do with art. Take away the supporting tools, get then the measure of those copying artists

[@driggars]

They say history repeats itself, 6000 years from now someone will find that sculpture and wonder how we were able to make such intricate details in marble so long ago with only hammer and chisels!!

[@MangaGamified]

would be bad if a crazy rich guy decided to make a time capsule that lasts just as long if not longer and puts a note "some of those statues are not made by hand but robots!"

[@rl332]

D Wade watching this in tears 😂

[@Skj9-u3k]

😂😂

[@jdubb200]

I was thinking the same thing. They should have used Robo for his statue.😂😂

[@clmk28]

lol 😂

[@oakinwol]

That bronze statue was literally the first thing that came to my mind with this 😂

[@jtmplmbr4465]

Hahahaha😂

[@darrellkr]

Wow the mountains and valley are amazing.

[@FluorescentTeddy]

And they're disappearing 😢

[@marviwilson1853]

They won't be there for much longer if they keep digging it away.

[@Fee76Lawlus]

0:48 Michangelo would thrilled. He envisioned machinery. 😂😂

[@andrewsparks-pb5kn]

The sound of the chisel tapping then transitioning to the clock ticking at the end would have been such a missed opportunity. I’m really glad they did that.

[@JayMcda]

I know the assembly team putting this together was going crazy when they did that transition 😂😂😂

[@PurpleMonkeyDishwasher88]

The last 2 artists/sculptors - Barry and Richard have it right. The robotic chiseling is just but a useful tool for the artist to wield to create their work. The sculptor/artist still has to design the piece and go back and forth before coming up with the design, and even they still have to perform the finishing work to make sure it comes out right. Similar thing happened in the architecture field when CAD (computer-aided design) software came to the field, and instead of spending hundreds of hours on a drawing board and a t-square with a dozen different pencils to draw lines of different depth and thickness, now the software streamlined that process, and made the work much easier to perform. Though the new tools and way to do things, never was able to replace the idea in the mind of the designer/artist.

[@wolfnoggin2165]

Hand made craftsmanship will always be more appreciated and valuable than a machine.

[@JSM-bb80u]

Which one do you use? Handwritten books or printed books?

[@wolfnoggin2165]

@@JSM-bb80u sadly printed books. There is an industry where the guy hands writes books and holy books by hand for big bucks. If I had the money I would spend it on that for sure.

[@wolfnoggin2165]

@@12xenn45 i believe in exclusivity where the concept quality over quantity applies. Also they are not equal in quality… big difference

[@JSM-bb80u]

@@wolfnoggin2165 But it doesn't matter. It would be extremely expensive. Also how would you guess a statue is hand made or machine made just by looking it?

[@wolfnoggin2165]

@ theres many conditions to monitor that the statue is being done by hand.

[@butchfajardo8832]

If he wants to do it by hand, I respect his decision. The only difference will be of course, the price.

[@loezperisoni9205]

this is a good point because it also reflects the value of the artpiece.

[@armarmo964]

My father is also a scalpturefor over 40 years know, believe it or not this Cnc statue are priced very expensive my father charges the same as the Cnc company, and there is a different when it comes to to transparent stones, Cnc machine can not work on those because the stone becomes opaque from the harsh cutting angle, the only advantage the Cnc has it the time.

[@butchfajardo8832]

@@armarmo964 , so the CNC also has its limitations. Thanks for the info! Your father must charge more than the CNC is charging.

[@clam4597]

If the things are identical, why the price should be different?

[@loezperisoni9205]

@@clam4597 I guess carving marble is a more skilled practice than drawing with a 3d software imo

[@kevenquinlan]

Hmm. When you remove the human element from the creation of art... you delete the purpose in making it. This is fine if you just want something nice to look at, but it NEEDS to be created by an actual person in order to have a soul attached to it. This counts for all of the art forms. I'm not against AI or machines, I totally get it- but I'd be loath to consider any of the things they do with that= Art. (as an aside, an interesting paradox, that the things that are usurping what is man's best qualities, are themselves, created by man)

[@Gaisiran]

It amazing to see the human hand and physical energy translate into works of art become obsolete. Many people have great ideas but the skill to create beyond prompts makes art created by the human more valuable than any artificial laborer.

[@ookiiyoo]

I don’t think the reality that the masters had teams really makes any difference. It doesn’t change the fact that using a robot definitely takes magic away from sculpture. Using it as a tool to take away the heavy lifting makes perfect sense- but in a world where everything is automated or AI, I will always place more respect and value on things created solely by human hands- whether it was one person or an anonymous team. SomeONE used their time, energy, and body to do it. That is a type of value that robots will absolutely never have.

[@ShaneMcGrath.]

Good for you, You can pay 2 million and I'll pay $2000 and get the same thing!

[@ookiiyoo]

@ShaneMcGrath. Truly spoken as someone who values money more than the actual art (being one of the most tangible parts of the human condition). It’s fine to feel that way, but you seem to be fixated on the money. Anyone with critical thinking and some context knows that the art “market” is by and for the wealthy to have assets, which is very sad. I’m talking about intrinsic value. If they were both free, and both exactly the same- would you still pick the one that’s made entirely by a robot? Maybe so, because that adds a cool element for you. Maybe not, because you value the human element that has been the creator for thousands of years. Knowing that it comes from someone who has dedicated their life, time, and effort to go from step one to finished piece like I do. It’s my opinion, so there’s not really any reason to be sarcastic.

[@aaronmontgomery2055]

@@ookiiyoo I would say they are being cynical rather than sarcastic. To the point of cost though, for marble works the cost will still be large. So the idea of 2k for a sculpture is crazy. Maybe if it was concrete.

[@s.e.studios1386]

They had teams but the contemporary art world had exaggerated this. There was a lot of material prep and such to be done. Some had bigger teams and some just one for two assistants. The current art world tries to suggest that assistants meant the artist didn't do their own work. This is not true. They were usually the dominant creative hand on any project. The big name artists, critics and art people are all in bed together and so support each others lies.

[@douglasrandall6737]

Most artist that carved in marble had Italian craftsman copy their clay model to 90% completion and then they finish the rest.

[@gbekkema]

This should be the top comment

[@BonsaiBlacksmith]

Thats called a Miniature aka a 3D Plan for the artist to follow instead of a 2D sketch for the Clay Model, and all the work was being done by Artists, maybe in two different locations but the Craft itself was protected.

[@BonsaiBlacksmith]

@@gbekkema why? doesnt have any relevancy to the topic

[@gbekkema]

@@BonsaiBlacksmith I think the whole of this comment section would disagree. What do you then think what the topic is?

[@hizzlemobizzle]

So you are saying it was done by human hands? That is the point.

[@shannonandrei]

That's cute! Why am I not surprised I didn't hear these WORRIES about the BANANA THAT WAS DUCK TAPED in an art museum?

[@feywerfolevado6286]

I wouldn’t buy it.

[@Dome98Otaku]

You can't afford it either way

[@incoprea2]

The artistry is in the idea like he said, but also in the execution and, In the bold move to use new technology, like famous artists of the past would have done!

[@incoprea2]

If you went back in time to the ' masters' you would see that they were all using the most advanced technology of their day...

[@stephenfoleycom]

Copying art isn’t art.

[@ringogamboa5731]

The Art of Cheating...😮

[@robertrootes]

The Italian salesman ain't selling it. Art for art sake is a labor of love, not the flip of a switch.

[@SeattlePioneer]

[@fireflyfilms2197]

I agree, he said well the artist comes up with the idea ( duh, yeah) and he thought that was all you needed to sell his expensive machine, and call it the artistic process.

[@qwertylink9066]

They sold crappy modern art, what makes this any different? At least this one is better.

[@shanekhiu9884]

It depends on how much you care about the method, the result is the same.

[@agps4418]

if the carvings impressed people, it's already art. you don't have a say on it 😂

[@MrThiagopereira20]

They forgot what really is beautiful in art, that is a balance between perfection and imperfection actions.

[@CosminNeagu]

I love how random and beautiful are those 60 minutes segments. Never thought about a marble sculpting robot or the types of italian stone.

[@j2futures500]

Mistakes contain more genius than Perfection.

[@justicedemocrat9357]

LMFAO no it doesn't

[@volcom305670]

This means the real masters work will in time become priceless

[@hablah5015]

NOTHING CAN REPLACE HAND MADE. THIS IS THE HUMAN SPIRIT THAT NEVER FADE AWAY.

[@samr.england613]

I totally agree. BUT NO REASON TO CAPITALIZE!

[@tomhighsmith]

NEVER ?

[@MonsieurDoge]

Michelangelo’s sculptures awe us because every chisel stroke is his and his assistants'. When machines take over-even with human prompts-something essential is lost.Similar with how some might find AI art impressive, but without the artist’s hand and struggle, it’s just lifeless replication, not true art.

[@SquidsEye]

Not strictly true, he had assistants that helped him with his sculptures. In a similar way that this robot does the rough cutting and then it is finished by a human.

[@xcel5203]

Would you caption it accordingly?

[@MonsieurDoge]

@SquidsEye oh yeah, you're right, I forgot, although I would argue that it is still the craftsmanship of the artisans that is truly what makes sculptures so special. But robots? Sure, it is an impressive feat, but only in regards to robotics and science, not sculptures. Essentially, sculptures loses its soul, or partly at the least, when they are done by machines, even if humans are involved.

[@JasonLarsen-t3v]

This is not AI. Not yet anyway.

[@kellymkwananzi9769]

Soon AI will design the art and then robots sculpt...this robot art will stop being appealing once it becomes easily accessible and u have 100s of them being made in Chinese factories..only real art will stand the test of time

[@Humanaut.]

You can dig a hole by hand. You can dig a hole using a shovel. You can dig a hole using an excavator. You can program an excavator to dig the hole as you want it. "How you program the machine is a work of art".

[@Ranstone]

But not your art. The art of the engineer who made the program/machine.

[@AlvarHanso84]

for a real artist the process is more important than the result

[@jelsner5077]

Robots are merely a new tool in the artist's arsenal.

[@arcadiagreen150]

Like steroids for a baseball player.

[@jelsner5077]

@arcadiagreen150 or a metal chisel to an ape?

[@arcadiagreen150]

@jelsner5077 apes didnt invent metal chisels

[@arcadiagreen150]

@@jelsner5077 apes didnt invent chisels

[@palimdragonmaster3k]

Like commissioning someone else to do it

[@MotorbikeDesign]

Its like saying that you are a great chef by doing the right settings on your microwave 😂

[@davechavezjr5399]

The amount of talent and skill that Michelangelo possessed boggles the mind! Having robots sculpt marble doesn’t boggle anything except to create counterfeit sculptures!

[@TheBlargMarg]

Pretty much if someone saw an amazingly detailed sculpture made out of a delicate material such as marble and was told it was made by a human, they would be astonished that a person could have the talent to craft such an item. Now tell that same person a robot made it, and they would see it as something like a 3D printer which in some ways, it is a 3D print of an item, and they would probably be not impressed.

[@turolretar]

I would be different kinds of impressed because of how humans and machine are different. The engineering it took to make a robot that carves marble statues is also mind boggling

[@anon7927]

​@@turolretar the engineering put into it is mind boggling what it can do is mind boggling but a person "carving" a statue using one of those robots is trivial to say in the least the skill difference is night and day; it's not so much about ends as much as it is about the means

[@eli84360]

So i guess being able to make a model in CAD and writing a CNC program makes you an artist now lol

[@josephdouglas6260]

If you make it in real life, that literally does make you an artist. 99% of every physical object, art or not, aside from painting- starts in CAD

[@Jay-uv5xg]

@@josephdouglas6260not true

[@supermanblackedition]

How do you think they make watches and other luxury goods?

[@Jay-uv5xg]

@@supermanblackedition its more a question of why do u want all of them to be made in cad

[@supermanblackedition]

@ two reasons, 1) accessibility, Sculpting and stone work in general are really expensive 2) no one said you had to always use cad. You can still chisel from scratch.

[@Creolemonkey]

No matter what, humanity would keep marching on. What we despise today we adore tomorrow. Ah humans!!

[@augustwest8559]

I’m an artist. Using a CNC machine isn’t the same as by hand looks different very dead. These guys using CNC robots are after money.

[@PSNvjimmy]

The impression I got is they are using the robot to do the “grunt work” and get most of the way there and then the artist does all the detail so what you actually see is the work done by hand in the end.

[@gteaz]

@@PSNvjimmy Everything was done by hand, the robot made by hand, programming by hand. All the handwork involved moved more stone from the sculpture faster than one hand.

[@Atilla-m9i]

What if a by hand artist has carpal tunnel syndrome then is robot okay for you?

[@augustwest8559]

@@Atilla-m9i No craftsman don’t get carpal tunnel. That a office lady defect.

[@rogeramezquita5685]

I honestly think is just like a 3d printing . It ripping off the soul in crafting same thing happen with photography when digital photography took over

[@usnchief1339]

Evolution

[@DetectiveTrupo203]

You don't think that painters and artists said the same thing when cameras were invented? "Oh that's not art, you just press a button!" In the future, a robot actually carving a piece of marble will be considered quaint and outdated. You see? Everything is relative. Everyone uses the tools they have at their disposal.

[@gteaz]

@@usnchief1339 File - Sand paper - Powered angle grinder - Stepping motors - Lasers The artists tools got better and faster. You're still an artist. These people are pretty much saying "You're not a doctor if you're using advanced medicine or life support machines"

[@polloloci21]

The real artists are those CNC programmers 😂

[@Michael-j9w5i]

What has always made great art remarkable wasn't the fact that it existed, but that it was created directly by the human eye and hand. Take away the eye and hand element and it becomes an artificial replica of art.

[@aleckto28]

how do you think the 3d model was sculpted? The eyes and hands of a human artist perhaps?

[@headhunter_4209]

@@aleckto28 exactly Michelangelo would absolutely have been all in on using robots

[@leonardodalongisland]

As an artist (who uses both; humans and machines): you are 100 percent spot-on.

[@FunTimeシ]

5:08 “I am… Marble Man.”

[@ab3d594]

The red wax matcap always gets me 🤣. If you know, you know

[@JohnnyArtPavlou]

What people don’t understand is the number of people traditionally involved in making most kinds of sculpture well into the 20th century. Sculptors whose finished work is in bronze rely upon skilled foundry workers. Centuries of artists whose work is finished and marble created clay models that were then reproduced in plaster that were then sent off to skilled Italian carvers who translated the work into marble. And yes, they may come in at the end, and do the final detailing and finishing.

[@rogeramezquita5685]

And that’s the soul of sculpture not damn robot

[@BonsaiBlacksmith]

Those advances you speak of in your comment facilitated new forms of art but none of those advancements replaced Humans and allowed Human skills to die out. Without Humans hands its not Art.

[@Geo-Storm]

Michelangelo is still the GOAT 🐐

[@CanceIed]

Facts! 💯

[@Fiendy]

And will continue to be the greatest of all time since all these lazy wanna be “artist” downgrading themselves to let a robot do half the work.

[@harrylatham4776]

30yrs ago... manual drafting to computer aided design software. look where we are now. same with computer aided sculpting.

[@ShinyAnvil]

As someone who studied art history and worked in cathedral restorations, bell casting, and restored stained glass I can confirm that all great masters, architects, painters, textile tapestry makers, armory blacksmiths, sculptors, glass blowing artists, stained glass masters had their own teams of helpers and apprentices and it was a prestigious honor to be able to work for a recognized master. The mysticised misconception that great works were done by a single individual are simply not true. Moreover the fact is that throughout time mankind always tried and use the best tools available and state of the art approach for any given moment in history. Progress is a constant reality.

[@kyrieeleison2793]

Yes, so what happens to those art trades if the apprentices disappear and no one is there to learn the basics of the skill through studying under a master artist? The apprenticeship model will never die, it still exists to this day, but it will greatly reduce the quality of the artform. I was a glass blowing apprentice, for example, and I learned by doing the "grunt" work, showing very early on I had exceptional skill and moving on quickly to more advanced projects. If a robot now takes care of pulling all the "stringers" of glass, cutting the glass, etc, then where will the new generations of artisans come from? The problem with the robot, is that is not a "tool" in the traditional sense, it is a automation machine used to churn out more and more bad art, as is clearly the case of the meaningless, abstract monstrosities that last artist was churning out.

[@ShinyAnvil]

@ Indeed the answer isn’t obviously black or white. As technology advances the borders are also more blurred and it will become harder and harder to accept, to argue how much mechanical or technological aid, A. I. input is over the tolerable human limit.

[@randalad1997]

Please let Trey Parker and Matt Stone know about this, it would make a great "they took urr jobs" Episode of southpark😆

[@davidadamson419]

Sometimes people forget that chisels and hammers are (simple) machines too 😂

[@emryadora]

It’s another form of manufacture and can never replace the stirrings of the human spirit. I’m not anti-machine, I just don’t believe humans are replaceable by machine especially for something as emotional as art.

[@aleckto28]

how do you think the 3d model was sculpted?

[@headhunter_4209]

Here’s the thing: using robots or any advanced tool doesn’t change the essence of art-it just changes how it gets made. Art has always evolved with the tools of the time, whether it's a brush, a chisel, or now, a robot. The artist’s emotions, vision, and creativity are still at the core. The robot’s role is just to help them get there. Saying robot-assisted sculpting is “manufacturing” misses a key point: manufacturing is about reproducing thousands of identical items, but here, a sculptor is using the robot for a one-off piece. The robot doesn’t create the art on its own; it just follows instructions, like a more precise, advanced version of an air-powered chisel. For example, the initial roughing-out of a statue is often done with tools like chainsaws and grinders now, and no one claims that this makes it less “art.” The real art happens in the vision, the detail work, and the finishing-the part that still needs a human hand. In fact, having the ability to work with more efficient tools can allow the artist to focus more on the nuances of their expression. They’re freed from the constraints of basic labor and can pour more into the details, textures, and emotional depth of the piece. Using a robot or a power tool just enables them to make that expression even more powerful and, if anything, lets them get closer to their original vision.

[@SSoul0]

@@aleckto28 a 3d model is far easier to sculpt than one cut from stone. You dont have many rooms for mistakes as you would on something like zbrush

[@Jim54_]

This would be great for making classical architecture cost effective

[@1stSuper_baby]

I totally agree but the result is an imitation of classic art. There’s nothing actually classic about it except that the style is copied and the whole point is defeated.

[@Jim54_]

@@1stSuper_baby neoclassical architecture is a style, not a period

[@taucalm]

@@1stSuper_baby we can always program some randomness to it.

[@chazzbranigaan9354]

Can it carve Wenis? I want the david with 500% Wenis

[@1stSuper_baby]

@ I was thinking a better analogy would be watching a video Cirque du Soleil? The result is known and only requires a single display of skill with a thousand copies.

[@1ring2rule3pigs]

Art : the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power. -Oxford dictionary

[@om7303]

The artist is what makes the art, without the hands of the artist this will never be anything more than an imitation used for commercial practices.

[@headhunter_4209]

you are so wrong its crazy

[@bennycarter5249]

@@headhunter_4209 While you may disagree with the definition of art, you can not deny that machines have been introduced to make the commodification of art easier.

[@bennycarter5249]

I believe that there is artistic effort put into the design of the 3D model and the final stages of the piece. However, I would not call their technique 'sculpture' in any traditional sense.

[@DakotaFord592]

This is not art!! The robot is doing the work!!

[@ShaneMcGrath.]

@@DakotaFord592 It soon will be though, When A.I. creates it on a computer and then the robot sculpts it.

[@mattwalton5001]

I respect both sides of this debate.

[@bennycarter5249]

Me too. I think they are arguing over two different techniques and therefore two different products, but since a human is the designer in both cases they are both art. At the root of the disagreement seems to be the inherent artistic value (if any) of the artist's blood, sweat and tears.

[@real_hello_kitty]

I don't respect the AI robo perspective. They are wasting unrenewable marble resources. It's not fair machine vs. unrenewable stones. If AI robo scuplt plastic or concrete, perhaps I don't mind. But marble? No.

[@JasonLarsen-t3v]

​@real_hello_kitty Better for that marble to become a robot sculpture than a kitchen counter.

[@real_hello_kitty]

@@JasonLarsen-t3v That is exactly my point. My house which was built in 2009 had a granite countertop. But more modern houses, that are built 2013 and newer, are no longer using granite or marble countertops, but the fake ones. Why? Because there are not enough marbles or granites. The demand is bigger than the supply. The robo sculptor will accelerate fast extortion of nature resources (marbles).

[@JasonLarsen-t3v]

@real_hello_kitty It's because of the price. Besides, nobody needs a marble counter top, it's a waste of marble.

[@jplully]

Making something with your own hands from a block of wood, stone, metal, clay.. to a work of art from scratch. It gives so much satisfaction, peace, respect, but also a healthy amount of stress, will it work etc.... and then if it succeeds.... you are the luckiest man on earth. Someone who does not engage in this kind of high skill ( daily) does not understand this and does not need to comment.

[@ThePipeiper]

‘’You can go too far if the cutter isn’t skillful enough.” That’s the point of the opposition. The skill it took from START to FINISH is a part of the art.

[@sawilliams]

"Sculpting is passion, robots are business"...that sums it all up.

[@John-du2mq]

The fine art world is money laundering.

[@fsing]

Remember, Michelangelo didn’t just whip up David, La Pietà, or the Sistine Chapel outta pure passion-he was hired by the Church to do the job, just like Da Vinci and a bunch of others back then. Gotta pay the bills, right? Sounds kinda like how things roll today, but faster and better, huh?

[@sawilliams]

@@fsing There is a lot of truth in your comment.

[@lazarusblackwell6988]

When cars and planes and rockets were invented,people didnt stop walking to where they want to go.

[@egx161]

Robo work is not art.

[@aleckto28]

how do you think the 3d model was sculpted?

[@djxcel23]

Robots are replacing humans little by little. But it’s our own fault.

[@NakedSageAstrology]

That's called progress my friend, eventually our goal should be to automate every job so that humans are no longer tools to be exploited.

[@golddmane]

@@NakedSageAstrology And then what? What do people do all day?

[@NakedSageAstrology]

@golddmane Why do we need to decide what people do all day? Perhaps this free Time will allow the humans to build healthy human relationships, bond with family and create non psychopathic humans for the future.

[@golddmane]

@@NakedSageAstrology The problem is that a life of excess pleasure and no responsibility quickly becomes meaningless. And now that it's clear that AI will be able to create art, people will feel completely unfulfilled. Every precedent we have for people who do zero work throughout their life is negative. Depression is already skyrocketing because of the internet. Imagine what it'll be like when it not only feels like one's own life has no purpose, but that the entire purpose of humanity has been made obsolete by AI.

[@NakedSageAstrology]

@golddmane The need for purpose is nothing more than ego. Humans will learn to bond with their peers and raise healthy human families, free of the current stresses and turmoils. Humans will have to look within for fulfillment.

[@schmiggidy]

A robotic waterjet is simply another tool ... like a pencil, marker, paintbrush or chisel. The artist's soul, passion and skill remains paramount.

[@RovexHD]

You’re not directly controlling the robot, the robot is pre programmed to carve the desired sculpture. Quite different from controlling manual or even power tools by hand.

[@datv3491]

It is completely different from using a tool. A tool is wielded by an artists or a craftsperson, their skill, talent, and personality passes through the tool and into whatever material they are manipulating. If they are sad on that day or happy or frustrated or tired..that feeling will change the way they work and leave its mark. There is no skill or technique or talent with these machines, no emotions or feelings being passed through from artist to material. The blood sweat and tears that used to go into making art is replaced by cold, unfeeling, automation while the "artist" just sits back and lets the robot do the work. It is soulless and it is cheating. Perhaps there is a use for this sort of thing in a commercial/industrial setting, but any so called artist should be ashamed to use this technology.

[@thegrunbeld6876]

Sculpting is passion and craftmanship, robots are just business and profit

[@johnbrooks4965]

Lol, because artists don't need to eat.

[@thegrunbeld6876]

​@johnbrooks4965 Corporates want more than a day's meal worth of penny. They will always want more. That's the difference.

[@candeaguilar]

Great way to learn the difference between an artist and an illustrator. Robots are able to produce illustrative work .

[@hayabusa27]

Will Smith: Can you create a masterpiece? Ai robot: I can now!

[@jerrymcpommes8473]

It’s funny how all the non-artistic ppl here defend AI.

[@ThadMiller1]

I cant see AI here.

[@LyubomirIko]

As an artist myself, traditional too, I am used to this at this point. They promise us that the robots will replace the boring jobs and give us time to pursue a creative job, but instead the creative field got replaced by robots and the artists should get a boring job. Its a massive societal treason no one asked for. Playing such games with the collective soul, society will become even more mercantile. When people complain modern art is bad, maybe they deserve this version of it anyway. Meanwhile they want to sold my impressionistic oil paintings for as cheap as possible.

[@fastindy]

@@LyubomirIko Just another chapter in the book titled "Humans Figuring Out They Are Not That Special".

[@LyubomirIko]

@@fastindy humans are indeed special, especially those who have gifts, cheering for their replacement as "nothing special" is psychopathic.

[@SSoul0]

@@fastindy We're pretty special if we have no other accounts of beings like us existing in the known universe. You are a one of a kind, it doesn't matter how many of us there are, you, yourself are fairly unique. From the elements composing you in this universe, you're fairly special. We were doing this before machines. They merely emulate what YOU are because your existence is a wonder of the universe. The day that is proved otherwise is the day you can claim that us as a species posses no special qualities.

[@bananapie2198]

As a "robot operator" (machinist), I can tell you, it might look like magic...but you have to have all the same skill and artistry and then add a layer of technology, programming, experience, and craftsmanship.

[@kimberlygill8212]

Right, it's a very different skill, yet mimicking a humans hard earned talents. Perhaps the robot can come up with its own art and the artists will feel like their art form is not being stollen from them and cheapening the artists ability.

[@kimberlygill8212]

I meant to say art form.

[@NotFromConcentrate]

@@kimberlygill8212 I appreciate your reply. I want to refine it and agree with the OP. AI generated art is a cheap stolen version of human hard earned talents. But there is tremendous skill and effort and talent in machining. To machine a statue out of marble like this, you need to have MOST of the skillsets of a sculptor that could do the same thing, and then you need to have entirely new skillsets for CAM, and then an entire new setup for 5 axis machining. You also need to do something that most other machinists aren't doing, and that's understanding speeds and feeds for marble, and understanding how the material works when removing it. And the thing about marble it seems to me as a layperson, is you can't just throw another block in the jig and hit run...marble has complex grains and hard and soft spots, so it really requires a sculptor to choose the marble and setup and the program. So really this is just a flex and a tech demo that doesn't replace actual artists.

[@mrskinner8473]

A I isn't new. This is how it was done then also and the perfect buildings 3d printed essentially

[@fifiladu2659]

I prefer that personal human touch; the love, the sweat, the thought, the artistry, the passion that makes art, art. Others can disagree, and that’s okay. I just think real art is very personal and very human.

[@akun10years10]

Gross😊

[@wakantanka802]

I see a comment sections full of geeks and non artistic wanna be artist talking about what Michelangelo would think. As an artist do a search on Michelangelo drawings, geekoids saying "Michelangelo" would love robo geek is like saying Beethoven would "Love" techno....I guess time and $$$ is more important than the soul in the evolution of greed and couch potatoes...

[@bluemamba5317]

Most people choose to cope with their head in the sand. But sooner or later the sand will be blown away, and they will see that nothing remains.

[@asciiavatar]

Those saying 'Michelangelo would be rolling in his grave' don't seem to have a problem with the heavy machinery and stone saws being used to mine the marble. If this was really about tradition, they would demand the marble be quarried using hammers and wedges and taken down the mountain on animal drawn sleds or wagons.

[@lifeofameji]

Apples & Orange bro.

[@rhystyr7489]

Obtuse comment

[@johnosam4681]

This is still art, the robot is just a new tool

[@FloofyTanker]

exactly!

[@5piecekit]

@johnosam4681 This is about business pure and simple. 💰💰💰

[@5piecekit]

@johnosam4681 No, this is business. Art is done by humans expressing their talents using their history, their fragility, their time, their dedication, years of developing craftsmanship. This is soulless and done only to make money quickly.

[@christopherbastas934]

Sweet. Can I get a marble fireplace surround for like $150. No labor costs involved. 😂

[@NakedSageAstrology]

The funny thing about capitalism is that even though they are producing 10 times more products at an incredible rate, their prices have not gone down.

[@hanavesela5884]

Art is always evolving. This is not the end of hand crafted statues this is a new field. Like with photography vs. painting.

[@LoveDGroove]

Im not hating on the idea, i think that just makes hand sculptures even more valuable! You will be getting a sculpture in which the artist was personally enveloped in.

[@marcuse423]

No field is off limits. Embrace and adapt. That is progress. It is evolution.

[@DetectiveTrupo203]

Yes, exactly.

[@BeLandscaped]

Both final products are amazing. At the end of the day, we appreciate the sculptures detail and the fact that they started out as part of the earth.

[@curtisevanschicago]

The value in fine art comes from romance. If a statue is hand chiseled by a master, but the marble comes from a quarry in Alabama, then the fantasy is shattered. Like limestone against concrete. No robot is replacing the mountains and history of Italy. ⚒️ Labhraíonn an chloch, éistimid.

[@orlandoml1979]

I am a 3d printing, Cnc machines expert, it’s BS to say humans still have to do 50 % of the work. The machine does it all once you tune the settings right. He just doesn’t want to admit he doesn’t have to sculpt anymore…

[@ChrisJones-hs6nj]

Not sure Michaleangelo would use a robit, he did use workers to do do a lot of the work for him.

[@williamlouie569]

Then there is no difference between lower level workers and the robots. They help the master in his works!

[@s.e.studios1386]

They had all the technology to body cast in the renaissance and didn't body cast so the idea that the way you make it wasn't important to them is not true.

[@MrMartinoef]

I think a lot of the great sculptors & artists had assistants & under studies. They would do the majority of the laborious carving & the named artist would finish the project off - these robots are just doing a bit more work than labour used to surely!

[@sunnaum]

the design IS the art form, someone has to make and program the machine. Even if it is programmed to create the design, someone has to create that program and that is pure art

[@charliem.8531]

thats ridicolous.. every program creator is an artist.. bro i guess ure sleeping..

[@rk1356]

That ticking at the beginning of the video always triggers memories of my childhood, on Sundays. My mom always made dinner and she would serve close to when 60 minutes was on. That program was the only one she would keep on while we ate. And I never understood why they showed that ticking clock. So the sound of it makes my brain go to Sunday nights at dinner. It’s so weird and yet bittersweet for my childhood.

[@MyFavoriteLine]

If we could bring back Michelangelo right now he might look at the robot and say "now THAT is a beautiful work of art".

[@cosmiclettuce]

don't despair -- there's room for everyone! Cheers!

[@leonardodalongisland]

Not in "Hand made art."

[@cosmiclettuce]

@@leonardodalongisland I disagree! Creativity is infinite! Art generated by Robo will be plentiful, replaceable, and inexpensive; and art generated by humans will be rare, cherished, and expensive. Room for everyone, no?

[@Palestineexists]

Resources are finite

[@leonardodalongisland]

@@cosmiclettuce Yep, "art" made by robots will be nothing more than cheap knock offs.

[@itzamia]

Sculptures created by humans are far more valuable and intriguing than anything a programmed robot can make.

[@sirmontag]

At the end of the day, it might be carved by a robot, but a human being still made the sculpture, just on a computer rather than using a clay model. As an artist, computer based sculpting is really nice compared to fiddling with oil clay. No mess, no doubt as to proportions, and you can undo something in the click of a button, where that might have been next to impossible with the clay model. My artistic vision is still the same, whether I express it through a computer or a clay model. It's just a new set of tools to work with.

[@bluemamba5317]

​@@sirmontag That is exactly what makes it valuable. Any idiot can make stuff using a computer. Using your hands, manipulating real life objects, takes skill and talent to do correctly.

[@ncollings1]

@@bluemamba5317 "Any idiot can make stuff using a computer" I am not sure you are familiar with what it takes to become a proficient digital sculpture / 3d artist. it is years of practice just like for traditional work.

[@sirmontag]

@@bluemamba5317 - Believe it or not, sculpting on a computer takes a great deal of expertise if you don't want something that looks like crud. It's the same set of skills, just in a different format. A foolish workman complains about the tools, what matters is the end result. If Michelangelo was around today, he'd take to digital sculpting like a duck to water.

[@OnigoroshiZero]

Not really.

[@supremacy2040]

“ holding on to an ancient “Imagined way”…to sculpture” I don’t know if using a method that’s been going for thousands of years is “imagined”. I guess it depends on what you value. Do you want a piece of art that’s made by a robot, or one that’s made by hand. I just hope the Robo isn’t charging more for work it does easily for work that takes decades of human skill to master.

[@NimrodTargaryen]

Do not worry, this is art and science merging ❤🎉

[@elhadjimalickdiop2695]

🤝

[@5piecekit]

No this is just business...

[@TEPMOBETEP]

Art is not about the form. It is about effort. That's why many people don't like AI art, or robot sculptures. Or even digital art. Intricate tools and technology make complicated form in art easily attainable-therefore make it less valuable. Photography is full on realism, you can't get more real then that, yet a good photo is never will be as valuable as good drawing. Art is not about end goal and not about how good it looks, and not about how many good looking things you can create in X less amount of time. Artist were poor, yet they always chased an idea, poured souls in the projects, years of effort. That is why it is valuable. Not just because there are less good art of those artists, but because it is about persistance. Lately i noticed, that i realy appreciate rough drawings, with broad strokes, almost chaotic, yet you can clearly see intended form. Faces with colorfull shadows, or profiles with just black on white canvas. Kinda expressive but readable. But robots... Nah, i want to see something created as soul food, not as just some 9to5 workload after robot did 95% of the work Don't get me wrong, let people work and have their bread, but that is not realy art. To fully illustrate my point, i would give a thought experiment. Imagine naturally born child of two loving parents with all imperfections, or child constructed and modified in the lab, created to be perfect with best genes, best everything. That lab child will be the biggest and best acheivement of science, of "art". Yet, can you call him trully human? Can you compare phisicaly and mentaly healthy child grown in a good family with the perfect lab grown child, who, possibly can't even get stressed, or feel weak at times? Like compare pre serum captain america and let's say vision. It is not the same art.

[@jordanyoung8184]

Yes its fundamentally about meaning