7 Most Terrible Sexual Sins in the Bible | YOU MAY BE FALLING FOR THEM! (feat Dr Jenny Knust)

[@Groksaurus]

They forgot the worse sin explained directly by Jesus, "He who lusts for bacon and eggs, surely has committed breakfast in his heart".

[@nobodyimportant8778]

I wish breakfast in my heart helped me feel less starved

[@rcktneo]

​@@nobodyimportant8778all the people in Africa would wish this 😂

[@DRayL_]

BRO!!! LOL "has committed breakfast in his heart"? That's hilarious! I'll have to remember that one! 🤣

[@HarryNicNicholas]

sizzling in the fires of hades on toast.

[@DRayL_]

@@CoyCat494 When did you do the survey of every person alive and find out that "none of them thinks I'm cool"? I'm really interested in that study! You must have put in a LOT of time on me. Wait. Why in the world are you SO obsessed with me that you would interview every living person, in order to find out if they think I am cool?? Seems pretty weird, my dude. I think I'd get a new hobby, if I were you!!

[@amy_pieterse]

2:41 - 7:15 1. Homosexuality 7:17 - 11:48 2. Sensuality and Exhibitionism 11:49 - 16:04 3. Adultry 16:05 - 20:42 4. Fornication 20:43 - 25:15 5. Masterbation 25:16 - 27:53 6. Prostitution 27:54 - 30:23 7. Incest Interesting that - do not r@pe anyone - do not force a woman into marriage - no child brides / grooms - no gro0ming / mol3sting of anyone didn't make the top 7 list of the worst sexual sins. Kinda fk'ed up.

[@spacepan]

missed the most important one, which is bodily autonomy

[@amy_pieterse]

@@spacepan thanks. I knew I was forgetting something.

[@DavidSmith-vr1nb]

@@amy_pieterse It's not that interesting, they can't be on there because the bible allows, condones and some places commands the first three of those, and you could argue that its message on parenting isn't far from the fourth.

[@JCW7100]

When progressives try to defend the bible, it comes across like "I'm so sorry! My uncle Hank can sometimes say awful things, but he's also said some good things! So let's reinterpret what he said here because deep down he's a sweet guy"

[@solidoxygen7873]

Agreed. The people who wrote these texts back then definitely did not have such progressive views. This is textbook "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

[@hansverhaegen8406]

Couldn't agree more. I can never tune out the blatant hypocrisy. Look, you clearly have no problem dismissing entire parts of the bible, of the religion. Why are you stopping short of dismissing all of it? Because you're still backing those in your religion that aren't as "enlightened" by your mere identifying the same as them. And your version of religion may be harmless it's still untrue and vulnerable to manipulation.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

"and don't forget, his dementia"

[@JCW7100]

@@hansverhaegen8406 Exactly.

[@jeremywvarietyofviewpoints3104]

To be fair some people can be sweet and horrible in different ways. But it doesn't make them an authority to be obeyed.

[@frankpulmanns6685]

The only sexual "sins" (I prefer the word crime) I can really acknowledge are sex with minors and sex without consent. Apparently neither of these are even remotely important in the Bible or Christianity.

[@SapientCephalopod]

You state two crimes, but they are in fact the same crime. The reason you can't legally have set with a minor is because they are incapable of legal consent. Sex with an inebriated person also boils down to lack of consent. All "sex crimes" are based on lack of consent

[@CB66941]

Weirdly enough, despite many detailed prohibitions on who one has sex with, including daughters in law, any explicit mention of daughters is not there, both in Leviticus 18 and 20, despite initially saying not to have sex with close relations in 18. I guess if you can sell your daughters as slaves, it isn't too surprising.

[@jimkoss3318]

@morebasedthanyouToys should give consent?

[@uninspired3583]

​@@jimkoss3318AI is going to make that question complicated

[@missowless]

@@jimkoss3318 wont someone PLEASE think of those poor rubber molecules??? D :

[@hartpuppets]

I'm sad to see so many commenters attacking Dr. Knust for remaining Christian. Unprotected Texts was hugely influential in my deconstruction, as well as a close friend's -- I am no longer Christian, my friend is now a progressive Christian, and both of us are immeasurably better off now that we aren't laboring under evangelical ideas of sexual immorality. Dr. Knust has had a positive effect on both of us, and being healthy is the effect that matters, not being Christian or not.

[@saveusmilkboy]

This! Dear fellow atheists, let's never alienate our theistic allies by trying to score points. We need them to fight fundamentalism from the inside.

[@kahlilbt]

At several points in the video, I (rabid fornicating deconvert atheist) found her very likeable and honest and intellectual. Atheism doesn't have to be evangelistic. She's allowed to view things differently and believe what she wants. But she chooses to show up in a way that is intellectually honest and dedicated to recognizing and supporting our shared humanity. I like her.

[@sohu86x]

I am a former pastor/PhD holder in theological studies. I was once a progressive Christian like her. I am confident that Knust continues to hold some beliefs that hurt herself and others. Off the top of my head, she likely believes that she will have another life after this one, and this will affect how she understands personal finance. This may cause her harm in her retirement, if she is unfortunate.

[@DesGardius-me7gf]

This whole “immodesty objectifies women” is a crock of shit, because it does the same fucking thing.

[@Benjamin-jo4rf]

Modesty is for men also, it's not just about sexual parts either. I see it as a respectful gesture to other people and my own body. I think that everyone should dress in a way that is not begging for attention

[@DavidSmith-vr1nb]

​@@Benjamin-jo4rf You're free to think that. You're wrong though.

[@Aleiza_49]

​​@@Benjamin-jo4rfthat's if the person wants to dress that way. If a person doesn't want to dress modesty, it's their body to dress as they wish. "Respecting" ones body is dressing how you want to dress, not how someone else wants you to dress.

[@juanausensi499]

@@Benjamin-jo4rf But the Bible doesn't mention that. Paul says men shouldn't have long hair. In some parts it's said not to dress with vanity. But nothing addresses modesty in men.

[@tomasrocha6139]

Biblical modesty refers to not wearing luxurious and ostentatious clothes, it's not about sex appeal

[@DRayL_]

Interesting to see a Christian speaking about the "roles of penetration" aspect of the Hebrew culture, which was the actual issue, as per scholarship, not what is usually stated by the typical street preacher attempting to malign a sub-group of people as "sinners destined to Hell for their homosexuality".

[@neclark08]

..."Roles of Penetration" as in 'who's the Pitcher, so the other is the Catcher...'?

[@DRayL_]

@@neclark08 Yes. Apparently, in the culture, men should never be "the catcher", because it is a submissive role. The "pitcher" is the dominant role, and men should always have the dominant role. I'm paraphrasing from those in scholarship. I'm sure they could express it better. And by "they", as an example, Dan McClellan has KZbin videos out there and is a scholar of the Bible and religion. Not saying all he says is "therefore true", but just someone I'm currently subbed to.

[@joshridinger3407]

it's just a red herring though. that still outlaws, at the very least, living as a sexually active gay man (and the bible condemns both the pitcher and the catcher - both are put to death).

[@DRayL_]

@@joshridinger3407 I'll leave this up to the purview of the scholars.

[@joshridinger3407]

@@DRayL_ you don't have to be a scholar to conclude that a law that says 'if men have sex with each other they are both abominable and to be put to death' has implications for the sex lives of gay people

[@thescoobymike]

The creepy shit Elon said about Taylor has to be one of them

[@JM-ot8ux]

The guy eats poop. Ask Amber Heard.

[@rainbowkrampus]

Even at my most oblivious, intentionally crass, pig headed desire to get out a joke at any cost, I would never say something like that. That dude has unlimited money and yet he never spends any of it on a therapist. What a freak.

[@quinn0517]

This is not the first time I've been glad I have no idea what Elon said. I'm sure it won't be the last.

[@xodarianxo]

was that the cat comment after she endorsed Kamala?

[@marcingolab6227]

Unlimited money can't buy him any shame though.

[@davidhoffman6980]

@4:38 onward. Paul you missed a big opportunity to quote Jesus who said "it's better to give than to receive." 😂

[@jeremywvarietyofviewpoints3104]

Or from Family guy "Are you a giving or a receiving tree?'

[@rainbowkrampus]

Jesus is the pitcher, I'm the catcher.

[@vontosmagicmurderbag2611]

I don't think anything can top this joke.

[@davidhoffman6980]

@@vontosmagicmurderbag2611 thanks 😂

[@legendaryfrog4880]

Written by men with nothing but condemnation towards women. I'm shocked. SHOCKED! Well, not that shocked.

[@joefuentes2977]

A lot of people thought women don't even go to heaven 😂

[@yeahaddigirl]

​@@joefuentes2977wouldn't blame them for not wanting to show up at this point.

[@johnnehrich9601]

Having learned so much more of the bible as an atheist, the bible is the LAST place I would look for advice on morality.

[@akizeta]

@@joefuentes2977 Well, that settles it, I'm not going.

[@Aliyah_666]

​@@akizetaHell it is baby 😂😂

[@psyseraphim]

I genuinely love that little off the cuff discussion at the end there. As someone who watches a lot of these videos and interactions, along with call in shows etc it can at times be incredibly frustrating. That small interaction reminds me that there are good and kind people in the world and on both sides of the discussion. Also we love you Paul, never forget that.

[@CreezusJighst]

I like a progressive, non-bigoted christian. Rather, it's better for society than so many of the alternatives, so i'll take it, but the atheist in me still wonders why someone would cling to the bible and their religion when they've clearly had to discount so much of it as either metaphors or misunderstandings. Agnosticism and deism are at the next house over from where she is. Atheism is as close as walmart.

[@yeahaddigirl]

Don't need to believe in the supernatural to be a Christian!

[@bluester7177]

Because it's comforting, because they grew up with it, because to them it bring good feelings and experiences, there are so many reasons. I'm an atheist but I remember fondly my catechism teacher, she was a nice old lady and felt like the grandma I didn't have, or all the times I went to Buddhism reunions with my godmother as a child, people don't always believe or do things logically.

[@CreezusJighst]

@@bluester7177 I mean sure, I think subconsciously pretty much all religions act as that kind of emotional comfort blanket, but a Christian who understands that about themselves and their beliefs would be acting in a strange and meta way to still believe it. Someone who can make all these excuses for christianity in order to have a modern worldview and behave like a decent human being, yet still think it's totally real and not have realised the emotional bias at play, that's what I don't get. It's like she's standing on the countertop at a bakery dumbfounded as to why she keeps smelling bread.

[@dragonhealer7588]

Other than the community, it's like a huge role playing game for the whole family.

[@Charlotte_Martel]

​@@yeahaddigirlYeah, you absolutely do. Paul was 100% right about that: if the resurrection didn't happen, then there is no reason for anyone to be a Christian.

[@sparrowthesissy2186]

I have much more respect for believers who say "That's what it says, and it's immoral" than for the people who try to claim the text isn't as severe and sweeping with its language as it usually seems. Like with Paul... bro hates all kinds of sex, and only approves straight marriage as a way of keeping excitable teens from stewing in temptation... yet some want us to think Paul's condemnation of soft men-bedders is a targeted and balanced critique of only the harmful kinds of same-sex relationships. That just doesn't fit with the context or the way those verses have always been read. Just admit Leviticus and Paul were wrong in their condemnation. I don't understand this game people play with those verses.

[@EdwardM-t8p]

If you read John Boswell's Same-Sex Unions in Premodern Europe you'll find that the Catholic Orthodox Church used to pair off same-sex couples with a sacrament with the understanding that they're not supposed to get naked with each other. It wasn't until the 14th Century that the church hierarchy decided that the sacrament was enabling the #1 sin in Christianity, even above blasphemy of the Holy Spirit the way Christians carry on these days.

[@durg8909]

I think it’s sort of a case by case basis. Sometimes nuances really do correct harmful misinterpretations, but we’re still left with a failed moral guidebook even after correction.

[@pineapplepenumbra]

Paul had to be gay. He talked about something that really bugged him, but was never specific, however, at the same time he seemed to have a serious problem with women and normal relationships.

[@montagdp]

Yeah, these kinds of explanations have never been convincing to me. I mean, sure, ancient writers didn't understand homosexuality in the same way we do, but you can be pretty damn sure they would have disapproved. They come as close as they possibly could to condemning it given the circumstances. The only place you'll find approval for sex of any kind in the Bible is in the context of heterosexual marriage. This kind of thing seems like people are massaging the Bible to make it agree with modern morals when it really doesn't.

[@njhoepner]

I agree. It seems to me to be more about trying to make christianity more acceptable as the society changes around it. We should just accept the reality - the bible is a magic book invented entirely by humans in the bronze age, edited by humans in the iron age, and added to by humans in the early Roman Empire. It naturally reflect the views of the humans who wrote it, and those views are declared to be "god's will" because that benefited the humans who wrote it. That's it, that's all. Why we even still accept it as an authority for life today is the part that puzzles me.

[@freddan6fly]

Press play as soon as Paulogia (the alleged creator of Christianity) makes a video.

[@TheRabidPanda]

Same

[@riderinblack7613]

​@@TheRabidPandaLiterally call my wife as soon as I get the notification

[@AnnoyingNewsletters]

Paulogia is far better than Saulogia and Pseudo-Saulogia combined.

[@whatevername8551]

I am not of Paulogia or Apollosgia or Petergia...

[@jeremywvarietyofviewpoints3104]

@@AnnoyingNewsletters and Crypto-Paulogia and Neo-Paulogia.

[@yeahaddigirl]

I've heard pastors say: God created good things and the devil perverts them for evil. It seems the opposite is true: good things exist and some people twist it for condemnation of the innocent.

[@goldenalt3166]

How is this the opposite? The "people" are "pastors" but that doesn't preclude them from being "of the devil". The real question is whether the scripture itself is "good" and these readings are "the perversion of good" or the scripture is already "the peversion of good". In either case we can see that the result is evil and therefore the reading is of the devil.

[@IheartDogs55]

​@@goldenalt3166 Until one considers that the authors of the Bible were incorrect about the existence of their god, much less what that god thinks!

[@goldenalt3166]

@@IheartDogs55 Depends on which author and which God.

[@suicune2001]

God creates good things? Hell is a good thing? Lucifer is a good thing? The flood was a good thing? Curses are a good thing? Sounds like he needed to think about that one some more.

[@IheartDogs55]

@@goldenalt3166 All Biblical authors & the god they assert.

[@LessaCaira]

I'm not trying to be snarky it has been a long time since I read a bible cover to cover. When did Adam and Eve get married?

[@johnoglesby-vw7ck]

After Lillith left his butt behind...took a while to get the first divorce finalized😆

[@Muhluri]

things were still perfect back then so marriage wasn't necessary. That's what I'm guessing christians would say

[@joefuentes2977]

I don't even think marriage was a thing back then. Families just arranged to have their children have kids

[@andrewphilos]

One could argue they were married when God "gave away" Eve to Adam, like how a father gives away his daughter to her husband. Treating women like property. Yayyyyy~

[@rcktneo]

​​@@andrewphiloswoah, God treating even the first woman as property? What a good God the chris-chans have 😇🙏

[@stephpar.official]

As the Bible says that a man should "not lie with a male as with a woman;" does that mean it's OK for two men to have sex if they are standing?

[@Aliyah_666]

Maybe if one guy is bent over a park bench or something 😂 idk lol..

[@EdwardM-t8p]

Or it's okay so long as anal intercourse is not included?

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

Yes 😂

[@Uryvichk]

"As with a woman" implies that, if you can find a way to do it that would not be possible if a woman were involved instead, it should be fine. If rabbinic literature is anything to go by, Yahweh loves a rules lawyer.

[@CB66941]

Yea it always seemed like penetrative sex was prohibited. BJs, HJs, and TJs would be a technical loophole

[@patrickday4206]

Wait so we skipped the great sin of being born and exsiting since born into sin??? 😂😂

[@darkhill556]

@29:12 In my deconversion, "breaking" the inerrancy of scripture was the beginning of the end. If the bible is not literal truth, how do we know that the wages of sin are really death, or that an executed Jewish street preacher is The Way? The bible's failure with history, science, and moral consistency disqualifies it as a source of eternal truth about how to gain "salvation" or whether i actually need to be saved from anything. Paul, thanks for another great video!

[@michaeltelson9798]

Definitely an AI doing the narration in the video, I laughed how “us” was pronounced as “oos”. There is also a point that other Biblical scholars brought up about Paul’s view on marital sex is that he was one believing in a coming Apocalypse in his time and to produce children at that time was not a proper thing to do with the coming Apocalypse.

[@LarryJones-v1f]

Actually, it sounds a lot like Christian voice artist Max McLean, who has done stage and recorded "adaptations" of books like C. S. Lewis' "The Screwtape Letters" and "Sinners in the Hands of An Angry God" by Johnathan Edwards. I'm 99% sure it's him and he does pronounce a lot of words the way a British chap would pronounce them. 😃

[@montagdp]

​@@LarryJones-v1f Agreed, I thought it was him at first. If I were him, I'd be none too happy about the existence of this video (not Paul's video, but the one he's responding to).

[@DavidSmith-vr1nb]

​@@LarryJones-v1f No-one in Britain pronounces "us" as "woose". Nor do we "Comet" adultery. I suppose we can look at a woman, LUST FULLY!

[@LarryJones-v1f]

@@DavidSmith-vr1nb Regardless, my point was that it was not an AI doing the narration.

[@DavidSmith-vr1nb]

@@LarryJones-v1f Really? It sounds like AI to me.

[@andrewlucas744]

I'm an atheist, and I can say honestly that I'm keeping pretty much all of these biblical injunctions. And, to tell the truth, I'm a bit pissed about that.

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

🤣

[@pineapplepenumbra]

Sorry, you said "pretty much all", so that would allow for 1 or 2, let's say, indiscretions.

[@andrewlucas744]

@@pineapplepenumbra 😂😂😂

[@DavidSmith-vr1nb]

Same here.

[@EmpatheticSage83]

I was blown away when I found out that there is no word for "Wife" in the Hebrew Bible...

[@BigDongWong]

Not with the doctor on this one. Progressive Christianity is cool but it tries to take our modern morality and place it onto ancient texts/people.

[@Finckelstein]

That's what religions always do. Once science debunks one of the bible's or quran's claims, the claim is suddenly a metaphor and only dum dums would think it was written as a literal account.

[@yeahaddigirl]

I don't think I'd be into that either, but I wouldn't discount every flavor of Christianity as only trying to fit modern ideas on old text. I'm strongly agnostic and I'm trying out a church this weekend that I'm discovering is willing to criticize actions of Jesus directly and pulling an ethical lesson that applies to today. Arriving via tolerance, participating for charitable action, like feeding the hungry and housing the homeless. You don't have to be a believer in the supernatural to be a Christian. I'm not a Christian in the common sense, and Jesus says stupid shit like every human does. I'm just trying to be less shitty and I don't mind co-opting a narrative to accomplish that. - be the change you want to see.

[@rainbowkrampus]

@@yeahaddigirl I'll admit, I'm skeptical of the utility of joining what is functionally a book club that only ever reads one book. I certainly don't see the point in labeling oneself based on participation in that book club. But hey, if makes you happy.

[@quinn0517]

​@@yeahaddigirlI'm genuinely curious. How is it that one doesn't have to believe in the supernatural to be Christian? That there was a god who created the universe (regardless of their mechanism) and that someone can be dead and return to life are both supernatural. I would say those two tenets are definitional to be a Christian. So, I'm curious.

[@VitreousVirtuosa]

​@@yeahaddigirl This reeks of the classic "all the good things about western society ACTUALLY come from Christianity!" just because you have to ignore so much of Jesus' and the Bible's other text to arrive at that conclusion. Also, I would disagree. You inherently have to believe in the supernatural to be a Christian. From my understanding Christianity is not just "following the vague nice teachings of Jesus", its accepting Jesus as the messiah and savior, which means taking on a good amount of supernatural baggage. If you're going to ignore most of the holy book and claim you need to co-opt the narrative to be a less bad person...at that point, dont call yourself Christian, and just find values you think would be better for society. Especially values that dont come from a book that condones a plethora of violent overreactions to small crimes.

[@jeremywvarietyofviewpoints3104]

It sems to me that the Bible condemns active and passive gay relations. Perhaps it's okay if you have a slave or something. The Bible is okay with having slaves and they aren't citizens. Why anyone should have to follow these archaic laws I don't know. It must be challenging to keep updating your religion when the text your religion is based on is so inconsistent with modern values and yet supposed to be from a being who transcends history. Why is the Bible such a product of its time and place when it's supposed to transcend human limitations?

[@yeahaddigirl]

This assumes all users of the books think the books are inerrant or supernatural.

[@jeremywvarietyofviewpoints3104]

@@yeahaddigirl then it is just another book.

[@brandonfetter3559]

Her: im a Christian Also her: shirks from the horrible stuff in her book, points out contradictory statements in the Holy Word, to condemn someone with essentially the same book. Such a joke.

[@beanbrewer]

Wow, they just jumped right in with "ThE GaYs!!!!!"

[@nasonguy]

Jokes on them, I jumped right in with The Gays.

[@beanbrewer]

@@nasonguy 🤣🤣

[@Aliyah_666]

​@@nasonguyA person of culture I see..😂

[@EdwardM-t8p]

​@@nasonguy I see you have good taste! 😂🤣😁👍

[@sarsfield1]

😂

[@juniusluriuscatalus6606]

The title just forced me to listen this, just because I might get some good ideas! :P And yes, believers can be good people too, love to Doc Jenny!

[@RealTrentertainment]

Dr Knust seems like one of the most honest Christians I've listened to. I don't think I've ever heard a believer openly admit that they pick and choose which scriptures to take seriously. Refreshing. I like her!

[@aetherkid]

It's hilarious how they can admit to most of their religion being false and evil, but somehow they refuse to come to the "I should just drop the entire thing" realization.

[@Dr_Cigarettes]

That voice bluntly saying "MASTURBATION" caught me off guard.

[@rik80280]

I know right? That was hilarious. That word has never before been uttered with such gravitas.

[@BearJoyner]

Growing up bouncing around different Baptist churches in the American South (specifically the Gulf Coast) . The version the Baptist church that Dr. Jenny describes and was allowed to be a pastor in is absolutely foreign to me. I'm not even 8 minutes in and my mind is frankly boggled.

[@mugglescakesniffer3943]

@33:33 When a problem comes along You must whip it Before the cream sits out too long You must whip it When something's going wrong You must whip it Now whip it Into shape Shape it up Get straight Go forward Move ahead Try to detect it It's not too late To whip it Whip it good

[@DavidSmith-vr1nb]

A man of culture, I see.

[@michaelsbeverly]

For those that like (or need) to skip right to the s*x, it's at 8:57 Nice editing... I interviewed Dr. Knust a few weeks ago, it was a great convo, I'd love to she her out chatting about this topic with more creators as it's super refreshing to hear a Christian not be hostile towards non-traditional couples.

[@FGuilt]

I love how christians are constantly rewriting their doctrines to match current year in order to maintain their relevance.

[@sohu86x]

Yep, it means underlying their worldview is humanism

[@gregcampwriter]

Dr. Knust is a reminder that life is so much easier when you don't feel the need to rescue the wretched passages in the Bible.

[@rochelebierhalspereira7106]

Sarah was Abraham's half sister - his father's daughter. Also, Amnon's great crime was taking his sister without marrying her first - she begs him to ask David for permission first, claiming he would certainly not refuse it.

[@hannuala-olla4302]

Yes. You can't lie with a man like with a woman. It's done in different way.

[@Nirakolov]

5:00 ish - My head canon is that Leviticus is a separate set of rules for the clergy, known as torat kohanim. It was specifically telling the clergy not to lay with the children (male), since apparently that was a problem in the clergy even back then.

[@Cheepchipsable]

I expect it was always happening since before modern man evolved.

[@esranzarnath4809]

The guest was terrible. No actual arguments that the bible supports her view, just wishful thinking. Didn't add anything, just occasionally said "as a scholar" or "according to my tradition" as though it was an argument. Religious Christianity has terrible rules, and progressive Christianity seems to have a vestigial Bible they like ignoring...

[@johnnehrich9601]

I do want to know what these 7 are, so I can try to do them all. Maybe in different combinations, too.

[@DavidSmith-vr1nb]

Four of them are basically neutral. I wouldn't recommend incest (the last one), and prostitution can be problematic in terms of the power dynamic and coercion/trafficking. Adultery is treated here as property crime, but don't cheat on your partner unless you have both decided to be polyamorous.

[@rickwilliams7431]

All believers cherry pick the Bible, to get to their preferred version of belief. (Christian scholars as well)

[@DavidSmith-vr1nb]

It's impossible _not_ to cherry-pick the bible, considering all the contradictions.

[@man-yp1gb]

Very true, she's not convincing anyone who knows the errors found in the bible which is a guide they all turn to.

[@iluvtacos1231]

While I'm glad she and her denomination are accepting, it is kind of odd to hold to a religion that has verses and texts that do seem to be against the positions they hold.

[@kahlilbt]

I see it as intellectual honesty. The idea that Christians must hold a rigid, totalizing view that every sentence of the Bible is true and valid and transparent encourages people to hold extreme views that just don't make sense. Her perspective is about finding philosophical insight without needing to necessarily agree with every sentence, which is how most religion/spirituality was done before the Abrahams git big

[@LarryJones-v1f]

Before I say this, I am a progressive atheist who supports the LGBTQ+ community 100% 🏳️‍🌈 and am proud (no pun intended) to say that I participated in a protest in front of Chick-fil-A one time when CFA was showing their bigoted asses for the whole world to see! Anyway, I respectfully disagree with your guest, Dr. Jenny Knust. I read the verses (Lev 18 and Rom 1) in context and I don't agree with her interpretations. And I look at how homophobic we in the U.S. were back in the 80s and before and find it hard to believe they weren't even 100x MORE homophobic thousands of years ago. Let's stop trying to sanitize the Bible and pretending that it wasn't a flawed book. After all, we're talking about a book that condones slavery and genocide. It's also homophobic. If I was a pastor in an American Baptist church (or ANY denomination for that matter), I would simply explain to the congregation that the Bible is a human book with many flaws and we must recognize that before we start applying that book's teachings to our lives.

[@PiRobot314]

All I would like believers to understand, when I say that I reject biblical views on sexuality, I am first and foremost rejecting the idea that men can own women. The homosexuality stuff is problematic too, but it's not the main reason I reject biblical authority here

[@Locust13]

It's always so wild to listen to your Christian guests speak out of both sides of their mouth. They will temporarily turn their brain on to address superstition they do not agree with from their fellow christians, but then keep their brain turned firmly off when it comes to maintaining belief in their own pet superstitions and magical thinking.

[@TheSolPhoenix]

I'm not sure I'd say she's speaking out of both sides of her mouth. She was clear that the Bible isn't univocal and that she's speaking from her tradition. If she said that the Bible is one book and that her tradition was the true tradition then I'd agree she would be speaking from both sides.

[@Zudovader]

​@TheSolPhoenix she said your not gonna find harmony in the bible over this topic. Why on earth would she follow something that she understand contradicts iself. The cognitive dissonance is unreal here.

[@Finckelstein]

Absolutely. It's just wild to hear her agree that there are many versions of the bible and that they are self-contradicting, that it was a product of the culture that wrote it, that it's not even coherent at times and that people pick and choose what they believe. She even acknowledges its inherent misogyny. And yet she believes christianity is true. What the actual heck?

[@aaronparry2636]

You can believe that there is some truth in a text while noting that there are inconsistencies at some points, too. So she could absolutely believe the bible holds some truths alongside the issues in the text. Even today, if you compare multiple books from different authors, you can often find inconsistencies. That said, she also distinguished that her Christian arguments come from her traditions, as opposed to the bible. Many ethnically Jewish people follow Jewish rites and traditions despite no belief in the Tanakh. She could essentially be seen as saying that American Baptist Christianity is part of her culture in that same sense. The community and traditions hold value for her as much (if not more) because of how they have influenced her life as any inherent value given them by the bible. It's not speaking out of both sides of her mouth. It's distinguishing between her subjective personal background and experiences, and her more objective academic studies and research.

[@Julian0101]

​@@aaronparry2636 But she is comparing her personal tradition against what is actuaIIy said in the bible (not that the apoIogist did a good job on that). I mean, i get her point, but it so weird seeing a christian aca demic saying 'the bible objectively doesnt say X, and in my subjective experience i prefer when it says Y'.

[@OldNewsIsGoodNews]

I always roll my eyes when people say "Well, the Torah/Bible/etc wasn't talking about *homosexuality,* cause they didn't understand that concept. It was just talking about ." Like, yeah, they might not have had the more fleshed out, cohesive understanding of sexuality (edit: including, if you go back far enough, not even necessarily having a word for it?) that we have today, but to say that that's not what they were talking about is kinda like saying "Well, people in the ancient world couldn't have possibly ever spoken about the sun because they didn't understand what it is/how it works the way we do now." Well, duh, _of course_ they didn't have the tools/knowledge to understand it the way we do now, but they certainly saw it _existing_ and thus _talked about it,_ even if in a very different way from how we discuss it now. And that's certainly what seems to be happening in certain parts of the Torah and the Christian Bible re: homosexuality. This is why I often say that no, it's not that religious bigots are getting their excuses out of nowhere or even twisting the words of their texts to get the results they want. The stuff is indeed there in their books. It's just that they probably shouldn't be taking advice from multi-thousand-year-old mythology on that kind of thing.

[@kristofftaylovoski60]

MY favorite is that passage about "the spilling of seed upon the ground"...

[@johnnehrich9601]

Yes, that is why an old sock is recommended.

[@lennomenno]

@@johnnehrich9601 🤣🤣

[@dms8044]

Thank you Dr. Knust for demonstrating the Olympic level of mental gymnastics you have to do in an effort to try and keep Bronze/Iron age nonsense relevant in the 21st century. I give you a “10”.

[@DLB-m3g]

You have some amazing guests. Love your channel!

[@cerad7304]

It's always fun watching a Christian mock their fellow Christians especially when it comes to their "conclusion first" approach to reading the bible. But I guess I need to go find out how this Knust character concluded that Jesus really did rise literally from the dead. No story telling there.

[@timothymulholland7905]

Sex is about property and inheritance. The concern is that the family wealth not be inherited by non family member in the man's line.

[@nilavakar8068]

Paul was the greatest manipulator in human history... He killed a man and then started a religion in the dead man's name! What a player!! What a player!!!

[@DannySmith862]

Capturing Christianity has gone full MAGA.

[@TrevonFoxxx]

“If Christianity is about spreading bad news, and hating people, then I don’t want anything to do with it” Lmfao Jenny is working overtime with this cognitive dissonance and disassociation

[@gerrye114]

Anyone else here for a weekend checklist?

[@nightshade7240]

Weird how that verse in Leviticus specifically speaks to it being about incest in the Hebrew/Aramaic. Also weird how Paul talks about "homosexuality" (beware the apologist who supports their rhetoric with anachronism) being a sin but Jesus himself says that some are born useless to a woman, whether that is by nature (born), lack of choice (castrated by the hand of man) or by choice, all three have the same value in Jesus eyes. However it seems rather provincial and demonstrably inaccurate to say that castrated boys who grew into men were not useful for any kind of sexual activity, as they were often kept for that reason, so that when a rich woman's husband was away or there was disagreement she could indulge sexually with no fear of reproduction. After all a slave is not a person in these times and is basically a human vibrator. It's also weird how apologists bang on about God's plan in marriage, when Jesus clearly doesn't like the idea at all. Almost like Yhwh isn't the Father that Jesus follows and they are two completely different entities. The final oddity is when Jesus hears from the Centurion and he asks Jesus to heal his lover (denoted in the Greek without ambiguity) and Jesus doesn't rebuke him, doesn't tell him to go and sin no more. No he turns to the crowd and says I haven't seen faith like this in all my journeying (which includes his disciples.) Then he heals the male Centurion's male lover. It's almost like all this anti gay rhetoric has no biblical foundation, as attested to by multiple scholars.

[@SNORKYMEDIA]

"Jesus himself says". A story in an old book says...

[@22beanbean]

That’s the best argument I’m heard for homosexuality being ok in the Bible.

[@gaulxtraining5444]

I'm always amazed that anyone with any form of university education, let alone a professor, can still believe in this crap. Higher education teaches you how to question the world and society's teachings; clearly she hasn't applied these skills to christianity or the idea of theism

[@Finckelstein]

She even talks about how the bible views her as her husband's property. Seriously, the disconnect here is the size of the pacific ocean.

[@Roman.Villain]

The whole video is wild. Can’t believe he put this up.

[@Julian0101]

​@@Roman.Villain She is part of the seminary (or whatever is called) that is coming, so my guess is the deal was for paulogia to find some subject she could talk about.

[@bluester7177]

​@@abcdefghijfghijthat's a lot of Christians, I don't know how it is in the US, but here in Brazil people shop for churches they feel confortable in and agree with, is basically you liked the pastor, you made friends, you stay. A lot of Catholics are Catholics in name only, my father is one because he believes in God and he grew up with it, so we follow the cultural things, I was born in the good friday, so many times I was forced to eat fish, a thing I hate on my birthday, but I've never seen in my 32 years, my father enter a church and that's true for so many other people.

[@glenn_r_frank_author]

renouncing christianity would mean she was out of a job so... yeah

[@aemiliadelroba4022]

“ why so serious !“ I love that joker line 😊❤

[@bwtv147]

That was Beetle Juice.

[@IsraelLazoPlus]

Thanks Paulogia. This is a great subject and great guest.

[@kevinriff87]

Saying homosexuality wasn't a thing until the concept was understood in the modern era is like saying there were no dinosaurs until the term was invented in the 1800's.

[@OldNewsIsGoodNews]

I didn't see your comment until well after I had made mine, but you put exactly my feelings in much better/more succinct words. Like, yeah, they might not have had the words for it yet, but that's very clearly what was being described, and that excuse (which I've heard many times from progressive Christians and ex-Christians) seems to boil down to, "Well, they're not saying being gay is bad, they're just saying that doing anything that would be the natural entailment of (and/or otherwise inseparable from) that identity is bad" without thinking critically about the obvious implications.

[@ajrsabbagh]

Right, and it would be impossible for the bible to comment on dinosaurs.

[@Nymaz]

Please watch the video again, it wasn't saying that homosexuality wasn't "a thing" as in it didn't exist, it was saying homosexuality didn't exist as a *concept* in people's minds at the time. Homosexuality (innate sexual attraction to the same sex) certainly existed, but the society didn't conceptualize it that way, so instead of writing prohibitions against homosexuality itself, they wrote prohibitions against (certain) homosexual *acts*. Its a small but important difference.

[@kahlilbt]

​​@@NymazExactly! She's not saying "homosexual behavior" wasn't a thing, she's saying "homosexuality as an innate mode of experience and an identity" was not conceptualized: all they had was an understanding of specific physical sex acts, which is a very small, limited part of what we understand homosexuality to be today.

[@simplybaker.]

Sorry, but that's fundamentally misunderstanding what the argument is. She isn't say homosexual activities didn't exist but more so talking about how people understood sex. Less about male and female and more about who was penetrating who. You see this a lot from the Greeks and romans as well where it wasn't necessarily bad for a man to be in a relationship with a man, but it was seen as inherently feminizing to be the one receiving instead of giving. Funny enough, lesbian relationships were not entirely uncommon and not exactly looked down on.

[@beanbrewer]

So SA and CSA don't make the list at all? Sounds like Christianity

[@aralornwolf3140]

They range from "perfectly acceptable" to "not permitted", to "death penalty" depending on the marital status of the "woman" and what her relationship (if any) is with the man. Keep in mind, it's perfectly acceptable for your master to buy you a wife (also a slave)!

[@DavidSmith-vr1nb]

CSA was almost actively encouraged whenever they defeated another tribe. They could take any woman who "hadn't slept with a man", and their definition of "woman" probably went down to 11-12 year olds.

[@Subfightr]

This seems like a lot of gymnastics... Or is that just my ignorance talking?

[@yeahaddigirl]

It's worth looking for ignorance in yourself just in case!

[@Aliyah_666]

I can see where you are getting the mental gymnastics from. To be fair Jenny here doesn't use the Bible as a solid guidebook as much.

[@Subfightr]

@@Aliyah_666 yeah, which is wonderful. If you're gonna jui jitsu stuff from a holy book, I would much prefer people to have her views. I wouldn't even have a problem with religion if she were the one everyone was listening to. I'm curious what, if anything she does take literally from the book. How does she know where to say "your hand shall be the first to strike them dead" is not what it means, vs "blessed is he that bashes thine enemies babies upon the rocks" is exactly what it means. I hope this makes sense, I'm in the hospital at the moment and all drugged up on... ? I don't even remember (I'm basically in here because I have no large intestine and my small intestine has stopped working) ✌️

[@yeahaddigirl]

@@Subfightr best of luck. That sounds tough

[@moodyrick8503]

*The Bible : **_Gods Big Book Of Multiple Choice Answers_** ;* As evidenced by thousands of denominations, that disagree on the interpretation, of almost everything in the Bible.

[@brunozeigerts6379]

The movie Heaven Help Us has a delightful scene with Wallace Shawn as a priest giving a lecture before a dance. He talks about being dragged to hell and tortured... and for what? Lust. After several gruesome comments, he asks, 'Any questions? No, good? Have fun, enjoy the dance!' (the excerpt is on KZbin.)

[@brianbucher1313]

Loved that movie

[@motorsr20]

6:58 so in other words, the old testiment is almost a completely different religion.

[@Chronorust]

"-I guess heaven will be empty." *ends video* 😂

[@EarnestApostate]

0:32 how did this NOT end with, "cats and dogs living together!"

[@n0etic_f0x]

Damn, I am in the realm of sexual nonexistence seeing as I don't think sin is real.

[@HowToTrainYourDuncan]

Dibs on “Sexual Nonexistence” as a band name.

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

I don't think sin is real either. It's a disease created to offer a cure from the same ones who created the disease

[@pineapplepenumbra]

@@crazyprayingmantis5596 Well, it's pretending that there's a problem, and then pretending that one has the cure which, coincidentally, then involves giving them money and power.

[@theboombody]

Most people think evil is real though. Some don't think it is, even though they'd be willing to fight against it.

[@n0etic_f0x]

@@theboombody I don’t think evil is real, not how most people describe it at least. Hell I am openly and proudly evil to a lot of people.

[@JesusLied_ReadTheBible]

Homosexuality happens in nature (sheep and bonobo monkeys are two). It’s not unnatural by definition of natural.

[@Merrick]

those are two of over a thousand known species

[@EdwardM-t8p]

​@@Merrick over 1500 in fact

[@mcr9822]

Onan was supposed to knock up his brother’s widow, so unless I’m supposed to be doing that, what happened to Onan doesn’t apply to me.

[@wmoates6029]

Looking forward to NINT coming up in 9 days.

[@fallout606]

Dr.Knust! Stoked to watch this

[@aemiliadelroba4022]

This sounds hypocritical 😮 I mean being a “ Baptist “ and going against your own Bible !😮

[@yeahaddigirl]

Not sure that "going against" a book really makes any sense. Like, the bible isn't going to stand up and be like "bro wtf, what did I just say?"

[@mugglescakesniffer3943]

Great presentation

[@considerthis7680]

I think Jenny is a great example of a retail christian. She cheery-picks the low hanging fruit of the bible. She has a particular world view and picks and choose bible passages that support her view while discarding the rest. If the biblical god is real, then Christianity doesn't work that way and there is nothing in Christianity to suggest that you are free to ignore those parts of the bible that are ludicrous. It is a package deal -- you have to accept the weird right along with the crazy. To do otherwise is to question god's divine plan.

[@bluester7177]

Who isn't a retail christian? Even if they wanted to follow every single rule in the bible, they couldn't, can you go stoning people to death without being arrested? Also, the biggest denomination of Christianity in the world, Catholicism does not believe the bible is literal, it should be read and interpreted, so this is actually not inconsistent with doctrine for a lot of people. I'm not even a Christian, I'm a non believers but atheists are just as annoying and preachy sometimes.

[@rainbowkrampus]

This entirely operates on the assumptions and dogmas of post Biblical christians, and even then only certain groups. There are problems with liberal/progressive/whatever christianity. But I think a more robust appraisal of the history of the religion would lead you to the conclusion that the argument you've made here isn't one of them. As it doesn't really stand up to scrutiny. For example, notions of Biblical inerrancy or that the Bible is the divine word of god are, rather ironically, not Biblical. They are the results of evolving dogma and mistranslations and renegotiated meanings.

[@terrydillon9323]

The Bible was written by men , a lot of them old , in dark rooms high on the poppy seed.

[@rickwilliams7431]

*The Bible = **_The words & deeds of God & Jesus_** ?* As written, spoken & interpreted from the minds of the men that _"claim" to speak for God & Jesus._ *Faith in the Bible = **_Faith in man_** .*

[@Zudovader]

Why believe a single word of the Bible if you disregard the stuff about it saying being gay is wrong? At least homophobic christians are following the bible and not making choices as to what is ok. At thay point just make your choices the whole of how you hold yourself.

[@Finckelstein]

I agree with the first sentence, but "At least homophobic christians are following the bible and not making choices as to what is ok" is just blatantly ridiculous. They pick and choose as much as she does. Do they wear mixed fabrics? Do they eat pork? Do they work on the sabbath? The bible is a buffet of BS. Some, like the Professor here pick the sweet pudding. Others like Greg Locke only ever pick the salt.

[@jeremywvarietyofviewpoints3104]

The most important thing really is to not eat a fish that doesn't have scales and fins.

[@bajojohn]

The irony of having a robot write a script for you, saying, “brothers and sisters.” Seems kinda lazy. And isn’t laziness a sin?

[@bajojohn]

@BenJones-d8p KZbin is becoming almost unusable. You can block ads or pay to have them removed, but how do you block AI content?

[@imcarlabee]

I know my parents raised me right because even at 36 it was new information to me that fornication is specifically outside of marriage. I had no idea lol

[@Forest_Fifer]

Incest? They really want to go there? Eden? Noah? Etc?

[@lylez00]

I'm an ex-Christian, but her efforts to claim the Bible doesn't say what it clearly does say is the biggest case of hand waving I've seen in a long time. This level of dishonesty undermines the integrity of the channel and lends credence to the 'you just want to sin" mantra of apologists.

[@Sam_on_YouTube]

Hey, that first verse was in my Torah Portion. Luckily, they did not make me give a speech related to my Torah Portion, as they typically do. I gave some generic speech about Israel that I DEFINITELY didn't understand in context. When I read that passage, I told my parents I was an atheist. I don't remember ever believing in God. But until I actually read the Torah, I thought at least it was a good book of morals. I actually learned to accept homosexuality from a gay teacher in Hebrew school in 2nd grade. He was a wonderful guy. We were all making fun of him for being gay, as kids in the late 80s did as a generic insult and joke. Then, one day, he told us that he actually IS gay and answered all our questions about it at an age appropriate level. And none of us ever made fun anyone for being gay again that I saw (of course I didn't go to regular school with most of those kids, so I only saw so much.)

[@pineapplepenumbra]

I've never heard of a "torah portion" before. Ironically, the abrahamic belief systems are pretty gay. I got taken to church from the year dot, and even before I knew what homosexuality was, christianity was too gay for me ("not that there's anything wrong with it" Seinfeld).

[@Sam_on_YouTube]

@@pineapplepenumbra Each week at temple you read a portion of the Torah. It's all laid out on a calendar. By the end of the year, you've read the whole scroll from end to end. Since it's kept as a scroll, your place is always marked. (Of course the congregation has it in book form, so they need to find their page.) Each week, the Bar Mitzvot (whoever turns 13 around that time) if there is one reads that week's Torah Portion. I grew up in NYC, so there were generally about 3 of us on any given week splitting it up. When I had my Bar Mitzvah, I read Leviticus 20:10-20:20, which is a list of sx crimes in order of severity. Typically, they make you give a speech about your Torah Portion. Not that week.

[@pineapplepenumbra]

@@Sam_on_KZbin Thank you for explaining that. It was bad enough getting dragged to church on Sundays, and having religious assemblies in school. No one under the age of 18 should be exposed to this brainwashing crap, it should be illegal. Still, when I was old enough to be left home alone, I wasn't forced to go to church on Sundays, so I appreciate my mum for that.

[@Sam_on_YouTube]

@@pineapplepenumbra I went to a reform temple. The Orthodox barely even considered us Jewish. Between me and my 4 siblings, we have 1 religious Jew, 2 atheists, and 2 agnostics. 2 married Christians, 2 married atheists, and only my religious brother married a Jew but both his kids are atheists. I don't think anyone in the generation below me is religious at all. And my mother told me she was an atheist when she was in her 70s. Apparently she almost told me when I told her, but kept it to herself. I wish she had told me then. Would have been a nice bonding experience.

[@pineapplepenumbra]

@@Sam_on_KZbin Israel, despite having a large population of orthodox Jews, is, apparently, one of the more secular countries in the world, overall. "I wish she had told me then." It is a shame. I was talking to a woman in a hijab, and she said that she didn't believe a word of the qur'an, but just pretended for a "quiet life". How many more people are just pretending?

[@joefuentes2977]

I like how Paul said "soft men" wont go to heaven. Basically he said no fruitcakes allowed 😂

[@yeahaddigirl]

Guess I'm f'd

[@CreezusJighst]

A verse might make it though, I'll just be sure to top before I go out😂

[@pesilaratnayake162]

I thought it was about ED...

[@wickedcabinboy]

@joefuentes2977 - Guaranteed you've never had a Claxton fruitcake. Nothing soft about them, they're like a brick.

[@EdwardM-t8p]

Come to think about it, the injunction against softies and manbeds could be interpreted as condemning all gay men both sexually active and inactive, only with Paul mentioning the inactive ones first. Of course, _he_ should talk!! Check out the academic paper, The Sexual Use of Slaves and Philemon, on-line as a PDF.

[@UranusKiller]

I need an adult! ...preferably not a Hovind, though. 😬😅🤣

[@wmoates6029]

Careful, he'll bring the hammer down. 🤣🤣

[@frostgiant6358]

Hovind will whack you off if you're athiest

[@stuartmcconnachie]

He counts as an adult?

[@UranusKiller]

@stuartmcconnachie The problem is they LOOK like adults. So if someone isn't in the know, they might mistake them for rational, reasonable adult type individuals!

[@stuartmcconnachie]

@@UranusKiller Kent wears Hawaiian shirts 24x7… Does that appear rational, reasonable or adult to you? 🏝️🤪

[@testsubject2496]

I really like Dr. Knunt's commentary.

[@welcometonebalia]

Thank you.

[@VincenzOmaha]

What a refreshing guest

[@Irisarc1]

I want to put this out there, and I don't get any response, so be it. I really, really want to participate in the upcoming conference. However, I am trying to live on Social Security disability, which does not allow me any extra expense beyond food, housing, and utilities. Is there any way available for people with intense interest but no means to get access to the conference? I don't really expect anything to come of this comment, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask. Thanks.

[@Paulogia]

There may be scholarships available. I believe there have been for some of the courses, but I'm not 100% sure how that goes. Send an email to [e-mail]

[@Irisarc1]

​@@PaulogiaOkay, thank you for the info. I will contact them.

[@shuttlemanjack]

I found Dr. Ehrman's discussion on this topic enlightening also.

[@guitarfreak7144]

Corinthians 6:9 to 10 timothy 1: 9 to 10so yeah it kinda does say homosexualality is a sin she straight up lied when she said its not in scripture .. but im an athiest and dont care altho i care that your channel gets correct facts cuase im a fan .

[@lllama138]

The amount of Christian propaganda that is AI generated is really starting to point out how prefor.ative their content and stances are.

[@Cheepchipsable]

Jut a cheap way to spam content.

[@daveolafsson2017]

Nice verbal gymnastics…

[@SapientCephalopod]

Nope. Sorry. I want to be charitable, but this level of cherry picking to keep a biblical god that has modern morals is just too dumb for further words.

[@CatDaddyGuitar]

5:50 It's not "mean", it's immoral.

[@rickwilliams7431]

*The Bible : **_Gods Big Book Of Multiple Choice Answers_** ;* As evidenced by thousands of versions/denominations of Christianity.

[@rbilleaud]

I had to visit this to get a list of all the stuff I need to try.

[@BradPrichard]

Listening to this was rough, which is not something I've ever felt with a Paulogia video before. Paul just nodding along while she acted like the Bible is totally dope and not at all regressive was painful.

[@darrinmartin1624]

King David was bisexual and Yahweh loved him so much.

[@AnnoyingNewsletters]

4:38 Leviticus is fine with *_Tops,_* hates *_Bottoms,_* in general , and would rather not think too hard about *_Power Bottoms._* 🥵

[@jeremywvarietyofviewpoints3104]

In South Park doesn't Butters say that even God is a bit bi-curious?

[@johnnehrich9601]

The loving relationship between him and Jonathan is discussed in the bible MORE than any other sexual relationship.

[@rcktneo]

​@@johnnehrich9601if I'm not mistaken, they don't kissed each other when David needed to escape from Saul? (I know that probably a kiss had a different concept in ancient times. But I can't stop to think about it)

[@johnnehrich9601]

@@rcktneo They don't kiss that way in the 1813 Pride & Prejudice either, if I remember correctly. I think it took the development and acceptance of better mouth hygiene for what we today call French kissing. On the other hand, Judas kisses Jesus as he is betraying him so it certainly had a different meaning in that context.

[@psicologamarcelacollado5863]

Loved Dr. Knust! I wanted to get her book, but I cannot read and I am limited to what is in audiobook format, and her book is not available on Audible, unfortunately. So, here is an idea for Dr. Knust's next project!