And I know some of you will ask, the skin used in the video should be a free login reward next update. There will be a permanent memory shop next update to farm memories from. Grand Blue Update should arrive near the end of January Thanks for watching and happy new year! Discord: discord.io/ahjinautomata 0:00 Intro 0:19 Overview 0:36 Core Passive, Ult, Basic Attack, QTE 1:33 Orbs 2:09 Leader Passive and Ascensions/Evolution 2:30 Playstyle/Gameplay Tips 3:30 Weapons 3:49 Memories/Builds and Resonance 5:17 Team Comp 5:39 Pull/Build recommendation
@aldovk66813 жыл бұрын
Ok dude subbed after the first 10 sec
@Spider2B3 жыл бұрын
@@justagamer4386 yea 4dv vera cause u got those 2 already for dmg
@alexdani58553 жыл бұрын
Vera S guide please
@erickicalina84632 жыл бұрын
Bro which one is a better sub dps a vera or s kamui?
@vinny85892 жыл бұрын
I started playing yesterday and she was my first 10-pull So far I have zero regrets XD plus she's like a rude sarcastic snippy Erza Scarlet which is hilarious.
@Vipera2172 жыл бұрын
i "accidentally" made her my main carry supported by Liv and Nanami I wouldn't noticed she's a healer/supp until I browsed her info
@vermgilbestdad36782 жыл бұрын
I'd like to add that her Ultimate stays on field after swapping to another characters and attacking after a blue orb acts like a attacking after a dodge.
@vespaia21662 жыл бұрын
I saw that she was support and then tried playing her…. holy smokes this woman is crazy! The way she says her lines during her ultimate is so cool, really sells the insane vibes she gives off
@poggest_of_them_all3 жыл бұрын
I'm really happy you're starting to make guides on characters who aren't in global yet Bc it helps cn players like me And even global players so they know about the upcoming characters I love the way you make your guides so keep them up buddy
@xprox86603 жыл бұрын
I can't wait for the queen to arrive
@vash_the_stampede65702 жыл бұрын
Same Brother.
@daiioji2 жыл бұрын
when is she arriving?
@k9raikan5102 жыл бұрын
@@daiioji 3 days, my friend
@daiioji2 жыл бұрын
@@k9raikan510 ah okay, thank you.
@k9raikan5102 жыл бұрын
@@daiioji wait... I was wrong xD ... Vera will be available in February 7th
@tntxgoodin2 жыл бұрын
As a Vera enthusiast, I can't wait for her to drop on global. I have both Astral and Tenebrion and I'm still making her a sub DPS. I love her too much to not have her on my screen 75% of the time. I'd make her my main DPS but astral does more, sadly. I wish I could whale for her. Thanks for the tips. I will put them to good use.
@RijaMo3 жыл бұрын
It is such a crime that she's not a main dps...
@rezathoriqiss15113 жыл бұрын
I'll build her as dps tho lmao
@nickchua57723 жыл бұрын
@@rezathoriqiss1511 same
@MrNegetZ3 жыл бұрын
i mean.... she's a dps that can heal herself basically....
@jourdanfarquharson46973 жыл бұрын
Wait for tank vera
@SeekGrace2 жыл бұрын
@@rezathoriqiss1511 Please use her as a main DPS so I can rank up at Warzone and Cage easier :>
@muhammadshafiq24712 жыл бұрын
Vera is basically a MOBA support character that just wants to do so much damage that she can support with her healing and buffs. Insane. AND I LUV HER!!!!
@tempestzeta112 жыл бұрын
I don’t care that she’s a sub dps. She’s a main dps in my heart
@jin_raven1923 жыл бұрын
Ah yes the 'support' step on me construct. Although she's personally wise dangerous, I like her too.
@tasya_nabila2 жыл бұрын
Finally my dark team is complete. Re-watching this because I have no idea before. Thank you for the guide!
@axios47023 жыл бұрын
She is the last construct I need for my dark team, I'm so excited! By the way, can anyone tell me how long until Camu arrives?
@moonlightpresence19443 жыл бұрын
He arrives as a free unit in the upcoming update along with Vera.
@axios47023 жыл бұрын
@@moonlightpresence1944 Free? Didnt we have to roll for him?
@Ken-df8cp3 жыл бұрын
@@axios4702 Camu is free. We roll for Vera.
@axios47023 жыл бұрын
@@Ken-df8cp Thank God, Plume took most of my Black cards, I need to save for Rosetta.
@esparza13623 жыл бұрын
Late January or early February
@syahaz7088 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this guide. I barely understand the in-game tutorial for her core attack. Visualization really helps a lot. 😅
@ふみもん3 жыл бұрын
Didn't know this game is so deep, I just slap random constructs together and just spam basic attacks and orbs and I can clear war zone just fine
@Spider2B3 жыл бұрын
Chief you got no idea lol
@MrNegetZ3 жыл бұрын
what warzone rank u on?
@TheCorbenik3 жыл бұрын
I love clueless ppl like this, makes it easier to keep my high rank in warzone and pain cage :^)
@41pilled3 жыл бұрын
@@TheCorbenik not everyone is a tryhard like you, some people just like to enjoy a game without any competitive mindset :)
@TheCorbenik3 жыл бұрын
@@41pilled yeah exactly, thanks for your sacrifice :^)
@theodorbelfast21063 жыл бұрын
You can imagine the wide grin on my face every time I hear Vera's voice.
@dalgona48193 жыл бұрын
First time I saw Vera I was like "Wow this girl's got an attitude..." then I thought to myself that's okay, it's good to see women who's not "stereotypically sweet waifu" or who are "bitchy". And with every eventual appearance she made I began to like her even more. Looking forward to getting her so I can complete my Dark team
@RuiFanTier2 жыл бұрын
I have a hate love feeling towards her... I will definitely pull for her but since pgr is easy to get A construct, i probably focus more on her weapon
@iKayorei2 жыл бұрын
That’s what I thought at first and then I played her story and I needed her to step on me
@THEBOSS-ed1vr3 жыл бұрын
I recently pulled tenebrion from a single and am pretty sure everyone has astral so I can’t wait for Vera to complete my dark team😊
@zey85952 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! Good luck on your growing channel!
@Cliffer_3 жыл бұрын
Started playing JP and my first Rank A was she, really fun to play and yes, I love womans with strong personality. I will save up for her rank S version, my favorite
@Scar_4442 жыл бұрын
I didn't even know Vera had a charged attack, I couldn't figure out what that meter was for, thank you! I really should pay more attention.
@rickross802 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love her design!!
@JunAndaakabaa3 жыл бұрын
Best video to kick off 2022~ freakin lets goo!
@jaredtew7097 Жыл бұрын
What healer? She's my dps
@thebeastfromwithin30243 жыл бұрын
Just got Kamui tene from the 70% rate up thankfully. Now I have the dark comp.
@kuruarii2 жыл бұрын
When I saw her character I said to myself, “yeah, I don’t want her” but now I take it back
@NKPyo2 жыл бұрын
I really love Vera, thanks for the guide. I made a guild for fellow Vera simps on Asia/Pacific server called Vera's Inu Pack. Already have 50+ people.
@hamimavalon83323 жыл бұрын
Thanks bruh , love the video 🥳
@kdwnals2 жыл бұрын
I JUST CAME BACK AT THE RIGHT TIME 😎 BEEN WAITING FOR HER SINCE GAME LAUNCH
@jameskistadio18362 жыл бұрын
I just started playing today and got vera as my first pull using black ticket, I just loved long haired waifu's
@neros3982 жыл бұрын
The definition of "im a healer but"
@redcloud02 жыл бұрын
I played as Vera on one of the story stages but I can never trigger her core move! I been pressing attack once then holding it then let go after that then continue with pressing attack but it never works for me😑 I’m been stupid or it could be a bug! Can someone pls help with this🙏🏽 many thanks
@Fahym_3 жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie I thought at first she was an Attacker instead of a Support 🗿
@wolfeakabeast1182 Жыл бұрын
I love this character I just started playing and been watching your videos to see what I would like and I love sub DPS healers
@octomar18152 жыл бұрын
This video is really good. Its on point, clear, helpful and easy to understand. Thank you.
@links83102 жыл бұрын
Just a question, if I'm going to use her as a full sub dps which really is a best memory set, cause i already build 4 bathlon and 2 eins and people are saying she's more viable as a dps if i use cottie, i picked Einsteina so that she's also good as a qte shred support and also being a sub dps (i think), cottie is only good while she's on the field but i want also to switch regularly that's why i used Einsteina on her instead of cottie, is this good?
@Spider2B2 жыл бұрын
Tbh it's up to you, whichever you have access too. Cottie is more ultimate uptime and personal damage on field and einstien is more for debuff for astral (assuming you don't have tenebrion since you are going subdps build)
@lemangcoconut2 жыл бұрын
Great video as always! A question, for Astral/ Rozen / Tenebrion team, which one should be the leader and what is the most efficient team rotation?
@Spider2B2 жыл бұрын
Astral/Luna leader, vera starter
@lemangcoconut2 жыл бұрын
@@Spider2B Thank you man
@tomefilho3902 Жыл бұрын
I still don't understand how Illusion works.
@LuisCadenas2 жыл бұрын
Hello I'm new to the game, I have a question, how can you generate 3 of the same orb every time (3blue, 3 yellow, 3 red) 4:28
@glaiveplays39862 жыл бұрын
5 more days ladies and gents!!!! Our queen shall arrive!!
@Kinger_of_the_circus2 жыл бұрын
Just started playing today I pulled her on my second single summon and got her 5 star sword in one single summon
@zen_7748 Жыл бұрын
I just started playing this game a few days ago and I heard that for newbies it would be best to pick up this lady from the Base Construct R&D pool, so I did. She's a Dark support, but I feel I was lied to, because she feels like playing as an attacker. Not that I'm complaining - I like supportive characters with movesets of a DPS.
@prayoganugraha16382 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the guide, i am just playing for a week now and decide to build dark team first because i just randomly pick tenebrion and getting astral from first ten pull now i have to get her to complete my team
@bangus47852 жыл бұрын
I just started playing today and a friend recommended her to me
@bangus47852 жыл бұрын
She’s still my main she has 4 pc Bathlon 2 Pc Cottie and I just solo everything
@Yuyuu973 жыл бұрын
"Oh God please step on me " got me right there
@bernkastel74382 жыл бұрын
I really wanted to get Alpha but after getting Vera I got over it lmao
@jonathegirk77529 ай бұрын
Question, when I use Vera’s sword gauge attack, I sometimes get a these slashes that I can ping because these slashes are orbs. How do I get that to activate?
@bernardocarlos53662 жыл бұрын
Im so hyped for her
@cc-luvly Жыл бұрын
can i also choose richelieu 2-set rather than gloria for phy dmg bonus? or just mainly gloria 2-set
@nanamiishere13103 жыл бұрын
Can SSS Vera with 6* weapon outdamage SS Astral with 5* weapon? I'm planning on dumping lots my BC's for her
@Spider2B3 жыл бұрын
Possibly
@milogaming15672 жыл бұрын
I was using rozen for attaker i like her being an attaker he can burst out enemy and heal in the same time
@erridkforname Жыл бұрын
im a new player and just downloaded the game and well, i had alot of experience in other gachas already but, so far im loving PGR. vera is my new waifu too. thanks for info on how to use her. and yes i have her 6* weapon already
@treebush3 жыл бұрын
mannnn cant wait for her to come out
@MrNegetZ3 жыл бұрын
Quick question do I need to level up a character to lvl 80 if I only want the qte or is ~lvl 60 fine cause I find that lvl 60-80 is a big investment in xp capsules. Could you also do a guide on hypertuning cause it's a new type of emchancement (for global)and I don't really know which memories to do it on. hypertune...
@Spider2B3 жыл бұрын
See my faq in my youtube community post
@AcousticAnime3 жыл бұрын
can't wait thanks buddy subscribing to ya
@heimfrost36302 жыл бұрын
Vera: Support role My dumbass: *Ah yes, my Queen shall be my DPS.*
@Spider2B2 жыл бұрын
Dream, not of who you are, but what you want to be.
@crapsound Жыл бұрын
So about her Ult, do I need to switch to my other characters so they could be healed by it?
@3025-b6p Жыл бұрын
we all love yandere🥰
@AngelMendoza-kb9de Жыл бұрын
Dps, Supporter and Shield, I mean is how I ,personally, use her. And Lucia (Plume)
@xtcaudio2 жыл бұрын
I have 4 Guinevere and 2 bathlon on her currently in hopes that healing drone will pop out to heal my other teammates during Vera’s QTE, but it never does (she just pops up with dark damage). Is my attack too low or is Vera just not good for the healing drone? My liv lux never has any issues getting that drone out on the QTE.
@Spider2B2 жыл бұрын
Livs healing is over time so it charges the drone so it can heal (see Guinevere description). Vera only has a single instance heal in her qte. You would need to pop her blue orb id assume. Most of the time you don't need that much healing anyway so you can run 2 lantern 2 gui 2 sam/gloria.
@xtcaudio2 жыл бұрын
@@Spider2B never thought to do 2, 2, and 2. You would think your missing out on the 4 bonus, but that combo seems just as impressive. Even with bathlon 2 I’d think it might help. I’ll try that out, thank you for the advice!!
@maki09572 жыл бұрын
I have Astral and tenebrion. And I'm using 4 da Vinci on tenebrion but since memory can't stack buff, what memory should I use for A vera?
@Spider2B2 жыл бұрын
4dv shouldn't really be on tenebrion. See my tenebrion guide
@maki09572 жыл бұрын
@@Spider2B thank you for replying! Will Check your guide now!
@Idk-xw7gs7 ай бұрын
Pov when you max her according to the game and she heals 6000+ HP and max heal is 10000 HP with her leap skill in SSS+.
@angelrecoil2 жыл бұрын
if you build her as qte support, do you need to upgrade memories to max 45? and level her up to 80? thanks =)
@Spider2B2 жыл бұрын
Eventually yes
@AG-qz8ko3 жыл бұрын
I got enough blue cards to pull her copies but my s rank blue card guarantee is up after the next 10 pull....I also have an a rank selector still in my storage....should I pull a ton of copies when she comes out, stick to 1 copy or am I better off waiting until Lucia plume gets added to the s blue card guarantee?
@Spider2B3 жыл бұрын
Hmmm even then plume is still a chance after she gets added not guaranteed. Id say try to pull plume now if u can and then pull standard for vera.
@AG-qz8ko3 жыл бұрын
@@Spider2B was just trying to min max a bit...already got copies of plume, just didn't quite get enough luck for sss. Thanks for the advice:)
@nolongerdude2 жыл бұрын
basically ultimate=>hold=>normal stuff
@tzznb_2 жыл бұрын
If I use 4 davinci and 2 guinevere, which one would be prioritized on the bottom?
@Spider2B2 жыл бұрын
Doesn't matter too much. Use any existing 4 dv u have.
@bagel29062 жыл бұрын
I want to use her as like a sub dps to switch to when kamui runs out of orbs while in burst mode, which set would be good for her?
@Spider2B2 жыл бұрын
Someone's gotta hold 4dv (assuming you got astral)
@bagel29062 жыл бұрын
@@Spider2B no not yet unfortunately, I only have tenebrion and Vera from dark dmg thing
@bagel29062 жыл бұрын
@@Spider2B just got him
@belenuzx2 жыл бұрын
can I build her as a full main dps? I don't have tenebrion and I don't wanna build astral since he'll be replaced by Luna eventually....
@Spider2B2 жыл бұрын
You'll be waiting a long while for luna too replace astral but you can build vera as sub dps.
@alpha21812 жыл бұрын
she will be free next update? like in the past events that we got astral and sophia or do i have to pull for her and spend my bc, can someone tell me pls?
@Spider2B2 жыл бұрын
No I believe you need to pull her during her debut rate up (there's no event shop next update). Remember to save your blue r and d tickets from refreshing bounties so you don't need to spend bc btw.
@svl80122 жыл бұрын
Hi, i have both tene & astral but i didn't properly build tene so most of the time i don't even use him. So how should i build vera?
@Spider2B2 жыл бұрын
Should still prioritize building tene. Vera should be prioritized as 4 davinci support when if you have him.
@svl80122 жыл бұрын
@@Spider2BThanks for the suggestion.
@WaitingForGeshulin3 жыл бұрын
What about the Sirius weapon from top up??
@LaplaceBacklogs2 жыл бұрын
I am in need of a healer, so I just might roll for her.
@Spider2B2 жыл бұрын
should be fairly cheap with blue r and d tickets
@LaplaceBacklogs2 жыл бұрын
@@Spider2B So. . . Stupid question, but what are those and how do I get them?
@hakimimubin2 жыл бұрын
@@LaplaceBacklogs you can get it from bounty mission; recharge; or use black card. That's all I know.
@poi84602 жыл бұрын
Quick question if my team is tene, luna and vera A, so vera A use 4 hanna 2gui, right?
@Spider2B2 жыл бұрын
4 dv 2 gui
@poi84602 жыл бұрын
@@Spider2B ye thank u, i mean davinci lol, typo
@coldsoba92042 жыл бұрын
so I accidentally pulled her *whale only* weapon as a f2p; who's been playing for about 3 days. im currently lvl 40 and I was wondering if I should just use the weapon on her or put it on alpha? (yes I pulled both alpha and vera within 3 days of playing) edit: since im new to the game I've just been trying to clear as much as I possibly can to get a good head start, I only have like a total of 7 characters (including the free S rank character and the 3 starter characters) and only 2 of them half-way built (alpha and vera) so rn in just working on getting the characters raised to their best ability. I have Kuji no Sada on alpha rn and Sariel on vera. idk what else I can do to help sped run the side events and whatnot.
@Spider2B2 жыл бұрын
6 star always > 5 star weap. Put it on the dps of the team when your using it.
@bobolaapi70342 жыл бұрын
i have all of them but still in A rank. i dont build other 2 guy for dark dmg and also now i m using lee S rank for dps. should i change from lee to other 2 chars? i dont know anything about this game bcs this is my first week
@Spider2B2 жыл бұрын
Yeah your should stick same element constructs in the same team for the most part.
@bobolaapi70342 жыл бұрын
@@Spider2B i have upgraded my vera. and 6* memories that i exchange from event. i want to build both of them but i dont have much materials. so, i need to keep upgrading them ? and i got camu yesterday, should i upgrade him?
@JWRame Жыл бұрын
I just started playing and pulled her today. Why the hell would I keep using Lucia when I have Rozen now. I pulled her 6star sword in 4 tries.
@DissatoastedFTW2 жыл бұрын
I recently got kuji no sada and sariel in the same 10 pull but as a new player I put more resources on sariel for vera. Is it a good choice or nah?
@Spider2B2 жыл бұрын
Lucky! Yeah can stick it on any sword user
@DissatoastedFTW2 жыл бұрын
@@Spider2B ty for the advice
@yuanxinwang82192 жыл бұрын
everyone, beginners luck is a thing... 1st pull and I got Sakura, second pull and I got sariel
@Offalfa2 жыл бұрын
When u mean attack top row is that Basic attack level plus 1 or the plus 15 attck and 15 crit?
@Spider2B2 жыл бұрын
+15 attack
@Offalfa2 жыл бұрын
@@Spider2B thank you I know I’m late to this but yea haha ❤️
@esparza13623 жыл бұрын
She cant out dmg astral, but will she outdamage tenebrion if I SS her? 👀
@Spider2B3 жыл бұрын
Nah tenebrion more damage oriented
@esparza13623 жыл бұрын
@@Spider2B ahh.. I will stick with qte memo then. Thanks
@kdwnals2 жыл бұрын
is there a specific spot for the qte burst support memories?
@Spider2B2 жыл бұрын
4dv whichever position you already have
@sovikpan483 жыл бұрын
Can you make a guide on S rank compositor Camu . Thanks for this guide!!
@Spider2B3 жыл бұрын
It's coming soon ;)
@sovikpan482 жыл бұрын
@@Spider2B Thanks!!!
@Harapeco11112 жыл бұрын
Can you tell me the set/position of the 6 stars memory for dps sorry I don't really understand the whole video
@Spider2B2 жыл бұрын
2,4,5,6 bathalon 1,3 einstien
@Harapeco11112 жыл бұрын
@@Spider2B thanks you earned a new subscriber
@Plain_Delta2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely do not know who this character is or what franchise she is from. But o like her already
@heizhi68102 жыл бұрын
I started playing like 2 weeks ago and yesterday I've pulled Sariel x2 on the same time. One I'm using on Vera and I'm not sure what to do with other one. Should i leave it for other character or use it for this option that I saw but don't know what it does exactly yet, resonance I think or something like this. Other than that great video, I plan on checking others soon :)
@Spider2B2 жыл бұрын
You can stick it on plume or alpha if you dont have their 6 star signature weapons, it will be better than the kuji no sada.
@gokturksaglam97903 жыл бұрын
So if we have tenebrio we would give eins to A vera and give tenebrio dps ones right?
@Spider2B3 жыл бұрын
Tene 4 hannah 2 ein Vera 4dv 2 gui assuming you got astral
@gokturksaglam97903 жыл бұрын
@@Spider2BThank you for your fast answer. İ have astral and i will follow your advice:)
@RD_Ace Жыл бұрын
Is the Lantern memory set available for Global? Because I have been trying to locate it and can't find it
@Spider2B Жыл бұрын
It was a limited time event memory set, it should come back around eventually, idk exactly when tho.
@RD_Ace Жыл бұрын
@@Spider2B damn, I missed it but good thing it will be back. Guess my Vera won't reach her full potential in my Astral, 21 team😢 for now of course. And thanks didn't really think the creator would respond. So super grateful for the help
@AzureFayt2 жыл бұрын
im alte as always but whats the best way to get 2 guineveres right now on luna update?
@Spider2B2 жыл бұрын
Recycle shop for now
@Nicolo-Corpus2 жыл бұрын
Just got her today even tho I just started the game :>
@AstolfoGaming692 жыл бұрын
Is she good with the purple dude with that big sword that we got for free? Since im a new player.
@Spider2B2 жыл бұрын
Camu is a transcendant, Vera is a construct. Both are dark element but they cannot be played together...yet
@DarkLess89X2 жыл бұрын
interesting video, I am an f2p player (sorry for bad english) and Vera I really like as a character so I can't wait to be able to use her, my dark team will be composed of Astral SS Tenebrion SS and Rozen, currently I have not awakened any of these characters so as not to waste resources knowing that Astral will be replaced by Luna. Maybe I could do the awakening for Tenebrion... in your opinion as sub dps is better tenebrion or rozen? I could also give Rozen 4 Bathlon 2 cottie / guinevere to increase her damage and Tenebrion with 4 davinci 2 einsteina qte support
@Spider2B2 жыл бұрын
Tenebrion better for sure as subdps.
@DarkLess89X2 жыл бұрын
@@Spider2B ❤️
@seanbenedictpacquiao34452 жыл бұрын
Hey spider 2b is this build for vera ok : 4 bhatlon and 2 fore cottie by the way I love your guide and also im a new subscriber
@Spider2B2 жыл бұрын
If you dont have tenebrion that's the goto set yes
@Nello_angelo3 жыл бұрын
So next video will be camu right ?
@peacekeeperjfsr2 жыл бұрын
Do u have any idea when the s rank version gonna come out?
@Spider2B2 жыл бұрын
a while, probably in a little less than a year
@peacekeeperjfsr2 жыл бұрын
@@Spider2B 😭that long
@hermanwillem70573 жыл бұрын
so I've been doing dark team wrong all this time? (a liv for elemental buff and a karen for gathering)
@falsehope21583 жыл бұрын
can I ask why there'll be no event shop in the next update?
@Spider2B3 жыл бұрын
permanent memory shop will be added
@falsehope21583 жыл бұрын
@@Spider2B omg thanks for the info ^ ^
@mikey_sano78022 жыл бұрын
How much guinevere should i use on her? And which 6 stars memory to combine with it
@Spider2B2 жыл бұрын
2 gui, 4 davinci
@mikey_sano78022 жыл бұрын
@@Spider2B okay thanks!
@MomoDontKnow3 жыл бұрын
When you say attack as the top res for her dps do you mean the orbs, basic attack, or the actual attack stats?!
@Spider2B3 жыл бұрын
...+15 attack
@MomoDontKnow2 жыл бұрын
@@Spider2B Thank you
@robertphiliplara3187 Жыл бұрын
she's literally pyke from league of legends, support that does some damage. I cant even believe she's a healer at first when I use her.
@MMoshaya192 жыл бұрын
What’s the recommended bp for a supp and tanks?
@Spider2B2 жыл бұрын
as high as you can get them
@MMoshaya192 жыл бұрын
@@Spider2B I understand that, but i mean if i dont want to fully invest in lets say Changyu until i can get S Chrome, what bp would be ok for him, i thought maybe stopping at 5000?