6th Gen Future Fighters From China - US Fighter Pilots Take

[@aaant1984]

After a whole Christmas of pain, the Pentagon and American bloggers finally found a solution: 1. Modify the B21 to the 6th gen,including modifying WikiLeaks. 2. Degrade Chinese aircraft to the 5th or 4th gen. OK, the problem is perfectly solved. America leads again!😂

[@xwluo5124]

Also they said they want keeping peace with China.😂😂😂❤❤❤

[@晴天-x7r]

你是懂美国的！其实中美没必要对抗，中美合作更符合双方利益！两个超级大国之间合作可以解决全球很多问题！

[@wuhg2018]

真相伤人。我相信美国精英已经接收到了正确的消息，至于愚蠢的美国大众，他们无法面对让自己痛苦的真相。让美国大众保持愚蠢，这对中国是有利的。在所谓的民主制度下，正确的决策往往会被愚蠢的大众阻扰。

[@wuhg2018]

The truth hurts. I believe that the American elites have received the correct message, but as for the stupid American masses, they cannot face the painful truth. Keeping the American masses stupid is good for China. In the so-called democratic system, correct decisions are often blocked by the stupid masses. And the people in this video have contributed to this.

[@jackoneill28]

@@晴天-x7r 美爹唯一要解决的是世界霸主干不掉世界赵匡胤的问题，就问你如何合作解决？

[@davesthrowawayacc1162]

A reporter on MSNBC just went down the "it's clearly not stealth because we can see it" route to cope, and the "expert" they had on did nothing to correct her. Lmao the competency crisis is real

[@calneigbauer7542]

I mean the lower two intakes suggest it’s not that stealthy

[@dsfs17987]

dude, I don't even know who target audience of general news networks are, I'm afraid to talk to people about it because if they happily consume that content and are content, we're truly and utterly fked the only hope is that it is sort like russian state media, telling you anything, doesn't matter how unbelievable or believable, just so you can't get any real idea what is going on

[@tzolemenyun3982]

The MSNBC is correct, American 6 gen has invisible tech, no one can see it, it’s so tremendously good. 😂 lightyears better than the Chinese one.

[@LunaticTheCat]

What he means is that we can see that the design is clearly not stealth.

[@aidenchen1275]

@@LunaticTheCat people see visible spectrum but this expert can see RF and MW to tell if it is stealthy or not by naked eye 🤣

[@royxs7475]

When China creates something new, people always mock it. After a while, they couldn't laugh anymore. Like space station , EV cars , Unitree robdog B2-W and...........

[@babalonkie]

Robodog is not winning any wars...

[@johnlucas6683]

I mean if it entertains you, sure. You see what they want you to see. Boston Dynamics have shown their progress throughout the years. The unitree robodog vid looks impressive, but so hard not to see how it looks so similar to BD's Spot.

[@rogerlenton3335]

Exactly! Everyone mocked their space station because "we already did it", but by all measure it is indeed superior to the ISS and didn't take an international effort, and 20 years, to achieve.

[@royxs7475]

@@johnlucas6683 yeah,look similar, the performance maybe similar too

[@古德雍飛]

@@babalonkie Future wars

[@yumingsang4525]

No matter if you dislike it, criticize it, or look down on it, China will keep moving forward.

[@bobbysuazjFhvcfgh]

The dude in the bottom is making a face like he literally ate his moms crap 😂😂😂

[@jjhh1606]

Without its people, you are absolutely correct. How sad.

[@georgefenrirbitadze4757]

​@@jjhh1606what you mean without it's people? Quality of life here in china is way better then in united states

[@georgecooksey8216]

And keep stealing from the west until they are stopped.

[@TuanTran-h5f]

​@@jjhh1606America the perfect country. No problem at all in America

[@Bob10009]

“They’re still working on their 5th gen”. They have already built hundreds of J20, launched J35 for export and are developing it for their new carriers. To say that these new aircraft are nothing more than RC propaganda simply demonstrates why the US is falling behind. These aircraft may just be technologically demonstrators or prototypes but I guarantee they’ll be operational before NGAD.

[@johnsmith1953x]

NGAD is going to get cancelled. Its a total shytestorm of epicness.

[@NinjaRunningWild]

Well, that’s an easier task when you can steal tech rather than doing your own R&D.

[@slevinlindsay3624]

Exactly. Gotta accept reality before you can address the competition. These people would prefer to feed their ego and copium by talking down other countries and burying their head in the sand.

[@Someguy12796]

The j20 still uses rivets which entirely compromises stealth from all aspects and the j35 has very visible welding marks throughout the entire aircfrane making it also very viewable for even weak radars.

[@Someguy12796]

​​​@@slevinlindsay3624people said the same thing about Iraq as they were the 4th strongest military and climbing rapidly. Then they fell in a week.

[@SF7PAKISTAN]

Slight correction here, the aircraft referred to as the JH-XX/bomber is the supposed J-36 as per the serial number on the nose "36011", the J-20 on it's first flight also had the number "2001". My information from here on out is based on reports from Rick Joe and Rupprecht Deino. Both very credible and known PLA watchers. As per Rick the Chinese grapevine suggests that the larger 3 engined jet is being developed primarily as an A2A platform but no doubt it'll have multirole and strike capabilities too. Deino on the other hand references a podcast where a source in contact with the chief designer of the J-36 Wang Hiefeng was interviewed. The source details that the J-36 does not follow the classic designations of fighter, bomber and the like but that it is a totally different approach to air combat. The source even uses the term “air based cruiser” to define the jet. Major focus of the aircraft is power generation and long range, hence the size and the three engines. The power is supposed to be there for the myriad of subsystems the jet is going to have that are supposed to give it good EW and limited AWACS capabilities. That is why it does not have trick engines such as detonation engines or ramjets because they do not generate enough power for the jet. Furthermore, the engines are there to provide the power and that is why there is a Variable Cycle Engine (like the US’ ACE) that’ll power the production jet. Deino in another piece on twitter also references Yang Wei who states that the jet’s purpose is to break into contested airspaces which the current generation of stealth jets cannot punch, hence the designation of it being 6th gen. The bays on that thing seem to be perfectly sized for weapons in the PL-17 and PL-XX size class. It also seems to have cheek mounted radars and what seem to be two windows on either side of the cheek most likely housing FLIR, IRST or possibly even multi-Spectral targeting sensors. A set of two IRST or similar sensors will also allow it to generate on-board weapons grade triangulated tracks for targets completely passively. And another thing that doesn't make sense for it being a bombing/strike focused variant is the omission of a bottom facing window for a targeting system while the Shenyang design seems to have it. Another thing the Shenyang jet is rumored to have is foldable tails that are supposed to fold between a horizontal stabiliser position for increased stealth and a V-tail position for increased maneuverability. That and what seems to be moving wingtips which are supposed to act like conventional canards indicate that the Shenyang jet is a something closer to a traditional fighter. The two jets are from the two bigger aircraft corporations in China: Chengdu and Shenyang and while this might be a fly-off I think that both are ultimately going to enter service. Both companies already have 5th gen designs in service, the J-20 and the J-35 series respectively even though the predecessor to the J-35, the J-31 was the losing design in the fly-off with the J-20. What in my opinion seems different this time around is that both jets are focused on the opposing ends of the 6th gen design philosophy. The Chengdu design is more focused on stealth, BVR combat, long range strike and electronic warfare while the Shenyang design seems to be a traditional interpretation of what a fighter is supposed to be but in a 6th gen format. And it doesn't make sense to me that the Chinese will let something like a fly-off decide something that is going to be in their core 6th gen combat doctrine, hence my assumption that both fighters are going to be fielded with the Chengdu jet focused on long range targeting of strategic targets and larger formations while the Shenyang jet is for the down and dirty work and possibly carrier operations.

[@springbloom5940]

@@SF7PAKISTAN I strongly suspect the 36 is a drone/LM carrier. The next evolution, which is what a '6th Gen' weapon platform/package would be, is probably something like a cluster munition, but carrying small, AI driven semi/autonomous drones for long range delivery. Consider a cruise missile that delivers a swarm of drones that can independently seek targets over a 10km radius. Fly into the turret gap on a tank, or into the muzzle of a cannon, or land and mine an area, etc. This is exactly the kind of drone tech China has been researching for some time and is inevitable.

[@SF7PAKISTAN]

@@springbloom5940 I don't think that the internal bays are big enough for that, especially since there might be a structural element in the middle of the main bay dividing the space but yes it's almost certain that the J-36 will be controlling tons of drones and other CCA assets. That is in-fact one of the main ways the J-36 is speculated to penetrate and attack highly contested and defended spaces, whether it be by actively destroying the systems denying it entry or using long range drones and weapons to lessen its chances of detection

[@zhishiqiji]

best summary of this matter I've seen,detailed and unbiased which 95％ of the people on KZbin can't do

[@4411825]

Nice right up and far more informative than this program!

[@Kingzombiemyanmar]

imf loan papa johns london apartment and chill bro. polio for 95 percent

[@lilunchengsmiles]

RC planes? If this individual embodies the majority of air force pilots’ opinions, the United States is in serious trouble.

[@13christbane]

he was joking ffs

[@greg8106]

I guess that you have gotten to the sarcasm section of your English language classes?

[@JC.72]

Keep the jokes coming. it's gonna be all over Chinese social media.. a good and quick way to make yourself famous over there.

[@greg8106]

@@JC.72 umm, cool? Apparently you don't see the irony in the accusations of underestimating the Chinese as you warn the Chinese will use the jokes from a couple retired fighter pilots on a podcast looking at a grainy 3 second video to paint the entire USAF as uniformed.

[@lilunchengsmiles]

@@greg8106 Haha, you just noticed his serious facial expression. He’s not joking. 😅

[@호롱방]

중국은 저영상의 3사람같은 사람이 미국에 많아지길 기도할것이다 영상의 사람이 미국에 많아질수록 오히려 중국이 더 기뻐할것이다

[@JC.72]

I don't even think they care anymore.

[@ragedmayhem1]

China tech is trash 😂 just keep trying to copy American tech 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Zhujac]

@@ragedmayhem1 truth hurts, evil spread lie and hate.

[@AntonioSantos-tp2tk]

​@@ragedmayhem1continuem com essa arrogância, a China agradece

[@dextermorgan1]

​@@ragedmayhem1Typical, uneducated American response. Please shut up. It's ignorant as hell to not take your enemies seriously.

[@dante9192]

Next gen or not, China is moving forward, and we may joke about how dumb they are. The reality is they are consistent. Yeas from now, we might be questioning ourselves “what happened”?

[@Thatswildpimp]

thier econmy is currently collapsing

[@vp6087]

what happened? west and ussr give china all tech for free

[@hallo84]

@@Thatswildpimp Collapsing at 5% GDP growth? Europe would be shitting themselves if they had 5% growth.

[@DotaBillfuc]

@@Thatswildpimpwhat are you talking about? Chinese economy collapsed 20 years ago.

[@winfredcoorengel7203]

Typical western talking points 😂😂​@@vp6087

[@amunra5330]

Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance.

[@UniversalPlaysPage]

Remember the j-11s first kill was its own pilot... Engines dont work and they are still fucking 30 years behind.... anyone can copy a shape of a plane its whats on the inside that counts.

[@ZxZ239]

Still at stage 1, what I find interesting is that when it come to China, US move from state 1 to stage 5 and skip everything in between. It wasn't long ago that China = Africa level poverty to today China = world class infrastructure.

[@Spouwmuur]

Or DABDA, for friends.

[@seancopley499]

especially since there are 1200 f-35s built already and 1 test prototype of this shtick LMFAO

[@hurrikkkanes2533]

@@seancopley499 all in pacific?

[@是去苦多]

身为一个中国人，我非常明确地告诉你，视频里的三个人在美国越多，我们越开心😊我们中国很弱小，不要看我们，你们应该紧盯着印度这个已经被确认为超级大国的政权❤谢谢你哦😮～我们还是非常弱小的发展中国家😊

[@ra71m16]

😂😂😂

[@yiquny]

问题是他们真实想法跟说出来的完全相反。说出来的只是为了给大众鼓气

[@cljesseng1716]

😂 agree

[@cheney9614]

别天天 在外网高潮抖机灵了。。美国很弱？？？😅

[@说轮子好的自己全家去]

同意 这就是换壳的j10 鉴定完毕 3代机都不如 大家大可放心

[@directxxxx71]

Don't worry, US will show its 6th generation stealth fighters in the upcoming Top Gun movie 🍿😂😂

[@paulcabinatan2390]

@@directxxxx71 if we showed you, then it’s already old tech.

[@johnsmith1953x]

@@paulcabinatan2390 Like these new China jets? LOL!

[@ryanjuguilon213]

Lol. Cant ecen get the congress to agree to peint the money. A few month and americunts would be treated to samw old drama of raisingcthe debt cieling. Frankly thw rest of the world should refuse to lend the US money. #1 GDP right? And broke with inly their milirary to strong-arm natiins to use the USD as reserve currency. That is not a REAL economy, but a ponzi scheme

[@UCantSeeemeee]

​@@johnsmith1953xchina did in real while America in reel

[@johnsmith1953x]

@@UCantSeeemeee Noice! These "Airmen" (actually they are CLOWNS) know nothing. There are NO NGADS developed. At all. Zero. Zilch.

[@benabka]

China didn't go for steam catapults on their carriers, they jumped straight to electromagnetic. might be the same approach for their future fighters/bombers.

[@mururoa7024]

Yeah, and they're still trying to get them to work. 😉

[@GM-xk1nw]

@@mururoa7024 Don't talk out of your bottom

[@azure4100]

Meanwhile US still trying to make Zumwalt work.

[@DB5652-v3r]

@@mururoa7024 you are confused about genders

[@MA2-o2l]

It's easy to jump ahead with new technologies when 90+% of your technologies is stolen from others. When the Chinese do not have to spend all of the R&D costs like other nations do and just steal pretty much everything, it's easier to jump ahead.

[@theredbar-cross8515]

The PLAAF did confirm both aircraft. They did so in a tongue in cheek way by posting a seemingly random picture of a swallow next to a picture of a triangular leaf. The leaf is an obvious reference to the Chengdu model and the swallow represented the Shenyang model.

[@JinKee]

I wonder if it’s a boeing vs lockheed thing where only one will be produced?

[@SF7PAKISTAN]

@@JinKee Highly unlikely to me. Both jets are on the completely different ends of the 6th gen design philosophy and would require completely different doctrines if only one was fielded. Also it's improbable that two companies would develop such different machines for the same requirement. Both of them are entering service most likely

[@sidharthcs2110]

What was the average velocity of the swallow ?

[@theredbar-cross8515]

@@JinKee No, the two designs are clearly meant for different roles. Both will be adopted into service in 2 to 4 years (the J-35 took 2 years between losing the yellow prototype paint and formal introduction).

[@dyong888]

Significance lost on the yankees...

[@NationChosenByGod]

The US never flew an NGAD.

[@GTFO_0]

They did i sqw in the movies

[@28ebdh3udnav]

At least that's what they want you to believe

[@ezratorr4996]

they did, tomcruise flew it😅

[@lijackson-x6r]

didn't you watch Top gun?

[@tzolemenyun3982]

They did, it’s invisible.😂

[@MrCastodian]

A classic American “expert” analyst with its classic comment section, 100% mocking, coping and bs. You will eat this up one time or another.

[@Thatswildpimp]

cry more booohoo

[@paulcabinatan2390]

Just put the egg rolls in the bag dude…

[@Member00101]

Yet you seem to think that these are 6th gen just because of the way they look. That doesn't make them 6th gen. These could be Cessna's with a skin and some loud engines strapped to them for all you know. You also don't know what the US has that hasn't even been shown off yet. Most of the time China does this its for propaganda. You keep being a fanboy though. With your all mighty "expert" knowledge.

[@superskullmaster]

@Member00101 I’m not a fanboy but I don’t believe 😢among them for granted is ideal. Look how fast they developed the 5th gen jets and look how fast their space program has been progressing.

[@paulcabinatan2390]

@@MrCastodian you’re also talking about the same China who got fooled by Top Gun movie props 🤣

[@mastergecko1178]

The 2nd model engine exhaust is smoking because they don’t usually put the newest untested engine in there during test flights, they use the tried and tested older engines to insure lower margin for error and make maintenance easier

[@codedlogic]

Tried and tested engines don't smoke

[@terry1708]

watch TOP GUN again, you will see smoking too

[@codedlogic]

@@terry1708 Top Gun is a movie. Not a weapons development program.

[@dillonhatfield7724]

Even if it isn’t there “top/best” engine…it shouldn’t be smoking lol. It’s 2024, not 1954

[@GTFO_0]

​@@dillonhatfield7724😂f22 smokes( yett the mighty balloon killa isthe best jet of all time

[@Ginyiwei]

Denial ✅ Anger Bargaining Frustration Acceptance

[@Thatswildpimp]

its junk like all things from there

[@Ginyiwei]

@@Thatswildpimp Denial ✅

[@sage12389]

😂

[@sage12389]

The western are good at denial 😂 they sound stupid to me 😂😂😂😂😂

[@JC.72]

​@@Ginyiweiit's like come come come take your seat lmao

[@chadbernard2641]

Lol, I love how US pilots act like the F-22 doesn't kick out smoke. And "we have been flying NGAD since 2019" that is also dishonest. They flew a demonstrator without sensor or radar of all the other stuff. NGAD best case scenario is around 5-7 years away if they started today. More likely 10+. By then the Chinese will have well over 100+ of each of these fighters. These are not first time flights and theses are not raw prototypes, if they were they would be yellow as all Chinese early prototypes are. These fighters are grey which means they are well past early tests. These will be in production especially the J-36 within next 2-3 years tops.

[@anotherbacklog]

The Chinese planes are definitely not stealthy since you can see them. The NGAD on the other hand is so stealthy, no one has ever seen it.

[@ragedmayhem1]

It doesn't

[@wilson4328]

Okay Comrade.

[@Cerbium]

Do the Chinese think making bot accounts with very stereotypical American sounding names will make them more believable or something? It's actually quite sad they had to make a whole bot/spam campaign for these aircraft on American websites. Let the aircraft speak for themselves when/if they enter service.

[@chadbernard2641]

@Cerbium Lol, telling truth in America makes you a bot now. Try and do some fact checking before you speak.

[@domokun845]

So what is really cool that people don't see on the second plane is that the tailfins (verticle stabilizers) actuate and lie flat when in stealth mode and go up when they need manuverability. Really smart design. There are some good mock-ups online. Edit: clarified my post since it seems some people might be confusing what I meant by tailfins with elevons

[@henreator]

These guys are clowns. Their lack of knowledge is entertaining though.

[@SoloRenegade]

seriously? copying the B-2 from how many decades ago?

[@domokun845]

@@SoloRenegade The B-2 is a completely different class of plane and mission profile. What you're saying doesn't even make sense. The B2 also does not have actuating tainfins or aka vertical stabilizers that lay flat and go upright for manuverability, it has elevons. You may be misunderstanding my point entirely.

[@SoloRenegade]

@@domokun845 "You may be misunderstanding my point entirely. " because you have no point. you're spouting BS. "The B2 also does not have actuating tainfins or aka vertical stabilizers that lay flat and go upright for manuverability, it has elevons." neither does any Chinese jet in existence have such retracting vertical fins. "The B-2 is a completely different class of plane and mission profile. What you're saying doesn't even make sense." clearly you missed the whole point entirely....

[@domokun845]

@SoloRenegade I never said retracting, they lie flat they do not retract. However, you seem like you're more interested in winning some perceieved slight I've made against your ego than learning, so, I'm going to end our interaction here. Good day.

[@keetabbodcast]

You are trying to make your own happiness , glory China from Saudi Arabia 🇸🇦

[@sunnywu2464]

Three guys laughing and peering China technology. I hope their defense department also think like these guys : laugh at China at a war.

[@SAMMIEJONESJUNIOR]

Here is the issue we flew and tested fighter like this before 2020 and like always we don't dance our technology in front of the world for likes and bragging rights. These are no baseless repeated words. There are a ton of historical examples. We have flows all types of test planes. Even in these videos you don't see this plane doing any spectacular stunts or performing any high end maneuvers. At this point tell me what the difference is between this plane and the b21.

[@xianglei-ep4uh]

@@SAMMIEJONESJUNIOR 我不知道他先进性在哪里，我也不是专业人士，他可能不是六代机，也不是五代机，甚至只是个四代机，我只知道他可能比J20S强那么一点，有这点基本就够了。也有可能他是个烟雾弹，希望你们同我们的国家一起加入军备竞赛中，问题是，你们参与还是不参与，这个估计美国五角大楼可能都有点头疼？哈哈，这就是中国人的之处，是吧，来自中国的爱。

[@mabvutophiri5422]

Most American citizens are on drugs so we don't know what they are smoking

[@aidenchen1275]

@@SAMMIEJONESJUNIOR "don't dance our technology in front of the world for likes and bragging rights", meanwhile spam B21 test flight news and call it 6th gen fighter 🤣

[@jrylei]

@@SAMMIEJONESJUNIOR "don't dance our technology in front of the world for likes and bragging rights", I think you forgot how F-22 and F-35 introduced to the world first time. stop being double standards and face the reality.

[@johnwhoo6194]

The laugh and mocking are signs of subconscious panic.

[@13christbane]

or it's a fucking entertainment podcast. why so serious?

[@michaelngan99]

@@13christbane "or it's a fucking entertainment podcast. " for the rednecks who will stuck in the DENIAL stage of PAIN coping for a looonnng time to come.

[@12what34the]

These guys are all retired military, they are only spectators like the rest of us at this point, but they have some humorous, informed perspective and joke around because it's all they can do. They are like Statler and Waldorf from the Muppets (in trio form...or Mover's some kinda straight man third wheel 😄) - and if you don't get the reference, you're either too young, or too foreign to appreciate the cultural reference. Think on your life experience and I feel you can appreciate that this life/world is utterly absurd in how it plays out, you can laugh or you can cry, so you might as well have a laugh

[@larryc1616]

True 🤭

[@orangutan4696]

Please have some love for these 3, it is not just hard to face reality, it hurt.

[@jjhh1606]

The reality that China has no military combat experience with any Gen 3 4 5 6 units. Yes. Sad and hard to face the truth living in China. Welcome to the west where you're free to hear and see the truth. Enjoy it while you circumvent your own countries censors. :)

[@larryc1616]

They can't cope so they use insults and mocking. 😂

[@Voxabonable]

Denial is normal human behavior. But the more you sneer at your Chinese peers, the more it feels like watching those demagogic military channels from India. You should hold a higher standard than those, because you can.

[@清德賴-v7q]

这三个。是美国的聪明人。。他们说的很好。说的很对。。我赞扬他们。 果然。美国是强大的国家🤗🤗

[@Benny-tx5qd]

國家展示就是威懾西方，忽悠局同事可放一放假😆

[@大河-u1z]

没想到美国佬会变成三哥。

[@chileaugalexlee2676]

If they can built Electric cars that beats Tesla, I am sure they car built fighter jets that will match US fighter jets!

[@fuzail760]

And Tesla is your gold standard? What is marvelous engineering involved in an EV? A DC motor with a battery? And neither the motor nor the battery is made by Tesla, at least not all of them even after new giga-factories of Germany producing some batteries and motors.

[@mikeli9812]

Tesla has not been the best electric car in China for a long time.

[@hkfoo3333]

LOL... all in denial . while the US NGAD is put on hold , China is testing their 6th gen. China two years behind? ahahahaha . . the latest J35 with its mach 2.2 supercruise can flying rings aound the F35 which can only do 1.6 at most for two minutes with after burner. More other better features... that is 5th gen. Chinese 6th gen ? it is a walkover ..

[@Legalizeasbestos]

Mach 2.2 super cruise?? Where the hell did you pull that out of your ass? You’re saying Mach 2.2 without Afterburner? On a plane they small? Science fiction.

[@PollySantos-h1m]

Are you chinese? Why so hurt?

[@JarrodFLif3r]

The reason why we don't make Mach 2+ fighters anymore is it was deemed unnecessary. Dogfights don't happen at those speeds, the jets can not sustain that speed for very long and burn so much fuel doing it that they will be out of gas before they can attack. The F-35 was not meant to be a dogfighter besides, it was meant to see the threat way before the threat sees them and take them down from over the horizon. The J35 would get smoked by the F-22 in a 1v1 scenario besides. Superior maneuverability and weapons are much more important than going Mach 2 for a few minutes.

[@Legalizeasbestos]

@ actually I think it’s even simpler. You don’t need to go Mach 2 when your missile is going Mach 3 and 150 miles already. When missile range really needed a big boost from the jet this made sense but nowadays I believe it’s so much easier to have the missile do the majority of the work.

[@jxmai7687]

@@Legalizeasbestos No, how about you want to get out the missile range follow you or catch up put others in your missile range, then you need that extra speed.

[@正咖]

The Americans want to build a flyable sixth - generation fighter? First, build a large - scale wind tunnel. Otherwise, their sixth - generation fighter will only make its maiden flight in the 3D digital world, just like they claimed in 2020.

[@Thatswildpimp]

China's economy is Currently collapsing

[@ruixi-qi3sv]

​@@MGZetta😂

[@averyswarthout6428]

Fighter pilots pretending to know about aircraft design lol. The double delta on the big girl is a clear choice for multi role capability

[@cspdx11]

They are definitely not aerospace engineers. Just driving someone else's creation

[@averyswarthout6428]

@ Having a PhD in aerodynamics myself I can assure all people reading this comment that there is no technical evidence to support these claims 😂

[@larryc1616]

On another channel, an old F16 pilot was mocking the J36 for not having guns in a VR fight. 😂

[@springbloom5940]

People should remember that its a Chinese philosopher they alway quote about underestimating a foe.

[@Thatswildpimp]

china is a paper tiger

[@hkfoo3333]

@@Thatswildpimp hahahaaahh paper tiger. You dont even have the paper. Still in drawing board and PPT. This paper tiger is flying for real ... truth hurts does it not?

[@paulcabinatan2390]

@@hkfoo3333our 6th Gen has flown…just because you didn’t see it.

[@vp6087]

@@hkfoo3333 It's flying with 60 years old Ukranian design Al-31 😂😂😂 China cant even produce civil thing close to A-380, you're talking gabout 6th gen bots

[@springbloom5940]

@@paulcabinatan2390 Of, course, cause 'Muruca. Tell us all about the US 6th gen we have flying?

[@SolaceEasy]

I'm a minute and a half in and I don't know how many times I have heard you guys say I don't know.

[@Mo_Hamd72]

These idiots must be disconnected from reality.

[@slevinlindsay3624]

Cognitive dissonance when can't cope.

[@adam68756]

😂😂 most yankee like this

[@marcinm2871]

ohh look its the jihadi magic donkey to the moon type chiming in.

[@ChenChen-yp5zq]

I taste some salt 😂

[@Thatswildpimp]

From you?

[@Thatswildpimp]

we are laughing at you

[@Wvk5zc]

​@@Thatswildpimp I am laughing at you

[@caindarin9665]

You sure that's not MSG?

[@ragedmayhem1]

​@@Wvk5zcwe are laughing at china's fake 5th and 6th gen tech 😂

[@kevinh8516]

Pilots’ opinions on aircraft design are not expert opinions, at least in a legal evidential sense. We are all experienced drivers but our opinions on future cars are not expert knowledge in automotive design.

[@cspdx11]

Good analogy

[@markhunt5019]

China just flew their new stealth bomber, the H-20. That 3 new stealth planes in less than 2 weeks. And, for some of those who check these things, the JH-XX which flew a week ago, had a production number visible on it, and was without the prototype paint that the chinese often use. Any notion that these planes are 5 years off from mass production is nonsense.

[@GaryMonday-kr7it]

I'm not a fan of China, but I like these planes. Wow

[@MarvinChenFantasy]

You don't have it better, whatever you fly, there're China parts in it.

[@SimonCU]

thats what China wants you to think.

[@ruixi-qi3sv]

Just like f35, f35 will deliver more than 00 in 2024 due to being countered....😂😂

[@dragonmares59110]

No matter if they are good, what should worry people is Europe unability to produce anything new when it comes to fighters

[@wolfmanjackxl1691]

What are you talking about? France and Germany are developing one 6th gen fighter and Great Britain, Spain and Japan are doing the same. Sweden sure as hell is working on a successor of the Gripen.

[@babalonkie]

@@wolfmanjackxl1691 What worries me more is people rushing trying to be "first"... That's how mistakes are made... it's also how others learn from such mistakes...

[@LetsGoUSA]

😂😂😂😂😂😂​@@wolfmanjackxl1691

[@adam68756]

@@wolfmanjackxl1691 lol, europe is a joke on kid table

[@Scheisse1y]

To be honest, the F-35 pretty much nuked the majority of European military aviation industry. They haven’t really fully developed a jet comparable to the 5th gen standard. Typhoon was good but nowhere close.

[@newworldorder9891]

Sour grapes. More innovations to come to shock the world.

[@gacha_lion8]

I’m here for the salty comments 😂

[@Kingzombiemyanmar]

moskava class submarine?

[@torbai]

me too

[@ragedmayhem1]

Chinese lovers very salty about their fake plane 😂

[@SamuHell782]

Is Szechuan sauce salty?

[@aidenchen1275]

@@SamuHell782 ketchup salt

[@antwango]

you know what this means!!!? we're gonna get TopGun3 and Maverick takes on invisible jets blindfolded in a tomcat!!!!

[@lijackson-x6r]

Based on the videos and pictures from the first flight, the key capabilities of the J-36 were analyzed. It is not difficult to find that the design of the J-36 revolves around key capabilities that only sixth-generation aircraft have, such as long-range voyages, stealth, mobility, weapon mounting, sensor fusion and electronic countermeasures. In terms of aerodynamic design, the J-36 adopts a wing-body integrated lift body design. This design significantly optimizes lift efficiency, reduces airflow interference, and increases the lift coefficient . The sweep angle can improves the efficiency of supersonic flight while effectively reduces flight resistance. The lift-to-drag ratio at subsonic speeds has increased by 15% to 30%, which means that the J-36's fuel economy during flight has been significantly improved, ensuring its long-term flight. J-36. looks being equipped with three engines. The geometric stealth design is the basis of the J-36's stealth capability. She adopts a prismatic stealth shape, which effectively reduces radar reflection. The innovative tailless delta wing configuration also reduces the radar reflection area and further enhances the stealth effect. She is equipped with distributed optical sensors, and uses a composite RF active aperture in the nose. These designs ensure low interceptability of multi-network converged communications and improve stealth capabilities. In terms of flight control stealth strategy, the J-36 achieves multi-dimensional attitude adjustment through fine control of 13 flaperons and a highly statically unstable design, reducing unnecessary wing surface activities and maneuvering exposure. The tailless delta wing configuration is adopted to further optimize hypersonic maneuverability. The control strategy of the 13 flaperons is an aerodynamic master and extremely simple, which allows the aircraft to accurately control the flight attitude and respond quickly to various flight conditions. The highly statically unstable design improves maneuver

[@iupring]

To be precise, these two fighters are making their first public test flights. They are painted grey, not yellow, which means they are about to be mass-produced.

[@hahackl1]

Gonky is like, “Come on, guys, let’s be serious about this before it is too late…” but the other two hosts keep ignoring him😂

[@dsfs17987]

imagine how russian mil aviation are when they see this, just recently bringing over the T-50 to China to show off, and then China rolls these out... they must have been like - alright, alright, but you are still interested in our oil, right? we got other minerals also!

[@호롱방]

역사도 200년박에 안되는미국이 언제부터 세계최강국 되었다고 중국은 2000년전부터 세계최강선진국이었다

[@viperkaiyu6384]

東北亞三國如果能夠團結合作，會是世界上最強大的一個地區。

[@호롱방]

@@viperkaiyu6384 중국이랑협력하기싫습니다 한국인들은중국인싫어합니다 오히려일본문화가발전되고 일본인이 세련되어서 일본을더좋아합니다

[@SHine_REvolver_CN]

The future trend is that the Asian continent will form a powerful alliance, and Europe and America will return to their rightful positions.

[@zen-mc4ju]

Americans dominated the world for only 30 years, a generation. This record is even shorter than that of the Mongol Empire.

[@호롱방]

@@zen-mc4ju 세계를지배..? 이런마인드가 식민지제국주의 발상생각이다 힘이있는 나라일수록 보스가아닌 리더가 되어야된다

[@TK199999]

The consensus now is the big plane is a strike bomber, basically China's answer to B-21. The smaller plane is actually China's answer to the current project by that one small plane company. That created a loyal wingman sized stealth fighter, but for testing purposes its manned. But the test regime with it manned have turn out so well that Pentagon have added funding to the program. To see if it can function as true cheaper alternative with a limited mission set, ie an actual high low mix like the F-22 and F-35 were supposed to be. Its not a knock on China, who is probably seeing the need for at least a stealth strike bomber. Along with the same cost and availability issues with its 5th gen stealth planes that its seeking its own cheaper true high low mix.

[@canismajoris3910]

Denial and coping are strong defensive mechanisms. But if Americans cannot digest and comprehend what is going on after that many days of reveal and take the Chinese seriously then all is lost. Hope we just dont sleep walk into nuclear war.

[@johnsmith1953x]

Unfortunately, a nuclear war is now inevitable with Trump. The funny this is the poorest people ($1 BILLION) think they can survie a full scale nuclear+biochemical+EMP+chemical+AI+sub-zero temerature+NO FOOD for a thousand years.

[@slevinlindsay3624]

China is not a war-mongerer like westerners, so there's that.

[@albertcadgame8314]

It is strange - When US displayed or do test flight their new jet-fighter of any generation, people in China never made this kind of video. But when China did this, a lot of US youtuber do this kind of video.

[@加拿大の下饭菜]

作为一个中国人 大家不要害怕 这个就是刚研发的五代机 连测试都没测试全，什么j20 j35其实就是看起来好看的四代机。大家不要害怕

[@umazjalal1]

😂😂 watching Vlog give a feeling if you can not compete with them just discredit them America is in denial 😂😂😂😂

[@michaelwu9450]

They’re actual pilots and aviators who actually served and have meaningful words.. while you are an armchair warrior with zero productive input. Shut up and listen to them, or go to a CCP circle jerk blog and bathe in your own delusions there.

[@TrionityIr]

I haven't found any western video on youtube offer an objective view of these fighters. It's all just coping. All of them.

[@marcinm2871]

its a demonstrator experimental prototype at best. With no info of what the fuck its mission is to be. What cope buddy, US flew wingless similar looking craft in the mid 90s. The YF23 is mode capable then any aircraft in service today if stealth is concerned.

[@evilleader1991]

M 7 millennium youtuber usually is pretty objective.

[@picardtseng]

There is another low resolution image of the Shenyang's prototype (the smaller one) from its back, Looks like something called "variable tail" that be tailess in lower position and be V-tail as raising.

[@JC.72]

Why do u sound more professional than the professionals...

[@Hyperus]

I could only find one pic of the rear where it looks more like a reflection, possibly from a more shiny coating, than a moving tail. If it is movable, its a very tiny section. I personally think a lot of the reconstructions don't even remotely match the pictures.

[@13christbane]

so many people on here acting like this was supposed to be a super serious podcast. it's 3 pilots talking shit and a bunch of dudes in the comments cut and pasting things that they think make them look smart. fucking relax and enjoy the humor.

[@GTFO_0]

They are clearly coping except that tom guy😂he seems havin fun only abov room iq dude over there

[@ptm3993]

They are acting not so serious, but in reality this is exactly what they think deep inside.

[@slevinlindsay3624]

It's because the anti-china trope and downplaying China is so rife and rampant in the west. You wouldn't expect anything else.

[@davidwilliams9302]

Regarding the big chunky boy. One of the reasons that Raptor can fly so high is the thrust vectoring and differential thrust can give in maneuverability at very high altitude. So it may intend intercept from very high altitude.

[@AverageGuy916]

Dang... these American boys are coping hard...

[@moss550]

The key point about 076 LHA is Fat Amy didn't have to be fat. If they just install catapults on the America class, there would be no need for VTOL and all the compromises and compatibility issues on the A and C model. 😅

[@ypw510]

That was nonnegotiable for the USMC and several export customers.

[@dearcoolz]

I remember elon laughing at byd. Laugh no more tesla 😅😂

[@AlvinYap510]

6:10 "They name number up eventhough it's one behind" lol Good continue to think so, you better convince DoD to think so too

[@HAONaga]

US netizens be like we already flew a decades ago. We secretly observing their moves, we are way ahead in technologies. 😂😅

[@mountedpatrolman]

We need a 2025 FireFox remake of Gonky and Mover stealing these two Chinese Airplanes and being forced to think in mandarin.

[@LeifSöderman-d1n]

The 3 engine plane could be a Ramjet with airintake on the top of the airplane, just a thought.

[@jxmai7687]

also that plane may could fly unmanded.

[@larryc1616]

It is a ramjet and a hypersonic bomber.

[@straywolf77]

So, what are the sensors like? What is the sensor fusion like? What are their missiles like? A plane, by itself, is just one tool in the toolbox. OK, so it has stealth quality characteristics but there isn't anything that shows a huge leap in capabilities, etc. Anyways, the truth is in the proverbial pudding - WAR. That's where you'll find out whether it is actually a viable aircraft.

[@johnsmith1953x]

*This is the test flight of the 11th made J36* (this means there are at LEAST 10 more made)

[@AlvinYap510]

Ok this is not true. Use J20 as example, CAC designate 2001-2004 as technology demonstrator, once everything is satisfied, they build 2011 - 2017 as the prototype. 36011 means it is a prototype instead of a technology demonstrator, but it doesn't mean that 11 aircrafts were built

[@jrylei]

@@AlvinYap510 partially true, however, 20011 to 20017 is black or yellow paint, this 36011 apparently is different.

[@gfan003]

Everything was in the Zhuhai Airshow since 2020, If people Look close enough to the plastic models show cased in the stands of the two aviation companies and there were introduction to the specs as well.

[@RickActual]

The F-4 Phantom with a V8 was the muscle car of fighters. Modern jets can’t even put out a descent smoke trail.

[@sarahkhan2310]

Excellent military aviation development. Very strong deterrence against hostile forces from faraway colonised lands and its enslaved allies. Salute to the team 👍❤️🇨🇳

[@FreeSpeech-z6j]

cinese jet engines can only fly 500 miles, so just like a dog on a leash, cina is trapped in first island chain

[@timdutton2056]

Ok, so what happened is, the Chinese hear all this talk from us about "Fifth Gen Fighters" and they say, "oh yeah? OUR new fighters will be SIXTH GEN.... thats one Gen better!" They just skipped a generation. Kind of like when Microsoft skipped windows 9.

[@absboodoo]

A lot of it is still misunderstood by many because we all use a different definition of fighter generation. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fighter_generations What we will called a 5th gen, is a 4th gen with the PLA definition.

[@marcinm2871]

They didnt skip shit, they build 4th and 5th. Now a demonstrator prototype for something new. likely being to it NOT being 6th but 5th ++ given much of what 6th gen tech is to be is still in experimental stages.

[@larryc1616]

Skipped? Your ignorance didn't skip.

[@dopeintegra83]

These guys building these jets, whether they are good or not, while we are trying to define what a woman is.

[@larryc1616]

Kaitlyn Jenner?

[@lj1687]

“Mayo Zedong” 😂😂

[@larryc1616]

They put mayo in everything 😂

[@lynnpierce2024]

You're absolutely right. There is no need to discuss it at all. It's a waste of time. It's all fake cgi!

[@AkashicDream]

我以为在看三哥的节目, 哦不, 还真是三哥

[@jxmai7687]

我愣了一愣，哪来的三哥。😂

[@zen-mc4ju]

@@jxmai7687 三个哥嘛

[@gags730]

The role of a 'fighter' jet has primarily been to use them as a 'bomber' to deliver air to surface weapons. In addition to the primary use as a bomber, we are seeing additional and more advanced radar systems. If anything, you would expect to see a larger jet to hold more weapons, fuel, and advanced electronics to become more of an AWS (AWACS) packaged in a low observable, extremely fast and long range jet.

[@hkfoo3333]

More important with 3 engines , it will be fast supersonic said to be mach 4 just below hypersonic. That with its large payload , will fly rings around its enemies and no escape from them.

[@huachen3836]

@@hkfoo3333 There is no alleged fact. The Chinese government will never release these so-called "alleged" statements. The J36 cannot reach Mach 4. Any aircraft in the atmosphere that exceeds Mach 3 is unrealistic, or unnecessary. It is even unnecessary to exceed Mach 2.5. The maximum speed of the J36 will not be too high, and will not exceed Mach 2.5. I personally guess it is between Mach 2.1 and Mach 2.3. However, with the support of three engines, in a high-altitude and high-speed environment, the non-afterburning supersonic cruise speed of the J36 should be greater than that of the F22, and may reach Mach 1.8 or even Mach 2. These are enough to bankrupt the United States' trillions of dollars in military assets.

[@xxSWxxNINJA]

It's not a bomber, it's an AWAC / Tanker killer. It has side scan radar and IR optics either side.

[@JinKee]

We need unmanned stealth tankers! Actually there is a little one, the MQ-25 stingray

[@voidtempering8700]

That isn't what it is, and that isn't what 6th gen aircraft are designed to do. It definitely could do that with the Pl-17, but as a secondary, or even tertiary role.

[@hallo84]

@@JinKeeUnmanned or not it'll still get shot down and be a pricy loss. Nothing within the second island chain is safe anymore.

[@JinKee]

@ war is wasteful. But drones are easier to replace than people.

[@B.H90]

Guys, This is now old news, they test-fly their H-20 stealth bomber today

[@五林-c9u]

真的吗，我去看看，现在我回来了，告诉你，我觉得那是假的。大部分看过的中国人也觉得是剪辑的。

[@HyperionLogic]

American ex-pilots moonlighting as intelligence specialists.

[@你看个锤子你看]

It is normal for fighter jets to emit black smoke at low altitudes. The F22 also has this problem. What's more, the SAC is just a verification aircraft or a prototype. The final version will definitely use a new engine.

[@MitjaBonca]

YF-23 still looks the best among any of these up-to-7-gen aircrafts. Such a shame US didn't put it through. Maybe it's still not too late.

[@rgloria40]

Historically, the US scoffed at innovators and the individuals sell their technology in other countries... That is because innovation fights the status quo of money, power and fame.

[@coreycharles1000]

That’s kinda sad that we have to pretend their 6th Gen is our 5th Gen and their 5th Gen is our 4th Gen. The level of insecurity is off the charts for you to go there. Their J-20 is very comparable to our F-35, and these new jets are on first brush even more advanced. We better get back to the drawing table and get serious before we get left behind, ie. hypersonic missiles.

[@evilleader1991]

absolutely correct attitude you got there sir.

[@ayo-v1p]

America is already left behind in hypersonic missiles. Have you ever heard of the DF-17 missile. Search it up

[@scottwolf8633]

For an airship to be considered "6th", generation, isn't the turbine required to be 3 stream, adaptive cycle technology?

[@voidtempering8700]

Not exactly. There currently is no set standard.

[@watb8689]

the adaptive cycle has already been tested 2 years ago, it is tested on other planes, you don't see them on normal fighter plane

[@turanamo]

The Chinese term stealth as evasion against multi-angle radar illumination across all frequency bands. That is their USP. I was hoping the specialist experts in the video would explain it further, but all I heard was whimpering and coping

[@larryc1616]

Is there an universally accepted definition of gen 6?

[@voidtempering8700]

@@larryc1616 No. I would expect that every 6th gen would be quite different.

[@tsekwongsiu2253]

Indians are true genius after hearing this news - they just simply buy two French 3rd gen fighters and fly together, claiming they've also got a 6th gen one. 👍👍👍

[@rogerlenton3335]

At the end of the day, we may not see these aircraft being mass produced until the 2040s. However, one thing that we should take note of is that regardless of their perceived performance shortcomings, the Chinese aviation industry is currently producing three advanced 4+ gen fighters and two 5th gen fighters. This amount of activity, plus the subject launch of two 6th gen prototypes simply isn't being matched in the U.S. Whether or not they are trying to push us into a spending war, like we did to the Soviets in the 80s, they will end up with a huge, advanced peer air force in the next ten years.

[@wolfmanjackxl1691]

I think there is a lot of smoke and mirrors going on with Chinese aircrafts. I mean they are still not able to reproduce decades old Russian engines with the same power output. That they were able to steal American documentation of the F-35 surely helped them with the stealth aspect.

[@SF7PAKISTAN]

The spending war was a spending war because one of the parties was in a significantly disadvantageous economic position compared to the other one. China does not have the same disadvantage, matter of fact it might be better off than the US in a lot of cases

[@dayone1992]

2040😂 you have no idea bro

[@johnsmith1953x]

They have about 100 J36's. Right. Now.

[@adder88]

NGAD？有人以前见过吗？为什么美国人相信这是真的？我仍然相信好莱坞。

[@northyork6253]

These hosts basically didn’t do too much research on the topic. WS15 engine had already replaced ws10 and been deployed on J20.

[@chrisdoulou8149]

It’s not a bomber, no Chinese analyst is calling it a bomber. It’s a heavy fighter. I mean they both are heavy fighters, but the J-36 is enormous, at 55t.

[@GTFO_0]

Coping mechanisms starts one in 3 2 1 Jk (can i pet that dwag (the dorito one)

[@bsharp6812]

What's funny.... where is ours..... Right that part.

[@bsharp6812]

Wait... wait, someone is gonna say the technology we've had for yrs. Cost to much 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@dark_memer42]

Man it's a stretch to suggest the US have been flying an ngad for 6 years already lol

[@hallo84]

True stealth so you cant see it.

[@bigearl3867]

First flight was before September of 2020.

[@dark_memer42]

source?

[@adam68756]

American: our 6th gen fighter can't find by human eye, that's why we lost it 2 years ago

[@chargedx5768]

@@bigearl3867 that was the B21 and its not 5th gen, the NGAD and F/A-XX dint have protoypes made

[@b3jamin21]

This video is modern meme culture, well done gentlemen

[@jdmac44]

I think they're putting these things on display for their people, especially with the faltering economy. For us I think it's a distraction from their real strategies, hybrid warehouse and drones.

[@williamlee5828]

那么现在谁是无人机领域的第一呢？中国无人机的种类数量都比一般国家无人机的总数量都多。美国有的无人机中国都有，美国没有的无人机中国也有。

[@watb8689]

i came direct to the comment seeing many coping 😅😅😅

[@brianye964]

The most powerful wind tunnel is in China. I think that contributes a lot to the rapid development of the next gen fighter jets, bombers, and other air crafts.

[@catrojana3694]

These three are USA's future politicians.😂😂😂 Bravo !!! I'm subbing this channel just for good laughs.😜😁

[@fadlya.rahman4113]

I believe this is probably a test and demonstration of several prototypes of competing design, or it could simply be a proof of concept just like the Boeing Bird Of Prey.

[@mururoa7024]

Anyone can make prototypes that "look cool". Even Turkey and Iran. 😉 The shape alone doesn't mean it's next gen.

[@springbloom5940]

No, that a shape like that can fly does

[@jonasong88]

@@mururoa7024 except you need state of the art computational power to make it fly.

[@mururoa7024]

@@jonasong88 😂😂👍yeah right, just like those RC "stealth bombers" you can buy from Walmart for $15.99

[@jetli740]

@@jonasong88 so what computational power power in f35 or f22? i bet your phone has more computational power than in those jet.

[@williamdouglas8040]

China has a strategic need to keep America away from their border. So that three-engine bomber looks like a plane designed to drop large ordnance on American ships. Alternatively, with a long range, launch large air to air missiles at strategic American air platforms. So the plane must be stealthy, have a long range / high speed, and carry ordnance large enough to sink a ship. It appears that it might meet those requirements.

[@Cerbium]

The Chinese bot comments are here

[@ptm3993]

American smooth brains are here

[@Cerbium]

@@ptm3993 Yes an American is on the American made internet, on an American made website on an American KZbin channel. They don't program you bots too well apparently!

[@subasthapa4839]

Cry Harder

[@caindarin9665]

@@ptm3993 You earned your rice for the day, comrade. Well done.

[@古德雍飛]

@@caindarin9665 USA: $160000000

[@naseer48]

I agree.....it looks RC planes....zoomed out.

[@YongLi-np3wg]

1:30 It's a twin seats version of J-16.