73. The UFO Episode

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Paul and Stephen are joined by intrepid investigative journalist Leslie Kean - the very journalist who broke the groundbreaking 2017 UFO story to The New York Times and introduced the world to the Pentagon’s UFO videos. Leslie unveils the intriguing story of Luis Elizondo, the former head of the Pentagon program responsible for the investigation of UFOs-now known as Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP).
Elizondo released groundbreaking videotapes of pilots' first-hand encounters with UFOs, including the white “Tic Tac” shaped unidentified flying object the public often sees alongside news stories of UFOs. Leslie recounts how Elizondo actually found documentation from the 1940s and 50s that describe the same Tic-Tac shaped objects, and discusses the existence of underwater submerged objects, adding a whole new depth to the UFO narrative. And did you know that official, legislated language has expanded to include sightings of this broader phenomena? Then, Jacques Vallee’s and Carl Jung’s perspective on extraterrestrials, and does anyone think these are literally aliens or another unexplained psychological phenomenon? Famed ufologist Bud Hopkins and Harvard Psychiatrist John Mack get their due, and where does Leslie stand on alien abduction phenomena?
Later, the trio dive into accounts from individuals who claim to have had extraterrestrial experiences. Is whistleblower David Grusch more reliable than Bob Lazar? And what motivated the Department of Defense to create the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO)?
Tune in to this thrilling Chinwag with Leslie Kean and dive into the ocean of UAPs and soar high into the cosmos of possibilities!
Chin-word of the Week: ANOMALOUS
Paul Giamatti is an award-winning actor and producer. Stephen Asma is a professor and author specializing in the philosophy of science, religion, and art.
Leslie Kean is an investigative journalist who co-authored a series of groundbreaking stories on UFOs for The New York Times from 2017 to 2022. She is the author of two books: UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record and Surviving Death: A Journalist Investigates Evidence For An Afterlife which was turned into a Netflix docuseries.
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[@TheSeventhZombie]

“I’m your commanding officer!” ….channeling his new Star Trek role? 😂

[@deepset]

Getting stuck into this now, thank you all.

[@OffRampTourist]

Great way to start the day. Thanks!

[@m.d.kosemund9034]

I can't describe the relaxation I get from this podcast. Thinking for Thinking sake is so much fun. Even just recognizing "earworms" and listening to ridiculous theories. Thanks to these guys just living enough to help me remember being a human.

[@RSEFX]

My first CHINWAG. And a perfect one to start with! Have you ever devoted an episode toward a discussion of the writer David (VOYAGE TO ARCTURUS, THE HAUNTED WOMAN, THE SPHINX etc) Lindsay? Now THAT would be uber-interesting indeed.

[@judyperodeau4945]

Thanks. Awesome conversation today

[@RSEFX]

Could the deceased be capable of building "etherial" ships that allow them to break the "death barrier" , so to speak (or "afterlife barrier", to re-visit this side of existence? (Just spit-balling here, ha. But....who knows?)

[@MichaelRath-t9s]

So wot about the Daleks! Exterminate!😅

[@vashmeister]

Terrific episode! I have such appreciation for Leslie Kean's research and experience. Paul, the earworms are firmly in my head and my people will be in touch. 😂😂😂

[@BillHalliwell]

G'day Paul & Stephen, fantastic conversation with Leslie Kean whom, as a fellow journalist (retired), I admire greatly. One surprising reference made by Leslie at the top of her interview was the suggestion she didn't think all this was, "... about aliens...". OK, yes, there are other manifestations of weirdness apart from 'nuts & bolts' craft spotted in the sky, etc. Like the serious studies into general 'paranormal' incidents that could have 'spiritual' or psychological aspects., Given that, now, thanks to the earlier work by Leslie, and many others, it's pretty well established that objects seen in the sky are 'intelligently' operated. It is also a given, I think, that humans have not, as yet, been able to create a flying craft that makes no sign of propulsion, exhaust and are able to move in ways that would be deadly to human occupants. Pardon me if I've missed something in the last 16, or so, years of research and reading I've put into this topic; but where else might these 'craft' be operated and/or created if not by entities not born on Earth? As much as I would like to believe that these craft might originate from the US but as of now, I can't see that being the case... unless there are a handful of extremely secretive folk in the military or private aerospace who have made face to face contact with 'aliens', nobody knows if they are real BUT we still haven't proven that these 'special craft' seen on radar and by countless eye witnesses are from Earth either. So, if the speculation is that it is, "... not about aliens...", then what is it all about? I played that part of the podcast back again a couple of times and that's, clearly, what her suggestion was. I'm only halfway through 'Imminent' so, I must get back to that. Thanks for this interesting podcast. Cheers, Bill H. P.S. As the first part of my journalism career was as a film and theatre critic/reviewer, Paul I've got to take this opportunity to say your acting is consistently, truly outstanding. All the best, Paul, your 70-year-old 'fanboy'. 😉

[@herculeholmes504]

2:00 I'm convinced that there is such a thing as silent Tourette's Syndrome. A tune, a phrase, a jingle; something that pops into your head. I'm sure it's a stress/relief thing.

[@YouTube-tied]

I'm with you up to a point. I think there is a more apt comparison than Tourette's. Food for thought *%#@!!!! Whoops, sorry. Tourette's.

[@labrabear]

Good Morning! ♥

[@RSEFX]

Wait!---you say you don't think anyone thinks these are alien visitors from another planet?That's hardly something that can be said so definitively. And, of course, if people say they are time travelers, then, well crossing space would be easy, ie if time travel is real, aliens can get here just as easily as future humans. Or maybe the UFO's are the dead come back in some other form> Now that would be weird.

[@thewrinklingbrothers]

Interesting episode. I so do want to believe in ET visitation whatever examination there might be, but I think I'm going to have to see one myself. I get so disappointed with proponents like her that proceed with huge assumptions, say something is 100% true without proof, dodge direct questions like a politician, and claim government conspiracy. That's when they lose me. Ot sort of becomes dogma on par with religion.

[@richardminish9952]

Im so glad I found your channel I have always loved your work

[@j.burton5220]

Great conversation! Thanks, guys. Learned quite a bit.

[@wordzfailmebro]

Got her book for $2.. at a second hand store.. .for sale.🐨👍

[@dev_john_]

I could hear Leslie talk for hours. Thanks for doing this!

[@RSEFX]

Maybe i the UFO's are Maskull and friends, returned?

[@VIBEROCKS96]

Deku is the UFO

[@herculeholmes504]

I like Leslie Kean, but I think she should be very cautious about Luis Elizondo; IMO, that guy is more likely to be a disinformation agent, or at least a grifter, than he is to be a genuine reliable source. As for Whitley Strieber, well, I loved the movie, but apart from that, he's an out and out flim-flam man and teller of tall tales.

[@lolcatyo3649]

And you are either a disinformation agent yourself or have believed the disinformation of other agents. Hope it’s the former and you know the truth.

[@YouTube-tied]

As for Strieber, yeah I heard from some residents in Buckley, WA that knew of him back when he wrote Communion and said he was sketchy. I had occasion to spend time with these people in the late 80's and they were quite free with their opinions and stories about him. Memory fades but they weren't very charitable.

[@bugsyboy5323]

You’re are wrong. Luis Elizondo is an American patriot and if you haven’t read his book Imminent, I suggest you do so before passing judgement. The man’s got integrity to the ninth degree. As for Whitley Striebers experience it’s just one in a long list of abductee accounts. He had the courage to share his story with his powerful book Communion with that unforgettable alien gray on the cover. It was the starting point for many UFO researchers. I have been at this for more than 25 years and have listened to and read so much on the topic and there’s now no denying our visitors existence and what’s really is going on.

[@SuperJamesus]

We need a chinwag book club and recommend reading list. Really need a list of the bonfide great authors. I’m going to be getting in to her books after this now ❤