+75mph Lamborghini of Escooters But is the Rion Apex Worth It?

Is the Lamborghini of Electric Scooters Worth It? We review the Rion Apex from Rion Motors and Alien Rides.
The Rion scooters are the most requested eScooter that Andrew and I get asked to review. We had to travel to LA to get the opportunity to test them, but our trip was well worth it.
In this review, we test and review the Rion Apex as we head up to Griffith Observatory.
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[@Andrew-vt4jt]

I wanted to correct something that I mispoke on. There is actually suspension on the Rion Apex. The Rion Apex uses urethane suspension in the rear that is molded for the specific scooter and rider. The suspension helps in two ways: It helps with vibrations and keeps it stable at high speeds. The suspension is not soft; it is made to be stiff since the scooter is designed for high speeds and tight cornering.

[@rietzhu]

Yea when I heard that I was like... I'm looking at a suspension system, right now.. 😆 but pretty cool scoot! 😎

[@EssPhour]

I kept looking at the back of the scooter checking out the swing arm, expecting you to talk about it, I was watching it, and was thinking, that looks a lot like a swing arm for a suspension, I wonder why it would have one if it didn't have a shock of some sort back there, then I thought maybe this is a in between model and they hadn't chosen a shock to go with the system yet, ...I gotta believe at some point they will have a front suspension also, If I were to venture a guess they have been looking for sometime, they just haven't come up with something that meets their performance and quaulity standards yet. Thanks for sharing it, reviews or overviews out there are really sparse.

[@williamcopeland2617]

I never really considered it suspension. Moreso, just something RION uses to keep vibrations to a minimum.

[@erickspears1889]

@@EssPhour brother smell the roses. You have no clue what you're talking about kindly. They will never ever be a shock on a Rion. But nonetheless great video

[@_StigsJAcousin]

What about the people still waiting for over a year for their scooter that’s now discontinued… only top KZbin channels even get access. You cannot even order the curve throttle anymore 👀. I see tough times ahead for Rion

[@marcobritti272]

Hi Marco here, I have purchased a RION a year ago and spent over $6,500. I owned and tried so many scooters and I thought this was gonna be the best of the best only to realized that the product is only a concept, not ready for the public and just greedy for money. My RION experienced several defects and got shipped back 2 times from NY to LA to Gal’s shop without ever getting fixed. Now, after 2 years of repairs, Gal, the owner, and his techs don't pick up calls anymore, good luck with service and good luck with the $6,500. It’s a shit show, put your $6,500 in Treasury Bills and you’ll make 4.2% and won’t have to deal with such a fake product. If anyone wants to buy it from me I’ll sell it for HALF of what Gal says is worth it!

[@koreanqpatriot4595]

Which model is it? And what were the defect? I've been considering purchasing the Apex but after seeing so many bad reviews, having second thoughts. Also, there's barely any videos of Rion owners on youtube. Surprising you received yours

[@marcobritti272]

@@koreanqpatriot4595 the 90 model, STAY AWAY FROM RION, SAVE YOUR MONEY !!

[@koreanqpatriot4595]

@@marcobritti272 Will do. I'm just gonna get the X Limited

[@Jonathan-e9q]

It's crazy that escooters that I use are all useless and pathetic. Just stick to saving up for a Suron or a cheaper ebike😂

[@PTKirkw]

For almost $7K...They BETTER throw in those "bells and whistles"! (They're KRAZY)

[@orustusamunade8936]

For real tho!!!

[@vladimirmirkovic7594]

Most scooter companies resell cheap, ready-made Chinese scooters, so it’s easy to charge a premium for slapping on cheap bells and whistles. It’s also more important, since the bells and whistles are what distinguish their resold scooter from another company reselling the same scooter. Although it’s a lot of money to buy RION scooters, the people working there might be too occupied with manufacturing the actual scooter to set up a process for procuring, attaching, testing, etc of bells and whistles on all their scooters. Seems like there isn’t much competition for them anyway, so there’s less need to distinguish themselves

[@bighomieJ5X]

It's made in the USA that's why , we have high overhead cost . If that same scooter was made in the Philippines or Taiwan u could easily knock off $2-$3k

[@orustusamunade8936]

But I'm waiting for yall to compete with the KING OF ALL SCOOTERS THE WEPED DARK KNIGHT, watcha waitin for????????????

[@rionmotors1459]

Thanks guys! You’re awesome ⚡️

[@eucridez2062]

You guys at rion should take a shot at a euc i bet it would be a best seller

[@eucridez2062]

@@ScootGgg why all the hate ? I would pay more for something made in the states or canada

[@josipbergman682]

Can i get one Rion pls,awesome scooter,amazing design and performance. Never seen something like Rion...

[@Antony--DIY]

@@ScootGgg my friend I'm with you 100%..!!👏👏 RION scooters are overpriced...!! They are not scooters for everyday... Also not for high speeds..!!! Do you know why Rion still sell the scooters..?? Because selling the "American dream" to American people...!!!😉 If RION factory was in Germany or France or EU... For sure they was lowered their prices to be competitive, or they was already Close...!!! But anyway... No one makes you buy one.. is free market and everyone can do whatever he wants..!! You can see it from an other side... Some people paying allot of money for a Paint to have it in their living room and see it... So with the same way buy a Rion, stick it to your living room an have it as a peace of art....😇😁😁 Just for the record.. I race with a RE60 for 500 meter and passed it..!!😁😅 I have a cheap Chinese scooter "UPGRADE" cost me 2000 - 2500 € (or dollars is almost the same).. No hard feelings... No. Jellus... Just the truth!!!🙏

[@myplaxismodelisbetterthanyours]

Where is my scooter, been waiting almost 3 years

[@KiziEwheels]

Great reviews guys. Looking forward to checking out the apex to confirm if it’s really worth the price change of $5000 to $7000. We appreciate the efforts you guys put in to create this videos.

[@Andrew-vt4jt]

We appreciate the support. Your videos are awesome and we love the work you put into it!

[@DocUltimate]

That’s amazing. Thank you for being able to review it. Damn this is a rare one haha Can’t wait to get mine soon 😭 It was relatively expensive, but I’m Happy to support a local world class company all the way.

[@freshlycharged]

Would love to hear your thoughts when you get it!

[@DocUltimate]

@@freshlycharged oh yes definitely 👍🏾

[@silvercrystal3]

@@DocUltimate hey mate, welcome to the Rion-club. I was wondering something.. I've ordered not the Apex but an 88.2V Rion Thrust back then in mid 2021 but sadly have yet to get my hands on it up to this day, almost 1.5y later.. And since I have no access to the Rion facebook group, exchanging experiences with other customers is a rare good for me, you know. So I wanted to ask if you could keep me up to date when you get any new intel from Rionmotors on your order of the Apex? My last statement from them is that they are currently facing supply-issues of the Tronic controller, hence why delivery stopped, but that's just their statement so it would really help if I had some point of view from the customer's side. Thank you.

[@orustusamunade8936]

@Blade But Why, WHY WHY WHY on earrrffffff would you waste your money on this ugly contraption lol

[@DeBassHead]

this review sounds SOO SPONSORED, i see a lot of flaws there but since you guys seem to have got paid for this AD you guys said nothing but positive things

[@BabylonPatrol]

guns for hire! just advertising...

[@CHI_312]

He said in a recent video he loved the scooter but people have been complaining on customer service and long waits plus the cons

[@superprim12]

I have the RION RE 60s AND HAVE NEVER LOOKED BACKED!! GAL I will definitely be looking to upgrade!! It takes time to make BUT Holly ship. Well worth it!!

[@jaycarl1562]

There is a 6 month production time because nobody really wants to pay that much for a scooter. Now the Wolf King GT Pro is priced right and very reliable.

[@voltagemotowerks]

Great review guys!! 🤙🏽🛴‼️love it❣️

[@Rafael-ri2ft]

Looks amazing, but also the handlebars look really short as does the deck. Nice to see ingenuity, seems so many other scooters are variants of the same thing and all made by the same manufactures with different decals.

[@deridionentertainment]

YES GUYS FINALLY YOU GUYS GOT ONE. I preordered mine back in April 2022 so cant wait to get mine and make a review on it but who knows when ill get my hands on it. estimate delivery time was september.

[@ErikWilliamsviolin]

Not trying to be pessimistic, but you should mentally prepare yourself to wait a lot longer than September to receive yours. I ordered a Thrust back in Feb 2021, and still waiting.

[@keithfoidel2333]

I agree with Eric totally, i’ve purchased my Rion thrust in September 2020 and I waited 8 1/2 months to get it and within the first two hours ride time both controllers burned up and also the battery and throttle needed replacing and when I finally got it back from Rion motors It ran well for two months and then both controllers burned up again and now I have been waiting 11 months with no definite date to get it back, so what Eric said be prepared to wait

[@ErikWilliamsviolin]

@@keithfoidel2333 I don't know what's worse: getting it quickly and having it break, or just waiting indefinitely! I wonder if some of the delays are due to having to find a good replacement for the faulty controllers.

[@Third_eyee]

@@keithfoidel2333 wow for 8,000 dollars you would think the controllers would be a bit better, i'd be so mad if that happened

[@silvercrystal3]

@@ErikWilliamsviolin same story here mate. Am waiting for the new version of the Thrust since May 2021, so 3 months less than you. Can you keep me up to date when you get new intel on your order? As of my messaging with them, Rion is currently facing supply shorts of the new TRONIC controllers, hence the reason why delivery slowed down, so only god knows when ppl will eventually get their hands on that stuff.

[@jamalfadesemall9275]

Made in the USA. Love to see that in this space with this tech. Rion is AMAZING!!! Hope the front facing CSR is all American as well. Keep up the great work Jimmy, Andrew, Alien Rides and Rion Motors. What a time to be alive.

[@williamcopeland2617]

It's assembled in the U.S brotha. The parts are still imported here from another country.

[@jamalfadesemall9275]

@@williamcopeland2617 I know, manufacturing is no longer one of Americas strengths we produce more debt than anything else.

[@carrickdubya4765]

Rion needs to make scooters for different users in bite sized price points. They are cutting costs in many ways like no apps, steering damper, etc and it obviously cannot be flashed so they can make them to order. So it's a win win with *hopefully* better prices and higher volume that increases jobs for Americans, while cutting down the need for cars. I suggest: 45-50mph @ $3k 55-60mph @ $4k 65-70mph @ $5k 75+ is now $6700 Many people don't want 75+ on 2 tiny wheels and would prefer to pay for a Made in USA product that meets people's needs with a great warranty and a competitive price. 75+ on 16" wheels would feel a lot safer and I have owned many motorcycles incl an R1 so I know a little about going fast on 2 wheels.

[@MAXTOR00]

So you basically want 1.9TDI in a Lambo.

[@Andrew-vt4jt]

It doesn't need a steering damper due to the amazing design. It's hard to bring costs down when you use the best battery cells, cnc aluminum parts, brakes, tires, carbon fiber, mosfets and copper welding. There's nothing like it.

[@Blox117]

anything 4k and over is worthless. why pay for this when you could buy a unicycle that is just as fast with a bigger battery?

[@seankelly5318]

Not even a mention of the lack of suspension??? This sounds like an ad.

[@bobravenscraft5376]

Anyone New reading this Trust me 20 to 30 is plenty fast on a scooter. I've rode bikes my whole life. 75 Equals Death. Physics evade some

[@MrREAPERsz]

Yeah my mantis v2 goes like 38mph. I never go over 20. It gets exciting at 30, but 1 mistake = injury.

[@SCOOTOPIAbyOhManDan]

Great Video Guys... I'm glad you got the opportunity to finally experience it. Did I not tell you @Andrew Nuntapreda... that once you ride it, you'll have a GREAT appreciation for the technologically innovative MIND of Gal Thompson. This is ONLY the BEGINNING Brother. I look forward to the amazing Micro eMobility ADVANCES of our Incommture... we're in for an incredible TREAT!!! Keep up the GREAT work Jimmy and Andrew, love you Guys!

[@freshlycharged]

Thanks Dan!

[@SCOOTOPIAbyOhManDan]

@@freshlycharged YW Brother.

[@EssPhour]

seeing higher and higher performance models hit the market on the mass production side of the business, they also have prices to match, and with that the Rion pricing doesn't look that extreme based on its performance per dollar. It makes me happy to see an American company leading the market in the performance segment, I hope Rion is successful and is able to stay in business even as a low volume product company.

[@freshlycharged]

I hope they succeed too. The innovation alone will change the industry and set a new bar for others to follow.

[@haroldanderson2781]

Thanks for the video. That thing is insane.

[@freshlycharged]

Thanks for watching!

[@richardbeek808]

It is a thing for fun, but all those scooters come with a giant disadvantage. They are not as stable as for example an ebike or anything else with bigger wheels.

[@вечная_мерзлота]

slightest movement of the steerimg mast and...

[@choski76]

Yeah. A BIKE IS GONNA HANDLE TERRAIN BETTER.

[@TigerTT]

That's why I like the idea of throwing hub motors and a battery on those big wheel kick scooters lol

[@Cr125stin]

I want to see a good rider race this in a Goped unlimited class race! I wonder how it would do against some fully built Gopeds. I can really appreciate the engineering and craftsmanship of these. Thanks for the video!

[@austinballard8867]

i'd be skeptical of it's cornering ability, its gonna be WAY heavier than gopeds, my goped is about 27lbs and hits 50mph with no internal modifications to the engine.

[@csr801996]

@@austinballard8867 what goped do you have and how much do you weigh that you can hit 50mph on a stock goped.

[@michaelschwab9563]

@@austinballard8867 which GoPed model?

[@johnrichardson5089]

Awesome review! What a real treat to finally see this marvelous machine machine in action! I’m also buzzing with excitement because I’m just days away from the delivery of my Tronic Roadrunner that you guys also included in the video. And not to mention that I look forward to the delivery of my Rion Thrust by the end of the year. It’s really great to see that the U.S.A is making its mark on the Hyper Scooter industry with the assembly of the Apex , the Rion Thrust, and the Tronic Roadrunner. Gal really represents the definition of combining the American Dream with a smart business model by his collaborations with Voro Motors and Alien Rides. The quality and craftsmanship of Rion Motors products reminds me of what it use to mean to have a product that was “MADE IN THE USA.” While I’m aware that the parts come from different places around the world, you can see that a great deal of effort and dedication was put into the assembly process; a hallmark that once defined American Made products. Sorry for the rant. You guys are amazing and thanks for all you continue to do for the PEV community.

[@erickspears1889]

Man. U must got in rite under the belt when ordering the Thrust. Tried and never got response. Looking forward to DX3 landing in August. I wish the video was a little more lifelike. Whenever you ride a Ryan it's like you're on mars or something. What's up with that. You never see the thing riding in public. The other thing is what's the problem with making a version for people who wish to have a tail light and maybe a breaker headlight. We can still go fast

[@keithfoidel2333]

Good luck with your Rion Thrust

[@CKPOFamilyFun]

I ordered the Rion Thrust with a 150 lead time and almost a year later have nothing but excuses as to why they can't build the scooter and refuse to give a refund. Do your research folks, to many others like me that are in the same position as me. Affirm won't refund you either.

[@chuckmaito912]

after reading this I wrote them asking about realistic lead time. and no one wrote back. The Lamborghini of scooters with Joe Biden of customer service. seems like a great combo.

[@user-nu3qp5oz1l]

@@chuckmaito912 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@GhostOutTheShell3035]

The most expensive barebone scooter on the market. It's beautiful though, I love the performance about it 💯. I wouldn't rank it near Hunter Quad because hunter Quad is completely all rounded, true innovation and has allot to offer, plus at top speed it still keeps up with RION at 80mph.

[@shanew7361]

I agree, overpriced.

[@orinerlich]

RION definitely smokes the hunter quad in acceleration. And it’s not overpriced you get exactly what you pay for. The best handling and best performance scooter on the market.

[@dreadknot2238]

And a rip off.

[@johnrichardson5089]

I actually like both the Apex and the Hunter Quad. I wouldn't compare the two because they are both in a class all by themselves. In my opinion, the price is pretty fair considering the technology, craftsmanship, quality of the build, and the fact that I would be investing in the furtherance of hyper-scooters assembled in the U.S.A.

[@GhostOutTheShell3035]

@@orinerlich That's all it's focused on, speed and acceleration 😴😴😴😴🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴.

[@nickdrvrts27]

Roadrunner Tronic in the back 👀

[@freshlycharged]

Stay tuned!

[@dominickesposito2182]

Be careful when ordering from Rion I ordered a scooter almost 2 years ago paid in full and still have yet to receive any product we've been emailing back and forth and just keep getting the same answer waiting on parts waiting on something or another kind of crazy I'm hoping that what he says as far as waiting on parts and stuff goes is true but in all honesty 2 years now and nothing.. my hopes aren't looking too good so just please be careful..

[@lexxzus]

Bro the wait for them to build and send you a Rion scooter is 6months. You sure you sent your money to the official Rion website? Because I've seen a lot of other websites claiming to sell them as well.

[@Felisargyle]

@@lexxzusdid you get yours?

[@er7l086]

Did you get it?

[@JoseMartinez-mm8gj]

Are yall gonna be reviewing the roadrunner tronic?

[@freshlycharged]

That’s the plan!

[@mr_wrongway]

Y no acceleration test 🥺 Thanks for the video Jimmy and Andrew!

[@Andrew-vt4jt]

I forgot my Dragy. 🤦‍♂

[@IRISHBULLYBOY]

They really need to sort out their cable management,for such a sleek scooter the amount of slack in them cable's is unreal.

[@orinerlich]

This is a prototype, The production models are perfect inside.

[@chrisneru6564]

I wud definitely buy a rion over a car..,.. if I had da money Microbility is the way forward of the future. But still prefer my DIY esk8 which I use a 200A dual vesc controller

[@Andrew-vt4jt]

That sounds insane.

[@T3g4n]

You finally got to review one xD

[@Andrew-vt4jt]

Finally! Thanks for the support.

[@tunaphis1362]

It's a controversial scooter , No doubt about it. Would I buy a bare-bones rocket like this, No.The GTpro is widely available for 1/2 the price, Adding Vesc controllers and slicks (PMT's) put in the same performance range with stable handling better than any single stem scooter. Would I fork over $6K to a niche company that has a history of not delivering on time, Never.

[@chuckmaito912]

Well said!

[@kylorenthehusky2584]

I get scared at 17mph on my Mercane wide wheel. This would be insane. Great review!

[@вечная_мерзлота]

mine is vsett 10+ but I almost never go above 20mph. its just not safe. yes I'm wearing full body armor but... one fall and weeks of missed work. I can't afford it. 😁

[@catgirlow]

@@вечная_мерзлота why did you buy a vsett 10 then if you are going that speed

[@for-real-tho]

@@вечная_мерзлота Same here, I never go faster than 35 kph (21 mph). I wanted good acceleration and long range, but I'm too scared of accidents. Unfortunately I still had an accident a week ago. I was going downhill, I didn't notice a fist sized rock, and I hit it while pulling the brakes. I flew over the handlebar, hit my shoulder and twisted my knee and ankle. 😒 And on top of that my handlebar got bent, lights broke and the screen got cracked.

[@ByronWalter]

Same here. I keep the speed down and wear a full-face helmet if going beyond the mailbox. I had a helmet on and wiped out at a higher speed. Got knocked out and got a $14,000 ER bill but probably would have checked out if not for my helmet. Worse, my t-shirt was trashed.

[@jordanfgfox7237]

Lmao I go 45 to 50 mph and I fells amazing I want to go faster

[@KeannuReevezzz03]

you guys saying it goes 75 mph but didnt show us a speed test to confirm this claim

[@chuckmaito912]

and you won't see one. it's weird. happens with a few scooters they review. and on the link they provide Alien rides says under specs it does 70mph under ideal conditions. which is a fat chicken going down a hill in sanfranciso with a 65mph tail wind

[@KeannuReevezzz03]

@@chuckmaito912 this is one of the reasons why I havent been sold on rion scooters, I wish they would show its actual top speed like the slack core scooter going 90mph on a test track

[@chuckmaito912]

@@KeannuReevezzz03 what's that video titled? 90mph?

[@michaelsha2781]

great video, can you make a more details review on the acceleration, and how it build up in details internally

[@deridionentertainment]

Still waiting for my rion apex 6 months later

[@silvercrystal3]

me 2 but for 2.5y The wait is going to come to an end as the first apex batch is about to come in the next few weeks

[@djsparkyy]

I have an Okidas that does about 52mph. Not sure I'd want to go 75+ but it would be cool to have one of those

[@Epcboy777]

Thats awesome!

[@dannydarko44]

I'm buying one as soon as I can

[@flitsies]

I'm not convinced, yes it is minimalist and yes it's made out of expensive parts, but does it really need to be, after all it is a scooter. For example: you could take the electronics including the motor and make a much cheaper scooter with a better foot board plus all weather tyres and perhaps end up with a very good scooter that may not go 75 mph but would go decent speeds with decent range, but with more comfort and equal if not better stability at a lower price tag. I see scooters going for high prices, I took an old evo cost 320 pounds, replaced the battery from lead acid to lifpo4 and it doubled the speed and quadrupled the range if not more not been able to test the range properly, needless to say there is no range issue now. So I wonder if all this tech is really needed on a scooter. Do you really need to dial in speed control, surely that's what your throttle is for, speed control should be on your hand the more you open the throttle the faster you go, you get used to controlling the power. It's about your ability to control the power, do I want a computer to slow me down or speed me up? No. Do I want multiple settings? No, that's why I have a throttle, I control the power not the machine. I think some of the scooters are over thought, probably to cater for riders who don't know how to ride, but that just suggests that perhaps they need a ride that is more suited to their ability as riders. I'm not convinced this scooter makes any sense at all with such a high price tag. Perhaps they should produce something with a reasonable price tag with normal equipment but using the same motor and controller, they may sell more.

[@chrisb.1214]

Jimmy says a naughty word @4:59. Gonna have to wash his mouth out with soap. 😂

[@freshlycharged]

Washing my mouth out with soap right now.

[@chrisb.1214]

@@freshlycharged 🤣

[@razorraysolarsavings72]

All of us have to wash our mouth lol.

[@DonovanWert]

Awesome 😎 thanks brother!!🙏

[@Antony--DIY]

Differences with weped sst you ride...🤔 Witch is faster (acceleration, top speed)... More stable... better handling... Comfort, for every day riding (not only in a track road) Thanks!🙋‍♂️🤙

[@matrixlo8834]

Where’s the top speed and the acceleration test like how you guys did on the wolk king gtr and inmotion scooters. Range?

[@40s]

You guys might enjoy giving the Project 23 7iDP helmet a go. It is a full face down hill that has a more secure fit than the ones using bike helmet interiors like bell. For my head it was the only one to fit. comes in Carbon or ABS. Always try on your helmet before you buy if you are shopping people.

[@slopoke5806]

What about checking out or testing the WEPED Scooter, which if im paying for 6k but they have a dark knight...

[@gt500dreamer]

Great review Jimmy and Andrew! Gal does make a quality racing scoot, albeit very minimalist….too much IMO. Watch out for competition coming out soon….

[@TheAnimeist]

Made In The U.S.A. Love the wide deck.

[@fatcatelectric]

Here showing love and support

[@Andrew-vt4jt]

Thanks for the love and support!

[@fatcatelectric]

@@Andrew-vt4jt ur very welcome buddy

[@flitsies]

If there is a notch in the middle of the steering which keeps it centred that suggests there is something wrong with the steering, if you have that same notch on a motorcycle your steering bearings are not set up correctly and it needs to be addressed for safety. The steering should be smooth with zero notches or sticking points, if a damper is used it should not hamper steering but smooth out the steering, and stop any snatches. So I wonder about the notch mentioned in the steering on this machine.

[@okdok3742]

how did the no fron suspension feel?

[@de-bodgery]

That very quiet motor sound is because of FOC control in those dual VESC based controllers!!! Lots of stuff you review are possibly running trapezoidal controllers if they are particularly "grunty". All the rest are using dumb sinusoidal controllers. You were riding a scooter that uses FOC to its full potential and no skimping or corners cut like most scooters have! *** I would have liked a closer look at the controllers. Seems they were totally exposed and not water tight. In one shot I saw capacitors sticking out of the Tronic 250 controller. I know the control signals come out the top of the controller too and that they are not water proofed in any way.

[@freshlycharged]

We’ll get you a closer look once we get the production model. These were preproduction models.

[@de-bodgery]

@@freshlycharged Yeah...can't wait! *** Now that I'm close to getting my Dualtron City put pack together, I also found several wiring details I didn't like and have corrected. There is something to be said for NOT having all those RGB lights like the RION lacks! Hopefully RION will put turn signals, brake and head lights on them. That's not over kill like is so common to Dualtron scooters with all the silly RGB lights on them. *** How did you get the RION app?

[@Jamie-eg8xf]

This company is a total scam, where are the videos of unboxing the Rion. I lost my money so I feel obligated to let people know that you can order and pay for these scooters but you will never receive them.

[@tupezeamarion2209]

Hello!! Whats the correct app for the rion, so I can download it to my iPhone, in the App Store ?

[@cloudbusting_]

Are there good after market lights?

[@TurboPotato]

Who really gives a crap about a scooter that you basically can't obtain even with $10k burning a hole in your pocket. Yeah it's exclusive, but when maybe like...100 people own one, again, who cares?

[@smalltownsmoker4331]

Is there a Rion quality Ebike yet? If not I hope you find one.

[@freshlycharged]

Looking!

[@fctryoffetsh39]

Live to kiw where you go 75,up here we can't even go on the back road🤣🤣

[@jonathangauthier3549]

The Rion seems to be nearing perfection. For me, if I'm taking a high-speed scooter out on roads where I can reach highway speeds, a turn signal at the end of each handlebar grip, a motorcycle headlight, and an integrated are basic necessities. I don't want to lose my phone while going 75 mph, nor do I want it mounted in the most vulnerable area of the scooter should I crash. These are my major issues with this new scooter. We don't all have private mountain passes where we can be away from traffic, so those things (though gawdy) are a necessity to keep myself and others as safe as possible without being lame

[@Andrew-vt4jt]

Rion will be selling modular lights and other accessories that can attach to the deck.

[@jonathangauthier3549]

@@Andrew-vt4jt cool.

[@blargh7400]

I completely agree. If I'm spending money and riding around on anything it needs a headlight and tail light because it's very likely I'll be out at night. Those are literal needs to be built in to any bike or scooter. Of course people can buy lights to clip on or wrap around it, but..really? You shouldn't have to especially at nearly 7 grand.

[@jonathangauthier3549]

@@blargh7400 my thoughts exactly. You don't get gouged by car manufacturers to install aftermarket turn signals and stop lights. Cars come with speedometers and tachometers to tell you your speed and RPMs, etc. If you make something that goes as fast as a car, and costs as much as a used car, then build it like a car.

[@EssPhour]

I'm actually glad it has none of these things, its a purest scooter, if you feel the need for those things, retro fit them, heck its even an opportunity for someone else that wants to build high end accessories for the Rion. Handle bar signals, and rear deck foot plate with lights would be easy enough for some small machine shop to make, or a 3D printer business. Their are tons and tons of high end light manufactures out there in the hunting and tactical market also, Some one should reach out to them with some business propositions.....I'm not dogging you, I know some people like the complete package all coming from one place and I understand that, I'm the opposite, I like to tinker and customize things.

[@_Otaku-kt8be]

What if you're phone overheats or dies? Doesn't make sense to not have a built-in display.

[@rollcam321]

Yes it is, but not for my pockets.... but once they become more of a thing it;s next on my list. My kaabo wolf king GT gives me a thrill, but I truly need this. I need more power!!!!!!! I have such a itch for eletric that i dont drive any of the cars i own.... I literally drive my scooter to and from work and commute around 25 miles total a day at least....

[@UkTechGuy]

If you want a project... swop out the GT controller for a VESC based FOC... Flipsky 75100 with Aluminium PCB is same price or cheaper as Wolf controllers. Did it to my Wolf X.. 2 throttles right for speed and left for regen brake (mechanical brake hydraulic still available)... telling you bro.. not the same scooter... The ride feel of a VESC controller will blow you away... give more battery and motor amps in the configs and more speed is delivered. Not a simple mod but glad i did it.

[@Third_eyee]

@@UkTechGuy you should make a video on how to do this, i have a wolf x and a wolf king, i would love to make either one faster

[@oakleysillaway5973]

What's the little pocket bike at the 1:39 mark?

[@freshlycharged]

RoadRunner Tronic. Video coming soon!

[@CD-lw6fl]

Would love to see a head2head between the Rion and Slack Core.

[@mathewlake9464]

Still yet to see the confirmed top speed on the Rion, lots of reviews but 0 with gps to confirm the top speed.

[@chuckmaito912]

top speed is the same as delivery speed or customer service responses. 0

[@pepengilocanotv7872]

Try also WEPED DARKKNIGHT STANDING HYPER E-scooter

[@user-jk9zr3sc5h]

Where I live, potholes arent exactly uncommon, so this would kill me lol

[@koreanqpatriot4595]

Damn I was about to purchase an Apex, and after reading about so many people still waiting on their Rions even 2+ years making me rethink and just get a X Limited even though it's a bit bigger and heavier than I wanted

[@shanew7361]

$10K now and sold out lol The Rion Thrust that is.

[@keronfarrier2198]

Why's the stem so low 😪😪. I've been watching this baby for a while. GREAT REVIEW

[@freshlycharged]

I got into my buddy’s sports car once and it felt really low… but the speed and handling quickly made up for it.

[@hilariohernandez]

What is the bike that was used/seen in the video?

[@dennisgolden7596]

Is the Roin or Weped a better ride? Thanks ride safe.

[@Andrew-vt4jt]

I like the way the Rion rides better than Weped scooters. The Weped scooters are fast but the wide tires make the ride feel clunky.

[@rietzhu]

Wearing long sleeve and jackets in this, heat tho? Oh mann lol.. Really cool scooter but I'd die on the crappy roads of Modesto Ca lol. That scoot looks like it's great in more urban areas tho! Not around here with bad drivers. Thanks for the post and showing!

[@Andrew-vt4jt]

Got to dress for the slide!

[@rietzhu]

I just wear pants,pads and full face helm... this heat is too much even for all that .. 😩 🤷 But I get where you're coming from.

[@Enonymouse_]

Does Rion actually exist still?

[@koreanqpatriot4595]

There is barely any videos of non sponsors posting it, so I conclude that it's a scam

[@Enonymouse_]

@@koreanqpatriot4595 That's unfortunate. They were at one point a working company but covid and competition seems to have wiped them out. It looks like they did actually deliver product so can't prove its a scam (yet).

[@koreanqpatriot4595]

@@Enonymouse_ if they collected money and haven't shipped in over 2-3 years, it's qualifies as a scam

[@silvercrystal3]

it finally comes to an end now.. after more than 2.5y of wait. What a draining history of uncertainty, fear over having lost a carpton of money and also almost losing my passion for these vehicles - it will finally end in the next weeks. I turned into a disbeliever myself and even started to sue them, so these twists are so radical to me

[@mannyvaldez7136]

Just wondering, what kind of electric bicycle is that?

[@greenwave819]

Jimmy r you really swaggin ur Tesla 3 here???

[@greenwave819]

not that I'm "that jelly", well, yeah I am, Thanks friend!

[@michaelsha2781]

also is the handle bar feel a bit too low for you？

[@cesarebboy]

Will it be available in Europe ? I’ve a nami and I’m already super happy with it But this one is so cool !

[@Andrew-vt4jt]

They do ship to Europe.

[@cesarebboy]

@@Andrew-vt4jt yes I understood but in case of problems ? Should I ship it in us ?

[@Andrew-vt4jt]

@@cesarebboy I'm not sure if they will have a distributor in Europe. I can reach out to Rion to find out.

[@peaceful4you408]

I like the dualtron scooters way better. I think they look better by far too. Especially the dualtron storm limited.

[@orustusamunade8936]

UUUMMM No Neither look Good Dualtron or these!

[@jim_e_mono1]

I would sell both my Dualtron Storm and Thunder 2 so I could buy one of these. But the wait is so long just to get one.

[@RocketsledZ]

If i was going to buy a $7000 scooter, i'd buy the one made in America. That tag is hard to find anymore.

[@bobbybecker80]

Great review. Glad it's not on my shopping list; I don't want to go down at 75 mph.

[@jake9854]

no worry man, theres these dirt bike axxhole going 120mph doin stunt using their rear wheel. go down on their axx and they re still not dead yet

[@sam4auto]

How many watts is peak?

[@ixOu-u9q]

Bonjour très belle machine , et combien coûte en France toutes taxes comprises livré à domicile ? Merci beaucoup pour la réponse

[@alphadelfa]

Holy FOC that's a nice scooter!

[@johnrichardson5089]

Good one 👍🏾 I said the same thing at that point in the video.

[@Andrew-vt4jt]

You're a punny guy! 🤣😂

[@benjaminwashington2087]

Is it rain resistant?

[@blancobronco1346]

That thing is awesome. So you guys have extensive knowledge on these scooters. So I bought a Bronco Xtreme from ewheels like a month ago or a month and a half ago. I still have warranty. Obviously. My Bronco overheated on me 4 times already has left me stranded. Can’t find nobody to fix this problem. Ewheels I think is willing to give me a refund. What is the next best scooter compared to the Bronco? Thanks

[@Andrew-vt4jt]

You had issues with the new bronco from Ewheels? I thought they resolved the controller issues.

[@blancobronco1346]

@@Andrew-vt4jt apparently not all of them. Mine has overheated 4 times. Right now I’m waiting on Jason and Kai. Kai said that he is gonna be sending out new battery and controller. But I’m not sure if they are gonna give me a new one with the new battery and controller or if they just wanna ship me the new battery and controller to do myself which I don’t think is fair bc idk how to do that stuff. I’m so new to the scooter world.

[@THE_CHANNNEL]

Made in the USA Great review

[@lilAckerman]

As a former trick & or stunt scooter rider I rlly am curious to see just how difficult taking corners at speed, throttle rlly on power without dragging my foot on the ground at all man one day I’ve just GOT to hav one, so long as I reach my goals 😅😌

[@sasharash8621]

What about battery capacity Ah ??

[@silvercrystal3]

100.8V Apex @29.4 Ah goes for range: 75 miles @ 25mph, 45 miles @ 70mph

[@sasharash8621]

@@silvercrystal3 put more battery Amp capacity _ mine 70Ah on single charger up to 150miles range _ depends on road surface and speed

[@jediradekcrif9568]

Jimmy I rode this a few months ago. I have limited experience riding other super scooters beyond short test rides so I'll ask you and Andrew: at 40mph and accelerating from there on up did the acceleration scare the shit out of you? Cuz it surely did me! I felt it was much more exponential than any other scooter I've tried (wolf 11, king, king GT, storm) but again these were just brief rest rides. The Apex I was able to ride for 10 miles or so...

[@Andrew-vt4jt]

The immediate power delivery at 40 mph is insane. There is no other scooter I've tried that can squeak the wheels at 40 mph. It scared me at first but it's exhilarating once you learn it.

[@jediradekcrif9568]

@@Andrew-vt4jt thanks for verifying my thoughts Andrew (mainly that the other scooters can't compare)! It was a ROCKET

[@Vmaxfodder]

You can make most scooters super quite with pure sinwave controllers . Just way more expensive.

[@88kris88]

It's all about them FOC's 👀

[@freshlycharged]

Yes!

[@Third_eyee]

for almost 8k, i think it should atleast come with some kind of speedometer, the wepeds also do this, no speedometer, meh im happy with my wolf king GT pro for more than 50% less than what this cost..i get good range, good top speed, a beautiful TFT display, a kickstand, the list goes on However with all that said, the Rion is still a beautiful scooter made of high quality parts like you said, bet its a blast to ride Edit : i see the app you can get on your phone which kinda makes up for the no speedometer

[@orustusamunade8936]

Wolf King GT is another hideous looking scooter my GOD, get a WEPED

[@Third_eyee]

@@orustusamunade8936 ew no i would rather have the much better suspension on the wolf king, the wepeds suspension is almost non existent

[@juanoechsleblumenfeld6338]

Jimmy do you recommend to get the new OW GT ?

[@freshlycharged]

Not until they sort out all the issues.

[@juanoechsleblumenfeld6338]

@@freshlycharged do you think the firm update is enough ? Cause I will get my new GT today but I’m thinking returning it

[@Andrew-vt4jt]

@@juanoechsleblumenfeld6338 it seems like the firmware update has been causing cut outs lately.

[@jrides4983]

Hola, quería preguntarle sobre lo que dice que se pueden desbloquear los controladores para que corra más, como se desbloquea, me interesa saberlo porque tengo las tronic 250A

[@jrides4983]

????

[@Vmaxfodder]

What kind of motors are they using?

[@user-nu3qp5oz1l]

weped ff. Look at weped scooters

[@dieselindustries55]

0-60mph? Would you choose the aluminium or the poly one? Can you make a video only for max speed and acceleration? 🙏

[@Andrew-vt4jt]

A local friend of mine is receiving one of the first ones so I will get that data for you. I would choose whatever style you like best.

[@SkyRocket159]

Nah, go race cars and motorcycles, that's the kind of test I want to see with a Rion.

[@RussianStyle1987]

Before ordering this scooter joint he Facebook Rion groups and do the research. Seems like people paid for their Rion scooter 2+ years ago and still haven’t received them. Seems like the only videos on KZbin of them are from testers and KZbin scooter channels. I don’t think they are set up to mass produce yet. Only safe way of buying would be if they actually had stock to buy.. Look at the Rion groups- people are begging for their money back and threatening to sue. Not a good look for Rion

[@silvercrystal3]

yes I was in the same boat until a few weeks ago, but the wait is ending now. It's a freakin insolence from them to having left their customers in the dark for such an unrealistic amount of time, especially after their initial claim of excuses like "200 days" and "1year+". It was these claims that made my personal waiting time hell on earth as I had saved so damn long for finally fulfilling my dream - and it got almost completely trashed by their bold claims as I started to get real anti-empathic towards the whole hyperscooter scene - but now, finally, the wait is over and I'm not even really excited yet bc of the after effect this whole story dragged with it.. I would never want to go again through such patience'n'uncertainty hell in my lfe

[@Relaxingsounds647]

I like helmet. What brand is it?