7 train Extension Promotional Video

In this video, we are going to talk about why a 7 train to Northeast Queens is long overdue.
Petition Link: www.change.org/p/us-congress-...
MTA Queens Bus Redesign: new.mta.info/queensbusredesign
Enmodal Map: github.com/jpwright/enmodal
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[@jointransitassociation]

Please read our updated plan here: www.vanshnookenraggen.com/_index/2022/05/flushing-regional-rail-extending-the-7-train/.

[@TerrierFan8906]

Love the videos! Can you post a video about how your association started, and how to join it?

[@jointransitassociation]

​@@TerrierFan8906 Although we cannot do a video, we can give the basic premise. We are a school club from Brooklyn Technical High School created to advocate for this and other extensions, and we decided to make some online content. As such, new admissions are a rather school-dependent prospect at present, although we are open to collabs.

[@Pensyfan19]

Great video. The 7 Train needs an extension to Whitestone along the former LIRR Whitestone Branch. The city in general needs more subways instead of busses.

[@Cain-x]

Would be nice to have but the residents there may push back pretty hard on it. NE Queens is mostly "low" density residential (i.e. 1-2 family houses) with some pockets of high density mixed in. They are more NIMBY than you think. A Queens bus redesign may be more reachable.

[@pbatommy]

There actually was a plan in 1924 for the IRT to take over the Whitestone Branch, and not only serve Queens, but the Throggs Neck section of the Bronx as well via a massive vertical lift bridge over the East River. The cost of converting the line to IRT standards (double tracking and eliminating grade crossings), plus the War Department (today's defense department) objecting to a massive drawbridge over that section of the East River killed the project.

[@AndrewBallProduction]

There is a mezzanine in the end of the platform which makes a extension further to queens is impossible

[@durece100]

If you want the 7 train to extend the line further, you need to support congestion pricing so that MTA could earn money and build a new line.

[@EndIessProductions]

@@durece100yes

[@pimpnamedslickback7780]

We also need a utica 5 train extension down to kings plaza. That area has about 300k people without any subway line

[@ceoofprosciutto235]

I feel like this would get finished first

[@DTD110865]

@@ceoofprosciutto235 I think there's a better chance of a Rego Park extension of the IND Rockaway line, but this would be good too.

[@qjtvaddict]

Do the full Utica ave line not a branch

[@alb12345672]

@@qjtvaddict Did you know they planned on running the IRT all the way down nostrand ave? And not end at the Junction?

[@samuelitooooo]

I'd rather see SAS go this way. Instead of Phase 4, run it via Houston St (with a cross-platform transfer to the F) and Williamsburg to relieve the L line, serve dense housing areas by Graham, Bushwick, and Flushing Aves, then run all the way down Stuyvesant and Utica Aves. This would make the subway network in Brooklyn less strictly Manhattan-centric as it would connect to more subway and bus lines that serve eastern Brooklyn and Queens.

[@daveharrison84]

Thank you for making this. More NYC neighborhoods need the subway.

[@limes2897]

we really need subways in northeast queens, the buses here come every half hour and its a transit nightmare

[@ceoofprosciutto235]

Yeah and some major streets don't even have local bus service in Northeast Queens

[@Rainb0wzNstuff]

EVERY HALF HOUR!!! ESPECIALLY IN A TRANSIT DESERTS

[@ceoofprosciutto235]

@@Rainb0wzNstuff you telling me, I wait anywhere from 10 mins to an hour for the Q31 in the morning for school

[@qjtvaddict]

The proposal adds more service frequency with some exceptions

[@samuelitooooo]

This is partially why I think Casey Stengel bus depot (the one near Citi Field next to the 7 train yard) should be expanded by repurposing surrounding car parking spaces. You'll notice many bus routes that Casey Stengel runs are infrequent. This is the norm rather than the exception.

[@ChrisRD526]

I fully support expanding the seven line to Northeast Queens.

[@TheRailLeaguer]

I have friends who live in Eastern Queens and a 7 train extension is far needed more than enhancements to LIRR stations, many of which are poorly located. It sure helps out considering that the line operating along Roosevelt and Northern Blvd would draw more ridership compared to LIRR stops in the middle of nowhere. Can you imagine? Instead of riding the bus all the way to Flushing or getting off and walking to the LIRR stops in desolate areas, one can take frequent crosstown buses to Northern Blvd or Roosevelt Avenue and whatever crosstown street you’re on and get on the 7 train for service to Manhattan, all for $2.75 and better security. The Roosevelt Avenue section would have stations at Parsons Blvd and 149th Street, and the remainder of the stations would be located at 162nd Street, Utopia Pkwy, Francis Lewis, and Bell Blvd. Ignore al the haters who think that the 7 train extension is redundant to the LIRR. It is NOT.

[@rhysott4445]

I myself live in eastern queens and having a 7 stop less than a mile away from me would save me and my family so much time, money, and stress

[@TheRailLeaguer]

@@rhysott4445 Exactly. In fact that argument can be said for many subway deserts as well (I myself live in one too).

[@jonathanchau5087]

Those are suburban single family home areas that’s all we need is more urbanization

[@TheRailLeaguer]

@@jonathanchau5087 An extension of any subway line in the area won’t negatively affect the area demographics.

[@rhysott4445]

@@TheRailLeaguer too bad most of the people in my neighborhood think a subway extension would "ruin the quiet neighborhood" and they only think of those who work close to home or on long island smh

[@kariminalo979]

Superb!! Need another video covering for a regional rail system across rhe Greater New York area. This would ease the lives of soo many commuters and save time and money. Mattias Meckler did a great map proposal for this called "Beyond local". Similar map proposal to unify the three commuter rail lines into one single core network was also made by the Transport Politic and design firm ReThinkNYC. Given the importance of urban stability across NYC this is more essential than ever imo. Cities like Paris, London, Sydney, Berlin Tokyo and Seoul have such commuter rail networks making it easier to travel through the city without having to change to other services. Would be great if you could make a video covering it.

[@thrashmetalfan85]

These are things that are overdue indeed. Whitestone, college point and the rest of the northern queens area is limited in subway service. The 7 needs to be extended there, if anything the N train should see one too. Whats also overdue is the lack of service in eastern queens. I would love to have a F extension past 179th street into Bellrose or Glen Oaks. Finally, people should be wondering why the E train "extension" in the late 80's was not extended past jamaica center into st. albans and rosedale. This was a brilliant extension that ended up as a dead end idea that may have the potential of being revived. That would lessen congestion, and bus traffic.

[@daniloevangelista5798]

Not just the 7 but I think there gotta be more eastern queens service in another places to tbh.

[@Cain-x]

Unlikely - those areas have that suburban feel (like Long Island) and may want to keep that sort of lifestyle. The Queens bus redesign is probably more palatable.

[@TheRailLeaguer]

I have mapped out four corridors that could use subway service in Eastern Queens: -Hillside Avenue (Queens Blvd IND) -Union Turnpike -Horace Harding -Northern Blvd (Flushing IRT) The first and last ones would be extensions of existing lines and can help kickstart expansion into outer borough neighborhoods. These also parallel LIRR lines (Port Washington for Flushing and Main Line with Queens Blvd) and this can also take riders off of poorly located LIRR stations).

[@westjkl9064]

I feel like this is one of many potential expansions of the NYC subway which would be amazing for so many people but the political will needs to be there. It hasn't been for a century so I'm not hopeful.

[@dwdwone]

The original plan for the 7 was to run it up Roosevelt to Sanford then along Northern Blvd to Great Neck. Robert Moses killed the plan which is why the 7 has the abrupt end at Main St.

[@ruzzelladrian907]

Buses crawl in Elmhurst, specifically at Queens Center Mall right around Woodhaven Blvd Subway Station: Q60, Q53, and Q29.

[@edwardmiessner6502]

A lot of work that really should have been carried out beginning in the 80s! 7 Line extension to NE Queens with two branches (7 & 8 Trains). Your map indicates a third branch is possible (9 Train) Extending the Second Avenue Tunnel to Lower Manhattan at least as far as Chambers Street where it can merge with the Nassau Street Tunnel Astoria Line (N & W Trains) extended to LaGuardia Interborough Connector with capacity for future extensions to the Bronx and Staten Island AirTran from LaGuardia to Jamaica Station and JFK with a wye over the expressway

[@TheRailLeaguer]

For your second bullet, the Nassau Street connection has not been chosen since it would create delays for all the lines and feed into Brooklyn lines that are already at capacity. It also has no future capacity for Queens service. In contrast, the Water Street option to Hanover Square would avoid these over capacity Brooklyn lines, provide greater coverage in Manhattan, and be better at easing congestion on the Lexington Avenue Line. Potentially this could also allow for SAS to feed into the only Brooklyn line operating under capacity: the Fulton Street Line. Also, an AirTrain solely from LGA to Jamaica and JFK would not be convenient for travelers heading to Manhattan since Willets Point is out of the way for these people.

[@ceoofprosciutto235]

As much as I agree with this, people in Auburndale, Bayside, Douglaston, and Little Neck sadly would be against it, unless the plan is to build the 7 train extension underground which would be fine tbh.

[@qjtvaddict]

No need just convert into a subway line that retains the speed of the LIRR

[@TheRailLeaguer]

The 7 train extension would almost entirely be built underground, and most plans only have it go as far as Bell Blvd.

[@kinggadm1234]

Correct.

[@jointransitassociation]

That is interesting, as for the people we talked to that live in those areas, they want the 7 to be extended to those neighborhoods. Remember that things are changing and that people are more likely to support public transit today than 30 years ago.

[@markenyou1]

As a resident of College Point. I support this!

[@leecornwell5632]

Send the 11 trains to 20th College point white stone and the 7 trains to Bayside Ave Queens.

[@alexharris2495]

The LIER from port Washington makes it to penn station in 50 minutes roughly passing through Flushing. It follows then, that any extension of the 7 eastward would need to match that time or be less. In regards to college point/Whitestone, if you find a suitable terminus for it, it could work.

[@stevenroshni1228]

It's good to not think to(o) Manhattan centric as the 7 train has transfers to Jamaica, Astoria and Brooklyn. It's also easier to transfer within the system than navigating Penn Station or Grand Central.

[@NozomuYume]

The idea would be to enable more trips, not just a fast train into Manhattan, and allow some good transfers in the process. e.g. at Court Square. Particularly with much-needed improvements/extensions to the G train, as well as a future interborough line.

[@qjtvaddict]

It can be connected to the 63rd street line and turned into a subway line with say one extra station by the inter borough express line

[@ravisriram6746]

The 7 line could have been extended as far as Bell Blvd, at the very least, a long time ago.

[@ScienceKnight]

I think there's a possibility with old LIRR right of ways that went to College point.

[@drakeil]

Faster solution: add a third track to the LIRR line there to increase the frequency of local trains so that Long Island based trains can go express into the city, make the in city fares the same as the subway with free transfers to all subway lines and buses, if necessary terminate some of these high service trains at Flushing Meadows for transfers to the 7 train to prevent congestion in Penn Station.

[@qjtvaddict]

Or route them to grand central

[@TheRailLeaguer]

Adding a third track on the line won’t work well due to a large number of residential buildings right next to the line.

[@cityplanner3063]

Triple track is bad. You can get quadruple tracks for just a little more and it has so many more benefits than triple track

[@TheRailLeaguer]

@@cityplanner3063 My plan for the Flushing Line extension, which will replace some stations on the Port Washington LIRR Branch, will make the whole thing quad track until 162nd Street. From there, the inner express tracks continue to Bell Blvd and the outer local tracks will terminate, becoming relay tracks to turn trains around.

[@TatamiDisco]

A ferry service would also be great to have in NE Queens. I live in College Point and can see the Hunts Point Bx ferry passing by daily, it's a shame it doesn't stop on the Queens side. Another affordable option would be to open pedestrian and bicycle paths on both the Whitestone and Throgs Neck bridges. Currently we only have the Q44 and Q50 buses which are not adequate, especially for those traveling to the west side of bx.

[@mingmarlama5266]

hey,great video! when I watched it the first time...I found it very useful! and that petiton you spoke of...I wanted to sign it so badly but...my parents won't let me! because we're taking a vacation in our home country which is overseas...the truth is...I'm actually a kid on my dad's account.But it dose'nt make any difference because a suport of a kid will do something as well I hope. anyway when I get back to America I may sign the petition that you metioned in the video. For now,I will try to do something that will help the 7 Train extension from a dream....into a reality.Even if the help I give to you is a little bit...I hope it will at least do something to the massive plan. I hope that in the future,commuters like myself would be able to access the new extension and there will come a day when we remember how we thought about the 7 train extension and spoke out freely about it. and when the 7 train extension in queens opens to public... it will be a example of how some dreams become reality...and it would only become reality if we work hard on achiving that dream. This would be another example of how we can make new york better for us and our community and the next generation. sorry for me making this suposed common comment to feel like a never ending page in a book! I just thought my thoughts and opinons were worth metioning!...after all,you and many other new york commuters like me are thinking the same idea... to extend the 7 train! so...yeah! goodbye for now.

[@stevenroshni1228]

Nice video. Admittedly I don't know much about Northeast Queens but it sounds like studying if 15 minute headways for LIRR Port Washington is feasible.

[@ceoofprosciutto235]

Bus service in Northeast Queens suck

[@cafelate9515]

7 train extension is the best idea. Flushing is a mad house. Now they don't allow cars in Main st so the other streets are even congested. I tried to avoid there as much as possible it is impossible to commute around there. The buses are horrendously slow.

[@Rebelnightwolfe]

Don't make the same mistake Baltimore did. Cancel a train line and completely change the bus system as a consolation prize where no real improvements have been made. We hate it.

[@edwardmiessner6502]

The state agency that did this also c@€ked up the Purple Line circumferential in Montgomery and Prince George's County. Word gets around all over the country. I'm so sorry. 😔

[@vincentperratore4395]

"Build back better?" I've heard that before, haven't I? But as far as extending the #7 Train farther eastward, that's a good idea. Go ahead!

[@pbatommy]

There actually was a proposal prior to the IND Second System, to serve Throggs Neck using the IRT Flushing line, and the former LIRR Whitestone Branch. The IRT would've taken over the LIRR Whitestone Branch, and connected it to the Flushing line. The branch would've been upgraded, double tracked, and then would've crossed the East River using a massive vertical lift drawbridge into The Bronx, and would've followed a route from Brush Avenue to Throggs Neck, similar to your proposal. Keep in mind, this plan predates the building of the Matilda Cuomo (Whitestone) Bridge, and Throggs Neck Bridge. Due to the costs of converting the Whitestone Branch into a subway line, and the War Department (predecessor to the Defense Department) not wanting a low level movable bridge in that part of the East River, those plans were scrapped.

[@Stanf954]

A better plan would be to have the LIRR City zone stations allow for the reduced fare of a subway ride from NY Penn and Grand Central. The Fort Washington Branch parallels the 7 into Flushing and then out to Great Neck. All those stops btw Willets Pt and Little Neck should be a $2.75 fare and reduce congestion on the 7 and local buses. I lived on 155th St and Northern and would walk over to the LIRR station to get into Midtown.

[@richardwilliams1064]

Great Video and the 7 train should be extended to Eastern queens.

[@andyidk]

I’m not sure if you know that the lirr exists near northern boulevard. It’s only 4.50 to go to and from any LIRR station within nyc boundaries, and also the trains are speedier, cleaner, have restrooms, and have conference chairs, the Main Street LIRR station is a 3 minute walk from the 7 at Main Street, and the same line makes about 6 stops in northeast queens where the bus service sucks. So maybe have the 7 only go as far north as college point and not to the Nassau county border since there is already rail service. And the average speed of the line is 60 instead of 30

[@americangiant1003]

Actually for most of its' run in Queens the LIRR Port Washington line is only at most about 1/2 mile (anyone can correct me if I am wrong)from Northern Blvd. Plus a couple of stations such Main St-Flushing, Broadway-East Flushing) and Bayside are all within a short walk from Northern Blvd. So I agree Andy. A better use of the monies is to just lower fares on the Pt Washington branch to attract riders from Northeast Queens. While a new spur line of the Flushing line (calling it the #8 line)can run up to College Point is the only realistic subway extension that could happen in next 20 years or so.

[@ceoofprosciutto235]

@@americangiant1003 my man forgot that Auburndale exist

[@ceoofprosciutto235]

Oh and Murray Hill exist too

[@americangiant1003]

@@ceoofprosciutto235 Oh ok. Forgot that those 2 stations you mentioned are also not that far from Northern as well.

[@DTD110865]

It doesn't go to Whitestone or College Point, though. No rail service at all has existed there since around 1930.

[@qjtvaddict]

How can a northern Blvd line to college point or crosstown line and upgraded frequency of port Washington line

[@ignacioverboten9382]

You already have most of it, it's called the Port Washington branch.

[@TheRailLeaguer]

It really isn’t much given frequencies, locations of the stations, and poor turnaround capacity on the Flushing Line (with quite a number of trains short turning at 111th Street or at Citi Field). With a 7 train extension you could have it four tracks and have half of the trains short turn at 162nd Street and the other half go the full route to Bell Blvd (skipping Parsons Blvd and 149th Street).

[@ceoofprosciutto235]

Oh and I think they can add bus services on Marathon Parkway/Commonwealth Boulevard and Douglaston Parkway/Winchester Boulevard

[@ceoofprosciutto235]

Including Bell Boulevard south of 48th avenue, and Corporal Kennedy/Oceania Streets south of 35th Avenue, extend the Q34 to Francis Lewis Blvd via Willets Point Boulevard

[@ceoofprosciutto235]

Q31A would run between Fort Totten and Jamaica, going down Bell Boulevard, 26th Avenue, Utopia Parkway, 188th Street, 58th Avenue, then following along the Q31 to Jamaica

[@RCfromtheNYC]

This looks like a legit plan. I'm also thinking of the billions it will cost and the congestion that torn-up streets will create for the decades it will take to build (I lost a business on 2nd Ave for those 3 subway stops).

[@da9618]

They also need to extend the 6 or 5 line to Co-op City, or even a commuter station there going to either Penn central and Grand Central Madison stations

[@durece100]

If M.T.A. wants to extend train lines to co-op city, New Yorkers need to support congestion pricing, the more money, the less personal cars off the road so that the MTA can get to work.

[@Cain-x]

This extension is a pipe dream. NE Queens is more "suburban" and the NIMBYism is strong - the residents there mostly want to keep that area as is. That money is better served for the transit deserts in Brooklyn and towards the Interborough Express (former Triboro RX)

[@TheRailLeaguer]

Not really. It’s only once you get past Bell Blvd where the whole area is suburban. A lot of transit expansion plans for ten Flushing Line see the route going as far as Bell Blvd.

[@dwdwone]

Sadly you are correct.

[@Demopans5990]

2 years later and NE Queens turned into Flushing with little of the suburban character anywhere close to the main roads

[@Cain-x]

@@Demopans5990 Downtown Flushing has been expanding but suburban areas still flourish in NE Queens like Whitestone and Bayside. Are you referring to Northern Blvd? From 150 St and up, the nice suburban homes still exist a block away from the main road.

[@bennythepenny5831]

Make more videos like this!

[@AI_Image_Master]

Where you drew your line to extend the 7, isn't that where the LIRR goes in Northeast Queens.

[@shirknado7953]

@@DerrickTan74 Yes, but replicating existing infrastructure is a waste of resources. It is much cheaper to improve service quality and frequency on the LIRR Port Washington Branch than to build a whole subway line just blocks away from an existing heavy rail line.

[@TheRailLeaguer]

A number of LIRR stations on the Port Washington Branch are in the middle of nowhere, so a 7 train extension would serve more people.

[@putsomehotsauceonmyburrito3407]

We need a TRUE Northern Blvd line (from Manhattan to Springfield Blvd and Northrn) , more so than a 7 train extension.

[@ISlayyy.4445]

How would it work tho it has to lines so

[@silverskyscraper1179]

The MTA won’t send NYC Transit trains into those areas you mentioned. Maybe the MTA can put more stops on the Long Island rail Road branch.

[@TheRailLeaguer]

The Port Washington Branch already serves the area and as it stands now, ridership in Northeast Queens and Southeast Queens stops are lackluster. Only Bayside and Broadway see much of the line’s Northeastern Queens ridership. Everyone else has lackluster service, due to their crap locations. In contrast, a potential Flushing Line extension would operate on the more populated Northern Blvd corridor, which is more conductive to both bus transfers and walking.

[@kinggadm1234]

@@TheRailLeaguer you’re failing to take into account socioeconomic factors

[@TheRailLeaguer]

@@kinggadm1234 What do you mean?

[@kinggadm1234]

@@TheRailLeaguer those neighborhoods do not want subway terminals as they ultimately lead to undesirable individuals hanging out, like the homeless.

[@TheRailLeaguer]

@@kinggadm1234 Really, because I’m pretty sure that subway extensions do not bring crime into neighborhoods? When the 7 train was extended to Hudson Yards and the N and Q to the Upper East Side, crime and homelessness didn’t go up in these neighborhoods.

[@iron_lion940]

there was a proposition to make in city LIRR trips cost $2.75 which doesn't sound bad

[@IlDiavolo2515]

It doesn't, but commuter rail runs on a different timetable than the subway. Waiting, say, 25 minutes for an LIRR reason at 10 am doesn't seem worthwhile in my opinion at least.

[@henrymanzano2201]

At the very least,the 7 should be extended in Manhattan,going down 10th Avenue,all the way to 14th Street,where a stop for the L could be built,connecting those two lines. The stops could be 28th,23rd, maybe 18th and 14th. A station at 41st and 10th Avenue would have been great too

[@TheRailLeaguer]

Or have the L train come up 10th Avenue to 72nd Street.

[@leecornwell5632]

Have the 11 trains to at 14 street Hudson yards and 20 college point whitestone while the 7 Flushing line be extended to Bayterrence Queens.

[@qolspony]

Extending the #7 into the #6, which should be extended to Coop City. But that is way to visionary for the MTA. So the best we would get is a branch to far Northern Eastern Queens. And that right there is acceptable. Extending a branch into the Bronx would create an interborough link that is so badly needed between the two boroughs. Yes! It would be expensive, but it is a worthwhile expense for the people using the Q44 and QBx1. To sweeten the deal, the #1 will be brought from the Van Cortland Park all the way to Coop City. All three lines (1,6,7) are short enough that it wouldn't be aggravating for train personnel. Meanwhile, connecting the "D" and "4" is crucial to make this work. D to White Plains Road to 2s Burke Avenue and an underground passageway (or Mall) that will connect 4s Mosholu Pkwy station with the #1.

[@IlDiavolo2515]

A passageway or mall from Mosholu to the 1 won't happen due to length and crime issues. The D if I'm not mistaken was supposed to go towards Burke but the Dyre Avenue line killed that. Let's be honest, if it doesn't go yo Manhattan, the MTA won't build it. As it is, the Second Avenue line was supposed to go to The Bronx in order to replace the Third Avenue line, but instead it turns on 125th towards Lexington. As usual, The Bronx gets nothing.

[@qolspony]

@@IlDiavolo2515 crime, interesting. But it won't happened based on the terrain is in this area. And there is nimbyism if the line is elevated or goes through the park The #1 is in a valley. To past Sedgwick Avenue, there is a major elevation. Walking .. I have to use a series of stairs. So it would have to be deep tunneled or extremely elevated (like a 15 story building to make this approach. It would have to be a gradual incline from at least 231st Street (maybe even 225th Street). It is that complicated and that is part of the expense. So it would have to be underground for it entire length from 238th Street to Co-op City. So the cost of constructing this line is not worth the resources, because the amount of expect patronage does not justify it. People will continue to use alternative means so it is kind of a mute point. The "D" on the other hand sounds like a plan even though the milage is an issue for me and there is really no where to short turn trains. There is no Manhattan terminal like the Broadway BMT and 8th Avenue IND. So you have something similar to the "A" line which have many short turning options. WTC and Euclid Avenue. Had the #1 been better situated, it would be the best option because of it shorter route. Even though it is a local, it would connect to enough services to make that a mute point. Besides, most of all the lines run local services in the Bronx. It's just that the #1 has to work it way back north to get to 238th Street, which is very north of Co-op City. There is no straight line across when you talking about NYC. There are many areas of Westchester county that is south of NYC. Pelham Manor is south of many parts of Riverdale. Riverdale is about a half a mile north of the #2 Wakefield. So if they ever decide to extend the #1 line to the border, it would be the most northern line. But 242nd is still more north than the #4 Woodlawn station. Let me shut up.

[@qolspony]

@@IlDiavolo2515 "The Bronx Gets Nothing" It gets nothing because the people in the Bronx wasn't willing to throw down some money and hire some lawyers to force the MTA to build the line in the Bronx. They did not get behind some powerful business people who have the ability to move mountains. The left it up to politicians and contractors to get the job done. And of course they would take the worse case scenario even though it makes absolutely no sense. Had the line went straight up into Third Avenue, a very important connection between the 2/5/6 would have been made. (I'm giving them a break on this one) But maybe since they saw it was not going to connect to the #4 line, they saw it as a bad idea. Other than the #6 line, the #4 carries a larger bulk of the Lexington Avenue passengers compare to the #5.

[@DanSolo871]

First I suggested years ago that the old RKO Keith be converted into a Port Authority type bus terminal for the many lines in Flushing. While it may not make sense to service every bus line in the area as a terminal, it could take buses off the local streets to discharge passengers at a station. Of course the block the RKO Keith is on will need to be taken over by eminent domain but it’s location to discharge buses is quite optimal. Now for extending the 7. Honestly, I’m not sure that does improve service. The 7 is overcrowded as it is and it only travels to Main Street. There will be no way this one line will be able to take on more passengers stretching to Little Neck and College Point all by itself. Another line would have to be extended or created, perhaps to branch from the E, F, M routes to either run along Northern Blvd heading East or turning up 53rd St and then to 31 Ave heading East to Astoria Blvd and then points East. Maybe such an extension could be the G train or the V is brought back to do the route. The 7 alone will not benefit commuters.

[@TheRailLeaguer]

Extending the 7 will not affect crowding levels too much. Most of the traffic at Flushing-Main Street is actually riders coming to/from buses from the outer ended, and with the extension, these riders will be able to get the train sooner rather than ride all the way to Flushing, dropping ridership at Flushing-Main Street. As such, crowding levels on 7 trains leaving Main Street will be the same after the extension.

[@samuelitooooo]

I'm leaning towards further extending the BMT Astoria line where many, many people already demand an extension to LGA. The longer station spacing and fewer stops compared to the 7 local would make it a compelling option, I think, if routed to College Point and Whitestone, intercepting bus riders that were on their way to the 7. Also don't many airport workers live in College Point and Whitestone?

[@samuelitooooo]

​@@TheRailLeaguer​This eliminates one transfer though, which is one point for convenience, and if this results in time savings, this could attract ridership, helped by the fact that the 7 already runs like water in terms of frequency.

[@davidng2336]

I like this, but if the 7 i going to be extended from Main Street, that station would require significant renovations as there is a mezzanine beyond the current dead ends of the tracks. What I think does need to be done is the NJ extension.

[@qjtvaddict]

No need RER the NJT or if 7 goes to NJ have it go to areas not near the NJT mainline like Hoboken ect or jfk blvd

[@TheRailLeaguer]

@@qjtvaddict That’s still NOT enough. Also, any extension of the 7 to New Jersey will serve both Secaucus Junction and areas that are currently not served by NJT or PATH, such as the center of Hoboken, Weehawken, and Bergen Hill.

[@TheRailLeaguer]

David, perhaps both needs to be done. An NJ extension and a extension to Northeast Queens can help ease congestion overall, both in the Lincoln Tunnel and on Northeast Queens Streets. Anyone who tells you that a 7 subway extension to NJ is not needed since commuter rail and PATH can “do better” is straight up lying to you. Those two are woefully inadequate to ease Lincoln Tunnel congestion.

[@davidng2336]

@@TheRailLeaguer we DEFINITELY need a 7 train to NJ. The NEC will be f***** in the next few years if this doesn’t happen. At one point, it was proposed to bring the Canarsie Line to Hoboken near the Palisades, but this doesn’t look like it’s happening anymore.

[@TheRailLeaguer]

@@davidng2336 Yeah I agree. However, for the Canarsie Line, contemporary plans have the line go up 10th Avenue to 72nd Street. But from here, a New Jersey Extension could be possible here by having the line go west on 79th Street, and continue into New Jersey serving western Bergen County, stopping at Meadowlands to serve American Dream, and meeting the NJT at Rutherford, with the potential to go into Passaic. This would provide another direct ride to the Meadowlands and ease congestion on the Meadowlands NJT Spur, which has suffered from game day delays. This could also spur some additional job growth on the Far West Side as well.

[@alansilverman8500]

Will it relieve the bus congestion? In other words, does the plan include reducing or eliminating some bus lines...?

[@TheRailLeaguer]

Yes, as some bus lines will no longer enter Flushing with a earlier subway extension.

[@ernestschultz5065]

Dream on

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[@r.d.9399]

Manhattan must be needing more worker bees

[@Hilder78]

Yeah you get that after Jersey city gets fucking ANYTHING other than the $16 a shot Holland tunnel that’s closed down every other day now 11-5am

[@GoodbyeR33]

This is the exception from 2010

[@johnbruetsch8739]

Extend the 7 train to the Nassau border is the solution to traffic congestion in the area.🇺🇸

[@TheRailLeaguer]

I have proposed extending the Flushing Line to Little Neck Parkway, while it does have some benefits, the fact that northern Douglaston and Little Neck are suburban in nature (in some resemblance to Long Island, which is right next to these neighborhoods) doesn’t make it worth the whole to do it as of yet. I do have the middle portion of these neighborhoods served by a Horace Harding Line in a later phase. As of now, what can work is extending the Flushing Line to Northern Blvd and Bell Blvd via Roosevelt and Northern, replacing the Murray Hill and Auburndale stations on the LIRR. Meanwhile the LIRR fares within all five boroughs of New York City will be dropped to the subway fare level of $2.75, providing an affordable rail option for Northern Douglaston and Little Neck riders to drive to. Perhaps in the long run, should things change and the HHE line is either not built yet or is already overwhelmed, the Flushing Line can be extended to Little Neck Pkwy.

[@Amiri_Francis]

Here’s an idea I have for a flushing line extension build a 10th Avenue 42nd Street station and extending flushing further south to Chelsea 23rd Street an area which is developing with many office and business buildings more job opportunities are growing so a another Manhattan station will be needed. but East Queens is the REAL transit desert Flushing is in dire need of improved subway transportation. The 7 train is seeing continued growth and with the introduction of CBTC signalling it is able to run more trains per hour. the 7 train was supposed to extend further into Northeastern Queens to serve College Point, or Bayside. However, funding for the extension dried up during the Great Depression. Since Main Street was never designed to have this many riders it meant dangerous backups at the station and the surrounding streets. This makes it hard for Flushing residents to walk or drive on the surrounding streets, which decreases their quality of life. So I all in for a northeast queens flushing line extension. I noticed on the IND second system track map there were calls for extensions either to College Points or Bayside what extension I believe is necessary, BOTH. Both area are transit deserts that need subway service. However doing so will cause confusion for what northern terminal the 7 train will head to. I heard that flushing riders are already confused on which 7 train is local and which is express. So to prevent another A train like Rockway or Lefferts dilemma I propose splitting the current single Flushing service into two services by creating a new 9 train. All train would now be labeled as 9 trains a win win for everyone since people on flushing will FINALLY be able to tell the locals and expresses apart from each other much easier. Express service would run at rush hour, as it does now. College Point Branch The current 7 train would be extended to College Point Blvd via 149th Street and 11th avenue stopping at Bayside 32nd avenue 25th avenue 19th avenue 14th avenue Malba Dr 132nd Street And finally College Point Blvd Bayside Branch The new proposed 9 train route would run down 221 Street Bayside via Station Road and 39th avenue stopping at Northern Blvd 162nd Street Utopia Parkway Francis Lewis Blvd 210th Street Bell Blvd And finally 221st Street Bayside And there that’s how you do a Flushing extension

[@RichieD_21]

This would be amazing!

[@IlDiavolo2515]

That's interesting because looking at the design of Main Street, I've always thought that it wasn't designed as a terminal station because of its 3 track layout.

[@yjlconductor]

There are purple 11's on the R62 rollsigns that could potentially be used for this service.

[@TheProSpyOfPiggy]

They should make a 11 Train for this

[@matthewadonis3020]

Or a brand new 9

[@yjlconductor]

It's already there.

[@tasniaislam3951]

The current bus system in THE WHOLE EASTERN SIDE OF QUEENS(where trains don't reach) is a fcking nightmare for residents. I wish they created more limited and express busses because sitting on the bus that has no limited-service line, has my ass hurting because the whole route is over an hour to reach the trains in jamaica. I spend 2 hours going to work and 2 hours coming back. this is ridiculous.

[@zhenhuang983]

Just extend M train to Flushing 7 Line

[@savionmjallyeiither42luvr]

Umm ok

[@matthewadonis3020]

If this happened the 7 would need to convert more R142A’s to R188’s

[@dwdwone]

It's not going to happen because of Nimbys and costs. Everyone in Queens has channeled their inner Robert Moses. Too bad since we in Flushing have what is in reality half a subway line.

[@putsomehotsauceonmyburrito3407]

A Bayside- Manhattan Northern Blvd line would be much better

[@amigochevere5217]

Chinese people plans to build a downtown in Flushing, they will oppose any extension

[@nicolasblume1046]

7 train extension to NJ is way more important

[@matthewadonis3020]

That will never ever happen not even in your dreams NJ has nothing to do with NY

[@qjtvaddict]

It’s not use NJT and PATH

[@TheRailLeaguer]

@@qjtvaddict Are you joking? NJT and PATH won’t do anything to relieve Lincoln Tunnel congestion.

[@robotx9285]

@NYC Pokemon Fan For the love of God just trow anything into NJ, The L, 7, E, 1,W-ANYTHING! The Lincoln Tunnel is such a hell hole during rush hours that it's like a peice of LA teleported to NY.

[@diorme9941]

Q65 Q25 Q88 Q46 all suck I hate going to northeast queens cause in southwest queens the Q11 Q53 Q10 Q7 Q54 are way better.

[@robertlop5]

Once again we need to get rid of these Transit deserts that exist in the Boroughs. The 7 extension would be great. College Point has no subway service. That's not fair for residents . They have no real choices. Buses are a poor choice. Why not give them a subway?

[@roadtrip2943]

Local govt is a high price jobs program for the politically connected . Nyc can't operate annually with less than a 100 billion

[@TheYoungYoungster]

L

[@sylonisupport68]

Not just the 7. The Q needs to be extended (as phase 3 and 4) from 125th Street to the Bronx along 3rd Avenue. It can run as an elevated line just like it did in the past. The Bronx needs more subway lines. It's more underserved than the East side below 59th Street in Manhattan.

[@marshmelloesv2892]

They should extend the D to Co op city along gun hill road. Then I wouldnt have to walk a mile to the 2 and 5 and I could get to bay plaza quicker

[@kirkrotger9208]

Phases 3 and 4 of the 2nd Ave Subway are sending it down to Houston and the Financial District.

[@TheRailLeaguer]

Much of the Bronx is already heavily developed so a tunnel would be more likely than an elevated structure.

[@sylonisupport68]

@@TheRailLeaguer With more reason, the Bronx needs more subway service. Buses alone don't do justice and traffic is really bad, especially going from east to west and viceversa.

[@TheRailLeaguer]

@@sylonisupport68 Which is why it needs to be done in a tunnel, not on an elevated structure.