7.62x39 vs 300 Blackout for Hunting

[@Inflorescensse]

took a buck last year with 300blackout. 75 yards, high shoulder, Not one single step. through both lungs, spine, broke far shoulder, found under skin. 125 grain Sierra game changer at 2200 out if a 9 inch suppressed.

[@jeffhuntley2921]

Have you noticed if your groups tighten up with a suppressor?

[@edwardhoward4708]

Hand load?

[@kalidilerious]

@@jeffhuntley2921 the research I've done on 300 BO is the suppressor actually makes it less accurate and, for reasons, the suppressor skews bullets off to the right.

[@jeffhuntley2921]

@@kalidilerious I’ve got one barrel in 7.62x39 that drops 11” and 1” left when I put my gemtech on it but doesn’t change with my 458 can. There’s a older channel, Johnny’s reloading bench, that had a bunch of videos with his 30 cal can helping his 6.5cm groups but I don’t know why some cans help and some hurt groups?

[@sidehustlers336]

Could it be that it helps with the barrel harmonics in long barrel? But throws of short barrels ? MAC showed the scar 20 group's tighten up with a suppressor. He also has a vid where a suppressor ruins the mpxk groups

[@sfdhazmat]

We live in South Georgia and have kill a lot of deer and hogs with 7.62x39 (125gr SP and 154gr SP ). We use Ruger and HOWA bolt guns, and 16”AR,s all feed and function flawlessly. We have shot out to 150yards with animals dropping like rocks. Great Southeast hunting round. We use steel surplus ammo with great accuracy,we were lucky enough to have purchased thousands of rounds years ago when these rounds cost nothing. We use a 50yard zero.

[@theirishman6728]

You jump from 110s to 150s in the 300blk. However there's some great options in the 125 - 135gr range. I'd suggest some comparisons with them, too. It may not do much in factory loading numbers. I don't know since I roll my own blackout. But if you're a hand loader, you will get great performance.

[@nikbo40]

You got that right.

[@jeramystephens74]

Softballs vs Golf balls

[@MrT13]

You have a bit of a point but it’s still they are two different animals. About 200-250fps animals no matter how you breed it. I personally like the 120-125 stuff in 300 better than the 110 grenades. Sst etc.

[@Paul_305]

300 blk vs 7.62x39 grab the popcorn!

[@WHOTEEWHO]

🍿 🍿 🍿

[@MrT13]

@@WHOTEEWHOhey you literally did say “tell me what you think” lol. I mean if that’s not asking for it I dunno what is. Next time just end it with “3 more lbs of recoil, do with that information what you will” And you’ll still get to eat popcorn, you’re just not specifically asking for it. Lol

[@bkb5668]

I wish the 7.62x39 154gr sp was included in this comparison.

[@ngaoutdoors4157]

Good round actually shooting some tonight out of Ruger American and pretty darn accurate

[@kradikt666]

​@@ngaoutdoors4157good to know want that as my next rifle

[@rotisseriebear5394]

I'd like to try some of those; haven't seen factory loads or projectiles. What speeds do the factory loads get? Or if you reload, what are you getting?

[@darkdraggon]

That's the round I use, it is very accurate out of my guns and I have dropped deer with it.

[@wymonwatson1309]

I've taken several mule deer with 125gr barnaul sp, they drop deer, also they chrono at nearly 2500fps from my 16" barrel ar, it's pretty hot ammo and definitely shoots flatter than his chart indicates, at 100 yard zero I get 3" of drop at 200, significantly better than the American ammo he has charted.

[@robinallen5360]

I like the 300 Blackout for hunting in the low country, especially if you have to make a shot on a hog from the ground. There is less chance for rounds to carry beyond your line of sight and go beyond property boundaries. Ethically, I limit the 300 Blackout to shots of less than 100 yards anyways to ensure a humane shot. That said, the 7.62x39 is a great option as well. I think the biggest thing is holding ourselves as hunters to the limitations we place upon ourselves and our equipment.

[@unashamedly1776]

Both are good options for inside 200, over that you should consider larger calibers (308, 6.5CM/PRC, 270, 300WM, etc…) I also wish the comparison had more comparable bullet weights; plenty of 123-125gr 300BLK rounds

[@cardude1992]

You mean larger cartridges* :)

[@wymonwatson1309]

The x39 still holds the advantage, it has greater case capacity, therefore higher velocity for any given bullet weight, the x39 will give 2250ish fps with 154gr projectiles, the .300 is closer to 1900ish with bullets in the 150gr weight.

[@hghunter44]

With factory ammo, I agree 7.62x39 is the best choice. If you reload, then 300 blackout is the way to go. I can load 125 gr SST bullets to 2300 fps from a 16 in barrel.

[@marvinbrock960]

Whatever you get with the blackout… add a good 200-250 for the x39… 8-9 more grains of powder capacity…

[@ottokittel709]

one plus for 300 blackout is small rifle primers that are easy to find vs the 7.62x39 uses large rifle primers which are harder to find in stock. the Hornady sst bullet is great in both cablers. just different in bullet diameter 300 blackout = 308 dia. 762x39 = 310. dia.

[@shanescott3168]

I've had good results with the 125 SST in 300 BLK too.

[@MrT13]

It’s not the way to go unless you do subs. Neither is really a past 200 yard pick. So the accuracy you mite find is what? 1” better at 200?

[@stephencriswell22]

Love my ruger ranch in 7.62×39mm ben takeing deer for years with it so i decided to get a ruger ranch in 300 black out and try it for deer this season can't wait!

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Good luck!

[@ngaoutdoors4157]

@@khoov48 What’s wrong with subsonic?

[@stephencriswell22]

@ngaoutdoors4157 nothing that's all I hunt with Is subs

[@SLickev92]

@@stephencriswell22what’s your subsonic round of choice ?

[@BikerDash]

It's all well and good... but I think I'm gonna stick with my .308 Winchester.

[@charlesboston1]

the other huge advantage the 7.62x39 has over the blackout is , it is loaded to a sammi pressure max of 45000 cup .... if you have a strong rifle action you can safely load it to the same pressure as the 300 black out and gain even more velocity and energy over the black out round

[@MrT13]

Or just shoot something else lol. You just can’t make a 300 do what x39 does. Cause you know physics. Bigger cup more juice.

[@southerntriplej8061]

Black out shines with a 195 gr cavity back at subsonic speed quietly killing deer to 90 yards for me actually I took my biggest buck of the season last year with one at 35 yards. and it performed like a well placed broadhead. but Ive killed a bunch with that load when I am hunting around houses. but the Barnes black tip is pretty fair supersonic to about 150 yards. but I will be the first to say a black out is a toy compared to the 6.5 Grendel if you want to use a AR to seriously hunt with.

[@Bodhi1satva]

Love that you put all the work into gathering and charting and graphing all this out. Some surpising info.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

I appreciate you watching!

[@getoffmylawn8986]

Good job, Sir. I shoot 300 BO from a 16" Daniel Defense, I reload, and use almost exclusively 125 gr bullets whereas 123 gr is pretty standard for the 7.62x39. Now THAT would be a fun comparison! I don't have a "shusser machine", and have no use for subsonic.

[@destroyingdadxx2274]

My favorite 7.62x39 is Tula 154 grain soft points. Cheap and effective. Much cheaper than the American stuff at around $15 a box. Paid $40 for a box of Winchester super x last year.

[@edwardh1591]

7.62x39 is the better cartridge when the appropriate hunting ammunition is used. So I agree 100% with you.

[@shanepitzer4126]

I like both rounds, and have a couple rifles in each chambering. With equal weight bullets and equal barrel lengths, the x39 can usually get 200 fps more than the Blackout. For hunting discussion, I don't think a 1000 yard analysis makes much sense. Maybe 200 yards max. Enjoyed the vid, thanks for sharing!

[@andrewduppstadt2120]

Since you have experience on both, what is the difference in felt recoil between the two? I was leaning toward 300 BO because of the light recoil. Is the felt recoil in 7.62x39 similar or more?

[@duranbailiff5337]

I would not exceed 250 yards with my Blackout- and that with 110 grain bullets.

[@shanepitzer4126]

@@andrewduppstadt2120 I definitely feel more recoil with the x39, but both are pretty mild. The Blackout is noticeably milder to me though, comparing both in AR15 rifles with 16" barrels. I also have a Ruger Ranch bolt action in 300BO, and it has very mild recoil as well. My x39 rifles are both AR's 16" and 20".

[@exhaustus7437]

Got me two White Tail so far this season with the 110 GMX and 150 Deer Season 300BLK. Buck and Doe dropped within 40 yards. Deer Season fragments produced about a 1 foot wide blanket of blood. Absolutely capable out to 200 with both.

[@Dwayne7834]

My AR15 in 7.62 x39 has been a good choice for me for deer hunting. Took some good ones with it. I load my own hunting rounds. Thanks for the video. And information 👍

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Thanks for watching!

[@jayneup4776]

@@WHOTEEWHOcan you do a comparison between 7.62x39 and 350 legend for deer hunting

[@Prepare2Survive]

The difference between 7.62x39 and 300 blk at close ranges is similar to the difference between 300 blk and a 357 magnum rifle. In terms of energy 7.62x39 comes in 1st place, 300 blk in 2nd place and 357 magnum rifle in 3rd place. I shoot and handload all 3 calibers. When you look at the load data they are all very similar, not much difference in powder charges for a 125 something grain bullet. The main advantages to a 357 magnum rifle is it's a lot easier to handload than any bottle neck calibers like 7.62x39 or 300 blk. No need to lube the brass before sizing and no need to trim the brass length. Plus 357 magnum is easy to get good accuracy with homemade cast lead bullets. Especially if you powder coat them and a 357 magnum handgun makes a good companion to the rifle. If you want to hunt small game use 38 special ammo in the same rifle.

[@matthewgrice6902]

Thanks for the info.

[@chadmorrison5094]

I have a savage axis in 300 blk. I keep deer thinned back for a farmer as he gets tags. I've killed 7 in the last year with 300 blk. Federal 150gr sp. Max shot was about 85 yards. 5 of the 7 dropped in their tracks but I attribute that more to shot placement placement

[@mattnorthernmn2803]

Curious on your preference of shot.placement? Bouler room or head/spine shot?

[@chadmorrison5094]

@@mattnorthernmn2803 high in the shoulder and towards top of the lungs. Seems to be high enough that the hit breaks the spine. But I use that area with about any rifle I'm hunting deer with.

[@brandtjustsayin]

The last 4 whitetail and too many hogs for me to count have been harvested off my property all using S&B 7.62×39 124gr softpoint in various platforms from bolt gun to AR. I have yet to need to track an animal more than 30 yards from point of impact to drop point and most haven't made it more than 15 yards. Inside 200 yards, 7.62×39 is my absolute go to chambering. SOMETIMES, I'll use .308 but then I'm more worried about neighbors, bullet travel, and backstop. And I've had hogs run 50+ yards after being shot with .308 HogHammer loads that made a clean pass through on about a 75 yard shot. No apparent expansion or energy dump as it zipped through that hog. Finally, even with curremt ammo issues, 7.62×39 is MUCH cheaper and more readily available than 300blk every day of the year and in every scenario in recent history. I'll stick with 7.62×39.

[@mblake0420]

Look at what you are comparing. 123 grain vs 150grain. Get a 125gr sst in 300blk and its just a little less. Not that much of a difference

[@Winkler_B_Rudolf_1911]

7.62x45mm Vz.52, a forgotten but extremely effective cartridge, that fits into an AR-15 magazine.

[@cortcorp]

Thanks for someone finally saying this, also anything you can handload in a 300BLK you can handload in a 7.62x39 with more case capacity. Although I do own an AK, I have a 10 inch BCA and 18 inch BCA ARs in 7.62x39 and both shoot almost anything around 1 MOA.

[@MrT13]

Anything is not exactly accurate seeing as how they are different diameter. But he’s right. You’re right. 3.5 more lbs of recoil for a reason.

[@cortcorp]

@MrT13 OK when I said anything I meant anything from 308 to 312 or 30 cal to 32 cal will stabilize out of a 312 barrel which my AK and both ARs are. So I meant anything.

[@MrT13]

@@cortcorp I dunno. You put 308 in a 311 and it starts doing weird stuff sometimes.

[@cortcorp]

@@MrT13 I shoot 110 gr projectiles made for the M1 carbine on top of Lil gun and 1 get 1.5 MOA

[@MrT13]

@@cortcorp that’s good. Are they cheap? I put a bunch of weird mixed matched berrys stuff in the wrong stuff. Like 300gr in 45 acp.

[@effeojnedib7208]

I'd still take the .300 BO over the 7.63x39. Mainly because I'd not choose either for a primary deer hunting round. Secondly, the .300 BO is much more versatile to load for, and to buy ammo for. Thirdly, change the upper on an AR is all it takes to change to a 5.56/.223. And again, I wouldn't choose either as a primary deer hunting cartridge.

[@ottokittel709]

interesting report! I built many 300 blackout ar rifles/pistols with excellent results for Florida deer and wild pigs at 50 yds or less. then the subsonic craze started. the hand loaded subsonic ammo we made were extremely accurate and very quiet, but the one shot kill reliability went to crap. was hunting in north Florida few years back and was carrying an under folder ak 47 with Hornady factory steel case loaded with the 123 gr sst soft point bullets , jumped a nice 10 pt buck appx. 75 yds 1 shot and the deer dropped like a rock. I now carry the CZ 527 carbine in 7.62x39 with many deer pig varmint 1 shot kills, no more 300 blackout for me!

[@TKelly-js3os]

Matching the bullet construction to the expected impact velocity is the key to good bullet performance. Both of these cartridges can approximate the energy of the 30-30 a known deer cartridge for 130 years. 30-30 bullets are designed to expand at lower velocities. Varmint bullets pushed to lower velocity perform very similar. Due to much better bc of the varmint bullets they perform very similar to the 30-30 at 100 to 150 yards.

[@edbecka233]

Decades ago, I swapped a ratty post-64 M94 for a Savage M340 in .30-30. Being a bolt gun, I tried the Sierra 125 gr FBSP (a varmint-construction pill) at about 2450 f/s. The accuracy is astounding, and terminal performance is BANG/FLOP. My eldest wants me to buy/build a .300 BO for training his son and new stepson on centerfires. I'm shopping for a bolt gun rather than an AR upper, because: 1. No chasing spendy/PITA to convert brass all over hell, 2. No gas system to drive me nuts, 3. highly light/cast load friendly, nice with the poofter kid-training ammo I intend to load after shortening and forming about 2K of 223/5.56 brass. I think once we get into serious game loads, that good ol' Sierra 125 will figure prominently.

[@terrell48]

The 7.62x39 with the right bullet for hunting seems like the perfect cartridge out to 200 yards for deer size game including hogs. A friend uses on hogs here in Texas with 100% success

[@brandtjustsayin]

I second this statement!

[@bryanpeterson3958]

I live in DFW and want to start hog hunting. Where should I go? How do I get started? What optics should I get? Would I hunt at night/dusk or in the daytime? So many questions.

[@carlhansen8672]

I agree. I just added the Ruger American 7.62x39 to my deer, hog and coyote hunting rotation along with the Ruger American Ranch in 6.5 Creedmoor.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Sweeeeet

[@carlhansen8672]

@@WHOTEEWHOthanks for the thumbs up.

[@Eggomania86]

The old cz 527 in 7.62x39mm was probably the finest bolt action rifle in said caliber. For starting a youngster out, that would be the way to do it. I wish they never discontinued the product line. But for now, Ruger does off their American Ranch in 7.62x39mm. Technically, if you are an Eastern woodland whitetail hunter and your shots are well within 100 yards typically, that's really all you really need. I definitely agree with your assessment. Also, 7.62x39mm is still comparatively inexpensive to shoot a young hunter and can get plenty of practice with it, grow with it develope their marksmanship skills and become confident. Using 7.62x39mm is more humane to use than any of the .22 centerfires in my opinion. Each is their own.

[@danielkerry8219]

3rd year in a row using 7.62x39 for deer hopefully a third deer

[@WHOTEEWHO]

🦌🦌🦌

[@ronnieskata9002]

Both of those are good hunting rounds even though the .300 blk struggle to make the legal energy requirement for whitetaildeer here in finland. With a min. 93gr bullet is needed 2000J (1475 ft-lb) @ 100m or min. 123gr bullet 1700J (1253 ft-lb) @ 100m or leadfree bullet min. 80gr 1700J @100m

[@jstephen45]

I'm sure the deer won't know the difference inside 100 yards and I want to justify the 300 but it's not in the data, thanks for the video. I'll be watching to see what ammo you choose for catching deers in both cartridges.

[@franzbollich9314]

While youre drop chart may be accurate, i think, they would be more comparable if you added more 110gr 300blk rounds instead of subs.

[@StephenMiller-xv7uv]

Thanks for an honest comparison I’ve see to many videos saying the 7.62x39 isn’t as good as the 7.62x39 and it’s not proper even for self defense usage !

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Thanks for watching

[@jasonroy4813]

I've used a SKS for years to hunt whitetail I use the 123 grain soft point PPU

[@sailinghome2708]

I have two Ruger American Ranch rifles, one in 300 Blackout and the other in 7.62X39. I use Hornady Black ammo in both rifles for hunting whitetail deer. I've shot whitetail with both rifles. The 7.62X39 shot was 133-yards free-hand and the 300 Blackout was a 50 yard freehand shot. Neither deer went 25 yards after being hit. Both rifles were sighted in at 100 yards and I did not adjust my POA for either shot. I hit right where the crosshairs were. Honestly, since I bought my Ruger Ranch 7.62X39 I didn't touch my 300 B/O again. I run non-corrosive 7.62X39 steel cased ammo for plinking and love it.

[@Swampytheroot]

I have dozens of factory and custom loads for 7.62x39. In the area I live, there are no shots beyond 150 yards unless you're in the swamp or along the power lines. All the fields are now quarter acre lots for Yankees $400k houses. The 7.62x39, loaded properly, is the modern 30-30 that was master here 50 years ago. This was 200 yard fields, heavy brush and floodplain/swamp.

[@thebowyerman]

X39 is the better cartridge.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

👍👍

[@WHOTEEWHO]

@@andyh3446 all true

[@khoov48]

😲 I love my 7-62x39.!

[@ngaoutdoors4157]

I run hornady sst 123 and 255 sub-x for hunting both deer and hogs. Sub-x 50-75 yards works fine on deer and hogs and coyotes at 100 yards that’s it. Let be clear the shots with subsonic loads are neck shots on deer and head shots on hogs not shoulders or vital’s up close.

[@khoov48]

Differences are going to be marginal. Deer/hogs etc.. ain't gonna know a hill beens difference between hit with one or the other. Shot placement trumps all guys. It's all for fun here. Each their own, no true winner, run what you like and works for you. That's why there's options

[@tankmeister8131]

You’d be surprised at the junkie material FMJ 7.62x39 ie Norinco are and how effective they are. Great video.

[@marvinbrock960]

Fun fact! That 208 gr subsonic will out penetrate Eveything on the board and z further out! 😂. That 190 sub x is awesome as well…. I’ve killed deer with both, the 7.62x39 has noticeably more thump at 100-150… my personal limit with a 7.62x39..

[@piratetrooper87]

I totally agree 7.62x39 is much better. Just one quick note. I have some 125gr SST loads in 300 Blackout. They might be a good comparison to the 7.62x39 loads. Might be worth a look if you can find em.

[@piratetrooper87]

Fiocchi loads I believe

[@rquest3059]

Excellent video, I always wondered how much of a difference there was between the two cartridges. I'm so glad I bought my mini 30 ranch rifle 25 or so years ago. Thank you.

[@TheCodyO]

Dont get me wrong I agree is a 7.62x39 is a better round for shooting a white tail but I dont think this comparison tells the whole story. 300 blk can be loaded with more bullet options and I would dare to bet that 300 blk will penetrate deeper due to the heavier bullets most often loaded in the 300 blk and the fact it is a little slower so it will have less violent expansion. That would mean to me the 300 blk has more versatility then 7.62x39 and I would dare say inside 100 yards would be a better choice for game larger then the typical white tail since it would be more likely to penetrate deep in the vitals. At least thats my theory.. if you test it I will watch it! 😊

[@merlinnorris714]

Adam you nailed it around here down south in Georgia majority of deer taken I'd say 95% or more under 100 yards unless you said correctly you have a field or pipeline or clear-cut. Had a friend from the early 80s up until he died a few years back that love hunting with a 7.62 by 39 killed a ton of deer with that cartridge no complaints

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Same here. I'd like to try some further away stuff but trees everywhere

[@SammySanchez]

I took my first white tail with a 7.62x39 AR last season. I’ve upgraded to a traditional hunting rifle this season because that AR was noisy and heavy

[@WHOTEEWHO]

🦌🦌🦌

[@montanamusings]

I used to have a 300 blk out with a 16 inch barrel. In my area I just didn't have a practical use for it. It was fun to shoot. I shot 110's and 220's. Thanks for the video!

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Thanks for watching!

[@jaylinholmes3453]

How loud would say the 300 black out is I wanna get it in the savage bolt action

[@duranbailiff5337]

@@jaylinholmes3453 I bought a Savage AXIS II rifle with a 16 Inch tube a few months ago and really like it. Mine is not suppressed- yet. That said, I don't plan on shooting anything close to heavy with it. The gun is not loud, but I am an old Boomer that appreciates longer barrels. While some would label it a musket, I would much prefer that mine had a 20 inch barrel. You can see a fireball roll out- even during daylight. A heavy fluted 20 inch barrel is in the future for my Savage. Suppressed, naturally.

[@jaylinholmes3453]

@@duranbailiff5337 thank you man I really wanna get this as my first bolt action rifle but I didn’t want it to be loud like a 270 or something and I won’t running a suppressor so I see where I can get my hands on one thank you again

[@yomomma107]

I've taken deer with 300 blk The 125gr. Bullets are the sweet spot 🦌🦌🦌

[@NorthRiverGuide]

If handloading for a modern firearm, the comparison is essentially a 30cal cartridge with a case capacity of around 20gr of H2O vs a cartridge that can shoot the same bullets but has a case capacity of around 35gr of H2O. The 300blk is more efficient for subsonic use, but when it comes to supersonic loads, the 7.62x39 can be a significantly more powerful round than the 300blk.

[@jamesahoffman]

The only difference is the bullet options, platform, and budget, since both had subsonic options for a while. If you were hunting with the "gun muffler", but to pay more for a less capable round sounds silly, so I'm in the 7.62x39mm camp.

[@chrisfisher3900]

I do agree with the hunting thing but you would have to load those same bullets sub sonic in 7.62x39 to get a true comparison. Interesting though

[@charlesmorgan1879]

I should get a lever action 3030

[@mikefranklin1253]

Years ago I used an SKS with Chinese sp ammo. I consider it as good as the 30-30. I never shot a deer farther than 30 yards away.

[@navveteran9944]

Hodgdons has a loading of 21grains of lil gun behind a 125gr. Nosler balistic tip at 2403 FPS and it is the best loading for 300 blackout.

[@andybreglia9431]

If I were looking to buy a new rifle, this would be useful information. However, I'll stick to my .30-06. I can duplicate either of either of these cartridges by handloading. Further, with 200 grain softs, I can hunt Alaska's dangerous game.

[@halfcirclehranch6877]

I don't remember if you've done it yet, but a similar comparison between 7.62x39 and .30-30 Winchester would be a good one.

[@TheHOOfan1]

I think Ron Spomer did, but he only compared with terrible BC round nose 30-30 bullets. With Hornady LeveRevolution ammo, the 30-30 blows the 7.62x39 out of the water. 160 grain LeveRevolution 30-30 round 2400 fps at the muzzle, BC of .33 123 grain Winchester Super X round 2380 fps at the muzzle BC of .304 the 30-30 stays supersonic to 650 yards 7.62x39 only supersonic to 600 yards 30-30 carries 1000 ft-lb out to 300 yards 7.62x39 only carrier 1000 ft-lb to 175 yards 30-30 drops 12.5 inches at 250 yards 7.6x39 drops 13.13 inches at 250 yards

[@MrT13]

Here’s the differences, about 3.5lbs of recoil or 400lbs of energy. And soft primers that don’t mind light triggers, vs hard ones that do. That’s it.

[@peterstankovic1978]

No surprise... 300 AAC Blackout has a slightly smaller case capacity and also comparing 123gr with 150gr bullets will deliver expected results.

[@Odyssey_Weapon_Systems]

I was thinking the same thing. Unfortunately it's not a true comparison. I wish there was a factory load for 300 BO with a 125grn bullet (maybe there is?)

[@peterstankovic1978]

there are but FMJ bullets

[@K-bob_45]

@@Odyssey_Weapon_Systemsfiocchi 125 SST.

[@Miohunter444]

300 Blackout with Winchester 150 grain Deer season knocks them down!! Thing is your not gonna use 300 Blackout for farther than 100-150 yards. That chart was 200 and on.

[@IdahoSewing]

The subsonics have the sectional density to penetrate deeply, and as you can see, give advantages beyond 600 yards (where nobody hunts with subsonics). Anyone who can drop deer reliably with a .22 Magnum or M1 Carbine will do fine with the extra starch found in either of the bigger rounds discussed here. (My great-grandfather used the M1 Carbine with milsurp ammo for bear, cougar, deer, elk, and pretty much anything he didn't do with a .22.)

[@scubasteve3032]

Wow! I always thought the 7.62x39 was better but the 300 blackout was shockingly worse. Great video!

[@bigbird5754]

The reason the BO did so poorly was the heavy for caliber bullets ie 150gr. Barnes loads a monolithic 120gr bullet. These are supersonic. They are plenty effective. The 300 BO can go from supersonic to subsonic with a magazine change. We use maker 190 gr subsonic projectiles. At 50 yards these are very effective on deer. We use a suppressor with this round. The 135 gr bullet is the heaviest we use supersonic.

[@TKelly-js3os]

With the same weight bullets they are very similar. 125's work very well in either.

[@lyonsoutdoors]

I love how I can come up with any idea about anything guns, ammo and hunting related and you have a video on it and it answers my question's!

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Appreciate you watching!

[@skiphinson8620]

As with any cartridge, and especially with these less energetic cartridges than are considered ideal for medium/large game, shot placement is the key. I’m hunting with two calibers this year that are definitely not my norm for big game hunting. One is the 7.62x39. I’ve found that the PPU ammo with the blunt soft point round nose ammo shoots really great groups in my SKS which is the only rifle I have in this caliber. That’s the round I’m using. Yes, shots will be 125 yards or less. I’m confident it’ll work with a cool headed nicely placed shot. But then, I’ve shot multiple deer with this rifle using Federal pointed soft point ammo but it’s been about twelve years since I took this rifle out for fun so off to the woods we go!

[@blackbirdpie217]

The Soviet cartridge is the much older parent cartridge. Blackout is new. It is made to run 30 caliber through an AR, and can be downloaded to subsonic while still cycling. It's no powerhouse.

[@lordfarquaad717]

I feel like it’s definitely worth mentioning that all of those velocities for the 7.62x39 are out of a 20” barrel, Whereas All of the velocities for .300 BLK are out of a 16” barrel. Not quite a fair comparison.

[@scpatriot5270]

Ill stick with the 7.62x39!

[@xringarcher1440]

I’ll let you know when/if I catch myself a deer this year. I like these 7.62 videos you’ve done lately cus I have a new ruger ranch rifle as you do in 762x39 and am going to try it out hunting whitetails here in PA Myself this year. PPU 123 gr pointed soft points seem to shoot nicely out to 100 yards at least. Like you there’s not many spots to shoot here past 100. My favorite spot is overlooking a small open field that’s in the middle of the woods, and I reckon the farthest shot to the far end of that field id ever even get is maybe 120 yards

[@leadhead7338]

I like to shoot the Barnes TSX black tips out of my 300 BO and they shoot great, but with that 300 BO 110 GR the X39 is going almost 100 FPS faster so not as big of a difference as I would of thought And the 2 300 BO rounds have more energy then all the X39 rounds at 400 + yards so who would have thought.

[@sigpig912]

13:10 Yeah, I was just telling my buddy how I was going to site my single shot CVA chambered in .300blk in so I could take a deer with it as soon as the creek does out. It's so deep rn that you can't see the deer when it drops unless it has a big rack because it's body is underwater.

[@MikeCostelloOutdoors]

The grain weights aren’t comparable. Of course a heavier load will drop more. I like 300blk because of the different weights variations.

[@wilhelmvo6399]

Tons of company's make both with the same projectiles they're so close with the same weights it doesn't matter. But the 300aac is easy to get subsonic.

[@Rickkari7]

Have a AR in x39. Missed a big old deer that was about 160 yards in a 13 mph crosswind using a 154 SP Tula. Decided I was likely too far out with my hold and the ammo is a brick. Now hunt with a Grendel upper. Dropped 2 at 175 yards last season. I have some SST hornady black ammo now for the c39. Thinking I’ll hit the woods with that after I get one or two with my Grendel this year.

[@nikos6220]

Love that you called out the Subsonic loads. At 100 they are ballistically like a 9mm. Who would hunt a deer with a 9 and think that’s appropriate. People should get themselves a 450 BM or a 458 SOCOM with the about 400 grain Sub-X for that purpose

[@Steve-rc2jm]

Who tee who 762×39 here is the killer... 6.5 Grendel out of the AR -15 love to see you do that comparison. I love the Grendel

[@TKelly-js3os]

300 Blackout with 125 gr varmint bullet work well. Lower velocity (2250 fps or so) at the muzzle and 1900 fps at 150 yards keeps the varmint bullets from over expanding. MOA or better accuracy lets you put that bullet right in the vitals every time. 900 foot pounds at 150 is plenty for deer. Shot placement is still the most important piece of the puzzle. Either round will work if you can shoot accurately.

[@scottwinkle5503]

It would have been a better comparison if all the bulkets weights were comparable. Most of the 300 loads had bullets heavier than the 7.62 so of course they would have worse ballistics. Mute point for us Illinois hunters, 300 blk is legal to use in Illinois but 7.62x39 is not legal because the case is too long.

[@SP-wk1en]

I've dropped 3 deer with the 300 BLK. I handload my own 110gr. 300 BLK is very sensitive to the powder you use. My 110 load is making 2500 FPS. Compare that to the factory load.

[@carlhansen8672]

LI have a Ruger 7.62x39 and a Ruger 6.5 Creedmoor. After this video I think I've changed mind mine about adding a 300 blackout to my whitetail arsenal. Another great video

[@laughingsaladfarm]

x39 is great on deer. Got a deer with a 123g supersonic, one shot drop. Also with a 245 grain cast sub pill in the x39. dropped instantly as well. Both were inside the 50yd mark.

[@bryanpeterson3958]

Thanks for the excellent vid and tech discussion. One point though is for a valid scientific comparison, variable differences need to be minimized. In your comparison, the 300 BO bullet weights were much heavier, so bullet drop and energy comparisons are somewhat misleading. Do they not make 300 BO with comparable bullet weights, I.e., 125 gr? BTW, I’m researching for a hog rifle and the 7.62x39 is my top choice. Thx for your videos..

[@teamstucker624]

Good video I own guns in both rounds (no AAC 110 Vmax) the .300 Blackout wins in accuracy on there natural platforms.

[@alexmunn5321]

I have had this conversation in person and can argue on paper the the 7.62 by 39 is a better round. And also agree subsonic ammo is not for hinting. Yeah yeah I know some of you use it . But in my opinion it just does not have the clout for anything bigger than 150 lbs .

[@robertwies6806]

I would pick the 7.62 unless I had a 30-30 with me. 😂

[@WHOTEEWHO]

👍👍🦌🦌🦌

[@RobertDaugherty1234]

I’ve taken 3 doe with the 300 blackout hornady sub x rounds at less than 25 yards all deer ran 30-40 yards. Shot placement is what it’s all about at the end of the day. I agree no knock down power but it will kill!!!!!!

[@francisbarbeau1862]

WTW this is ANOTHER case of you comparing Apples to Oranges! 1: ALL the 7.62 rounds are VERY light (at the light end of acceptable Deer grains) understanding it is ALWAY about SHOT Placement and 2: All the 300 blk out are ABOVE 150 grains! The 300 Blk out is an EXCELANT hunting round! I have shot a Mule Deer out at 378 yards( yup a 7.62 X 51 (.308) and Whitetails at 25 yards(35 Rem) Adjust your choice of Firearm to WHAT you are hunting!

[@WHOTEEWHO]

All of the 7.62x39 rounds shown are the most commonly found factory loadings for hunting ammo. Obscure, specialty ammo or handloads is not applicable

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Also I specifically talk about the 110 grain 300blk

[@marshalljones8840]

Northern Minnesota about 30 minutes south from Canadian boarder, mostly taken deer with 270 WSM at 100 to 400 yards, dropped or ran 50-75 yards. Wanna do bear hunting with 300 win mag, have done some target shooting with CZ 527 7.62x39 at 100 yard with iron sights got about 1.5 MOA with steel case wolf & brass case norma 123 grain

[@ed5042]

my retired MARSOC GUNNY buddy LOVES his ruger ranch scoped. He gets close to moa with most ammo. I would LOVE to get one, but, getting the BCA upper was cheaper!

[@richerich853]

My deer rife is a 7.62x39 AR. Most available shots are less than 200 yrds, with most under 100..

[@RockOfAgesCFM]

All the 300bo on that list are subsonic weights.. well besides the Hornady black

[@spencercline1957]

We’ll considering that 2 of the blk loads are subsonic and the other 3 are 27 gn heaver they are going to be slower. A better comparison would be the hornady American gunner 125gn @ 2175 fps and 1313 energy with enough power to take a deer to 300 yards. I like your videos and am a fan of both rounds. So for under 300 yards and you had 3 identical rifles just different chambering and let’s say they both shot 1 moa. I would then say go with the cheaper to shoot witch would be the 7.62 over the blk

[@Perry2186]

I do have an issue with the 300 black out loads you chose You should never hunt with the amax bullet That is a target bullet The 110gr grain Hornady black is a Vmax varmit bullet not great for deer you should of have Fioochi 125gr sst and Hornady Custom 135gr FTX and remember drop doesnt matter if the bullet wont preform in the animal

[@blakester122]

30-30 would be a better comparison to the standard velocity 300blk.

[@ed5042]

if you can ever find the barnaul or brown bear soft point, 2400-2450 out the muzzle on this stuff, spent hours on youtube finding actual chrono results!

[@985shane]

Fiocchi 125gr sst 300blk are a beast

[@jimscallen6452]

My hunting bullet choice has all ways been the Barnes 168gr TTSX in 30-06

[@WHOTEEWHO]

That will take a deer for sure

[@jspec-vz3mc]

300blk is the 7.62x39 we have at home

[@Tigershark-qy2gq]

The 300 Blackout is at it's best as a subsonic suppressed round, used on people sized targets in military conflicts. It's a weak round for hunting medium sized game. This is a suppressed combat round IMHO. Secondly, it's hard to find ammo for it, while the 7.62 x39 is positively everywhere. I'll stick with it.

[@toddk1377]

Good comparison WTW! I'm not a huge fan of either caliber for deer, I like the 350L, 30-30, and 243 the most. The 350L is my caliber of choice in an AR, 30-30 for the classic lever gun, and 243 for the bolt gun. 🤷

[@d-rayphelps1630]

Like them both. But I don't think that your comparison is fair. Just my thoughts. The bullet weights are way off. For . also don't agree with you on the subsonic ammunition. Furthest shot for me has been 110 yards, Ruger American in 300 blackout 208 grain AMAX. Absolutely devastating. Others were convinced that the deer was shot with 300 Winchester Magnum. Inside a 100, exactly the same result on hogs as well. Have a good one and May God bless y'all,Bo. I am also thankful for all of your hard work.