8 wins, 95 defeats: Meet journeyman boxer Lewis van Poetsch | TKO with Carl Frampton | Round 8

Chris Lloyd and Carl Frampton chat to one of the best journeyman boxers in the game, Lewis van Poetsch, about his extraordinary record, his army service in Afghanistan, and balancing boxing with the nine-to-five.
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[@K_wood]

Just shows that boxing isn’t just corrupt at the very top end it’s corrupt from head to toe which is a real shame.

[@buzzkill808raven2]

Yeah, this is why I never got into watching boxing when I was a kid. My dad told me about how it's corrupt and not real competition (for the most part) and I was like Imma watch pro wrestling instead

[@FawkYouGuy]

I mean tbh all it is is grooming young fighters to fight better fighters better. Journeymen are good editions to the sport, but I don’t like the refs not scoring the contest fairly.

[@LordDirus007]

It's essentially Boxing Prostitution. If only the Champions would remember the Journeymen and help them out financially.

[@trsbsportspodcast2105]

What a brilliant interview

[@fansovertheworld834]

Wow amazing insight. Never thought journeymen were told to lose just thought they weren’t good enough

[@marccleary8592]

Tyan booth said he couldn't get a fight after beating, one of hearts prospects

[@jamestodd1104]

Fans Over The World that’s the idea of a journeyman. You take as little damage as possible whilst losing. If you beat a prospect or a ticket seller than you won’t get a fight

[@fansovertheworld834]

James Todd - Yeah I knew that they didn’t want to get knocked out coz they have to wait 30 days but I didn’t think they went in with the intention of making the other guy look good

[@charliechan6892]

@Jouma Mahmood world is corrupt, other sports do this

[@marccleary8592]

Captain Kirk ahh I dunno I mean I can't stand him and he did have a fight when he got banned so possibly lying but as much of an idiot as he is, he's somewhat truthful

[@saulwest8254]

Never thought journeymen were paid to lose so blatantly, just thought they were overmatched and had a limited skill set.

[@g.f.2775]

So there's good money in it?

[@randomyoutubeaccount6906]

of... course they're paid?

[@nuclearlefthook5008]

@Captain Kirk lil tuff guy

[@onz6969]

@Captain Kirk lol do you really believe that?

[@ohyeahyeah8150]

@Captain Kirk I bet you’re an ‘average teenager’ and you’re trying to big yourself up

[@Paladin966]

Proper real decent fella, wish him the best of luck in his career and life 👊

[@Pompoy1981]

This has been my favourite TKO so far. I go to some small hall shows and have seen Lewis box live. While I knew journeymen aren’t there for the win, I didn’t realise just how many balls a good journeyman is juggling. Make it a decent fight, expose the prospect slightly (give them things to work on), make the prospect look good, most importantly though, don’t get hurt! They are an unappreciated and crucial part of the process! Top drawer TKO, great episode!

[@imperialkingdom4821]

Obviously he has to say that to save face u didn't really believe that did u?

[@jeffreycurtis9075]

This bloke travels to give young mate a fight. Fights most weeks, every young fella (prospect), trying to take his head off. God bless you Poochie. 124 losses and never been knocked out.

[@PoochiBoxer]

THANK YOU to everyone who gave me positive feedback on this video! And thanks to TKO for having me on! Those of you hating. Know nothing about boxing. Learn how it works. Haha Half of you prob never even laced a pair of gloves I bet hahaha.

[@bizalhao16]

YUP indeed i never put some gloves on but i still heel kick you to outta space

[@PoochiBoxer]

Hahaha ok mate.

[@James-kb5mx]

Really interesting to listen to mate! You should definitely try and get on again sometime to offer your perspective.

[@bizalhao16]

wanna arrange a spar?@@PoochiBoxer

[@Afed390]

Great guy

[@danielnorrie9978]

Hats off to Lewis. Fair play just loves a scrap and a earner how could you knock him

[@JOE_co_uk]

Absolutely! Lots of big egos in boxing; very nice to have a guest who is down to earth! Good luck in the future Lewis!🥊

[@danielnorrie9978]

Yea have to say I will be keeping my eye out for Lewis on boxing shows and if I have the opportunity to go watch him I would love to show my support. Great guy

[@buzzkill808raven2]

@@JOE_co_uk What am I missing? Isn't he straight up admitting that the whole thing is a sham? That it's basically about as real as pro wrestling? I mean, most of us who know the sport, know there's some level of corruption but this is appalling that he's so casual about it running so deep

[@tedex8100]

Lewis van Poetsch. Part of the backbone of pro boxing. Hard as fuck,and know's what he's doing. A true, and genuine warrior.

[@zGJungle]

I'm only 15 mins in and this is already one of the most interesting Boxing interviews I have listened to.

[@dylan120190]

I heard about a journeyman who lost work because he started winning too many fights 😂

[@chrismcbride171]

Absolute quality discussion about a part of boxing that I would never get access to ....thumbs up lads

[@helpmark]

I'm not into boxing, more UFC but found this a great watch all the same! Good stuff.

[@LLE08071635]

helpmark MMA mate that’s like saying I’m not into rugby I’m more into the Barclays premier league

[@JOE_co_uk]

@@LLE08071635 No denying that many aspects of boxing are carried over to MMA. Every fight starts standing sooooo🤷‍♂️

[@Alex-yo1zg]

@@LLE08071635 If the only MMA you watch is the UFC then it makes sense

[@LLE08071635]

JOE I’m trying to say MMA is the sport and ufc is an organisation. It’s cringey for proper MMA fans when it’s called ufc all I’m saying . Call it MMA

[@ИванСтаростенко-л4ш]

@@Alex-yo1zg most of them are fans of the promotion ufc, not the sport of fighting.

[@michaelsleater9334]

Top bloke mate don’t let any one tell your not keep it up mate

[@JamiePiller]

I guess this will be Wilder's next opponent??

[@jaytc3613]

Jamie Piller 😂😂😂😂😂

[@JamiePiller]

@@jaytc3613 Someone had to say it. 😁

[@JamiePiller]

@Luke Daniel Yeah, we don't want to see Wilder murdered. Best that he stick to trying to iron out Charlie Zelenoff. He couldn't even beat him so this guy would kill Wilder.

[@JamiePiller]

@Luke Daniel All in one night.... All within one round...😎😃

[@jj-iu8rv]

Hahahaha

[@djy5711]

Enjoyed that. Sound Lad. Good Luck, stay safe in future fights !

[@holytrinityboxingclubbelfa9769]

Another great interview 👌 Brilliant insight into the other side of professional boxing. Fair play Lewis 🥊

[@staffh3815]

Fair play Lewis doing what you love

[@FashionRoadman]

This was so real

[@adzlespaul1]

What an eye opener this was. Brilliant interview as usual!

[@craigdobbin3521]

Least he doesn't sound battered. RESPECT LEWIS

[@7eventhirty344]

Really great insight into how being a journeyman works, awesome interview! Unsung warriors really, they give prospects a chance to develop their skills and knowledge in the ring! 95 defeats and can still speak properly 😂 Again, really interesting and quality interview. All the best Lewis!

[@nathanwelder7868]

Favourite episode yet Lewis is a nice fella!

[@TheMountainBeyondTheWoods]

I've just been getting into boxing recently and this was actually very interesting, I had no idea this whole other world existed, good interview.

[@Lonelypressplay]

Quality insight. Bristol lad as well, even better.

[@azoth4911]

Great illustration that boxing is corrupt,but I know you all knew that anyway,but it's very interesting to hear from this journey man,I don't know if he'll get many fights after this though.

[@untissify]

AZOTH he's not a 'journeyman', he's a 'paid loser'.

[@leewalsh3520]

Really enjoyed that interview. Thank you so much 👍

[@MrJM0B]

Great to see the elephant in the room being discussed. My old trainer used to turn up to boxing shows with his shoes and a gumshield. A lot of people say, "I'll fight anyone, anywhere, anytime" but this guy actually meant it. RIP to a legend.

[@joshf567]

What a lovely bloke. Definitely would like to see him on again!

[@AcidOllie]

This was really interesting, thanks guys.

[@indexfinisher]

Wish they spoke about Marsellos Wilder getting sparked out in his second fight.....that would have been interesting.

[@Lewis.312]

Quality interview. Liked that Lewis bloke, great name.

[@Lewis.312]

@@fearlessjoebanzai lol whatever you say knobedd, Your the one subscribed to perfect dudes....

[@lateapex9420]

What amazing insight. Top blokes.

[@manilove2pwn]

brilliant great channel. fair play to lewis

[@nathan2497]

Great Interview Top Bloke

[@tomws321]

This makes boxing like WWE. A professional should always fight to win.

[@TheDjOfChoice]

Tom Waterton-Smith a “gentleman’s” arrangement, corrupt as fuck

[@geordie-drywall]

Cant belive I've never seen this channel .. never subscribed quicker !!!!

[@andya5597]

I like George Groves new arm tattoo

[@jackoflanagan]

Really interesting, seems like the journey man fights are just like a training match in other sports

[@jamesbossom5072]

Great interview. Interesting character. Top work.

[@kaybest9607]

So this is the type of guy KSI is fighting 😂 Fairplay

[@wertaw]

Top bloke much respect for this guy. Boxing working like this is the reason it’s in such a bad decline. People want to watch MMA where the best fighters fight the best and they don’t hold back. Boxing is more similar to pro wrestling now. It’s a pantomime!

[@John-cj9er]

Groves has lost some weight

[@JOE_co_uk]

😂😂😂

[@elizabethdorchester5307]

That's old 80k at Wembley living in his head rent free

[@Silenciobob]

He said he won’t mention any names...but you won a fight. Won’t be too hard to narrow it down lol

[@turboman9471]

Very interesting, watched the whole thing.

[@danielpower281]

Very interesting, Champion!

[@nstratford9073]

This is some really good inside knowledge....I wonder if he ever got another fight after this

[@peteydynamite8794]

Great interview. As he says he plays the game. His role is to give prospects a bit of experience to hone the craft without being put in real danger. Kinda like a pilot flying a flight simulator. It still counts towards flying experience without actually having to recover a real A380 from plunging into the sea.

[@br5930]

well done on doing this great idea to give people an insight on this level of boxing

[@thescottishbawbag]

Real boxer ..no media shite..nice bloke...oh and Blackburn...the 'Mecca' of bingo!

[@JOE_co_uk]

Blackburn is the Mecca of everything boxing!😂

[@buzzkill808raven2]

Just like a real pro wrestler. Not saying this guy isn't a hard working, skilled man...but what a joke of a sport

[@ИванСтаростенко-л4ш]

@@buzzkill808raven2 its called building skill

[@conormcclenaghan6916]

This is excellent. Well done all involved.

[@tetra3000]

Great insight right here

[@craigphillips9383]

A quick look up of this guy is almost all frank Warren shows he's on.

[@1971lydia]

Iv seen Lewis fight and he's a very good fighter

[@karaharrison1343]

This bloke is a legend to the sport

[@warrenbold9849]

Ive watched poochi live against my mates on black flash promotions glad to hear his story now we all know what a journey man is

[@AnGhaeilge]

I really enjoyed this chat.

[@mikecosgrove2688]

Boss interview that and he’s a good lad wish him well

[@danb7856]

Woah I didn’t know about this... very interesting about the business side of boxing.

[@JOE_co_uk]

Boxing and business go hand in hand!😂

[@Pelling1993]

That was excellent, would love Lewis to be a regular!

[@JOE_co_uk]

So would we. Sure we'll get him on again in the future. Plenty more TKO to come!

[@aaroncusworth4504]

Such a nice bloke too. Great episode!

[@curlin120s9]

Good questions exactly what I've had asked myself

[@paulsotack9512]

Great interview

[@twotales7337]

Really enjoyed this!

[@PeteGriffiths_petegrif]

Fascinating

[@ThisGuy4]

Loving this insight

[@glassfone2]

Brilliant podcast. What a sound lad

[@zakhriskin1602]

That Journeyman interview was awesome

[@MrLongshot26]

lol I'm guessing this was filmed 3 weeks ago as he's already got 3 more losses on his record

[@devilsolution9781]

Haha thats great, he obviously gave his all

[@Dockhead]

im not sure where the line of bravery or stupidity steps in, surely having lost that many times and still counting is just going to do psychical damage eventually. props for doing what he wants though.

[@MrLongshot26]

@@Dockhead Listen from 4:29, he's not getting smashed every week

[@Dockhead]

@@MrLongshot26 yeah sorry i commented way too early, it pretty much explained it after i typed out my comment.

[@jcoleword2380]

Its hilarious how he calls the Americans terrible with his 90+ defeats good one mate at least he's happy 😂

[@kenbrandon4554]

Watch the video you pleb

[@buzzkill808raven2]

Did you even watch the video, or were you paying more attention to your CHEETOS? There are levels to that shit

[@derby3763]

Kristian Laight is 12-279-9 according to boxrec.

[@JacobStevens13]

CTE living rent free in my man's head

[@craigphillips9383]

Andrew selby was amazing in the amateurs and gave lomachenko some amazing fights that went to very close decisions, where everyone else was quitting after 1 round. Both Andrew and lee selby have had very little backing from the big promoter's, could have achieved amazing legacies with the right backing and promoting.

[@JacobStevens13]

Amateur and pro boxing are two completely different sports. Scored entirely differently. Andrew last fight was ko'd in under 5 rounds by a 24 year old fringe fighter. If you get ko'd by that kid in your prime then you were never going to be a notable professional.

[@maxs6775]

Have to interview William Warburton , must be the most successful journey man in the uk .. 185 fights 26 ,149 ,10 . and only 2 losses by ko in his early career .. Fighting the likes of Willy limond , Chris Townend , Chris Kongo , James Metcalf ,Sam Eggington , Joe Hurn etc ...

[@oliverking2515]

Best one you’ve done imo.

[@Larrypint]

What a legend 9 Wins, over 120 losses but just 11 opponents stopped him.

[@kronsteen9093]

I don't know but there's something a bit sad and forlorn listening to the tale of a journeyman - especially when you consider Poochi initially had a promising career ahead of him after his first few fights before deciding to become a journeyman.

[@Dasolecollector]

Bro how the fuck you have more than 130 fights and looking so normal with most of them going to decisions!!!? Nothing but props man

[@josephjuliano5403]

These guys are good

[@wesdryden2086]

Subscribed 👍🏼v.interesting

[@colineire9162]

Darren Murray is the small welterweight he beat

[@theproject9577]

Well a job is job... Ey if you got the balls to step in there you have my respect..

[@haggissupper.1445]

Very suprised how open they are about the whole journeymen role very shady tbh. 😗

[@NelsonVanDweller]

The first few fights of prospects are non competition fights to prep them . If u haven't noticed that Ur an idiot. Tbf most boxing fans don't understand the sport theyre fans of lol

[@diskid3644]

Gareth pc principle it’s an official fight that they are encouraged to lose, if it’s just sparring keep it in the gym because basically ensuring the outcome of sporting events is literally illegal

[@TheDjOfChoice]

“How we fix Boxing”

[@frankiecal3186]

This guy's got a better record than Goat Lobov.

[@buzzkill808raven2]

DONT. FUCK. WITH. THE GOAT.

[@ИванСтаростенко-л4ш]

Boxing is the greatest sport on the planet

[@mpforeverunlimited]

Wilder said this is what he wanted to do at first. Until he realized he was that good

[@ИванСтаростенко-л4ш]

It's what I want to do now

[@reddevil4789]

Am starting to dislike boxing getting told to lose is ridiculous there’s no chance for the underdog it’s not fair really ! I think boxing is the dirtiest and most corrupt sport ever!

[@JOE_co_uk]

Hmmmmm, you don't think British boxing has a better history than American?🤔

[@monkeymagic436]

Should you be allowed to fight every week?

[@elizabethdorchester5307]

Wow this channel has potential to get a lot of subscribers. I like the questions . I think carl and joe were very kind mentaly to various guests . Its a little bit hard to decide to go ahead and put certain content out . Example here is when tim nice but dim basicaly exposes corruption in the sport to the dont knows. But hes 28 and like he said its just how it is. Shame he doesnt spar and train then turn his selling point to 250 fights and trying to make 125 / 125 . Imagine the equalizing match up . Now that would sell tickets . Not aj style but surely make the kid 200k . Man frampton is such a good skillfull fighter . I felt he lost to the space raider because the space raider is clearly and i mean clearly juiced up to his eyeballs . I slowed the footage down and im telling you its simply not possible . Frampton did very well and has the better iq . The better footwork and the better movement . How did he lose then you say . Simply because warrington was moving like something out of the matrix on speed . Its only drugs that will allow someone to train and recover like that . I feel selby underestimated him but got out powerd . Frampton didnt do this he always preparers to the max . I feel frampton got set up a bit but thats just my opinion . Just because of that id just ped up and if he does he cleans out the division . Carl is genuinly one of the only non ped user so you can only imagine . Anyway spiel over . Nice channel

[@tomparko5144]

Poochys a real g

[@scottmurby6294]

Is it not illegal to deliberately throw a fight?

[@TheAYM91]

He's expected to have two fights in a single day on 27th April.

[@randomyoutubeaccount6906]

I saw that and I was weak

[@samuelwoods164]

Really didnt realise it's worked like this, I guess this is usually in a up and coming Pro's first 1-10 fights to give them a record to move up with, I really love this sport but fuck me is it corrupt as fuck at every level.

[@mattdowds8505]

Amateur & professional boxing are 2 different sports, like amateur & professional wrestling?

[@jmpersonalfinanceandinvesting]

Matt Dowds there are no journeymen in amateur boxing

[@mattdowds8505]

@@jmpersonalfinanceandinvesting That's my point, I was talking about the predetermined results that happen in professional wrestling, but not in amateur wrestling.

[@xfoolsgoldx]

Didn't no journey men are there to lose I thought they were low quality boxers who just are not likely to win. Very interesting interview. I have to say I am disappointed by the truth of the journey men.

[@vksasdgaming9472]

They do win fights. Even Reggie Strickland had 14 knock outs in his record and over 60 victories. Their odds of winning are low, but real. Basically they are training partners to future champions.

[@jj-iu8rv]

The silence when he said ali is a journeyman

[@ChrisMisc1]

Mans out here trying to be the next Charles Bronson Salvadore

[@homersimpson932]

Gary boulden against brophy

[@nathantrudgill5057]

Gabby jay

[@davidhayes4814]

I guess amongst the heavyweights Tomas Mrazek is. Journeyman but what about Kamil Sokolowski? A losing record but he can bang. Did he start as a journeyman and then decide to “go straight”. Poor old Webb!