66 THOUSAND HOUR Samsung F2380 LCD monitor repair

[@EpicLPer]

If my calculations are right that panel was running around 8 years nonstop... Holy shit.

[@Ghozer]

About right, I have a HP 23xi as my main, it's on almost 23k hours, I use it almost daily for 6-10 hours per day, and I bought it in 2013

[@MIW_Renegade]

Colin Hadley I have a monitor that’s got 25K hours but it’s been on constantly (not including power outages) and I bought it Jan. 1st of 2013

[@Ghozer]

yeah, pretty much the same story, the only time mine's not on is when i'm asleep or out, even then it some times is... Other than obviously, like you said power outages, or if i'm moving it for cleaning, (or going to a LAN party, which It has been to a few) :D

[@MIW_Renegade]

Colin Hadley mine is on 24/7 if I’m sleeping it’s on if I’m at school or somewhere else it’s on

[@Ghozer]

You also have a few more hours than me, i'm actually on 22748 - so not quite 23, - this isn't a competition btw, I was just saying that his calculations sound about right, and you're just backing it up! :)

[@leberkassemmel]

The 66 Thousand hours make sense. In an industrial environment, nobody puts those monitors in standby. They run all the time. They are often mounted in a place very inconvenient to access (3 meters above the ground, or behind a safety fence). And judging by how a lot of companies have a lifetime of their production lines for around 8 years, it makes sense. It probably died pretty soon before it was replaced, or after it was replaced in storage. There are thousands of monitors out there with similar on-times, that just get thrown out.

[@televisionandcheese]

That monitor has been on for longer than some people on youtube have been alive !

[@DexterKDC]

My country's airport are still rocking a butt load of Samsung Industrial display for over 10 years now! (10 years anniversary a few days ago), yea industrial grade products sometime are the best...

[@station240]

66635 Hours = 7 years, 220 days, 35 hours (better part of 8 years) 1708 cycles = 39 hours average per cycle what is funny, the full numbers of days is 2775 days, which is 66600 hours, so it also has the "mark of the beast"

[@smurf___]

Considering it looks like this monitor came out in mid/late 2009 or thereabouts this monitor was almost never turned off. Impressive.

[@alfoncejean8826]

S Coles once every 39 hours wich Is kind of a lot for industrial stuff. or maybe it spent a few day flashing on and off.

[@alfoncejean8826]

S Coles ho and most of those hours were probably spent on that gui

[@twocvbloke]

7.6 years of continuous use on that monitor, that's been ridden hard for sure!! :S

[@stonent]

Ridden hard but put away dry as the caps on the board.

[@stonent]

The pixel shift is a nice feature, it discretely moves the image a few pixels every so often to cut down on burn in.

[@z00h]

The shit is so insignificant it does jack shit, based on personal experience.

[@FFcossag]

That likely does not work very well when you run a PC monitor at its native resolution, since you either lose pixels or scale the image horribly.

[@GraveUypo]

works fine for my plasma tv. bought in 2010, has a ton of hours in it and zero peromanent burn-in

[@DigBipper188]

You should run it for another 31 hours and get it up to 66,666 hours.

[@DragonProtector]

ya!

[@drivenhome7840]

Own one, still use it, it's been through hell, in a locker in the summer, in a car in the winter. It's very bright, I can still get it to go brighter. It's been awesome, it'll be awesome probably for another 10 years.

[@nerdywolfi]

Wow, interesting to see it actually having picture burn in....I thought this wasn't possible with LCDs, but I guess if it displayed that static image for years it's understandable.

[@tschuuuls486]

It's called image retention and can usually be rectified by showing different images. There are programs/videos to fix this. Not sure it will work on a extreme case like this, though.

[@FFcossag]

This is not image retention, but actual burn-in. IIRC, it happens because the LCD cells, after being driven in a specific way for a very long time will drift differently, so that the bias voltage on the panel driver no longer is correct. Don't quote me on this.

[@Ghozer]

Just as resistors loose resistance over time, and capacitors go faulty, and diodes tolerance reduces with age etc - an LCD's voltage bias changes with age, it's partly the pixels/crystal matrix, but also partly the wires that go to each pixel, as if they are held with a constant voltage, they will degrade slowly, and have a lower resistance, and will react with just the background ESD of the surrounding circuits.

[@MIW_Renegade]

nerdywolfi it does as I’ve got Homer Simpson’s face burned into my LCD TV

[@BilisNegra]

It seems to be possible, but it takes ages longer than it would on a CRT monitor

[@Darieee]

Pretty great noise floor on whatever you boosted that high !

[@FFcossag]

That'd be the internal mic on the 800D. It's not THAT impressive, because I use a set record level that's tuned for the lapel mic. The internal mic doesn't have a problem picking up audio in a setting like this, but it came out about 30 dB too quiet since the gain was wrong. That still leaves us a good 60 dB of dynamic range in the 16-bit recorded file to play with - a lot more than even the finest audiophile vinyl. ;)

[@Cheese_1337]

NO! IT'S VERY IMPRESSIVE!

[@rasz]

good candidate for LED backlight hack

[@jeffescortlx]

Yes exactly! LED conversation kits can be had reasonably on eBay.

[@jeffescortlx]

@PingasTheFourth but the CCFL isn't good. It's dim and red is over blown.

[@jeffescortlx]

@PingasTheFourth just because the CCFL is going out doesn't mean the LCD is going to go to.

[@Browningate]

We just recently got rid of an HP 17" 1280x1024 monitor dating back to the mid 2000s that had just a click under 50000 hours on it. The power supply got to be fairly noisy by the end, and the power light was so dim that one could barely see it, but the monitor itself was still running strong. I'm surprised it made it that far.

[@joinanomumous]

I have a Dell 17inch LCD at work with 70 to 80k hours of almost constant operation (and counting) and it still appears to be quite nice looking. Although brightness has noticeably lowered since i got it back from a customer with 48k or so hours, and with bulged capacitors, and the colors appear a bit dull and unconfigurable for the better. I also have a Dell 22" monitor at home which i resumed from the thrash bin at work, and it has "only" 40k or so hours but it's very reddish at startup for 20 seconds or so, and then becomes quite normal but it also has a lot of problems with brightness and color quality overall. Thou I do recall that these particular Dell CCFL-era monitors weren't very vividly colored when new either, as i was installing them for a customer back in the days (and sometimes secretly borrowed them to home at weekends :D).

[@ahtoshkaa]

Thank you for the video. My F2380 has been working fine all those years and just resently it's buttons started to malfunction. It still works just fine, it's just that the "Brightness" menu keeps poping up on its own. Came here to see if I could fix it. Mine worked for 14 years about 12 hours+ per day. So yeah, it's also clocks at around 50-60 thousand hours and the picture is still perfect.

[@SudosFTW]

My HP LP2465 is reaching the 57,000 hour mark... but the backlight only has 11,561 hours at this point. the backlight did get replaced at some point, it seems. (and I've only been running it at 40% brightness, so it should hopefully last a long while.)

[@Pasi123]

My HP LP1965 has about 25k hours

[@exquisitedark]

My friend has 12k hours

[@Soeborg88]

Darkn't stilln't uploadingn't that's a young friend you have; only 16 months old.

[@tronixfix]

The thing ran for 7 years and 6 months nonstop until it failed.

[@televisionandcheese]

If it was never turned off it would probably still be going without failure. (Other than if they turned it off at any point it wouldn't go back on)

[@stonent]

Samsung must have been the majority OEM for Dell for a number of years. Nearly every Samsung repair video looks just like a Dell inside. Also both Dell and Samsungs from a particular period would "boot" and say "Genesis Display Technology".

[@zx8401ztv]

Bloody hell!, that has done it's duty very well :-D So is the ccfl tubes the main reason for dimness? Might you throw some bright leds in for a laugh lol.

[@alfoncejean8826]

zx8401ztv retrofitting leds would be a pain in the ass. definitely not a economical viable fix. the main problem is the burn in that monitor will never be confortable to use anymore .

[@joinanomumous]

With PVA panel it might still be possible to get rid of that burn-in with playing fullscreen videos for an extended period on it and then displaying full white (or black because then all of the pixels are activated) image for a few hours, then repeat until ghost image disappears. I resurrected a 32" Samsung FullHD TV with this tactic, that had been showing a map for a office building for 4 years 24/7. It's perfect now.

[@MIW_Renegade]

zx8401ztv I’m surprised it’s lasted so long as it’s a Samsung

[@eduardoavila646]

SomeRandomGuyWithAChannelOnKZbin Why? Dont samsungs last long? I only have one samsung tv here, thay workes awmost nonstop, it has 5-6 years awready and i cant see any issues with it. The only thing that had issues was the remote, i had to ressolder it last week (the first and only ime tho). Well.. i gues i got lucky? Oh and how about lgs? I have a ultrawide lg monitor, are they good?

[@MIW_Renegade]

Eduardo Avila LG is great but I just have had lots of problems with Samsung where they only last maybe two months other than two of their TVs so I just dislike Samsung

[@keylock32]

how to get into that hours time menu?

[@Mortimer-vr1xn]

Hello, sorry to bother you after 4 years hihihi.. I got one of these the other day, it seemed to work fine, but now it's been going on and off with an horizontal white blitz for half a second, it does it every 5 seconds. It was working fine one night, until the laptop went in stand by maybe, not sure if that was the trigger. It doesn't do it if disconnected from the pc, it does it on two different computers. I tried to use different cables and ports.. hdmi, vga, with and without adapters. I have no idea what the problem can be. Even the menu works weird, sometimes it comes up, sometimes it doesn't, I was trying to reset the monitor, but no luck. For some reasons it had stopped doing it after I disabled it from the device manager and reinstalled the driver, no idea which sequence was successful though, but then again it lasted only a few hours. It had stopped also after I was playing with the menu a bit, then restarted going on and off. It doesn't actually do it while I click around the menu, although the menu comes up at its own wish at times. I hate to throw away stuff that still works or needs a bit of help, but I am out of ideas with my basic knowledge. Any clue? thanks a lot!!

[@JoneKone]

How do you get to the service menu?

[@FFcossag]

Google it, it's everywhere.

[@ForeverMan]

@FFcossag I understand that people can just google for that info, but since you're a channel about that you could've easily given a better answer... but anyway...

[@JoneKone]

I must be googling it wrong or .. something.. I just can't find out how.

[@ForeverMan]

JoneKone I googled *service menu samsung monitor* and the first video showed the exact same box...

[@cv3nda367]

Ive got one monitor that wont even turn on and I cant find any components that looks obviously burned, what it could be ?? also Ive got another monitor that one day just turned white, also no visible damage, it just happened during gaming, Ive tried to look it up for days but I no luck ... only if I could try to switch up the boards to find out more closely where could be the problem ...

[@FFcossag]

You just have to troubleshoot it, no one can tell you over the internet, sadly.

[@Napert]

so this monitor was turned on constantly from when it's launched to the date of the recording (over 7,5 YEARS) holy shit

[@HobkinBoi]

It may not be practical, but maybe you could find new tubes for it, or retrofit it with LED backlighting. Then run a program or play a video that cycles colors on the display. That might just get rid of most if not all the burn in on the display, as cycling the LCD's pixels can sometimes do the trick. It's probably been displaying nearly the same thing for 8 years anyway, so may be worth a shot.

[@FFcossag]

The backlight could definitely be fixed. I've never successfully seen LCD burn-in this bad fixed though, so I'm basically calling this monitor trashed. Way beyond economical repair.

[@HobkinBoi]

FFcossag makes sense. But still a neat find

[@ibrahimturan28]

what does it mean by 66635 hours on(7.6 years)? Does power off include I mean not power shut down but power off but light is burning?

[@FFcossag]

It seems to mean that the backlight was on.

[@swid]

I actually have the same moitor as my second, and it gets the job done well

[@TheBilaras97]

how is it a bad design if it lasted that long?

[@FFcossag]

I didn't know that when I took it apart. However, the multiple diodes in parallel is bad design no matter what.

[@DarkLinkAD]

Ive had my 50inch Samsung Plasma going 85-90% of the time, with backlite at max, for about 7 years or so now.

[@PaulaXism]

They certainly got their value for money out of that one.. oddly that is why I like Samsung gear.. it seems to last a very very long time.. like my old Syncmaster 750s crt monitor.. .. ran for 12 years without being powered down.. it's dim.. it's dull.. it's on my Duron 800 with xp :D

[@tschuuuls486]

Yup, I also have had good luck with Samsung stuff. We still run a 2005 Plasma TV that has been in daily use since day one. Runs a couple of hours per day. Have to check the hour count on that one if it has one. It's 43" or something and you have to pay for "HD" (1080i) broadcast here in Germany whereas SD is free, and the content they broadcast is of declining quality and with a ton of ADs anyways. Hence it wasn't replaced yet (okay the 250W power draw on white would probably justify upgrading :P)

[@televisionandcheese]

I have had bad luck with Samsungs, I have had two CCFL televisions, from 2007 and one from 2009, both have failed from the bad power supply killing the driver board. Also have a more modern 2013 1600x900 monitor, where the HDMI has never worked, and the panel came with two vertical lines not working... from factory ! :(

[@GraveUypo]

my oldest lcd is an acer whatever 19" that can do 75hz. 1440x900 resolution, bought in 2005. it's a really good monitor and i'm glad it's the one i bought back then. couldn't have been a better transition from crts to lcds at the time, literally. Everything else was 60hz and i just couldn't deal with 60hz because i was so used to 85 (1024x768) and 75hz (1280x960). it still works and i still use it at my office. it's a bit dim but still perfectly usable on a brightly lit room with a huge glass door to the balcony. on the opposite side of the room. the oldest computer screen i have from a computer that was mine is the 15" 1280x1024 flatscreen crt from my pentium 233mmx it still works but it's blurry AF and impossible to get in focus because the focus is uneven on different parts of the screen. unfortunately the screen from my very first computer (486 dx4) is long gone. that said i still have the screens from the office computers from when i was a toddler. there's a black-and-green screen, lol. also a couple others that used to be in the 286 and 386 they used there in the 80's and early 90's.

[@wisher21uk]

Vestel TVs have the timer in minutes lol some of them that come in for repair have only like 11 days in total use lol

[@chanakasat1]

Hi FFcossag, I actually bought a 17" version of the monitor (2nd hand for like 20$) for a retro gaming rig of mine. Like to know how you enable the service menu? Mine have a single dead pixel stuck on blue but colors looking OK :)

[@FFcossag]

You turn brightness and contrast to 0, and then you hold menu for 5 sec IIRC. It's googlable.

[@chanakasat1]

thanks!

[@chanakasat1]

Okay mine is mere ~450 hours :O

[@FFcossag]

How nice.

[@moen3249]

Does samsung monitors last over 3 years?

[@FFcossag]

Sometimes, sometimes not.

[@PileOfEmptyTapes]

The 191T I bought in April of 2003 still works fine, iffy DVI aside (apparently the inputs are not well-protected and have a tendency to get damaged when hotplugging, resulting in intermittent image dropouts). So it's on VGA, and after calibration it even has some decent color rendering. Mind you, that thing cost a pretty penny back then, so you do get what you pay for!

[@alexlockard8075]

Dang. And I thought the overwhelming red tint on my 2407wfp-hc was bad.

[@tigerelectronics5966]

Holy crap that thing has been on for a while!

[@filipvalentin5945]

That's about 7,58/7,60 years of continue work

[@mynameisray]

That isn't much.. I've still got a Sony Bravia TV from 2008 that has been in almost constant use.. It's probably got like 80,000 hours of in use time on it..

[@doktoruzo]

interesting video..thanks. Just out of interest, I cannot place your accent and I am curious to know where you are from? At first I thought I could hear a little South African??

[@dyter424]

He is from Aland, a Swedish-speaking region of Finland.

[@doktoruzo]

thanks...I couldn't place the accent and it was bothering me. I am usually quite good at identifying where people are from by their accents when speaking English.

[@FFcossag]

I call my accent "internetional". ;)

[@nacabaro3737]

My time capsule hard drive has 51 THOUSAND hours and still happy.

[@LND3947]

nacabaro What brand is the HDD inside of your Time Capsule, and do you access it very often or is it only used a few times a year?

[@nacabaro3737]

peter geary i access it for 1 hour daily and is a wd green

[@LND3947]

nacabaro WD Greens are usually the cheapest drives in the WD range, that's pretty damn good for a WD Green based on my experience (The only 2 WD Green drives I've had the pleasure of working with happened to both die within 2 years despite being rarely used and never moved about)

[@MrMiss-cp9bw]

I'm getting there. ST1000DM0003 sitting at 24916H with 653 power ons :)

[@GraveUypo]

my 500gb drive has 60k hours in it. best bang for my buck ever. I bought this back in 2007 i think, then just 3 months before its 5-years warranty expired, it broke and i rma'd it for the one i have currently, which is long past its 5 year warranty now. the first one was a 7200 rpm HDD and the replacement is just 5400, but i guess that helped it remain operational for longer so i'm not complaining. it's only for storing media anyway, i have faster drivers for other uses on my pc.

[@DragonProtector]

I sold an old dell crt monitor p1130 for $410 had it since 2002 sold it in 2018

[@okaravan]

It is probably possible to replace CCFL lamps with LED strips.

[@NurdRage777]

You should replace the CCFL with a led strip :D

[@alfoncejean8826]

I was currious if you could post a picture of the burn in gui?

[@FFcossag]

There's two pictures in the video, I'm not sure how visible they are after all compressions and recompressions.

[@alfoncejean8826]

FFcossag not really readable, plus I don't think we see the whole sreen a once

[@Timme9515]

lol. Anna from Angels with Scaly Wings as Background^^

[@FFcossag]

best dragon.

[@RyanCGames]

Just found about the game (and watched an entire playthrough)! Thanks for sharing, it's an amazing game! :D

[@Timme9515]

HyperStryker you're welcome^^ it's realy a good game.

[@memadmax69]

You know what, all samsungs suffered dim'ness from that era, I know, I had several.

[@FFcossag]

All monitors suffer this issue, it's the nature of backlight lamps - both CCFLs and LEDs.

[@MauriceNL1]

Probally used for live view of a CCTV system

[@FFcossag]

No, it was used for automation control. You can see the UI burnt in.

[@γιαννης-β1ε]

i have this monitor ( i buy 2009 i think ) working perfect

[@tchinounitchou]

I'l surprised because i didn't think tech-companies would make products last that long uselessly they put short life expectancy even if it's can last much longer like what they did with new models of washer machines and printers ...

[@silverwerewolf975]

I have my viewsonic since 2007 and still works like a charm... and i am a fucking vicious on gaming jejejejeje

[@MrMiss-cp9bw]

woah someone else is using aimp :O And here I felt so alone all this time lol

[@FFcossag]

AIMP3 will live forever.

[@dazombiekilla9990]

Holy fuck its Anna from Angels with Scaly Wings in the background.

[@dazombiekilla9990]

(good taste by the way)

[@FFcossag]

Anna best waifu.

[@dazombiekilla9990]

FFcossag IT IS LAW.

[@SeekerofTruth1]

Mins too is of a june 2010 i got 37k hours on mine.

[@audionut9974]

samsung displays are the best

[@TheHermitHacker]

Clean uninteruped power at a factory is my guess why it's lasted so long.

[@TheHermitHacker]

I just obtained a massive powed cleaning device for my new electronics workbench. It's a huge transformer made by topaz. Costed 1200 but I got it for 400 USD. Thing weighs 150lbs no joke. Where I live power is dirty and short brownouts. I have to clean the power going to sensitive electronics which include testing equipment which is carefully calibrated.

[@electronic7979]

Useful video

[@davidmc971]

Just imagine the amount of porn this monitor has witnessed. . . . . . . lol

[@DragonProtector]

9:08 ik that dragon i think lol or maybe i dont.

[@saarike]

Nice repair!

[@nebben5469]

if use as cctv monitor ,it will 24h running, i have 1 running 24h,9 years …still running.

[@craignehring]

interesting mega hour monitor Thanks for the video

[@maze42d]

FYI that's display has been running for 7,6067351598172 years

[@davidprice2861]

7.5 years roughly, not that much really. If you bought a tv wouldn't you expect 10 years.

[@Aleks6010]

that's the time it was on for, not the time that has passed since they bought it. 5 days passing after buying a monitor and 5 days of monitor run time is a huge difference

[@RikRikRikRikRikRik]

That background scaly...

[@FFcossag]

What about it?

[@RikRikRikRikRikRik]

FFcossag part of my comment got deleted, i just noticed the background from that graphic novel i think

[@FFcossag]

"Graphic novel" It's a furfag dating sim and I shamelessly enjoy it. Anna best waifu.

[@zorsenothorse]

overvolt the backlight, will look better :p

[@andremantovani]

ABB! 🤘🏼

[@codykamminga9667]

Thats nothing, i have a HP monitor with 83000 hours

[@GrulbGL]

This monitor turned off only due to energy falt lol.

[@DigitalYojimbo]

"LCD suffer burn in" pixel shift: off.

[@FFcossag]

It's off by default for a reason - you don't want to be moving the image around on a 1:1 mapped panel in a PC display.

[@robertpepperwolfe7256]

66635 hours is 7 years 7 months 7 days 11 hours

[@dorfschmidt4833]

24/7.

[@publicmail2]

7.6 years 24/7

[@Sfnafkwthdjwtwtj]

Windows Vista...

[@dyter424]

Windows 7.

[@ricky302v8]

How to youtube Step 1: Learn to pronounce words correctly, eg: 'samsing'

[@FFcossag]

Slamsug.

[@coshiro1]

Country: English :/ wut