8 PASSENGERS: The Dark Story Behind YouTube's Worst Family Channel.

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[@insertcheesypunhere]

one youtube trauma therapist has stated "toxic parents don't see their kids as children; they see them as selfish adults." and ruby is such a shining example.

[@chadrific]

Oh yes this exactly. The Christmas thing stunned me because the way she described youngest children who were under 10 was like she was describing someone with a full formed frontal lobe. Not a child. But hell the way she described her older children was like she thought they were adults and not children.

[@katiehambrick4079]

That’s what I kept thinking when Ruby spoke about her kids disobeying. I kept thinking “ok but, lady, they’re children. They’re not adults. They’re not capable of thinking the way you do.”

[@mr.hidden9242]

I would call this "projection", but perhaps I'm being cynical.

[@HaintblueRee]

You what that makes so much sense, I have an aunt that was like this to both my cousins and I always got the feeling she saw them as just roommates or something

[@UvThe1st]

I don't think I've ever related my mum to a sentence so much. Thank you

[@ShayForShort]

I feel actual pain in my heart when she says “hopefully no one gives her food” . I have a 7 year old who eats a packed lunch every day & I would never ever let her go to school without food . If the kid forgets her lunch , you leave & take her a hecking lunch .

[@dangerxbadger2300]

The worst part is that Eva was only SIX at the time. She was a freaking kindergartener. My kindergartener can't even remember which shoes go on which feet, much less to pack a damn lunch every day.😂

[@CainXVII]

In Sweden we serve free lunch in school specifically because of parents like this. All kids deserve to know they will get a good meal at least once a day.

[@dangerxbadger2300]

@CainXVII thankfully, my state passed legislation recently to make sure that all kids get free breakfast and lunch during the school year, and there are tons of Summer lunch programs all over most school districts here as well. Unfortunately, it's definitely not a nationwide thing, and one in five children in America struggles with hunger. It's very very sad and isn't helped by monsters like Ruby.

[@ice_skater_girl0371]

​@@CainXVIIIt's the same here in the neighbouring country Finland. It might not be the best but at least it keeps the children full

[@TarisLuna]

Yea, I forgot my kids breakfast for daycare Once because we had to rush, it was all packed but I forgot to take the backpack. And as soon as my kid was there on time I went to get a sandwich from the bakery 3 doors down and bring it in. The daycare had fruit and veggies available all day and a warm meal for lunch, so my kid wouldn't have had to go without food, but I still felt so stupid and horrible for that mistake.

[@gabesgotunpaidtaxes]

My mum also "didn't believe in children having privacy" so after she found and read my diary one time I got a new one, hid it in a better spot, and wrote all the entries using the Jedi alphabet from a Star Wars magazine I had secretly bought.

[@elaenawalker316]

Ugh my mother was the worst about invading privacy but didn't notice what her husband was doing to me. Having had 4 kids of my own and another on the way unless they gave/give me a Damm good reason (drugs/drinking/violence with associated behavior, which has been sooooo rare) , I've never invaded their privacy otherwise. We talk abt everything and work through issues. My father and his wife were physical/ mental/emotional abusers so he wasn't a safe haven to go to as a child and teenager, who also allowed no privacy. Some of us really had/have no safe place and it's so sad.

[@shelliblossom8953]

this is why this kind of hovering parenting doesnt work all it does is teach the child to hide better

[@bananawitchcraft]

When I was about 14 I was sent to a mental hospital. The only time I had a visitor was when they brought my mom in with one of my diaries, and I had to discuss the contents of the diary with my mom and some guy who worked in the hospital. There was sexual stuff in it. That was the entire topic of discussion. Scarred for life.

[@ceinwenchandler4716]

Just imagine this emoji as a stand-in for raucous applause 👏 Way to go!

[@kasiraechan]

It's kind of cool how creative kids can be, but it's also sad that they have to be that way to protect their peace.

[@freddie7024]

Russel is a hero. He saved his siblings lives. I cant even imagine how scary it must have been to not only endure that abuse and watch your siblings get abused, but to risk his life to escape and go for help. I hope he knows he is a hero and one of the strongest people alive. I hope he can heal, and maybe one day he will learn about how many people across the world view him as so incredibly brave and a hero. God bless that poor kid Shari is so incredibly brave too. I cant even imagine the fear and the pain of not only enduring abuse and the stress of college, but to watch your own mother turn against you and abuse and tourture your siblings as she was trying so hard to save them at only 20. I hope she knows she is one of the strongest humans alive and such a mentally strong and selfless person who deserves all the best I hope all her other kids can heal and go on to live fulfilling lives and just be the amazing people they are as for Kevin, Jodi, and Ruby I hope they rot in the deepest pits of hell. I hope ruby and jodi get the shit beat out of them in prison and live every day of their lives in pain for what they did to those kids

[@yesitschelle]

It's going to take a lot of therapy before he knows he's a hero. Those kids were taught that all of that was their fault. That's what he told the guy who rescued him, that it was his fault and he was sure his sister was fine.

[@LindsaySeymour-g5s]

They both need a good dose of some gen pop justice 😂😂

[@caligamer5364]

The neighbor’s voice when he was on the phone with 911 broke my heart

[@Mrstark1407]

Ruby Franke wanted the mommy blogger life but she didn’t want the mommy part. She is complaining about her children wanting FOOD, WATER, and PRIVACY. Her kids are just props in her “perfect” life

[@lexyshannon9428]

I'm waiting to watch her complain about the privacy of the prison toilets lmao

[@angelofdusk13]

Part of that is her religion. I grew up Mormon, women are taught from the time they are children that the greatest and most sacred calling is to be a mother. You literally can't reach the highest level of heaven if you choose not to have kids. The prophets also encourage young couples to get married as soon as possible(18, 19, 20--anything after 21 is considered "old") and have kids as soon as possible, and as many as possible. The result is that people who SHOULD NOT HAVE CHILDREN end up with a lot of children. It's a problem.

[@MostlyMom]

My (adopted) kids were in foster care from birth to 2 years of age for my son & 1 year for my daughter before their mother got custody of them back. What did she do with that blessing she fought so hard for? Starved my son and locked my daughter in a closet with a lock on the outside of the door. Sometimes I lay in bed under the covers and cry when I think about all of the snuggles and comfort and love I would have given my babies if they were in our home when they were babies. Thankfully, even though we adopted them 3 years ago and they’ve become very cool elementary schoolers, they are still big fans of snuggles and when possible, I try to just stop and snuggle and love them and appreciate them. We fought through so much to get to where we are. I cannot imagine how someone could actively choose to bring kids into the world, or to fight to keep them in your custody, just to actively abuse them. I literally cannot comprehend it.

[@Mrstark1407]

@@MostlyMom I’m so sorry you went through that!! That must’ve been horrible I’m so glad your kids are in a better place now you’re an amazing human being for dealing with that…

[@adish1401]

​@@angelofdusk13I've seen people encoradge a 14 year old girl who had no clue how to prevent pregnancy because her mom was too ashamed for the talk, to give birth, even after the scans showed that her child will have a serious disability with no treatment available, and will need surgery at birth. They then abandoned the girl with that child, making her give her whole future away to being a single mother of a disabled daughter in a country that treats disabled people like disposable trash and barely has a functioning medical system. Often religion makes people into horrible animals no sane god would ever love.

[@SevenReads007]

I just have to say, if Ruby and Kevin were poor they would have had custody revoked much quicker. Non-toxic, loving mothers who can’t afford beds have kids taken all the time, but when Ruby does it it’s fine.

[@Decodethefallenmoon]

Not just poor, but also if they weren’t white. Then being rich AND white AND Mormon all played a part in this for damn sure

[@maybemablemaples2144]

​@@Decodethefallenmoon bingo the state HATES taking kids away from families like this.

[@xxxstellarxxx]

I saw this comment last night and ive been thinking about it ever since. You’re so fucking right that it’s painful

[@ripwednesdayadams]

Lol no parent is losing custody because they don’t have a bed- rich or poor. The US child welfare system is fucked in general. It’s hard for bio parents to lose custody. It takes a concerted effort and the parents really have to fuck up repeatedly in serious ways. It took my aunt and uncle 4 years to win full custody of my twin cousins. Their parents were literal heroin addicts and were living out of a motel, shooting up in front of the kid. It still took YEARS. Look at the case of Gabriel Fernandez and other children who have died or been seriously hurt in the care of their bio parents while they had ongoing cps cases. The goal is always to reunite bio families but at what cost????

[@drill4206]

😂dude my house burned to the ground 6 months later we had a place with air beds that popped constantly. Moorhead university carpenters in training made my daughter a frame and raised money for the mattress. Ppl dont lose kids because of no bed but if it adds up to a lot missing essentials then its can show a history of abuice (yt think that words a no no so I misspelled it intentionally 😊 before the grammar popo comes😂) but no if it's just no bed I doubt it. Punishing a kid from a bed and not having one are completely different in my opinion also. It's like using food as punishment. She did it because she could. They were her kids she knew best. But again I've seen horrible stories about how inept cps is. So yeah maybe they would remove a child rather than helping. Man I wish I could go back in time to when I still believed people entered into certain jobs because they were good and want to help..how I wish..its interesting to see so many different opinions. I'm from the south by the way, bed happened in Kentucky...yeah I know Kentucky thinks they are the south but everyone knows it ya north of I-10 you a yankee😂😂 I've been up here 10 years and they pulled my southern card at the 5 year mark😝🤷‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[@leighilynn]

There’s absolutely NOTHING that justifies the trauma and horror that these children have endured. Starvation and malnourishment, removing their own beds, sending them to camps??? And humiliating them on camera???! These acts don’t just violate ethics, they violate the most BASIC rights of human beings…

[@liviwaslost]

This is why we need harsher punishments for child abuse and neglect. Fines and a bit of jail time is not enough.

[@abbysmith2256]

I lived through a very similar situation but fortunately the parents that I had at the time were adoptive and they did end the adoption. But I can’t imagine being stuck like they were. I only endured a year and a half of abuse but these poor kids man.. it really hurts my heart I hope they can get peace 🖤

[@chelscara]

The fact these camps are legal in the US is insane. Parents can truly do just about anything to their kids here as long as they’re well off.

[@comicsans3537]

Yeah, you need to never be allowed to care for a child again if ypu do shit that isnt just "i didnt realize x action was emotional abuse, i am fixing it" @@liviwaslost

[@debbiemckeown7626]

Ruby is pleading guilty now and blaming it all on Jodi’s influence, they were both to blame for what happened and influenced each other. Kevin shouldn’t get custody of the children either.

[@KaraNolting]

To put it bluntly, Ruby gets off on her kids' misery. Have you seen the way she grins or outright laughs when her kids slip up and mention a punishment or how bad they feel about something or how they have no friends or are miserable? She loves it. She loves their sadness. It fuels her.

[@mamasass2229]

Tbh, the "troubled teen" industry wouldn't have gotten as big as it was/is if not for Dr Phil sending so many kids to them and singing their praises. Those kids and all who came after them became sacrificial lambs for a fraud's career. Even when kids he sent to the camps spoke out about abuse they'd been through, people ignored them or mocked them because he'd already done everything in his power to make them look as horrible as possible.

[@bariatric-parasite]

they were big in evangelical cults like lds. i know many kids growing up who went to these places and they promoted these places as well. granted the lds church is weird bc some regions aren't as fundamentalist but at least 50% in america are if i could guess

[@Voodoofairy88]

They've been around for quite awhile. Job Corps is one that tricks teens & young adults who didn't graduate high school &/or don't have any kind of work experience to willingly sign up under the guise of becoming "certified" & help with employment.

[@RomaMomma89]

@@Voodoofairy88one of my friends went there- I didn’t realize it counts as one of these camps 😳

[@wmdkitty]

@@RomaMomma89 It doesn't. Job Corps is legitimate.

[@tea_time_t]

I knew a guy who went to one on the 90s, when he couldn’t have been more than 13. We called it "boot camp" then for some reason. He was kind of a bully, but probably had learning disabilities his parents didn’t want to accept. I hope he's doing okay now.

[@birdie6359]

**MAJOR UPDATE:* On 12/18, Franke pled guilty to 4 of the 6 child abuse counts (the remaining 2 were dropped as part of a plea deal) & she’s agreed to testify against Hildebrandt. Her sentencing’s scheduled for February 20th of next year. Despite this, it still seems as though her attorneys are trying to place a lot of the blame onto Hildebrandt-really adding salt to the gaping wound. And because Hildebrandt hasn’t entered a plea yet, it’s unclear when her next court appearance is. Although this case is _FAR_ from over, it’s one step closer to justice for the Franke children.

[@Vixenspirit]

Thank you for the update.

[@anjad.3656]

I just hope the children get all the money she made off their back. Doesn't resolve all the wrong she did them but it would be the bare minimum. Plus, we need new laws that make it veeeery difficult to show your children in social media posts.

[@artsridley]

​@@anjad.3656especially with the rise of AI too (how despicable people use photos of children to make horrific 'content'). The safety of children is basically ignored in today's day and age. IF someone was delusional enough to make a family channel, at least make sure the children get the same protection as child actors - no, MORE protection.

[@cyberfox7249]

Thanks for the update

[@katiehambrick4079]

She literally admitted to physically torturing her two youngest children. As in she admitted to kicking her son repeatedly.

[@seaweed135]

I love your continual emphasis that the father had a part to play. It should be impossible for him to just slip away as an “innocent bystander”

[@anjad.3656]

Exactly. Being complicit is just as bad as perpetrating the abuse. A decent person would have left and taken the kids with them, fought for custody before the courts.

[@kaykeunil]

@@anjad.3656yes, and I feel like it would be more obvious if he was also a victim of her abuse. Not saying that he wasn’t, but his actions scream enabler, someone who doesn’t care about the mental well-being of their kids. The fact that there’s no evidence of the father even trying to help the kids (e.g. sneaking them food or yk, getting the son a temporary bed) is….not good. Yeah.

[@graeson3317]

About the privacy thing. I'm currently 17 and I still tell my mom everything. The main reason I'm not a "sneaky" teenager is because she respects me. She gives me my own space. I have a room and a diary and when I work out how I feel I tell her. It hasn't always been like this but with hard work and therapy we have mutual respect and I don't feel the need to hide from her. I'm able to trust her with sensitive things. If you are struggling with you teen hiding things it may be time to self reflect and see if the way you have reacted in the past made them fear telling you something now.

[@mercuryexplorer]

100% agree! Congrats on your improved relationship with your mother. I just turned 25 and we're still working on it.

[@pitifulgirl]

i’m 28 and still tell my mom everything because she respected my boundaries. i’m happy you had a similar experience as me.

[@robinthetactician4649]

Same it's why I still tell my mom everything and I'm 26. She respects me and I respect her. I'm glad you have a good relationship it's just horrible parents like ruby and Kevin exist

[@radschele1815]

Same with me, tbh. My mom forced me to go to therapy, but yeah

[@clownRatcity]

That’s me and my mum too, treating your kid like an actual person goes a long way

[@nita7703]

What's even worst about Kevin, is that he tried to have his oldest daughter arrested and was dissapointed when he couldn't get the police to arrest her

[@chime-girl]

That's because he has something to hide. When the police released all the contents (laptops, computers, etc) from the house to the oldest daughter, that's when he wanted her arrested and claimed she stole property. He's just as guilty.

[@linahrae]

my mom tried to get me arrested for auto theft bc she kicked me out so i was sleeping in my own car as a teen. she was livid when the police didn’t arrest me and give me a felony. a felony that would ruin the rest of my life 🙄 cops did the right thing in that case, imo.

[@linahrae]

kevin is just as guilty as ruby.

[@hauntedshadowslegacy2826]

@@linahrae Caaaaasual permanent restraining order? Yes? Right?

[@maddieb.4282]

Even murderers get beds and 3 square meals a day in prison. And we’re supposedly punishing them for the worst possible crime. But we recognize that human rights are a concept separate from punishment and potential rehabilitation. Too bad some parents do a worse job at caring for their children than the prison-industrial complex would…

[@thenumber1hero]

Not if you’re in some private prisons but I agree with your point!

[@pepper1115]

Great take! The prison industrial complex sets a low bar and Franke couldn’t even meet it for her own children.

[@hellomello258]

Ruby isn't the only parent who has treated her children worse than a prisoner. My godkid's biomom confined them to bed, required complete silence, gave them 2 short scheduled bathroom breaks per day and fed them only the blandest food like muffins and oatmeal. She did this for an entire summer because her child "stole" food by keeping snacks in their bedroom to make sure they were able to eat enough. This mom "misses [her child] like air" but has voluntarily passed up every opportunity to see them since they left home two years ago to live with a family friend (who is no longer a friend of the mom because the mom feels they "stole" her child by providing an abuse free home). In good news, the kid is almost 15, happier than they've ever been, going to private school to catch up from educational neglect, and has real friends for the first time in their life. They're going to prom tonight. Only a year ago they said they didn't need to be friends with same age people because they were too "adult" to have anything in common with anyone their age. They've made massive progress.

[@mmbaszak5028]

To call your daughter's diary an item of deception is effing wild.

[@MdArtzTGr]

Assistant director at a school here. I've had to sit in on conversations just like the one Ruby described. It's ironic to me how she demeans her children for being so "selfish" when she and parents like her have the audacity to try and force everybody else to fall in with their beliefs. I'm so glad they stood up for their teachers, and Ruby's meltdown when she realizes she won't get what she wants is hilarious to me. She's allowed to have these emotional reactions, but her children can't? So glad she's finally getting what she deserves.

[@abbyabbybobabby3117]

When I was in fifth grade, my teacher accidentally got the lunch count wrong and I was left without a lunch. I was really upset and just sitting there crying. The school called my dad and he came super quickly with a lunch. He came to the classroom to give it to me directly, and gave me a hug. He even drew a funny face and a sweet message on a sticky note and left it in the bag. I'm really glad that my parents aren't like this lady.

[@ashlynnwatt6151]

W dad

[@ladystarfire23]

That's how parents should respond if they can. I at least would go quickly online and make sure they had money on their school account! Even this year when my 2 youngest are in high school and middle school.

[@InkSansDrawz]

THIS HEALED MY DADDY ISSUES. /lh but fr thats awesome

[@tessmary1831]

When I was 6 or 7 I forgot it was pyjama day one day and went to school in regular clothes. My teacher noticed I was sad (because who wants to miss out on pyjama day) and offered to call my mom, who brought me pyjamas to change into so I wouldn't have to miss out on the pyjama day. That's literally just something fun, not even necessary and my mom did it. And this psycho won't even bring her kid FOOD.

[@louiseogden1296]

Like when I was 6 too. My mum made her own lunch when she did supply teaching and mine in identical containers. I hated peanuts (I like them now but it took a long time) but when I opened my lunchbox I discovered she'd given me her box full of peanuts rather than my sandwiches and crisps. I was really upset and tried to eat a few peanuts, but eventually I told someone what had happened and my mum got my lunch to me ASAP. It's a funny story nearly forty years on, not a moment of shame and hunger and savage dissection of my failings as a six year old on KZbin. (Another nostalgic thing that happened was just last Christmas, I saw the little sheep erasers I know we had as kids in the crackers she gave to my nephews just this last Christmas. It was really nice that she'd saved them up for them all these years -- she tends not to be happy with the contents of Christmas crackers and has a stash of small metal trinkets to put inside -- and then she collects them up afterwards and hides them for next year. There were some little necklaces with fish hanging from them that kept coming out, as well as the sheep erasers. (lol we call them rubbers in the UK so it was tough to write this paragraph without unintentional double entendres about ovine sexuality...)

[@kasiraechan]

These are the same parents that say "Why don't my children ever see/talk to me anymore?!" when the kids finally get out of there.

[@mariaparabello6344]

Jody has a grown daughter too - who hasn't talked to her for years... Go figure 🙄

[@flarestorm9417]

Yep. They're the parents that get stuck in a nursing home and curse the name of their kids. Sure, bad kids exist, but when I see that, my first question is "what did you do when raising your children that made them not want to be around you?" People can act very different when they no longer have to rely on you.

[@emotionalkryptonite1161]

Wait so Ruby won't drive to the school to give her kid food, but she WILL drive to the school to berate the staff about dancing and music she doesn't like

[@HaintblueRee]

Wild right?!

[@cocoabeanzwantstopuzzle]

how self-centered can she be? Like, she clearly doesn't love her kids!! It's all about her. How egotistical... disgusting! Why did she even have kids!? To prop herself up?? Then maybe she should RAISE THEM??? You'd think being a good mom would help you!!

[@Lisa-mw6te]

​@@cocoabeanzwantstopuzzleShe had kids because all Mormons are expected to produce future tithers. Her husband wanted six.

[@JC-ls4if]

@@Lisa-mw6teexactly what people are missing from this story no one did anything because the entire community was all apart of a cult together

[@ladystarfire23]

That was my thought as well. Thank goodness she'll see some prison time. I hope it's at **least** 30 years.

[@scottaznavourian3720]

There's a podcast ruby did where she says all u need to know about her. Speaking about 12 month old eve knocking over a cup and ruby TELLIng her to clean it up. If she can treat an infant like a maid, imagine how she treats the older kids

[@juliegarrett8389]

I think the darkest and ugliest part of the videos is the unbridled malicious glee on her face when she torments and humiliates her children. It is sick, sadistic and twisted. She is a monster, and her husband is no better, he has enabled her to treat his own children like this for years.

[@chloskyskies4399]

Yes! Especially that bit about the teacher being “uncomfortable”about her child going hungry. As if the issue the teacher had was their own personal discomfort, rather than the situation itself-the fact that a child was going hungry, and was not having one of their most vital needs met. “Natural consequence” my @ss, you can follow that philosophy about non-vital wants, if you really must- but not for necessities. Your whole job as a parent is to make sure those needs are met even if your child screws up. You’re supposed to be the safety net that catches them when they fall, so they don’t die from hitting the concrete. It’s the whole point of keeping your kid around to parent them, instead of just ditching them asap. (Also she’s acting as if food is some hedonistic indulgence, like a new phone, rather than one of the five most basic requirements for survival: food, water, air, sleep, and shelter. The literal bare minimum you must provide for your child to keep them _alive._ They aren’t optional. What’s worse is that food isn’t the only thing they don’t respect on that list.)

[@SaintShion]

I grew up with a parent like Ruby, someone who took joy in punishing us, amping the punishment up to make sure it hurt. (My parent has APSD, aka sociopathy along with many other problems on the house). It wasn't till I was 21 that Maslows hierarchy was explained to me. That things like Lower-level basic needs like food, water, safety, and health must be met first before higher needs like physiological wellness, safety, love/belonging, esteem can be fulfilled. I didnt even know food was a need not a want. That children absolutely require and deserve personal privacy. I can completely understand what Shari went through thinking her parents behavior was normal and what they did/believed was normal because she didnt know anything different to omg my parents were abvsing us, and no they're not normal at all.

[@SevenReads007]

@@SaintShionwishing you love as you recover, no one deserves to feel the way so many kids are made to feel. ❤

[@birch2346]

The forgetting lunch thing easily happens in the morning rush, it’s absolutely ridiculous that ruby can’t be bothered to bring her 6 year old some food. Children forget things it’s normal, they should never be denied food because of it.

[@mestillme3026]

A 6 year old should not be having to make their own lunch every morning in the first place. Ruby is a stay at home mom. What is she so busy doing that she can't make lunch for her kids? She's also a millionaire. She could easily hire somebody to make lunch for the kids if she doesn't want to. Also speaking of her being a millionaire, why was her teenage kid sharing a bedroom with his brother, who was half his age, when Ruby lives in a dang mansion?

[@dangerxbadger2300]

I actually recently went the fuck off on my daughter's kindergarten teacher because she sent my daughter home in high 30 weather without her goddamn coat, only in a t-shirt. When I kindly messaged her and asked her to please remember to send my daughter home in a coat every day because it's winter time and it's cold out and our family is low income and that was her one warm layer, she proceeded to send me a photo of my daughter's coat lying on the classroom floor and told me, "I can't chase after her, I gave her reminders, she needs to learn responsibility". WHEN I TELL YOU I WENT OFF. Not to her, but to her boss and my daughter's IEP facilitator. I'm sorry, but food, shelter, clothes are REQUIRED TO SURVIVE so idgaf how old the damn child is, YOU MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THOSE THINGS before sending them out into the world. She immediately and very sheepishly messaged me back a few hours later saying she "didn't mean any ill will". My daughter hasn't come home like that since. 🤣

[@LexitaMai]

​@@dangerxbadger2300 Nah, be careful with that teacher. She clearly doesn't care about your kids safety or wellbeing

[@itswhatever816]

And when she said "I hope the teacher or he school doesn't give her food. She should go hungry." Girl whaaaaat

[@justkiddin84]

Ruby is obviously a twisted, lazy, selfish person. And a sadistic pervert.

[@1994ggril]

I could talk for hours about my own experience being “sent away”. It’s something I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy.

[@Tapp_]

I hope you're doing well

[@dangerxbadger2300]

I'm so sorry that happened to you. I was the black sheep and always made to feel like the love I received was in spite of who I was instead of because of it, but bc of my stepmom, they never actually sent me away. She never would've stood for that.

[@vickinator]

I hope you’re doing OK and wish you all the best! I’m so sorry for you and you didn’t deserve to be sent away!

[@sophiemilligan955]

Sending love, strength, support,and healing your way darling❤️‍🩹

[@adelle3068]

Same here. I see you survivor ❤️

[@courtneymaria56]

In those conversations with them she's not even talking to them, she's looking at the camera and talking to the audience, trying to prompt a certain answer out of them 😭

[@courtneymaria56]

She's treating parenting like a fun social experiment

[@caligamer5364]

I noticed that too. I don’t understand this woman or her awful “parenting” style

[@ineffable_eldritch_horror131]

The cancelling christmas statement always gets me because she essentially said that the kids don't get to celebrate christmas because they make everyone they meet miserable. She specifically mentions their teachers, friends, family, and even themselves as "parents". She even said that gifts are representations of their love. If that was said to me as a child it would traumatize me. That is something that adult me would have to spend years working through. She told her young kids that she doesn't love them and they make everyone around them feel bad. They aren't even old enough to understand that their mom is a bad person and that being treated that way is wrong, and that's so sad.

[@buddhabunnee]

The part of the Christmas thing that broke my heart is she specifically still held xmas for the other kids, brought the "bad" kids out to watch, and FILMED THEM LOOKING SAD/REJECTED AND UPLOADED IT ONTO KZbin???? Along with some shitty bitchy comment on top of the filming like who the fuck does that to their own children???

[@チャーリー-d1q]

Oooo😢😢Hurt

[@KeiranTrick]

Almost 30 and still unpacking that trauma 🎉 I hope eventually those kids are able to help each other, bond through the trauma if possible. It helps to have others to lean on who've been through the same struggle.

[@shamedgeeky]

Not only was ruby instilling diet culture, she was also withholding food as a punishment. She did everything she could to prevent her kids from having a healthy relationship with food

[@transsnack]

Speaking from experience, I wouldn't be surprised if they have life long food security issues. Food was used as a punishment for my siblings and I as a kid, and now we're all screwed up. I have actual food aggression, a condition seen in dogs more than people. It's so bad I'd rather eat in my car than with other people. My sister is so stressed about food she eats while sleepwalking. One of my brothers over eats and the other has severe body image issues. Anyone who withholds food as a punishment is a failure as a parent.

[@courtney9899]

So heartbreaking. It's going to be a lifelong issue

[@livvybear929]

@@transsnackyou aren’t wrong my Bestfriends mom use to lock the fridge with bolts and the cabinets had locks on them as well. She’s a meth addict till this day and i did everything as a kid myself to get him use to eating around me. I’m Hispanic and in our household we were taught to feed each other even if we don’t have enough we share. When I turned 19 and he was 18 we moved out of state and he wouldn’t eat he’d smoke and drink without food I had to ease him into eating again. It’s heartbreaking when people do that to their kids the closest to food limits I had was when I got diagnosed with type 1 my mom took every sugary item out of my reach because she was told I wasn’t allowed sugar now as an adult she’s okay with me eating sugar since many other doctors than my first one said I could eat anything as long as it’s not a everyday thing and I have my medicine to cover

[@livvybear929]

@@transsnackas an adult now I can’t enjoy sugary things no matter how much I want it. I think helping me regulate my sugar intake would’ve been better.

[@em01455]

I relate to the food aggression,my sister liked to steal my food from me when we were kids. Sometimes it was an accident because kids don’t always think past their wants (wich is fine) but mostly she just wanted to test how far she could push, how much food she could take from me until I snapped or starved. That mixed with diet culture and pressure to sacrifice my own wants and needs for her lead to not only legit food aggression(bared teeth and all) but also a really awful binge restrict cycle where I would punish myself for “being a bad daughter” by starving myself and making myself “earn” the right to eat. Followed by periods of intense binging (usually at parties or around holidays) where I would eat passed the point of illness just so nobody could take it away from me since I couldn’t take good home for myself for later. I can only imagine what you and those other children went through if one bad sister and some other less severe stuff caused that in me.

[@Frogwitch1129]

As a teacher, I’ve dealt with parents like this psycho. I applaud the principal for standing behind the teacher. You’re right, we don’t get paid enough

[@ladystarfire23]

Thank you for choosing to be a teacher. I see you and know how hard you work. I hope you have a gentle holiday.

[@ZedNull.]

Is low pay why teachers are letting such dunces graduate as of late? Theres legit people who cant do basic math but manage to graduate high school now. We need better pay AND higher standards to teach children if you ask me.

[@raisedfromash]

@@ZedNull. The school system is completely messed up, the low pay and lack of proper funding in general causes larger classroom sizes, meaning teachers can't give every single child the attention they may need if they are really struggling. That and a lot of teachers physically cant put 100% of their energy into lesson plans when they dont make enough money so they need to work a 2nd or even 3rd job. Even my college professors almost ALL had 2nd jobs to support themselves. It's really tragic what its doing to the kids, and i agree that higher standards need to be upheld, but honestly theres so much reform that needs to be done and its so much bigger than just being able to blame individual teachers or children. They all need more support than theyre getting.

[@FlatAssTruther]

LOVE FOR TEACHERS ❤❤❤❤. I hope you're having/had a wonderful winter break.

[@allisonwest7079]

​@@raisedfromashMy dad is a college professor and he has not one but two side jobs on top of teaching to help pay the bills for our family. It's ridiculous

[@LexitaMai]

I can't help but continue being drawn into every aspect of this story because my parents were part of ConeXions. It's eerily similar to what I went through. Parents were essentially taught that repentance was more important than anything. You had to pound obedience and respect and diligence and perfection into your children. And if we fell short, the expectation was that the punishment would NOT be equal to the misbehavior- you needed to ensure that you brought your child to repentance, which meant taking them literally PAST the point that they were able to handle. "They need to be completely broken to reach true repentance, and then be built back up in the way you want them to be" is an exact quote from the ConeXions teachings that I was raised on. Parents were encouraged to first bring their child to full submission- past the point of crying or begging and kicking, where you can't do anything but just sit there and take it because you're so tired and broken- and ONLY AFTER being brought to that state of full submission, would the actual punishment begin. Because "what will they learn if they aren't at full submission? They aren't listening with an open, honest heart until then". It's no wonder that they found those kids tied up and starved and bruised. It's exactly in line with ConeXions teachings of pushing kids PAST what they can handle so you can break them completely. I'm thankful every single day that I was able to make it out of my situation alive, and that those kids were able to, as well. But there's so much trauma and brainwashing and confusion when you first escape, then it's going to take years and years to even begin to heal. I wish them all the best.

[@kieramaccourt8717]

I'm so glad you made it out! Everything I hear about ConXions really worries me. I was never interested in "family" channels, so I only ever heard about the 8 passengers channel when there was outrage about something. IMHO, a lot more light needs to be shed on ConXions and their influence. To me, it sounds like a cult. I hope you find strength and healing for yourself!

[@caligamer5364]

Sounds more like slavery than parenting. What a horrible group

[@charlieinabeanie9125]

Can we just applaud Fraser for not only being so incredible as to make a 5-hour video detailing all of this situation but also respecting those kids more than their “mother” ever did 💜

[@8bitgalaxyhunts]

"I was a neglectful mother because I gave my kids everything they wanted :((" Unless they want a bedroom, or to mess about with their siblings, or if they want to get out of a river, or if they want a diary, or if they want a door on a bathroom, or if they want to express their opinion, or if they want to be a normal kid, or if they want to dance to music, or if they WANT FOOD.

[@Toneill029]

No she was neglectful because she wasn’t at her most extreme form the start, that is what she is referring to. She neglected them by not being an absolute tyrant.

[@TheRPGNerd]

i remember hearing the call to 911, that man sounded so upset. hes a true saint. he sounded like he was actually crying because of this kid, whom he may or may not have known before now, and their condition. i wish him many blessings. he did the one thing so many others either didnt do, or tried and failed to: he got those kids out.

[@AnxietyRaptor]

The unfortunate reality is children in the United States have no rights. Parents can get away with all sorts of horrifying behaviors and punishments, as long as they arnt leaving marks, or other physical evidence.

[@Ruhrohraggy23345]

True, alot is glossed over.

[@Nina-notasausage.]

True! The only OECD country not to sign the Geneva convention on the rights of the child I think... 😬

[@buta6608]

I have a friend who was sent to a wilderness camp as a young teen and it, to this day, mentally ruined him. He's better now but still struggles with PTSD from it.

[@jimena6194]

I have yet to hear good things about those camps

[@buta6608]

@@jimena6194 Same. Even the people who didn't have As bad of a time still have a lot of trauma from the experience

[@keytyper4296]

Those goddamn places are nothing more than a cop-out for rich parents to send “problem” kids. If they really gave half a crap about those kids, they would take them camping themselves, spend real off camera time with them.

[@buta6608]

@@keytyper4296 or just insanely desperate and gullible parents

[@lordfreerealestate8302]

And that sh*t is often inflicted on teens who already come from broken homes or deal with issues. Traumatizing and inflicting cruelty won't make kids into better, more functional citizens.

[@caliwagg1898]

What timing. Ruby just pleaded guilty today. I hope those poor kids never have to have contact with her again.

[@MRSFeeX]

When they are older and stronger, maybe they will confront her, without fear or punishment..I hope they can heal..It is a lot of trauma they have to bear..

[@spailpin710]

I think they probably appreciate the drama channels coverage, weirdly? It has to be reassuring - especially considering the gaslighting they suffered for so long. And yes, I too hope they never have to deal with her again.

[@melissa9734]

I will NEVER get over the diary thing. Like yes the child is protecting themselves by NOT sharing how horrible they think their parents are. If they actually shared that with the parent, they'd be abused even more. Both parents and Jodie both deserve life in prison. Absolutely evil.

[@hatetheusername]

it’s such a violation. at the start of my first psychiatric ward admission, my mum went through my room (tbf she was looking for hidden sharps), found my diary and decided to give it TO THE DR then told me she was gonna put it in the attic bc she thought me rereading it would be unhelpful. i remember how violated and embarrassed i felt. diaries are a safe place to get everything out. those poor kids:(

[@Asmielle]

I do want to tell Ruby and Jodi the tale of a young girl that had the lock of her diary broken and the contents thrown at her like weapons. And I want to tell them in what that resulted.

[@RavingKats]

I can't believe how hard you went at this. Took me 3 days to finish it. These ppl are horrible, and as someone who was badly physically ab*sed my entire childhood and tried to seek help, I really dislike the societal institutions that are supposed to protect kids and it's infuriating that in 2023 they're just as useless at stepping in as they were in the early 1990s. It really takes the adults who witness these things to advocate for kids in these situations.

[@thatwitchychick2717]

My parents treated it like a crime for me to have my own thoughts. When they found out I had a crush on a boy in middle school that I had never even spoken to (through reading my diary) i got the beating of a lifetime. My parents werent religious but they were the most controlling people I've ever encountered. Ruby and Kevin remind me of them in the most uncomfortable way.

[@thatwitchychick2717]

It really is horrific. It took me a lot of therapy to even begin to grasp what my parents did to me. I'm so glad that the younger kids got out when they did. It's so scary to not know if your family is going to kill you or not. The neighbors said that they expected to see the kids taken out of the house they were found in in body bags.. there's no more hopeless situation for a kid to be in.

[@azyraphae]

The lunch thing shocks me. I don't have children, but I do have ADHD, which means... I very well might forget to pack their lunch if it was a hectic morning. However! As soon as the school called me, I would be apologising a thousand times and bringing my kid a lunch immediately. And then having their favorite dinner as an apology, as I'd be apologising to my child too. How cruel... I feel terrible when I forget my dog's food by a few minutes, I can't imagine doing this to a six year old child...

[@420avery69]

Perfectly stated. I've been volunteering at an elementary school for one of my college classes and that's really something the school should have reported. Mandated reporter laws vary a little by state but ruby refusing to bring her child lunch is definitely something the teachers I work with would consider a "report" situation. School staff are supposed to report any reasonable suspicion of abuse or neglect. What Ruby did absolutely warrants suspicion of neglect and I'd be beyond shocked if the school didn't contact CPS.

[@theflea3469]

The lunch thing was actually the least shocking thing for me, personally...I have severe ADHD as well, so forgetting things growing up was a near daily experience. 6 years old is FAR too young to be THAT level of harsh...however, I think it would be a more reasonable response, depending on the child's development, around 10-12... Just because we know how unforgiving the world can be to people like us (who are easily distracted/forgetful). It was NOT a reasonable response the way Franke framed it. She seemed...sadistic. Like she ENJOYED the thought of her child feeling hunger pains AND telling the teacher that she WON'T bring her lunch (not that she literally "can't" but Franke was making it clear that she would not out of personal choice). To an older child, I can see it as being a healthy consequence...age 10-12, to tell them they are physically unable to bring them lunch? The child won't perceive it as being abandoned by choice, but a responsibility they can take charge of in the future. They will be a bit uncomfortable until they get home and can get a snack, but they won't starve to death... To an older child, it could be a valuable lesson as it was to myself...around that age, my mother was a school bus driver and my father was serving in Iraq. My Mom couldn't drive home with a bus full of kids and my Dad couldn't fly from Iraq to bring me lunch...that first day of forgetting made me alter my behavior by writing a checklist of "things to do" before leaving for school... I suppose I could see Franke's core point, but not under ANY of the circumstances she was actually in... The child was way too young, she ensured her child (and teacher) knew this "lesson" was out of spite (and not inability), and she reveled in the hunger pains her daughter would feel (while cloaking it as a "lesson to be learned"). It's F'ed up fr.

[@azyraphae]

@theflea3469 And yeah, with a teenager, sure. It was on me if I forgot to grab money or a lunch for school/forgot to ask my parents. But the fact that she said, basically, she hoped no one would give her food... the look on her face was so... disturbing and gross. She was enjoying the thought of her child hurting. I don't care the cause. I don't care about whether she's right or not because taking that sort of sadistic pleasure in the pain of your child, at any age, is beyond disgusting. It is totally screwed up, like you said. =/

[@mestillme3026]

Ruby is a millionaire that doesn't work and was a stay at home mom. Yet her children, even the kindergarteners had to do all of the cleaning and cooking and be in charge of making and packing their own lunch. Even if Ruby was too lazy to do it she could easily have hired someone to do all that. But no, she'd rather her kids do all that. That way she can set them up for failure and then punish them for failing.

[@StrawberryMilkk224]

The worst part is that the child was in charge of making her own lunch at SIX years old...

[@CattTheCat]

I don't know why it bothered me enough to point it out here, but her comment about the principal being "a 25 young girl" just really grinded my gears. I'm an aide at a school, and my mom is an admin for our district. There is NO WAY someone my age could possibly be a principal. You need a masters degree in education, a minium of two years teaching (usually more), a principal's certification, and most places won't hire you as a principal until you've worked as an AP or other administrative position first, so *maybe* you could become a principal by like 27 if you graduate high school with the specific goal of becoming one, but the chances are so slim that it's far more likely that she's percieving her as younger so she can be demeaning about her. So that comment on top of her fucking crocodile tears over her made up problems found just the right way to piss me off

[@chibiktsn3]

I think she misspoke or phrased it a weird way, but the "25 year old" seems to have been an assistant to the principal the longer you listen to Ruby's unhinged rant. She seems to think the younger woman is on her side, when the poor thing was likely just dying of embarrassment. My husband's a teacher, and when I told him about it, he suspected that someone in the school might have advised the teacher/principal not to include that song portion into the medley to avoid this exact scenario (i.e. a parent blowing the situation out of proportion and ruining everyone's fun). Imo, that young woman might have been thinking, "I told them someone was going to pitch a fit, and look what happened." Just my speculation, though!

[@brianacoman4011]

I think it was a manipulation tactic to get people on her side. She called the principal twenty-five years old, and that she was yelling at her. I find it hard to believe that a principal would yell at a parent over a song choice disagreement.

[@urgae9125]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@brianacoman4011to be fair, this is the same country that had a little boy arrested by the cops and detained in solitary confinement. If you simply look up “child being arrested mental health,” you get a plethora of videos and news coverages of them abusing their power against developmentally disabled kids. Texas cops actually put an 11yo in solitary confinement for 3 days after the principal of his school refused to let him see the counselor for his mental health. I have no clue how a chubby 11 year old was so threatening to guys with guns that he needed to be forced in a small room, no contact with his family or anyone, for 3 days.

[@radschele1815]

Tbh, imo, it doesn't really matter, if she lied or but. With 25 years, if you're in a position like this, for whatever reason, you're capable in most cases. She also sounded VERY professional, the way she was described by the crying Ruby 😂. Like a wall of bricks built against a Karen. Whatever her age i kinda love her, because she made Ruby cry🤭

[@lesterine77]

Thats the thing that pissed you off? Thats literally the last thing that pisses me off about that woman. Smh.

[@lucyst8]

I'm a mum who has spent the last two days making a magical Christmas for my kids. Just imagining taking away the biggest day of the year for them them makes my stomach twist and brings me to the edge of tears. They would be absolutely broken by such a cruel punishment, and I can't imagine WILLINGLY doing that for ANY reason. Those poor babies.

[@gdave53925_]

I personally feel KZbin should ban all content makers utilizing minors. This is the only way to protect kids from parents willing to sell out their kids for money.

[@blackdahlia42]

THIS. it's disgusting how family channels keep being popular and lucrative when there's been SO MANY cases of the children of family channels being abused 😢😢 not gonna lie as well, this seems to be a repeated issue with Mormon families specifically and I really wonder if Mormonism needs a severe look at if it should just be registered as a cult instead of a valid religion

[@gdave53925_]

@@blackdahlia42 there are several channels about people that have escaped Mormonism. It is very cult-like and up there with Scientology.

[@Keyonne88]

@@blackdahlia42 There are several "valid religions" that fail the BITE model and should be cults. At least specific sects of them. Mormanism and Jahovah Witness being two of them.

[@DrJazzyBonespHd]

I don’t believe on a strict ban on all minor content, but I believe that any “family” account has to have partial profits go into a separate account for any minor involved, like 20% taken directly per kid, or split even for large families, all profits to the minors. There are some ethical channels like PleasentPeasants (mamacusses) who only posts videos of her teenage daughter with her permission and full involvement but even then it’s mostly just videos of the mom telling stories about her toddlers which are never seen on camera except their backs once or twice and names never shared. This is ethical. We need an ethics board for family channels

[@gdave53925_]

@@DrJazzyBonespHd There need to be laws put in place to protect kids on KZbin, they are working and the families are not following child protection laws. It's not just the money that matters, the children's well being is far more important than the money.

[@StarlingAurora]

It's sad that so many parents say that "food isn't a right it's a privilege " that's so cruel. My own step mother did this to me where she would starve me for 3 days at a time then call it 'stealing food' if I tried to feed myself. Bad bad parents >:c

[@tribble_omg]

I hope you’re doing better now ❤

[@StarlingAurora]

I am thank you ♡

[@kingdionysus1867]

I hope you are doing alright now. It's such a shame you were treated that way. I would also hope you're treating yourself with the love, care, affection you truly deserve. Much love and hugs.

[@StarlingAurora]

@kingdionysus1867 thank you! It's been many years since then and I'm living with a new family that loves and feeds me ♡ thank you so much for the well wishes I'm just a little shy cause I'm not used to sympathy but thank you and all who wish me well it makes me very happy!

[@StarlingAurora]

@@NewEasterWhoDis thank you! I'm also learning how to cook now! I'm not very good at it but I'm doing my best c:

[@atlasbarrett]

what’s really heartbreaking is that my best friend was in a similar situation with her parents and she filed two separate CPS reports and we called the cops twice, and when we spoke to the cops, when we did have evidence of physical abuse, they simply didn’t care. They didn’t care about the fact her mom took away all of her belongings, and was verbally and emotionally abusing her and her siblings for YEARS. they simply didn’t care and said that legally they couldn’t arrest someone for how they choose to punish their kids unless it was inherently physical and there was proof of it. The american legal system truly just doesn’t care for emotional abuse nearly as much as they should and it’s heartbreaking. I’m glad Ruby is finally facing the repercussions of her actions but it breaks my heart how far abuse has to go before the law takes it seriously :(

[@sierrabird3817]

40% cop statistic always comes to mind :(

[@ItMeSinamenRoll]

I don’t know if this helps, or works everywhere, but after over a decade of every imaginable form of abuse, my dad offered me a cigarette. I was 13. When I told CPS, they immediately terminated all parental rights. One cigarette and a sibling backing me up about the cigarette was the only way we got safe.

[@hail7647]

I lived with an abusive father with a narcissistic personality disorder for 21 years (I’m currently 22). My family is LDS/Mormon and has been since before I was born-however, like Shari’s experience, my father manipulated and twisted my church’s beliefs into making all of us obey HIS gospel, not what the church actually taught. We were forced to be active in the church out of fear, and we weren’t allowed to question our beliefs at all or else we would be lectured until we “did”. It genuinely twisted the way I viewed the church and the way I lived my beliefs, and it wasn’t until my entire family broke out of that abusive relationship a year ago that I realized just how much my father not only controlled my life and my own decisions, but how much he controlled the way I *thought.* I would judge others based on my “beliefs” and assumed that others were living the church’s beliefs wrong and that I was right. I would never listen to them if they voiced any concerns about my family life, and I shut down any intense doubts about my father’s parenting (if anything, I knew that he had anger issues, but I thought that having an angry father was . . well, normal). It genuinely screwed up the way I viewed the world. My mom (who was also abused, not complicit) when referring to extreme parental abuse likes to use the “frog in a pot of water” analogy: you put a frog in boiling water, and it’ll immediately jump out. But put a frog in room temp water and slowly turn up the heat, and it will stay there and slowly boil alive. *You don’t know you’re abused until you escape the pot of boiling water and see how much you were burned.* It’s been a year since we left and six months since my mom has been officially divorced, and we’re all doing a lot better. We still are working on ourselves and definitely have a lot of trauma and messed up beliefs that we’re working through, but we’d much prefer living in the mess he left than living with him. I’m able to live my life and *my* beliefs the way *i* want and it’s amazing. Our situation was bad, but it wasn’t NEARLY as bad as Shari’s experience, so I can’t even imagine the emotional, mental, and physical stress they all are working through. My heart goes out to her and the rest of the kids, none of them deserved anything they had to endure. I hope they are able to heal and surround themselves with loving friends extended family. They deserve the world. To Ruby, Jodi, and Kevin: rot in hell. And in prison. Preferably both.

[@martijnvangelder1902]

Best of luck! Hope you can work through the shit your father left you.

[@foolishegg3850]

The way she talks about punishment/discipline/consequences sounds less like she's trying to teach her children and more like she's trying to get revenge against them. "My kids are acting selfish so i'm gonna be selfish and take away their christmas gifts", "My kid pulled a cruel prank on his brother so i'm gonna be cruel and take away his bedroom." She talks about inflicting pain and remorse on them like the end goal isn't raising a well-rounded individual but simply to hurt them because she's angry they didn't do what she said the first time.

[@bariatric-parasite]

that's exactly what it is. mormon children are told "obey your parents no matter what otherwise its a sin". so she really expected them to do what she wanted at all times.

[@dangerxbadger2300]

That's precisely the kind of parenting I'm trying to unlearn. So many people who are millennials who have kids are going through something similar when it comes to raising their children, too. As a generation, we were told that you do what you are told no matter what and if a child is not listening to their parents it's because they don't respect adults and it's bc their parents let them do whatever they want, and a disobedient child should be a HUGE source of shame for parents, they should feel embarrassed and angry, and should be harder on their kids to make them listen. It's totally the opposite of how to parent in a healthy and loving way, and it's a bitch to unlearn. I'm doing my best to do so, and I'm very grateful for the loving, stable and trusting relationship I'm forming with my daughter. It was really hard to stop liatening to those old tapes playing in my head and stop giving a fuck what strangers and other people my age who had not unpacked all of their childhood trauma thought of me and my parenting, but I'd way rather have a kid who loves and trusts and feel safe with me than the approval of strangers.

[@bariatric-parasite]

@@dangerxbadger2300 my parents did the same and it definitely strengthened our relationship and helped my younger siblings not have to deal with that

[@CainXVII]

The strangest thing is how she actually seems to laugh along at his retelling of his pranks, and then just hits you with the harsh punishment

[@dangerxbadger2300]

@@CainXVII RIGHT??? I hated that!

[@sammyi2505]

The way that she speaks about her children is so telling... She and Jodi talk about children like they're adversaries. Like every child is innately lazy, deceitful, selfish, and cruel from the minute they come out of the womb. They're parenting strictly on nature (and a false one at that), not nurture, and expecting things to turn out good and fine. It's such a broken worldview to try and raise children to...

[@justkiddin84]

Jodi’s kids are not in communication with her and have been for years. Same with Ruby’s two adult kids. Sadistic horrors.

[@deathysmile]

my mum is toxic and sociopathic. she is convinced my brother is evil. i was the golden child and this dynamic damaged us both severely. till today she talks about how he is an awful heartless person, born soulless or alien. and he tried to reconnect with her for 10 years in adulthood before finally giving up. i love him tho, he finally understands i never wanted part in it. we were both raised like pets - not children. assecories, proxies to attention. neglected mostly. but she presented herself as perfect mum to others

[@scorpionbraid]

I'm amazed you could fit all of their cruelty and insanity into such a short and concise video. This reminds me of the time one of my history teachers' summarized "The Odyssey" on two sheets of paper, front and back. Truly a technical marvel.

[@joereplier]

I feel terrible for Shari & her siblings and I hope that they can heal in time. For the younger ones, I hope they get to stick together & not under Kevin's custody. That man is an accomplice and enabler in all the abuses that went on for years!! Here's to hoping connections gets shut down for good too. Thank you for covering this topic in depth!!

[@americanredstart]

i have to say, its really really nice to see that you ALWAYS blur the faces of children involved in situations like this. im happy youre able to talk about situations without further exploiting the victims

[@arcaderat1613]

Ruby is not a person who should ever be giving parenting advice to anyone. I'm scared for the children of any parents who bought into all of her abusive crap.

[@alisonmercer5946]

I remember people defending her. Saying she was teachung responsibility and people are too soft these days and blah blah blah the usual stuff child abusers say to defend abuse as necessary discipline

[@alisonmercer5946]

And all of the people trying them to you tube and to authorities . Nothing done . Had to take thAt starving tied up child running away to finally be helped.

[@wldncrzy1971]

The information Jodi uses is the same crap peddled by the IBLP. Duggars, etc…and Jodi read the same books Chad Vallow and Lori Vallow read…THAT is how deep this goes…

[@Heretic_real]

I was sent away by my parents for 6 months at one point and from experience what they did to chad is traumatic. Getting sent away and deprived of my support system at that age damaged my mental health permanently and even 4 years later I still have nightmares about it. It’s one of the worst things parents can legally do to their children. I mean they did a lot worse than just but still of the “acceptable” things they did it was one of the worst

[@Sharkyyo_o]

I can only imagine . I don’t know why parents think that that is a solution .

[@glassesmcdorkface]

as someone who is still experiencing familial abuse at age 26, thank you for this and helping raise awareness

[@loegansolraven7042]

25 and same here❤💔

[@loegansolraven7042]

25 and same here❤💔

[@loegansolraven7042]

25 and same here❤💔

[@loegansolraven7042]

25 and same here❤💔

[@loegansolraven7042]

25 and same here❤💔

[@user-xd7dt6gr8l]

regarding the river clip- if you're encouraging a child to overcome a fear, they have to be the one facing it. if you force them you risk traumatizing them and making that fear far worse. if you're scared of spiders and work up the courage to pick one up, that could be a confidence boost and progress on moving past a fear. if you're scared of spiders and someone drops live spiders on you, that will make your fear so so much worse.

[@kathymiller6808]

That was so cruel of her, poor kids

[@aliciagiron7250]

More parents should learn to understand this. I was recently in a hit & run, that left me a little traumatized. At my grown age of 23, if I’m ever in the car with my mom she breaks hard & drives fast to try to “get rid of my fear of crashing” but it just made me never want to be in a car with her ever again. To this day I can’t seem to forgive her.

[@kathymiller6808]

@@aliciagiron7250 yea that's not good at all, my ex husband let my daughter watch a show at age 3 of spiders terrified her, took me forever to get her to sleep alone, last thing I would have done would make her look at one. I am terrified of mice and birds, something from childhood, I'm 53 now not as bad but still there, some things are just hard. I pray for your safety .

[@oougahersharr]

My nephew was afraid of snakes. So, at a circus that came to town, there was a snake handler. I asked my seven year old nephew if he wanted to get closer and see the snake. I promised he didn't have to get that close unless HE wanted to. So he agreed. The snake handler realized what was going on, several kids were around us and afraid. So, he asked if I wanted to hold the snake. I've never been afraid of snakes, so agreed. Once I handled the snake as the handler instructed me how, my nephew stepped forward and asked to try. I was so proud of him. He is not afraid of snakes now. My niece, 8, was afraid of the stingrays at Sea World, so, like I did for her brother, I handled them for her. She then laughed when one splashed me int he face. She never touched them, but she went away less afraid since I didn't get hurt, so she thought. Actually, I am allergic to fish and the sea water had gotten into my mouth. I had an extremely severe allergic reaction to that event. But my niece never associated the reaction with the Sting Rays. I don't know if she's afraid of them, but she didn't seem to be after that day. You show the kids, comfort them, assure them they don't have to do it. Whereas my nephew changed his mind and did the activity, my niece did not. We never made her. Both days are happy memories in my mind because both kids came out happy after starting afraid.

[@user-xd7dt6gr8l]

@@oougahersharr These stories are super touching, and a great example of how to handle fear in children in a way that lets them positively confront it. I work with a lot of “creepy” animals, and I’ve had the pleasure of seeing a lot of people overcome their fears when they see me handling them. My senior year of highschool I had multiple free periods (including the period that covered all of the lunches) and I spent them in the room of an environmental science teacher (coolest guy ever). He had multiple pet snakes and I’d handle them daily. Somehow word spread about it to some people, and during people’s lunch periods they’d come to see the snakes. A lot of them were afraid of snakes and didn’t know much about them, but I had the chance to educate them, and some kids worked up the courage to touch or even hold the snakes. I absolutely loved doing this little accidental club (and the environmental science teacher actively encouraged it as long as the students didn’t disturb class, it was a big room). I also work with a ton of invertebrates (isopods, millipedes, mantises, spiders, etc.), and have had a similar experience getting to educate others curious about my bugs. One of my neighbors gave me a female mantis near the end of her lifespan, she was about to pass but I was able to revive her and she lived about two more weeks. In that time I brought her to school daily, and got to teach a bunch of students about her, they all absolutely adored her. She even ended up getting posted on the school’s library page!!

[@emmahos2241]

I grew up watching the 8 passengers. I have abusive parents and as a 12 year old watching these "normal" families helped me cope. The scary thing is I didn't see anything wrong with them back then.

[@SophiiLuca]

Same! I lived vicariously through these families. There was one where they adopted a lot of children, and each child had their own big room and their (adoptive) parents never yelled at each other, and I also remember one family giving therapy and service dogs to the children that were struggling mentally. I remember even just seeing them having a normal dinner time and I was so envious of them. I also didn’t see anything wrong with these channels at the time, but I don’t blame myself. My family were way too dysfunctional for me to realize something was probably wrong behind the facade these families were putting on, because all I saw was a family that looked happy.

[@emmahos2241]

@SophiiLuca Wonderfully put and I agree it's not our fault. Btw I love your pfp💜

[@RandomSwiftie13]

Abuse victims usually can't tell if a situation is abusive until it hits the sealing... That's why therapy is needed to bring them back to life.

[@Justanormallurker]

​@@RandomSwiftie13 I can second this, I was in an abusive relationship for 1.5 years, I never realized it was abusive until he got drunk one night and started an argument that lead to me crying. You love and respect your partner, or in this case, parents. You never want to believe that they are hurting you

[@ms.annthropic6341]

As an abuse victim it actually makes total sense that you never noticed any red flags. When you’re used to abuse abuse becomes “normal”, it sets your standards for what’s acceptable behaviour, so you don’t really notice it or consider it as abusive unless it’s MAJOR. I’m not sure how old you are but I’d encourage you to get some therapy/counselling before you start really dating and getting into relationships. A background of abuse will contribute to you winding up with toxic partners without you noticing anything is wrong until you’re in deep (speaking from experience), so take what action you can to spare yourself from that hell. ✌️

[@hedgers2005]

I'm amazed her kids managed to deconstruct enough to speak up and recognize that things were wrong. Good for them, that takes a lot of effort and bravery.

[@ChezBekks]

So weird to me that ruby punished chad so harshly for exploiting someone for entertainment purposes … like isn’t that exactly what ruby did for her entire channel?

[@SilverHairSimmer]

Paris Hilton was sent to a camp like the one Chad went to. Her being open about it was wild. In the late 80’s and early 90’s in the US it was common but only for very wealthy families. Dr. Phil brought the attention back to it by constantly recommending it. So abusive.

[@DrJazzyBonespHd]

Literally Catch Me Outside girl going to one and seeing her only friend there get s assaulted by a counselor. She wasn’t “fixed” she was traumatized and I honestly feel so bad for her. They stole her from her house at 3am and asked her super private questions on live tv while an audience laughed when she got uncomfortable being questioned about her own history of being assaulted. She deserved better. And these two are only known because they are tied to celebrities

[@xofrnkk9209]

same with kat von d & bhad bhabie. it's traumatic abuse designed to break a childs psyche.

[@Flumes-]

I went to one in Utah it was absolutely the lowest point in my life it is absolutely traumatizing

[@SilverHairSimmer]

@@Flumes- I am so sorry you had to experience that.

[@marsy24-o6b]

Good on you for blurring the kids! I’m sure that took a long time while editing but showing respect to those kids is the best way to cover a situation like this! Mad respect man ❤

[@chloskyskies4399]

I remember people catching red flags and trying to get authorities involved in this years ago. It’s a shame that it had to come to _this_ in order for proper action to be taken.

[@dakotadarkness3188]

I would like to say the bean bag part struck home with me. I was 14 and idk what my mom was mad at me about, but my entire room was locked up and I was forced to sleep on the kitchen floor. FOR A YEAR. Its really common here in the south to lose your bedroom and or food privileges when you get in trouble. And trouble can be as small as not completing chores on time.

[@caligamer5364]

Your story is just crazy. I’m so sorry you lost your room - that’s just madness! And losing food is an accepted method of punishment… smh…

[@crownclowncreations]

That clip of Ruby mockingly imitating Chad's shock about living in the desert for 1.5 month, is genuinely disturbing. She looks absolutely bat-sh*t insane!

[@rebeccathistle5359]

I lived that situation with the daughter lunging for her journal. My mother and her husband tired to read my journal when I was 14, and my mother’s husband nearly punched me in the face when I tried to grab my journal from my mother. Apparently they read “Ophelia Speaks” and took the message away that all teen and preteen girls are sleeping with anyone who looks at them and doing all the drugs. Meanwhile, I was going to school, coming home, doing chores, and doing my best to not end my existence before I graduated high school. Everyone deserves to have a place where they can hold space for themselves and their emotions in safety. 3:01:11

[@nobody8328]

I'm 51 years old and still cry when my therapist asks me about journaling

[@purplecat4977]

I'm convinced that any book that references Ophelia in its title is either a book about Hamlet, or hot garbage. My parents picked up 'Reviving Ophelia', and I vividly remember screaming to my father through tears that Ophelia went insane and killed herself because the adults in her life pushed her to that point, and did his book talk about THAT? To my father's credit, he threw the book away. Ophelia's story is a great cautionary tale for adults about how their toxic bullshit can affect the children under their care, but somehow those books never present it that way.

[@wyvernnymph5757]

I feel so much for Sheryl as the eldest child you feel so much pressure to protect your younger siblings from the abuse you’ve faced and when you have to leave and speak up about what happens it’s equally frustrating because now people believe you… dealing with narcissistic abusive parents is such a nightmare I don’t wish it upon anyone

[@comicsans3537]

Yup. I've heard stories and seen writings from my sister who was forced to keep us safe. It made her so angry and eventually she resented us before we all reconnected. Add to that we were all undiagnosed ASD... It hurts kids for a long time.

[@courtney9899]

Shari* My heart breaks for her because she's spoken about how hurt she was to have left her younger siblings. And then it ended the way it did, I can imagine the guilt expanded. I hope they all can heal

[@meionaise7761]

This reminds me of a case that happened in Sweden recently. A family youtuber was charged for t*rture of their children and the parents were sentenced to 15 years in prison each. I really wish more people would talk about 8 passengers back in the day, because they were obviously either inspired or used their cruel tactics to punish their kids only to post them online. They were charged for their crimes so the children are now safe, but no kid should experience this kind of parenting.

[@angelofdusk13]

I am 1000% sure that when Ruby decided not to give her kids Christmas presents, the "behavior" she was talking about was perfectly developmentally normal behavior for their age. This REEKS of narcissism. Narcissists have NO concept of developmental norms--they see a crying 3 y/o as MANIPULATIVE, rather than a small child who doesn't have the cognitive ability to regulate their emotions yet BECAUSE THEY ARE THREE AND THEIR BRAINS ARE VERY NEW. A normal person sees a toddler tantrum and remains calm, recognizing they are the adult and therefore responsible for guiding their child through this intense emotion and teaching them how to regulate it so they can soothe themselves in the future. Narcissists resent children for "being selfish" by having human needs.

[@kaeinnn]

Yes! I don't know if we can link it to a narcissism disorder, but when she says specifically the 2 YOUNGEST are showing selfish behavior?! It's likely only a handful of years since their skulls started calcifying! They're just trying to survive at a base level, that's why it's the parents and support system that teach them how to survive in and as a society...

[@ollieenby]

how about we stop demonizing mental illness? yes she sucks but dont fucking diagnose her

[@alisonmercer5946]

I wish I x would find the post by a father about his 2 yeAr old being bad by not walking and sitting down while waking down the street and how she was already being rebelious and his pointless solution because it's A2YEAR OLD CHILD and they werent picking a fight with you sir , the fighting was all you.And his was like a proud father I' m a good dad type post. Adults are truly bizarre about children

[@justkiddin84]

She is also a sadist. She gets a thrill from the pain of others. Makes her laugh and smile.🤮

[@alim.9801]

This explanation seems absolutely spot on

[@youngcrazycatlady4806]

@iNabber I feel like it's important to mention that Jodi was the therapist that suggested they send Chad to the wilderness camp. Jodi was a therapist endorsed by the Mormon church for a very long time. Plus the Mormon church will pay for some session of therapy if you go to specific Mormon counslers that they have on a list.

[@danielledavis2039]

Watching this video awakened something in me. I used to watch 8Passengers and was confused when they got so much hate. Now I realize it's b/c Ruby acts so much like my mum I thought it was normal! My parents took away all my toys, didn't celebrate multiple birthdays, took my door off hinges all before I was 10.

[@CainXVII]

The UN has a declaration of rights especially for kids. We learnt about it in school at a young age. All schools should teach that, so kids know when parents violate their rights.

[@Jade-sg8gu]

I remember learning that the United States signed the declaration agreeing with it but has not ratified it into law despite it being created in 1989

[@-alovelygaycat-]

I didn’t even know the UDHR (Universal Declaration of Human Rights) existed until 9th grade, when my Literature teacher made us do a project on it as our first big grade of the year. I found it fun, at least, as fun as a person can find researching human rights violations in their home country.

[@lilacdiesel]

Supposedly Jodi has a history of "counseling" couples, getting the wife to move in with her, and then separate/divorce from the husband.......really straight, godly stuff

[@Alexandra_Wolf]

She’s def a lesbian and likely went through conversion therapy and now acts out towards men and tries to get these women all to herself it’s bizarre.

[@Toneill029]

Even with my faulty ass gaydar, even I felt there is more going on.

[@madisonwillis9591]

​@Toneill029 the way she was touching Ruby's knee in some of the clips really set mine off tbh. I found it extremely odd and if what OP said is true, it doesn't surprise me, sadly

[@amanda.burkey]

I've thought a lot about the car meltdown over the last few weeks, and now knowing what I do about Ruby and how she was always in control over everyone and everything, I've come to the conclusion that she probably was genuinely upset about the dance song choice and thinking it was an inappropriate choice, which is why she went to the principal in the first place, but what I think caused the ACTUAL meltdown with her crying and essentially throwing a tantrum was the fact that the principal didn't give in and change the song. I think Ruby is/ was so used to just demanding things from people and always getting her way, she never thought the principle would actually stand her ground and not give Ruby what she was demanding, and THAT'S what caused her to break down, she didn't know how to deal with that. Just my opinion tho 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@mestillme3026]

Narcissists HATE when people gray rock them. That's what that principal was doing. Ruby didn't care about the music. She just wanted to cause a scene, harass some people, and embarrass her daughter. That principal wouldn't let her do any of that. Ruby didn't even get the satisfaction of seeing the poor principal freak out or cry. Ruby is a sadist. She pulled out all of her sadistic tricks and yet could not get a reaction out of that person. That's what had her shook.

[@trcsunny2187]

@@mestillme3026 I agree.

[@the-unknown-1]

If she didn't like the song she could've simply pulled her daughter out of the performance but nope! Everything has to go her way.

[@ghhoulx]

I WAS THINKING THAT TOO! she’s only obsessed with one thing and it’s control. when she was talking about that mom reading her daughter’s diary, she saw the daughter trying to take back her diary as “trying to take back control”, rather than just a child trying to take back her diary. like you said, even if she was upset with the “inappropriate song choice”, what really prompted her meltdown to start was the fact that things weren’t going her way and the principal wasn’t doing what she wanted and she therefore didn’t have any control over them.

[@zoe.lilith]

do you know what song this is about?

[@remileantoni3936]

As an ex-Mormon, the controlling beliefs and "parental rights" that Ruby has are pretty on par for Mormon parents in Utah. My mother is like this. My friends' parents are like this. These ideologies and the emotional manipulation/abuse are normalized in Mormon culture. Obviously not to the extent that Ruby portrayed, but there is a reason she felt comfortable doing what she did as a practicing Mormon.

[@radschele1815]

It's never about the children's rights, always any the parents' rights. My condolences😢

[@idontknowanymore1246]

I just realized that the “psychologist” she could be referring to (if real) who recommended Chad sleep on the floor was probably Jody Hildebrandt since she was a therapist or something 😬

[@makaylabost2054]

I’ve watched tons of videos from the kids who were sadly sent away to these camps, there are ACTUAL licensed psychologists and therapists who run these camps. The stories are heartbreaking honestly. So I don’t think it was Jodi

[@tiertroy]

Chad actually mentions his therapist Jodi by name in the video where they reveal he hasn’t had a bed or a room for a year… so yeah I think she was involved for a long time….

[@bananawitchcraft]

@@makaylabost2054 That pissed me off so hard when she was like "well they have psychologists there so they must be doing what's best for the kids" THAT'S NOT HOW THAT WORKS

[@mangalover0149]

​​@@makaylabost2054Danielle Brigoli (Catch Me Outside girl, i think that's how you spell her name) went to one and while she was there one of the kids snapped, attacking two of the camp counsellors and killing one of them. So yes, wilderness camps suck.

[@sam2572]

2:26:25 hi! teacher here. no we are not paid enough

[@AdaireKrickets]

Chances are that reports were made. I use to work with children that had behavioral issues. The amount of emotional abuse is insane. The amount of neglect is frustrating beyond words. I've made a few CPS reports myself and push higher ups to do the same. I've only had it help one child, by accident. It wasn't even a child I was aware of existing. And mind you, I only made reports when it was really, really bad and inexcusable because we had to weigh the risk of pushing the parent away and accidentally taking away help, and therefore eyes, from the children.

[@mangooverlord2014]

I know people who went to the school-American Heritage. There’s a pretty infamous story in the school about a girl who was mlested by a boy and the boys father-the girls older sister’s teacher-swept it under the rug and only told the bishop. No CPS report was made.

[@sam2572]

@@AdaireKrickets yes, it's heartbreaking to see. and of course it should not fall solely on the school to "save" these kids. more often than not, the system (meaning CPS and related infrastructure) fails these kids and doesn't do anything/makes things worse. as someone who was failed in this way, i get that. and it is so hard to have to make those reports and weigh a child's family life in the balance. nevertheless, i feel like a parent saying they hope their six-year-old goes hungry as punishment for forgetting her lunch, publicly and to an audience of millions, should have caused SOMEONE close to the family to make calls look into this; one of the most likely people would be the teacher who called ruby about eve's lunch, since she was personally involved in an incident. but again, i wholeheartedly agree with you that CPS is often not beneficial to the child(ren).

[@AdaireKrickets]

@@sam2572 The world feels dark in these moments for sure 😞

[@a.m.1528]

CPS often doesn't intervene until it's way too late. A teacher friend has reported many issues with her students (boy hadn't showered in weeks to the point that cockroaches were crawling out of his clothes, girl shared a bed with her registered sex offender uncle, girl said mom's boyfriend regularly locked her out of the house at night). Every time CPS investigated, they found nothing wrong. It isn't until cases like this when the years-long abuse is brought into the public eye that they suddenly take things seriously. But apparently not serious enough to charge Kevin alongside his wife for his part in the abuse.

[@fuchsialocks592]

The way she reacts to the meeting with the school principal just REEKS of narcissism . She's so full of rage that all she can do is cry - not because she cares about her kids, but because the principal didn't cower and unquestionably obey her. Ruby got gray rocked by the principal and this tantrum is the result. I imagine this is not the first time the principal has dealt with Ruby - and went into this meeting with a game plan. Kindness, strength, gray rock, and not letting Ruby intimidate her. Judgi ng by the responses she was given, this principal was long done with Ruby's shit way before this interaction happened. I'm speculating, of course. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@Bluebayou88]

I never heard of gray rock before. So I had to look it up. I’ve read a lot about narcissism because the b**** who birthed me, has it. I need to learn that gray rock method though. Emotional vampires they are. 😮‍💨

[@blackdahlia42]

the fact that she doesn't have any realization that the "young woman who looked like she was in pain" or whatever was probably reacting to the overdramatic display that Ruby was making and nothing else. like she has zero self awareness to realize that people in the room are acting like that because she's embarrassing herself, not because they think she's on some righteous crusade they can't support but want to

[@fuchsialocks592]

@Bluebayou88 I have no doubts that the gray rock method will help you out and give you the peace needed when dealing with her. I wish you well

[@fuchsialocks592]

@blackdahlia42 you are so right. I too would be that girl looking like I'm in pain, i hate confrontation and dramatic scenes.

[@jenwallace6968]

as someone who has experienced trauma very similar to these children i’m so happy that it’s getting new eyes on it and a new perspective. i know it’s going to be painful for the children but there parents deserve to be brought to justice. for the children’s own sake.

[@carydorse705]

I have a weird relationship with my mom myself, but one day I went to elementary school without food too, because I forgot the lunchbox on the counter and my mom actually walked to the school and handed it to me over the fence. Ruby really is the lowest of the low.

[@thegreencat9947]

Cool...she just passed the lunch box over the fence...no muss no fuss. Means a lot .

[@milmax2486]

As someone who grew up with abusive mother and went through A LOT for her to change (took years but rn she's supportive. Still flawed but now i can actually feel i can depand on her) simple gestures like this means the world. The whole childhood she didnt even want to see me in the same home unless she had her psychotic melldowns then i was the one who had to take care of it BUT until the end of elementary school she ALWAYS made sure to give me lunch in a bag or money for lunch ticket in cafeteria. I might have not felt save and loved as a little kid (from good reasons) but i never had to worry about her not feeding me or not having bed with blankets since i was always cold. My health always been very bad and often she would use the card "i wont buy you medication nor go to the doctor" but it was only empty threats and she always made sure to take basic care of me then. It took years and lots of therapy for us to be in the place we are now and a big part of it is that i got cancer when i was in last grade of high school. 5 years passed since then and im cancer free. It was hell ofc bc well cancer lmao but im still somehow greatful for it because it was A HUGE WAKE UP CALL for my parents and honestly i'm in really happy/safeish place rn. I still believe my mom, if she hasnt would change (it took intervention with my brother like "yo you're gonna lose your kids") then she could be on the same level. She still sometimes apologizes to me for how she used to be and actually shows remorse and improvement EVERY.SINGLE.DAY. and i couldn't be more greatful. It shows that you can be a horrible human/mother but if you're willing to change AND ACTUALLY PUT SOME WORK it changes someones quality of life drastically. Ofc a lot of things still haunt me and im seeing psychiatrist/therapy since the beggining of time lol but i dont hold grudge against her because:1.she changed and is way better mother and human being. 2.the way her parents treated her i'm honestly amazed she didnt turned out worse than Ruby.

[@caitlinstanley8329]

I was a freshman and dealing with an eating disorder. I would go without breakfast and other meals sometimes. One day I got sick from not eating. The school called my mom to bring me something to eat. She was livid. Not out of concern, not bc she was doing anything important or that it would be a hassle to get to the school (we lived 5 mins from the school). She was livid bc I was taking up her time and that I was making her look bad. She threw a Nutrigrain bar at me, and when i got home later, I was grounded for two weeks, no cell phone, nothing. And no, her "wonderful" parenting didn't help with my eating disorder.

[@chelscara]

1:37:59 I feel like their oldest daughter got out and never came back so Ruby tried to double down on the emotional and mental torture of Chad in order to try and keep him from feeling like he could escape or like he didn’t deserve to escape.

[@nerdoftheatre]

2:28:32 Good job on the teachers for standing up to a parent screaming at her for no reason. That teacher probably wasn't on Ruby's side - she probably just wanted Ruby to go away.

[@stephanier.5680]

Her husband is 100% responsible for what was happening to his children and the fact he hasn't had any charges brought up is mind-boggling.

[@overcompensatan]

I love iNabber, but let's remember this all began August 30, 2023; NOT 2022. That wasn't finally taken seriously by the authorities until the absolutely horrific actions of Ruby and Jodi just 4 short months ago. - continuing to watch the video, I know he does really good research and I'm sure this will be an incredible summary of events, but I really wanted to clear up the intro for everybody.

[@anotherhuman3221]

Yeah, unfortunately Ruby had to stoop to one of the lowest levels to be finally taken as fucking threat to children. I remember watching other channels that covered the 8passengers channel before but they unfortunately never could start a uproar. This whole situation is disgusting in itself, but the fact that the authorities let it happen for so long is even more horrible. To think that there are more children in such situations that won't get justice because their "parents" weren't stupid enough to record their crimes is just heart breaking Edit:spelling

[@Tigerlilly-lx5zz]

To be fair he may be referring to their older sister calling the cops after being told that Ruby was leaving them alone for days at a time

[@Fajman.personal]

As a parental abuse survivor, some of these clips, the way this woman talks and thinks, gave me shivers. I feel like you covered the topic really well. A lot of people will see signs of emotional and psychological damage by parents and do nothing, not thinking it's a problem. I can personally attest that this is life ruining stuff, it completely changes how you think and see people and the world, Being in situations like this is unexplainably miserable, it's a choking experience. I wish the best for the children and hope they can recover and find comfort and stability somewhere far away from this psycho and their passive father.

[@tundranone8366]

As someone who went through the same: - You put this so well - Louder for the people in the back! - Thank you

[@jillm42]

As someone from Utah, it breaks my heart to not be surprised. Domestic violence is so high here and I feel like there is regularly events where the entire family is lost. I was in a domestic violence situation and still ran the risk of hurting my custody case if I moved myself and child out. And now, judges are sending kids to reunification camps with abusive parents to give the abusive parent a redo. Because abuse doesn't affect your rights as a parent in Utah.

[@justkiddin84]

Imagine that! And the LDS conveniently are not mandated reporters. So folks there are left with very little help.

[@emeraldblue5291]

Religion and politics should be kept separate. Humans are bad enough on their own

[@khristinebutler6615]

utah is filled with mormons so utah views women as second class citizens and kids are to be obedient workers I know i lived & utah was forced into mormanism as a child for a few years. UTAH has a huge domestic violence & pedophile problem

[@dulceg928]

I grew up in the area where Ruby is from I just realized that's why she's so familiar 😅 and yeah abuse in the area is very rampant that's why I went across the country and broke off contact with my family

[@jillm42]

@dulceg928 I'm glad you were able to get out! And I'm proud of you for prioritizing yourself and cutting off toxic family. I grew up pretty close to there as well, but moved to the frigid north. Still working on cutting out toxicity.

[@sarahmoore5966]

As someone who has been in those shoes, I really empathize with the aunt. Often you don't know the true extent of what is happen behind close doors, and it's hard to gather evidence when you are shut out by the parents. Cps came to their home multiple times, I'm sure the aunt was one of the reasons.

[@jtc2691]

"These camps for trouble teens sound like an excuse for terrible parents who don't know how to parent their child" PREACH!!! You are so correct it hurts. These poor kids are just being traumatized Edit: I'm so sorry to hear that you got kicked out as a kid. As a parent to two kids I can't imagine any situations I would ever think to force my CHILD out of our home.

[@Miserycordya]

As someone sent to one back in 2005 for 17 months.. I'm in my mid 30s, and it's still something I struggle to talk about. Mine was rightfully closed down years ago, but it makes me sick to think that these places exist.

[@jaymeelaws1139]

When she’s in the river with the kids I just about lost it. I live in Idaho on the confluence of the Snake and Clearwater rivers. People die in the rivers ALL THE TIME. We spend a lot of time in the rivers but we also know they’re dangerous. Her complete disregard for her children’s fear in that situation should have gotten them removed from her custody. So unacceptable. Btw, for what it’s worth, I’m the mother of 5 children ages 12-30.

[@Dream_Cy_Dream]

I also live in Idaho and I completely agree. The rivers and canals here actually make me nervous when it comes to kids and pets. They can be so dangerous especially if the rivers are still cold. Cold plus them being unsure of themselves and scared is just asking for trouble, that pissed me off.

[@madisonmorell4336]

I’m halfway through but have to say that my mother reading my personal conversations with friends as a teen genuinely fucked up my trust in people. I will NEVER do that to my kids because there was nothing more humiliating than having my mum read back personal things I’d shared with friends.

[@emmerald]

i agree wholeheartedly, my mom did that once or twice, and read messages that not only betrayed my privacy but the privacy of my friends. i couldn't be around her for a while after that.

[@mollyblower3868]

​he best thing they can do to make Ruby understand she is disgusting is to never see her or talk to her or talk about her narcissistic people like Ruby hate not getting attention and if you try to tell them they were wrong the spin it to be the victim

[@hemulek]

I was teen before social media, so luckily my conversations with friends was safe, but I had a diary that I wrote specifically for my mother because I knew she read it.

[@dangerxbadger2300]

My mom did this too. She read my diary and she read the paper notes my friends and I had written to one another. Such a huge, humiliating invasion of privacy, and something I will never ever ever put my daughter through

[@redmason4329]

My parents went through my messages and found out I was trans when I absolutely wasn't ready to tell them. It's been years and I'm still angry about it.

[@Jadekingfisherart]

Thanks iNabber I really like your ' even if it only happened once, it can still be a bad thing that happened' it can apply to a lot of scenarious for different people and is very validating. Glad to see you uploading again, of course take as many breaks as you need.

[@amandajenkins2267]

I went to rehab in high school and met a lot of kids there who had done programs like Anasazi or Outward Bound, and none of them felt that those programs helped them. In fact they were more traumatic experiences for these kids if anything. Some of them were taken out of their beds and carried away by strangers in the middle of the night, not knowing where they were going or who the people taking them were. I know a few that got abused on these trips by the adults that were supposed to be helping them. They would withhold food and meds from kids on these trips until they could “see for themselves” what these kids needed and what their issues were. It’s frankly awful and I’m glad that some kind of light is beginning to be shed on these programs. They do a lot more harm than good in a lot of cases

[@LiarJudas666]

they only do harm in every case. these camps are nothing more than legal child abuse. i don’t even think the idea is sound. the parents aren’t learning to deal with their children, and that’s assuming the children are even at fault. i understand the inclination to be guarded or reserved with language but i feel no such thing. these camps are legalized child abuse and everyone involved with them should be prosecuted, administrators and parents alike.

[@hycree9373]

At the 3h mark basically where they're talking about privacy and having a diary- I dealt with this exact thing. My parents had suspicions I was hiding something from them, so they confiscated all of my drawing/diary books and read through everything. Every thought I had written, drawn, scribbled down, all of it was just bared open. All of my frustrations and private wants and desires and little things (lo and behold, I wasn't hiding crap, just expressing my emotions somewhere after rough school days or family moments). They then got mad at ME for 'hiding' things, and punished me physically and mentally and verbally. It ruined the trust I'd had in living under their roof, and until I moved out, I actually began to hide EVERYTHING from them, even the smallest dumbest things like if I had drawn an angry face or something. I stopped journaling and drawing for a while. It messed with me and even now as an adult I still have an aversion to physically writing down my feelings anymore, 'just in case'. It's horrible to do things like that to your child, especially during precious moments like puberty where you're trying to discover yourself and deal with new bursts of emotions and thoughts. I'd never do the same thing to my own kids.

[@FabricofTime]

I got really good at hiding my diaries. My parents never intentionally read them, but my mom found a couple of notebooks and opened them because she didn't realize they were mine (at least that was what she said, and I don't THINK she was lying; one thing my parents always were really good about was being truthful with us). It was so embarrassing and violating. I was horrified. There wasn't anything exceptionally awful or troubling in there, but I was clearly starting to display signs of my bisexuality. I kept everything in secure locations where they were CLEARLY mine, or buried them in drawers, after that, and I really didn't feel safe expressing myself until I moved out and lived alone.

[@pirate2041]

I went through the same, and the frustration afterwards of WANTING to write down things but the inability to is so frustrating. I loved drawing and expressing myself, i loved these things and i still do but i am incapable. My hands simply wont let me.. Im sorry you had to go through this, privacy is so important for a kids development and im happy that people are realizing it. I dont know if you know this but you are ending a cycle of abuse

[@karissafay44]

My parents did the same thing to me. The biggest punishment I got was from writing about self harming and being depressed. They said that I was ungrateful, because I had no reason to be depressed, so I was punished. I’m sorry you experienced that, too.

[@CookieIsMyCat09]

Kid of a dad who almost became a family KZbinr here. I agree that having a camera filming you as a kid a lot is uncomfortable. Being a kid though, you don't get a choice. I remember he even used to tell us to do things for the videos, they were luckily very short videos and the worst of it was stuff like "hey, im gonna film you and i want you to tell this joke." Or "Hey, you and your brother need to pretend to fight over the Wii, and then you pretend to hit him and I'll make a sound effect so it looks like you actually hit him." Luckily this era of my dad's life didn't last long and the channel wasn't popular whatsoever. It was basically only from when i was 8-10 years old and no longer. (For refernce, I'm now 19.) Even though it wasn't nearly as bad as the notable family channels, i can confirm it affected me a bit. I became severely camera shy and very conscious of what i was doing at all times. I also became very conscious of my appearance, which is an issue that developed into anorexia later on in life. I really do feel for the kids of family youtube channels who don't want to be filmed, and these poor kids in this video had it so much worse. I really hope they flourish despite this whole situation.

[@Mikah_428_68]

Inabber says "I'm going to miss stuff!" Then proceeded to make a fantastic in depth analysis that's 5 hours long. I've seen a lot, a LOT of videos about this situation and Inabber, yours is by far the most in depth and great.

[@Samthefrogking]

The disappointing part of all this is if Ruby wasn’t a rich white woman her kids would’ve been taken away a long time ago smh

[@dullsunrise8820]

For anyone wanting updates especially since there was a bit of development on the day this video came out, Ruby pleaded guilty a couple days after throwing Jodi under the bus (as if Ruby wasn’t already a big POS before Jodi came into the picture), and her sentencing date will be on February 20th, 2024. This unfortunately means her sentence will be reduced, though it’s uncertain by how much. Assuming she would be charged the maximum sentence for each charge (which she should in my opinion), she could be facing something under 60 years even with the plea deal (and since she’s 41 years old that pretty much means she’d likely be behind bars for the rest of her life). Given the horrific torture she put her kids through, she’ll probably get high sentencing years per charge anyways. It’s safe to say she won’t see the light of day for awhile. As of this comment, Jodi has yet to plead innocent or guilty, but it’s likely she’ll also take a plea deal. EDIT 12/28/23: Accidentally put down not guilty, that was fixed. Shock and surprise, Jodi plead guilty. Would also like to explain the plea deal here since I dug around-both were initially charged with 6 aggravated child abuse charges, but part of the deal drops two of them. Both will have to testify against one another in court.

[@ummnothanks...666]

Ruby pled guilty. You said she pled not guilty but she didn't.

[@Ichigo-HKC]

She pled guilty for 4 charges, she couldn’t take a plea deal if she pled not guilty.

[@Caine-qu3nw]

She didn't plead not guilty. She plead out and took a deal to testify against Jodi in exchange for a lesser sentence

[@dullsunrise8820]

@@ummnothanks...666that was mistyped oops sorry a

[@Koselill]

Hopefully she'll get so many years that her children will be far into adulthood when (if) she gets out. They need time in peace to heal.

[@heartsnout]

I have lived with my abusive mother all my life and I relate to Shari so much in the sense that it is HARD to leave someone (in the process of trying to get out right now) who controlled and manipulated you your whole life. This entire video reminds me of my own mother's actions and words and I feel so terrible for the children who endured all of this for so long.

[@bread4108]

While it doesn’t mean much, I wish you good luck.

[@dogilolz]

One step closer to freedom by realizing youve been abused. Youre strong, good luck! Trying to leave my house as well

[@carolgannon2307]

I wish you & dogilolz the best of luck. I know how scary it is but I hope the both of you gain the strength & courage to make the leap. Happiest of holidays to you both. 🎄🎅🏼🎊🎉

[@dogilolz]

@@carolgannon2307 💕💕

[@julzlovesyouiguess]

As of Christmas, I’m going on year 8 of no contact. The road is so hard, but the hardest is definitely choosing to leave. The second hardest is staying away.

[@KidKinobi]

I already know the answer is “she’s evil and crazy” but still I have to ask: How and WHY if you are a bad parent, you don’t like your kids, and you even go out of your way to torture them like prisoners of war; would you decide to make your entire life existence rotate around PARENTING?! Like she micromanaged and examined every aspect of parenting trying to make it a religious science, for a bunch of kids she didn’t even like.

[@niaram]

because they enjoy having control. so many ppl view children as tiny servants just there to do what they want. it’s messed up

[@hellomello258]

She's Mormon. The ideal Mormon woman is blond haired blue eyed homemaker who can do it all and parents her 4+ children while her husband works, maybe even for the church (Kevin was a professor at a Mormon university). Plus she was raised in a family where nearly every child became a family blogger. Add that to rumors that she didn't want her youngest two kids but Kevin pushed and their belief in "Visions of Glory" a book which talks about a lot of extreme beliefs, including that people can become possessed by demons and must be physically tortured to break the bond, but also that every demon you expel is an opportunity for a stronger demon to take possession.

[@justasimplenobody2666]

"The Gift of Love" Alright, bet. My parents gave me the gift of love one year through a misguided prank. I knew santa wasn't real, and I was a sensitive child. So my parents' innocent prank of giving me a little red velvet bag with coal in it, actually made me cry. Instead of telling me I needed "thicker skin" like Ruby insists her children need, my parents instantly revealed all of the gifts they had gotten for me waiting under the tree. Instantly I was so happy, I felt so loved and that moment will always stick with me because they unintentionally taught me the "meaning of christmas", that it wasn't just about kid me getting a MLP castle; it was about recognizing that my parents went out of their way to provide everything they did. That little bag of coal was their Gift of Love in ways I don't think they even know to this day tbh, in their minds they probably think they ruined my Christmas that year because I actually cried. But I still have that same little bag because it reminds me of that moment and reminds me of just how hard my parents worked to make my childhood the best they could, even if they did make mistakes.. If my parents were trying to teach me a lesson on humility that year, it definitely worked. And it worked without having to threaten to take away a holiday, it worked with a whole stack of presents under the tree and it worked because my parents actually loved me.. I got the Gift of Love and the Gift of Material Objects, they don't have to be mutually exclusive. I don't think Ruby knows what Love even is... I'm sure she *thinks* she loves her children, but I just think her definition of love is very skewed... I just feel so so sorry for those kids in the depths of my heart, and I hope that they'll be okay and that they're able to have a good christmas this year..

[@algi1]

The thing that irks me the most is that she visibly enjoys hurting her children. For her it's not about punishment to school them, she gets off on their pain.

[@strawberryskygirl44]

I truly do not understand how ANY parent can feel good about themselves after they've taken away a bed to sleep in from their child

[@annebruecks7381]

Actually unbelievable. I slept on a futon couch in the living room (damn uncomfortable thing lol) while my son had the bedroom, a normal bed, furniture, toys, etc... when I was a young struggling mom. I went without, not my child!!! He hopefully never realized anything was out of the ordinary. He's in his 20's now, self sufficient and married. The one good thing I accomplished in my life was raising him to be a good man. I didn't shield him, or helicopter parent, or Exploit Him ffs. It wasn't hard and I wish other people would try harder, if I could do it I swear anyone can😢

[@pigeon1923]

​@@annebruecks7381you sound like a wonderful parent to do that for your son. too many parents make their kids go without because they can't bare to give up their own luxuries. also a bit off topic but what's the creature in your profile picture, it looks so cute?

[@theBestElliephant]

I don't remember whether the bed thing or the camp thing came first, but the thing that gets me is the fact that Ruby did both of them and felt good enough to not only post them on the internet, but charge people for her sage parental advice. Doing it is bad enough, but she was encouraging other people to do it too, which is even worse.

[@gacktist00]

she also tried to delay bring her daughter to ER. their oldest kid had problem with eyes, and even Kevin wanted to bring her to ER right away, Ruby acted weird.. like lazy afternoon.. took a long long shower, do some chores, etc. what a creep!

[@Renderduck]

​@@pigeon1923I love that you said creature lol, it's a baby fox

[@bigpapamagoo8696]

It honestly feels like Ruby wants Chad to get worse. He clearly has some issues (because his mother is a sociopath) but she just keeps doing things to ‘punish’ him that will obviously only heighten his issues. But a misbehaving kid is better for views, so that’s what she wants.

[@lulolie]

Treating him like a monster so she can try to make him a monster so her actions seem justified.