8.6 Blackout Everything I know, so far, Episode 1

my full knowledge dump on all things 8.6 blackout. Video 1 in this series talks about factory ammo. I know TED didn't sanction this Talk but its my version! Eagle Talk.
Get factory cases from Vairog from Milford Munitions here... eaglerun23.com/blog/f/86-blk-...
The Ammo List. Prices and Codes. eaglerun23.com/blog/f/the-amm...
8.6 Factory Ammo from Aitken Arms. eaglerun23.com/blog/f/aitken-...

[@EagleRun23]

eaglerun23.com/blog/f/86-blk-milford-munitions

[@Michigan4Conservative]

Great "State of the Union" for 8.6.👍

[@IWatchedWhat]

I have been having fun with this round, I built an AR10 and a bolt gun. I picked up a NOE bullet mold and have been casting a 315gr hollow point and powder coating them. They have been working very good using cfeblk powder. Keep up the good work your doing.

[@EagleRun23]

wow casting!! i dont know if I can get into that, but its got my respect for sure! bolt 8.6 coming soon!

[@Bruce23d]

I just wondering about hard casting a round for this caliber? I understand why they have to use the copper bullets. How compatible would hard cast be?

[@Captain-Donut]

❤🙏 Love from Scotland 🙏❤️

[@getinthespace7715]

These rounds look NUTS. I think I'm going to have to buy one of these.

[@EagleRun23]

Click around I have 6 builds so far on 8.6. Lmk if you need help!

[@mgriffin12]

very interested in 8.6 I enjoy seeing others adopt it. should make it easier to get everything when people seem to like it

[@BuffRANGE]

Good Data, thank you!

[@EagleRun23]

yes sir! thanks for hanging out. Did 4 long videos on 8.6 last week.

[@ReqDef]

Hey man all that ammo they’re sending ya… spread the love! 😂 in the middle of my 8.6 build (also will be my first AR10) and I gotta feed this sucker

[@dhr18]

Building my 8.6 now. You have a recommendation between the big gunner or light Palma for a 12” build?

[@megastarsport]

Load development for 8.6 is so early in the process, I’m excited to see where it goes in the next few years, especially after we get the SAAMI cert.

[@EagleRun23]

News coming on that and a twist rate rumor.

[@ravissary79]

I'm definitely looking to hear more honest testimonials of what's possible with 8.6 blk.

[@EagleRun23]

Hey rav, I have a boatload of ammo headed my way. We’re gonna do some stuff!!

[@ravissary79]

@@EagleRun23 sounds great! I'm hoping to hear more about hunting effectiveness as well... how spin treats terminal effect *practically* I suspect the new 400 legend will have comparable performance inside 100 yards, but in a totally different way.

[@snakedr22]

So much to learn

[@EagleRun23]

SURE Welcome to my Ted Talk! haha, so i cant publish this video until Wednesday next week. Milford Munitions goes live and they sponsored this one. They will have brass in bulk for us reloaders!

[@snakedr22]

@@EagleRun23 can't wait. Giving myself a few months , before I start reloading

[@EagleRun23]

you have my email if you need help! @@snakedr22

[@bry2k]

I don't know shit on this topic 😂, so I asked ChatGPT a question I've been wondering about... When a subsonic bullet like the 8.6 blackout is loaded with something like only 16 grains of powder, the powder is using only a fraction of the space available inside the shell case. So when the bullet is lying on its side, doesn't the powder collect on the "bottom" of the cartridge, and move away from the primer? And does that distribution of powder in the case affect how the bullet is ejected as the pressure builds once it's fired? ChatGPT Response: That’s a very interesting question. The distribution of powder in the case can indeed affect how the bullet is ejected as the pressure builds once it’s fired. The powder position can influence the ignition, burn rate, and pressure curve of the powder, which in turn can affect the accuracy, velocity, and consistency of the bullet1. One way to mitigate this effect is to use a filler material, such as cornmeal or cream of wheat or cotton, to fill the empty space in the case and keep the powder close to the primer. Another way is to use a powder that has a high density and fills most of the case volume, such as Trail Boss or Accurate 57443. A third way is to use a magnum primer, which has a hotter and longer flame, to ignite the powder more uniformly. However, these methods are not foolproof and may have some drawbacks, such as increased fouling, reduced velocity, or increased pressure. Therefore, it is important to exercise caution and follow safe reloading practices when working with subsonic loads. Always start with low charges and work up gradually, checking for signs of pressure or bullet seating depth changes. And always use a chronograph to verify the velocity of your loads and make sure they are subsonic. Source links from ChatGPT: www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/filler-material-for-subsonic-loads.71793/ peregrinebullets.co.za/reloading-subsonic-bullets/ kzbin.info/www/bejne/iaunaJt6pctsgNU What do you think about this?

[@EagleRun23]

10/10 comment! haha, great use of technology to skip ahead and learn fast! I never considered that! you are right, but the 350 do intrude substantially into the case capacity. but yes 16 grains and case capacity is an issue. There are some new technology cases, even polymer coming out for this issue. We also are playing with powders, but its a dicey situation sometimes, I did crater a bcg and barrel!

[@EagleRun23]

@revoman see this?

[@bry2k]

​@@EagleRun23 Maybe you could share the story of how the cratering occurred? Sounds like it would be a good lesson. The thing I least see explored re reloading is pressure. Does every piece of brass have a specific pressure rating, and is there a strong chance of exceeding that pressure when targeting a typical bullet FPS, ie, 1050 for subs or 2000-ish for supers? Was it the Faxon published data that caused your bcg/barrel destruction? I really like your content. I just want to load and re-load ready-made 8.6 'spec' brass like the Vairog 8.6 + primer + optimal powder for subsonic and then experiment with a couple/few different bullets. Also, if you watch that 3rd link (the Cream of Wheat reloads), it's pretty funny and you'll see it didn't work out too well. TLDR: Don't.

[@snakedr22]

Awesome thanks

[@joshuacalhoun3514]

Be cool to see you test some just cause solutions ammo. 220 makers maybe?

[@Enostactical]

Nice video bru

[@EagleRun23]

Appreciate it

[@pewpewjunky1296]

Halworx ballistics is another company making loaded ammo for the 8.6. They have a 160 grain and some other options. Have you tried them out yet?

[@EagleRun23]

I have not!

[@RTACDaughters]

Nice

[@omarmendez4003]

Nice video I’m thinking about getting a 300 Bo - or a 8.6 Bo

[@EagleRun23]

Go for it! all this week, were talking 86! hollar if you need anything!

[@StephenShreds]

Question. If the new brass is a consistent thickness do you think using h110 with that will work better now?

[@EagleRun23]

I plan to revisit h110 even though that’s what I blew up :/

[@otisnelson8665]

How was the copper fouling with the 205 Hammers during your testing?

[@EagleRun23]

Didn’t notice much at all

[@spysweeper]

Curious about the neck wall thickness of the Vairog brass vs Gorilla? Have you ever pushed an 8.6 handload beyond the 280K rpm with a traditional bullet (non-monolithic)??

[@EagleRun23]

As i recall they were both close .34 and .35, but thats with calipers not a proper ball anvil setup. I dont have a good way to measure wall thicknesses

[@spysweeper]

@@EagleRun23 I've been turning my range picked 308 brass to about 0.0107" to 0.0135" measured with a ball micro but I find that no matter what I do, there's always a variance when I measure around 1/4 turns. There are also some brass that for some reason seems to be non-concentric as you go deeper--it is such a pain when that happens using an RCBS universal holder losing grip on the brass!!! Have you had any feeding problems with your handloads with the Vairog or Gorilla Brass?? I'm glad someone's starting to make the brass... hopefully Starline would come on board...

[@EagleRun23]

I dont think the numbers I gave above were right. but yes .011 is the ideal number.@@spysweeper the vairog stuff seems good to go right out of the box! some have 5-6 reloads with no signs of giving up. I have not yet reloaded gorilla aka starline, but I have some.

[@spysweeper]

@@EagleRun23 Thanks! Very helpful! I think once I my self made brass wears out, I would consider Vairog then! Also, I tried Hdy SST 225 gn for subs and seems to be holding up at 1000 fps using Accu 1680 @ 13 gn on my 16"-- cheaper than most I've seen in case you wanna try-- I'm going to push it more to at least 1160 fps to see if it holds up-- that should be around 280K rpm.

[@rockstar49858]

So my question is why would you want a tumble on impact in this particular cartridge? The hype for the 8.6 is the spin rate so in my head tumbling cancels out the spin magic.

[@EagleRun23]

Not sure it even tumbles when I spin it 500k rpm haha. It didn’t shoot well either.

[@samdaly9784]

I assume you’re using a bolt rifle since COL isn’t mentioned in regards to AR magazine compatibility with all the different bullets?

[@EagleRun23]

my bolt 86 is not done yet, I use these in ar10 i have an 8, 12 and a 16" some of the long boys could have feed issues, most of the factory ammo is good to go for gas guns.

[@EagleRun23]

its a wild cat for a bit longer now, so we can load what we need for our applications.

[@BuffRANGE]

Who makes the 305gr solids?

[@EagleRun23]

maker does, but I really would like to see the 320ish range work. maybe 330 range.

[@driverjamescopeland]

Cutting Edge also produces 338 in monolithic copper. All of their monolithics, from what I can see, are hollow points. They range from 175 to 300gr. The 300gr Sierra HP has a G1 BC of .794, G7 of .407, and minimum expansion velocity @ POI is 1,700fps.

[@AnthonyToppins]

What do you like for reloading dies. I see that Hornady, Redding and Lee all make a set.

[@EagleRun23]

I have the Hornady Custom set and a set from Lee, The Lee i used during the time when I was making my own cases, it was good. The hornady one works great for me! its my main set. I do have redding in other calibers, wouldnt shy away from it, i just have not used it.

[@AnthonyToppins]

@@EagleRun23 thanks bud!! appreciate your help. I'm an FFL/SOT in dallas. just getting into 8.6. have a fix 12" sbr and a porq chop on order. currently have a dillon 550 and a couple of lee classic turret presses. considering adding an area419 zero press as well

[@jdogi1]

Who's cartridge gauge is that that's cut open like that?

[@makevelicustoms]

It’s a Mandingo customs gauge, you’re welcome 💪🏾

[@Michigan4Conservative]

7:19 Sheridan Case Gauge

[@EagleRun23]

Sheridan. Tell them eaglerun23 sent ya. :)

[@prometheanhealing3942]

I don't get why Lehigh Defense Xtreme Defense and Xtreme Penetrator projectiles aren't produced for it but hollow points are. I would think the XD and XP bullets would be highly effective in 300 blk and 8.6 blk.

[@EagleRun23]

are those monolitihc? thats the deal due to the 1:3 twist.

[@prometheanhealing3942]

@@EagleRun23 Yes. Solid copper.

[@ItsBiscoitoIndeed]

Best 9mm can for a 16" barrel?

[@EagleRun23]

I have a Dead Air Primal, no complaints and it was under 1100 with a stamp

[@jayz007]

could you put links for company's

[@EagleRun23]

eaglerun23.com/blog/f/86-blk-milford-munitions

[@JarenMeans]

millford promo?

[@EagleRun23]

Sorry. Pinned!

[@JarenMeans]

@@EagleRun23 I was going to try to get some primed 8.6 brass with it but it does not seem to work. Any idea why? Was trying to get 100 cases worth.

[@JarenMeans]

Anyone get the promo code to work?

[@EagleRun23]

Are you on Aitken arms?

[@JarenMeans]

@@EagleRun23 no Milford munitions. Is the code for Aitken?

[@EagleRun23]

@@JarenMeans should work for both. It’s possible the deal doesn’t work on already discounted items. It looks like they have a discount running? Maybe that’s why they won’t stack?

[@randyhughes5160]

This was a waste of time this a look what I have

[@EagleRun23]

I don’t know what to tell. You sounds like this video wasn’t for you? This was the first of six videos in a series where I document everything I know about 8.6 Blackout from the builds on the AR platform to reloading projectiles brass how to make cases everything I know about 8.6 Blackout to date.

[@snakedr22]

Nice