Jazz Drummer Considers...BONHAM

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Check out Bonhamology's breakdown of Four Sticks - • FOUR STICKS *DEMO/AN...

[@BONHAMOLOGY]

Really appreciate the shout out! Thank you, Nate. Very cool video! 👍🏻😁 Something I should mention.... you are playing the beat a bit differently than I play it. I don't often do two strokes with my right hand. I believe that Bonzo was pretty much doing consistent singles, with some flams, so sometimes you can hear a left hand double which creates a flam between the tom and the floor tom. Also when he crashes the cymbal, he always does it in tandem with a left hand note on the Tom. I don't believe he played the snare drum really on this song at all because I don't hear that high pitched tone.

[@bobc.5698]

Alright, a JAZZOFF......between you two!

[@eugenestandingbear6516]

Love your show. very understandable. Thanks.

[@freelance_commie]

The famous Moby Dick drum solo from Albert Hall bites a lot of Max Roach lines as well as others. Bonham always sounded huge but unlike 90% of other rock drummers he had insane dynamics and finesse. Gad damn I love John Henry Bonham and spent the first 5 years of my drumming trying to be him, Jon Theodore and Tim Alexander from Primus.

[@markvandivier]

Awesome video Nate. You be crushing it lately.

[@jgdevoe]

Well done. It’s midnight and I might have to get up and go to the basement to try some of this.

[@ARGBlackCloud]

Hahaha Brush jockey !!! That's a good one ! , lets face it there are some inspiring Rock Drummers , Neil Peart , John Bonham , Ian Paice , Barriemore Barlow, Steve Gadd, Jeff Porcaro, Carmine Appice , the list just keeps going. They are all reasons why when rock went sideways in the 80's I went to Fusion and Guys like Billy Conham, Alphonse Mouzon, Tony Williams, Gary Novak , Vinny Colaiuta ,etc etc etc. The Bonham Rock&Roll pattern was based on Chuck Barry's Johnny B Goode intro Pattern

[@everydaybiker]

Fantastic

[@drummer78]

George from Bonhamology channel is an jazz drummer who is also a major LZ/Bonham fan. Awesome he got featured here for his performance of “Four Sticks”

[@BrianMax]

40 years after the dude died, people are still talking about his drumming.

[@sdc6447]

Because he was so influential and because he was in the greatest rock band of all time. Period

[@ohboi9578]

2000+ years after a dude named Jesus died, people are still talking about him

[@gregcable3250]

Great drummer, but not as good as Ginger--who played Jazz and rock in the same band (and was really a jazz drummer).

[@naysayer1238]

@@gregcable3250 Meh

[@i-on-u]

⁠@@gregcable3250 that’s your opinion…for almost 30 years after John Bonham death until when Ginger Baker passed to this day music world talks about how great John Bonham’s drumming, the only Ginger you hear about then to this day was that beautiful girl on Gilligan’s Island tv shows., John Bonham died young(32 years young) musicians all over the world considered him the greatest drummer then, imagine if he would lived longer. 😂

[@allenhonaker4107]

Part of the greatness of Bonham was that many times he and John Paul seemed like one guy playing two instruments at the same time. They had musical telepathy.

[@dougtull4594]

They also had a way of playing behind the beat that gave them a great feel.

[@danilobriz8499]

wasn't just the chops, it was the REBELIOUS ENERGY of it., oh my god so many drummers just forget what rock is all about.

[@exquisitecorpse4917]

Jazz drumming and rock drumming are perceived as having a hard, defined separation between double-bass stomping brutes and mealy-mouthed cymbal ticklers. But a cursory look at history will show that jazz invented the drum set, invented how we approach it, and invented drummers like Ringo and Mitch Mitchell. Even death-metal chops can be traced directly back to tom rolls and double-bass patterns in big-band. But, of course, most drummers born in the last 50 years saw Neil Pert years before they saw Art Blakey, so even the most avid jazz nerds are inexorably linked to the 600 piece kits and break-neck beats of rock. So, yeah: Take off the leather jacket, and there's a turtle neck underneath......but the turtle-necks also have a leather jacket in the closet.

[@t3hgir]

I love this.

[@ORagnar]

Probably historically accurate, but written poetically.

[@dontpanic9261]

Peart.

[@papichefitup]

Bonham was a mixture of soul drumming ,jazz and being a brick layer

[@tedvincent2409]

It's unfortunate there are labels on musicians but in retrospect Bonham was a jazz drummer, rock drummer, Brazilian drummer, etc., playing whatever style the music called for. One only has to hear him reference Max Roach often in his drum solos as an example of his wide virtuosity.

[@Meme-zc4cw]

Bonham was a jazz drummer playing rock. Morello was his hero. Also, everytime I watch your videos, I end up putting my drumset on Craigslist.

[@frankspikes7858]

I would have to say he drew inspiration from a lot of different sources. Fool in the rain... Bernard Purdy. A lot of motown. Some Max Roach.

[@Meme-zc4cw]

@@frankspikes7858 Of course we all do, but he is on record crediting Morello with his style. In fact, watch the drum solo in the movie The Song Remains the Same. That is Morello all day long, especialky the hamd drumming. But yes, you are right.

[@frankspikes7858]

@@Meme-zc4cw Ok, that's cool. Morello is a legend.

[@brewstergallery]

@@Meme-zc4cw Ned from Spain here, don't forget the amazing Papa Jo Jones and his hand drumming which was from waaaayyyy back when. Here's quick and rare one from 1957 kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKnXmp5smtCnh7s He'd been doing them since the swing days.

[@Meme-zc4cw]

@@brewstergallery Word homie, WORD!!! Papa Jo Jones is awesome!

[@gooberthorpos8195]

Go watch Bonzology, Bonzoleum and watch how they break down, play and talk about bonham’s playing and you will realise why bonzo is one of the greatest of all time

[@OliverPatrickLoughnan]

check out the videos I have of John Bonham

[@rasm0225]

Bonhamology is a treasure trove. Even to practice zep as a guitar player.

[@Armakk]

omg I was today years old when I learned "Four Sticks" is played with four sticks

[@88wildcat]

You're not alone. Now excuse me while I hang a "Bang Head Here" sign on computer room wall.

[@Armakk]

@@88wildcat Should've called it five sticks after the time signature. Bonzo puts fifth stick in his mouth like a bone.

[@markcoledrumteacher]

I didn't know either until I saw the late Michael Lee play it with four sticks on the Page/Plant tour!

[@finnmacdiarmid3250]

Don’t ever use that saying again

[@DavidDiMuzio]

I don't play the drums, but I always love your videos.

[@owainjones4584]

You should start

[@MoronMediaProductions]

So I'm not the only none drummer here! I'm a guitarist but I really like this guys videos. Alot of guys on YT teaching/ talking about music/instrument techniques, can be a tad dogmatic in their attitude and are actually not that musical in their approach. This guy has a good attitude, pragmatic open and his drums aren't processed to a point of sounding plastic, the drums are recorded sounding real and natural.

[@mdp303]

The rock n roll intro i heard was just following the accenting of the guitar into for Johny b good. It actually seems to be true, can’t remember where I heard it though

[@andybaker9356]

Its the intro to a song called Keep a knockin' by Little Richard

[@vkiperman]

Bonzolium did a whole video on it. The intro starts on three-and. It contours against the opening to Johnny b. Goode.

[@AltGrendel]

I’ve found that most of the rock groups I really liked have drummers that had a strong jazz influence.

[@kirstencristobal3204]

Even most guitar shredders like Vai and Petrucci always cite jazz guitarists are their biggest influences

[@walterlippmann6292]

@@kirstencristobal3204 I'm a guitarist and Wes Montgomery is one of my biggest influences, but I didn't realize it until a few years ago. I never really listened to much jazz. Some of my favorite guitarists were influenced by him, but I never listened to him. Then when I did, I realized how many things I do on the guitar are indirect influences from Wes.

[@jerrywoods4066]

@@kirstencristobal3204 Vai loved blackmore

[@richcapo]

@@kirstencristobal3204, Vai hates jazz. He says it makes no sense to him. There’s a video of him asking his producer to turn off the jazz in the studio. He looks made physically ill by it. I’ll see if I can find the video.

[@216Numbskull]

@AltGrendel, The 3 big reasons for this jazz influence in drummers you dig, expands far more then rock drummers, fans,musicians, & just drummers overall. They are "Buddy Rich" "Max Roach" & "Gene Krupa." There's many others & various reasons, but the effect those 3 had by the beat of their drum, transcended drumming! From Bonham & Baker, Peart & Porcaro, or Carey & Copeland,etc... You also have to realize that prior to the creation of jazz music, drummers were falling asleep behind their drumset, restricted to banging out a 4/4 beat! Know that mentioning these 3 drum icons is an overall consensus, not personal opinions or to diminish any other great drummers in the past or present. *Peace & Rock n' Roll 4 Your Soul*

[@toothpastehombre]

I always get nervous when the phone is on the tom.. especially when Bonzo is in the mix! Ps - your outros are top shelf

[@chrisjansen7988]

There's also the Steve Smith Boogada in Separate Ways.

[@chrisjansen7988]

George Fludas has more insight into Bonham/Zep lore than anyone I know. He's also a seriously versatile player.

[@jeanclaudebertoni6262]

So was he! Bonzo started with Jazz, hence his "swing" feel

[@KaninTuzi]

Two other rock drummers with strong jazz influence: Michael Shrieve, Mitch Mitchell Would love to see videos on those two!

[@tobykelly4606]

Mitch is my favorite after Bonham

[@paulfrantizek102]

@@tobykelly4606 Mitch, Charlie and Bonzo are my three top rock drummers.

[@sirdrum-a-lot]

Michael Giles?

[@makkrohero59]

I mostly play jazz now, but Bonham is the reason why I still play drums today. It was him that made me love drums in the first place. Has a huge influence on me and a very special place in my heart

[@gooberthorpos8195]

Best rock drummer of all time - no question. One of the most influential of all time.

[@gerryrepash6706]

Jimmy Page says that Bonham started playing "Keep A Knocking (But You Can't Come In)" by Little Richard and he instinctively figured it out and he came up with the guitar part. Eventually, they figured out how it would be orchestrated.

[@kiddynamite3931]

I've heard the same from many musicians

[@DrFrunk]

Rock n Roll intro is lifted straight from Little Richard's Keep A Knockin. Bonhan was a big fan of Earl Palmer, but the drummer on the record is actually Charles Connor. m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJvYeWBqrbyJmrs

[@I-LOG]

Would love to see a jazzer’s perspective on Keith Moon The Loon

[@ryanwilson5782]

I second this!

[@Thenorthsace]

Hmm

[@johncollins5552]

Only recently found out Moon played 2 or 3 Tom's the exact same size on those double bass kits. In a sense he was the most jazz in his approach to playing drums in a rock band. He kept time with ride cymbal rarely touched the hihat, he also used rimshots widely and wasn't predictable in his use of Tom fills and crash accents, very dynamic driving songs at different levels, rarely ever one level through a song.

[@I-LOG]

@@johncollins5552 He was inspired by big band drummers like Gene Krupa and Buddy Rich, so the "jazzness" in his playing makes a lot of sense.

[@johncollins5552]

@@I-LOG Yes I can totally see that in his technique, his movement around the kit was very free, on the verge of being loose not the typical linear, rigid moves of a typical rock drummer although Moon could play matched grip when he wanted to.

[@G60syncro]

The shout out to George Fludas!! His and Terry's Bonzoleum channels are go to references to anything Bonham related!! Thanks George for everything you do... I've seen the new content you put up recently with the new cymbal analysis.. awesome as always!! Hope you forgive the brain fart I had in the misspelling of your name!!

[@mr.anderson70]

GEORGE RULES

[@rosiemurray2611]

these channels of guys who've devoted their lives to studying Bonham's playing are astonishing archives, they are truly wonderful

[@G60syncro]

@@rosiemurray2611 The nerdiness going on between those two is on another level!! This video kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZi7hpmro9-KbJo&ab_channel=BONHAMOLOGY of them hanging out and tuning a snare to match the tone of specific performance dates is just off the chart!! They're super fun to watch!

[@BONHAMOLOGY]

Thanks all. My name is spelled Fludas. 😁👍🏻

[@AnthonyGarcia-wv1oq]

George is a great jazz drummer who also happens to be one if not the best when it comes to John Bonham covers

[@vahioslim3003]

"Skinny stick brush jockey?!?!" What in the world??😂😂😂

[@BamBam_PDX]

Bonham LOVED jazz. In the early years you can hear him using Max Roach’s “The Drum Also Waltzes” as the beginning of his solo (check the Royal Albert Hall performance from How The West Was Won). The thing that most “rock” drummers miss when they try to play “Bonham” is the inherent swing in his playing. Also, the reason he got the drum sound he did, was because he tuned his drums tighter than a “rock” drummer, more like a bop drummer, just on bigger drums. Also, if you’re going to mention “Rock & Roll”, you need to mention the Little Richard tune “You Keep a Knockin’” which is where he stole that intro from. Almost note for note exact. Lastly, if you’re going to make the jazz reference, you really should mention Zep’s BBC sessions, because you can hear multiple versions of the same songs and see how much Zep and Bonzo loved to improvise. They were basically a jazz band, just playing electric instruments. Also worth mentioning is the live version of Kashmir from How The West Was One. Those big fusion esc fills at the end were basically “Gospel Chops” 25 years before anyone coined that term. There’s SO many connections with Bonzo and jazz. Honestly kinda disappointed that you missed some of these.

[@alexscott730]

The Rock n Roll intro is inspired by Chuck Berry's Johnny B Goode not Little Richard's Keep a Knockin'....I'm kinda disappointed you miss that one.

[@BONHAMOLOGY]

@@alexscott730 It's more similar to Run Rudolph Run....it is not the same as either JBG or Keep a Knockin'. Similar , but not the same.

[@Scracnac]

The story about Rock and Roll is that it's based on the intro of Chuck Berry's Johnny B. Goode. You can sing along the guitar part to get through insted of counting.

[@8020drummer]

Ooooh I know it! See I knew somebody in the comments would have the inside story.

[@Carlo24515]

Check out “Keep a Knockin” by Little Richard ;) . Gotta give some love to Charles Connor if we’re gonna talk about the intro to Rock n’ Roll. Bonham was a big fan of Charles Connor.

[@keiththehawk6512]

That’s where it came from

[@alexmak5038]

It's actually based on Keep A-Knockin by Little Richard, but they're both very close!

[@jpvensel8626]

Yes...they were playing around with classic “rock n roll” intros, like Johnny b Goode, which usually just featured a single guitar, and bonzo played along with it...then they just took out the guitar.

[@22julip]

Considering that Bonham didn’t start playing drums when he was 16 and no lessons according to his son Jason . So 4 years on the drums he was in Zep . WOW . I play guitar but I like these drum videos . Cool video thanks

[@markmadonia1258]

Thanx for this vid! Bonham was deeper than he got credit for..even tho he's so widely renowned

[@badtriad9684]

no disrespect here, but so long as we're playin' the BEST DRUMMER game -never "got" Bonham...

[@anyabongo1331]

OK so I'm learning something new, the "Boogada." Heard it all my life but never knew what it was called. But then again, I play bass. LOL!!! Thanks again.

[@richardgonzalez2698]

So glad you included the great Bonhamology for this one!

[@Jellybeantiger]

Bonham loved Jethro Tull’s drummer,Barriemore Barlow.

[@thereisnothreat7141]

yeah bro, he called him "the greatest drummer england has ever produced"

[@ryandonohue152]

Barlow was way ahead of his time.. Technical beast imo.

[@davidseres3030]

@@ryandonohue152 I'm reminded of Barlow's drumming on Thick As A Brick (very tight and very creative)...Bonham did admire him - and yet nowadays Barlow himself advises drummers not to be (what he now views his JT era drumming as) over-the-top...perhaps as a lover of both drumming (and I'm a drummer) and of history, I think his JT era drumming was "historically" appropriate and acceptable - that is, it was how drummers played in that period of history...I feel the same about (what I call) the sloppy drumming of the 60s; it was a part of and belongs to that era/decade...

[@Drumsmurf]

I always thought BB was more interesting and creative then Neil Peart who stood much more in the drumcommunity spotlight.

[@davidgomersall7185]

I think the best summation of Bonhams style was by Steve Taylor on his channel when he said something along the lines of "Bonham doesn't swing, he swaggers". Great video, always good to hear a self professed jazz nerd talk about the technicalities behind rock 😁

[@bigcarrot3863]

Hope Phil Collins can be looked at next. Lots of jazz and fusion in his catalogue, as well as his jazz only work as a member of Brand X. Arguably just as influential.

[@Ogilla]

Phil Collins is an absolute monster. What a creative, inventive, technical yet tasteful drummer!

[@bigcarrot3863]

@@Ogilla I’m so glad someone else feels that way.

[@maeu59]

@@Ogilla better than Bonham!

[@maeu59]

@@Alfred_-vp9ys you’re kidding right? You haven’t listened to early Genesis, don’t think Bonham could handle it.

[@turnsufficient4971]

Bonzo was the best. His drum sound, his ferosiousness, his speed and power - no drummer before or since has all of those qualities mixed into one person. I've listened to around 300+ Led Zeppelin bootlegs and some of the stuff he does live would floor many people. He was getting better and better as the years rolled on. John Bonham some times mimics the guitar riff and some times he mimicked the vocal lines. He played behind the beat, on top of the beat and ahead of the beat -- it was just about feel to him. He was a master. There is a really quick fill he does in Over the Top (the Out on the Tiles intro groove for his drum solo on their 1977 tour) at The Summit in Houston on May 21, 1977 - he does this insane fill that lasts about 2 seconds and I took the recording to a local drummer who knows how to translate drums, write it on the clef lines, etc --- he's phenomenal indeed. He heard the fill and couldn't believe it. It took him 15 to 20 mins to figure out what Bonzo did in that one fill and it took him another 5 to 7 mins to play it properly on the drums. He was impressed and confessed that he only knew LZ's/Bonham's studio albums and TSRTS album. He came away from it saying - "Bonham did the unexpected and there's no one who really plays like him that he's heard." The music teacher/drummer is in a great cover band and is a great guy. He was thoroughly impressed with what he heard.

[@anthonyrandall8045]

Bonham had a style that makes me think He loved Art Blakey’s drumming.

[@Scott42]

The Rock and Roll intro was taken from Little Richard’s “Keep-a-Knockin”

[@jasonbroad5478]

Carl Palmer.....not sure why there is an argument....Then Neil Peart! Then there is everyone else!

[@Drumsmurf]

Rod Morgenstein said it perfectly: Bonham had a touch on the drums we all strive for. Just like Buddy had command over the drums witch is still unmatched. So it’s not about technique etc. , it’s the unique character of these guys which you can’t really copy.

[@pa77]

Well stated!

[@stephenlf706]

Rod is God

[@theitalianskunkwhisperer6843]

He was a self-taught drummer that no one on earth in the history of the world could've done except for him, he was the chosen one.🙏 He was to the drums what Jimi Hendrix was to guitar. His technique, speed, his feel, and 10 more things he did was incomparable and unfathomable really. He had his own "sound" for crying out loud! 🤔No drummer before or since has had their own sound. A hard hitting rock drummer that could play like Buddy Rich and other great jazz drummers and self-taught??? And his feel was immeasurable. It doesn't even make sense. He was THE GREATEST end of story.

[@gregcable3250]

GInger Baker was better, but I loved Bonzo.

[@theitalianskunkwhisperer6843]

@@gregcable3250 Haha. You like Ginger Baker better and you're partial to him which is cool but he's not John Bonham, no one is Brother. Ginger definitely influenced Bonzo, definitely one of his biggest influences but Bonham was on another level or 2 or 10 above everyone, even the ones considered the best he's above them too.

[@drazj]

All genres of music can be heard in Bonham's playing. That's why he is still No.1 rock drummer.

[@Albeit_Jordan]

ROCK OUT WITH YOUR CO-nsequentially large drumsticks.

[@starduststereo]

I really thought the four sticks beat was a direct influence from the Krautrock band Can’s album Tago Mago , specifically the track paper house, that came out the same year 1971. The beats are nearly identical - anyway just a theory

[@edwardrusk]

+1 like not just for Bonham, but also the Chris Cornell shout-out.

[@TweedSuit]

All those 'Bonham' licks are old jazz licks.

[@harrybutler8101]

This is great - I originally learnt drumming in the 70s with a Jazz / Blues drummer Dad and a Led Zep inspired teacher - life got in the way and i stopped playing for 38 years - then picked it up again - and WOW = what a time warp - I can see the jazz / bonham influence in so much of modern music - it really is amazing. I also love how the internet has enabled us to get so much information - so well done! I am subscribed!

[@jamesrice5058]

Nate! This is great. I spent my preteen & teenage years trying to learn/understand Bonham’s vocabulary. Wish we had you then. Anyways, if you’re considering doing a Jazz Drummer Considers series (I hope you are), may I suggest the self-proclaimed jazz drumming great of Cream, Ginger Baker?

[@gooberthorpos8195]

The first pattern of the stairway fill is actually a herta

[@8020drummer]

Ah - rhythmically I think you're right. I think we're both right tho, because in that herta the snare accents still fall on dotted 8ths. phew :P

[@gooberthorpos8195]

@@8020drummer yeah

[@Rich6Brew]

Regarding the intro to Rock And Roll: Think the guitar intro to Johnny B Goode, or Run Rudolph Run. That's what Bonham was mimicking.

[@BONHAMOLOGY]

Yes, much more like Run Rudolph than Johnny B. Goode

[@briandavis9921]

Great! job mate' only Bonham would lead with his left like most Brits on groove ghost fills, triplets and coming out of herta's and also the intro and first fill of Black Dog to name a few; this is why a lot of times Drummers may miss the plot when trying to emulate his playing :)

[@CVGuitar]

5:59 It's based on Little Richard's Keep a Knockin' kzbin.info/www/bejne/hpSto3iumtyej6M to my ears it's like Johnny B. Goode -- the timing of the guitar intro --

[@andrewring9999]

Bonham is the funkiest rock drummer. (Ziggaboo is the most rocking funk drummer)

[@bikemayer1]

If you play drums, you were influenced by John Bonham.

[@johnrobinson8323]

Nate you rock dude!! Not even just for a jazz drummer. You Rock!!!🥁❤

[@LouisHansell]

Zeppelin's "Rock and Roll" is a remarkable tribute to the early days of rock and roll. The lyrics are a collage of famous early rock and roll songs. Page's solo is a classic E blue progression. And the drum intro is a tribute to the drum intro on a Little Richard song. I forget the title of that song at this moment, you can google it yourself.

[@bubinga_basher]

I call em as I see em, and....finally!!!. Bonham is the most influential drummer of all time. Yes, there are better technical drummers, but none more influential, or better feel. Period.

[@davidfreeme7989]

Absolutely agree

[@maeu59]

I think it was more the whole band in general.

[@bubinga_basher]

@@maeu59 For sure. Replace any of the members, and I don't know how successful they would have been? They wouldn't have sounded like the Zep we know

[@bishlap]

lOVED THIS VIDEO ! Thanks for the no nonsense approach and the easy to understand lesson. SUBBED.

[@briancrawford69]

Bonham is one of the best drummers ever period

[@monkface]

Honestly I love the drums on the Rain song. Honestly I love all the drums from zeppelin!

[@stvdog]

I always say that no one had the combination of power & finesse like John Henry Bonham. The Rain Song is the best example of this.

[@miles-178]

i love jazz, considering myself mainly as a jazz/funk drummer but hell i do love John Bonham !!!!

[@SolamenteVees]

My favorite rock drummer, Jimmy Chamberlin, has a strong Jazz background. (I'm a guitarist) JC is an absolute beast- check out Geek USA if you're not familiar.

[@kfranco145]

Hell yeah

[@stephenord3403]

Mr Bonham, the best ever used to listen to soul music before going on stage

[@simianinc]

I’m not a drummer, so I can only argue my preferences as a punter, but Keith Moon is my favourite rock drummer - he’s just harder to assimilate into the general rock vocabulary

[@arideout8861]

I thought Bonham was a jazz drummer quoted saying rock n roll is "rubbish."

[@canconservative8976]

You could make a 10 hour video on Bonham`s grooves and drum licks.... his unmatchable feel, the ghost notes between the ghost notes the way he creates tension in the pauses... Try ``Fool in the Rain`` to hear an un-replicatable song beat... to this day nobody drums like that. Then if you dare to review his live playing... it`s off the charts... in fact it`s un-chartable. You know when you`re listening to a great song and you can sense the Drummer is going to do something special that takes the music to another level, and then HE DOESN`T DO ANYTHING! That`s not Bonham.

[@thevelointhevale1132]

My fave booga-da ... is basically to have two floor toms and a single rack ... my preferred booga-da is right hand rack -then - left hand snare - kick ... then alternate right hand between rack and the two floor toms - my rig 26x16 Kick - 13x9 Rack Tom - 16x14 Floor Tom - 16x18 Floor Tom - 14x6.5 Snare.

[@arnaud3450]

Hi nate. The Stairway Fill is more like Snare/tom/floor tom/kick + kick x 4 (the snare & 2 kicks x4 are on 16th & the Snare/tom/floor tom/kick is 32th triplets) followed by Snare/tom/kick x2 as 16th triplets.

[@MrCherryJuice]

Enjoyable, but a couple points I'll throw in. Carmine Appice, not John Bonham, was the archetype for (hard) rock drumming as we know it today. His style was essentially Gene Krupa and Bernard Purdie on steroids. He influenced Bonham - also a Krupa and Purdie fan - and famously set the Zep drummer up with his big blonde Ludwig kit, which matched Carmine's, though the second bass drum was quickly abandoned, apparently on orders from Jimmy Page. And it is worth noting that Bonham, as with so many other British drummers was into jazz (Krupa, Rich, Morello...), so he had a grasp of swing. (So did his groove influencer, Purdie.) Jeff Beck's earliest drummers including Aynsley Dunbar, Micky Waller and Tony Newman, particularly the latter two, were early examples of jazz-rooted drummers with funky swagger (listen to Waller on Beck's 'Shapes of Things', and Newman on 'Plynth (Water Down the Drain)'. Other 60s/70s Brit pop and rock drummers with jazz roots included Bobby Elliott (Hollies), Ginger Baker (Cream, though more notably with the Graham Bond Organisation), Mitch Mitchell (Hendrix, Georgie Fame's Blue Flames), Jon Hiseman (Georgie Fames, Ian MacDonald (King Crimson), John Mayall's Bluesbreakers, Colosseum....), Ian Paice (Deep Purple), Bluesbreakers Hughie Flint, Keef Hartley and Colin Allen, Carl Palmer, Bill Bruford, Ian Wallace, Brian 'Blinky'' Davidson (the Nice), Ian McCulloch (Greenslade) etc. It is somewhat ironic that so many rock drummers have no interest in learning even the fundamentals of jazz, yet their favourite rock drummers are who they are because of their exposure to jazz. Maybe that could be a topic for you. Swing and swagger are missing from the playing of so many drummers that it should be made a priority for learning. Technique, groove, speed, power...swing and swagger. This is Micky Waller with Rod Stewart, Ronnie Wood on bass, and Jeff Beck. kzbin.info/www/bejne/h4nSk6OomNGGl80

[@bennyhill8186]

you were gonna say ...rock out?...with your flock neatly shepherded and organized by your shepherd dogs?

[@andrewgillis8572]

OK Ginger Baker & Bobby Caldwell and let's include Mitch Mitchell & Nick Mason - builders of unusual beats

[@eddierivera1860]

Bonzo admired Ginger Baker tremendously, Bonham is the best ROCK drummer But! NOT! the greatest drummer of all time that honor belongs to Mr. Chick Webb, even Buddy called him the DADDY of them all.

[@frednouvertne4216]

No disrespect here, I think John Bonham and Led Zeppelin are overrated. After years of playing guitar, last year I had the opportunity to teach myself the drums and I listened to old Led Zeppelin songs off of LZ2. I had it down after a few hours. The drummer I have enjoyed (back in the day) vs John Bonham was Carl Palmer. Also Elvin Jones. I have been listening to Jack DeJohnette ovee the years. I don't want to forget Buddy Miles. Absolutely incredible. Hendrix was onto something jamming with him at the Fillmore. Mitch Mitchell was excellent however. Lastly I enjoy Joe Morello playing in 5/4 time on Time Out. Frankly, I can't understand why a young person would emulate a favorite band; however, Led Zeppelin has been over for years. And most of the so czlled classic rock artists. It was all good back in it's day however. Two bright spots (for me) is Chris Campbell of Leggy and Alex Pavely of Dream Wife.

[@_stardust62]

Bill Ward grew up listening to his dad's jazz records....jazzys make the best rock drummers!

[@heavenbound358]

So what if great drummers were influenced by jazz! IT STILL SUCKS

[@jeffreywegener8841]

Nate give a bit friggen credit to Little Richard’s drummer where Bonham admits he got it from . Keep a knocking - gee that’s rock n roll . And you have mentioned Elvins & Papas triples too for obvious reasons.

[@staceyenglish8936]

J.B. was a jàzz drummer who played in a rock n roll/blues band that is just happened to to hit drums SO hard! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@johnspartan5515]

I love drumming to rock, but jazz is more intricate, and more difficult to play!

[@5150mario]

Your break down of Four Sticks reminds me of Phil Collins "Don't Care Anymore". 🤔

[@Oneness100]

they F up in the intro of Rock and Roll. It took them a couple of bars to sync up.. I think it was Jimmy Page that F'd up.. Who knows, they were probably high/drunk when they recorded it...

[@tednruth453]

Elbows out moving through full range of motion, shoulders articulating, hair flailing....

[@David-mo5jw]

Not such a big jump when you consider Mitch Mitchel matching Hendrix,Ginger Baker in Cream and Charly Wats in the stones all Jazz drummers and top of their rock drummer game.

[@garysullivan5481]

Drum intro is basically the guitar intro to Chuck Berry's Johnny be Good ...if you play guitar in your head as u play,it matches up..this is where Bonham got it from I believe

[@theinvisibleman5878]

Are you Brand X type jazz or Charlie Parker type jazz? I'm a jazz fusion fan but not traditional jazz so much.

[@OoogaBoog]

All that and Bonham died at 32... with much of his greatest done by age 22. My confusion is how you talk Jazz and never mention Moby Dick.

[@nasticanasta]

Keith Moon had better imagination, I saw both in concerts back in the mid 70's....you can't be much of a "jazz" drummer, if you're tossing around the words "greatest" and "best". I happened to see LZ in 77 and they were all stoned, it wasn't a good show....1977 @ Richfield Coliseum near Cleveland...ask anyone who was there, a lot of people went out to smoke. But there are so many better drummers than Bonham ever was....and it all started with "Song Remains The Same' movie where he uses his hands to drum with, it's all everyone talked about when they saw it....as if hands were some forgotten instrument, I was then and still am baffled that so many, and mostly none musicians or drummers, think he is so goddamned great. He was good for Led Zeppelin...I don't think he would have been recognized as great if he was in any other band.

[@itsianwood]

Do jazz drummers consider themselves to be above other style drummers somehow? Just asking - don't get toxic please!

[@JDines]

The most will known "bugada" (sic?) in rock is the serial burst of them in the intro to Grand Funk Railroad's "We're an American Band"

[@derek5168]

Bonham was into some jazz drummer's buddy rich was one of his favourites so he just wasn't inspired by rock and roll

[@jaybreen1010]

I am late to the party - but as how the band knew when to come in when playing Rock and Roll? It was the intro beat to Keep A Knockin' by Little Richard, so having all been familiar with that song, the downbeat was not in question for any of them. Charles Connor, early trap kit rock drummer played a very similar figure. He was also a left handed drum kit player, so he rules right along with Earl Palmer as far as the early innovators go.

[@franram7426]

Probably a great clip. But.... As a non-drummer, it was boring.

[@guytansbariva2295]

Yes Nate, I knew you were the NPR finger in the air tea drinker, but so am I. Hope you're doing well my friend!! ❤️

[@skydogfan4671]

A great, great underrated drummer is Dino Danelli - The Young Rascals. Watch them live on the Ed Sullivan Show and you’ll see what I mean.

[@jimronsivalli1675]

At his time, There are others like his son Jason or the Foo Fighters Taylor Hawkins, and can't forget Dave Grohl. I Saw Zepplin on their first North American tour in Boston.