What Eric Moore Told me About Playing Fast

[@EricMooreIIOfficial]

This is cool🙏🏾

[@8020drummer]

Thanks for watching, and thanks for the advice and inspiration!

[@Lemon_Drums_USA]

One thing Ill add. I had this problem when I was studying with Chris Coleman. The first hurdle is learning the lick, but the harder hurdle is getting stick height and volume while staying relaxed. This is a technique obstacle that can be tackled at slow speeds...ifff you really want to. Some people don't like opening up the back fingers for stick height. Just like some rock guys don't like playing with closed hands to do the quite finesse stuff

[@reydjaniro3311]

Eric MooreII love from far.

[@dikbeats2720]

Great lesson man.. Allows for positive thinking once again

[@crashsmash1461]

What I find works best for me, is to be your self 🙏👍🥢🥁 Respect your Iconic Drummers, of course there is many out there, that's like trying to say your on a level of Jacob Arman & Senri Kawaguchi,, Baard Kolstad & Cobus & many others, I never wanted war but I got what I asked for people will hate all the time, just keep your chin up & never give up giving up, I'm not sure what you term goals are, but all you can do for now is stay 🙏positive🙏 bro, be happy U can still play drum some people are not so lucky, for me I may never get well enough to sit behide a drum kit ever again, & hearing about Neil 🥁 Pete, Eric Moore doe's a wonderful job on Drum's, & staying alive & positive 🙏☯️🙏🏻 is the only way, I understand it's been possible with the virus thing make so much 😷😩 trouble but you will find your own path, if U stay positive 🙏☯️🥁🥢👍👍 seny📩📤from🇦🇺...

[@chris_bern]

I would say that maybe the reason you don’t sound like him is because he is playing very loudly with a lot of intensity while your style is more subtle than loud

[@xlcoldj]

Yeah, the tips of Eric's sticks are moving further in the same amount of time--they're coming up past his ears sometimes...

[@cx777o]

@Day One Mastering wtf...

[@daviddebuhr8995]

@Day One Mastering Harsh.

[@uglyjuel301]

David DeBuhr what did he say?

[@uglyjuel301]

gnarly tesseract pfp

[@GingerDrums]

I agree with many commenters below about your playing. The notes are cleanly in place, but it sounds very mechanical due to a lack of dynamics. I noticed this in lots of your stuff, very few accents, a stream of similar sounding 16ths. It seems you put the time in to build control and play quietly, so all the easier for you to accent some tasty hits and make the whole playing more exciting.

[@stanbicknell]

This is all great analysis Nate, and great playing too, but honestly it’s just an energy thing man. Everything you play is below the shoulder, everything Eric and rest play, is above shoulder. Lay into it a little more.

[@avielkharrat5788]

Dude, every time i whatch one of your vid, you're taking me to the next level. And i'm a guitar player!! I've come to the realization that having a clear idea of what i want to play is the key to playing fast. Your "play clean" video is what led me on this track. Keep it up !

[@jasonx7803]

This reminds me of something Gavin Harrison was saying in a video (on Drumeo, maybe?) about essentially wanting to have excess “CPU” when playing. Basically to be able to comprehend everything he’s doing while playing a song well enough that it doesn’t require his full attention to play what’s supposed to be there, so that he can freely insert flourishes and embellishments without worrying about losing his place or losing the beat. In linguistics there’s the idea of “productivity”, which means that you can take a small set of parts, the sound inventory of a language, the constraints of what sounds can go next to each other in which order (phonotactics) and produce literally infinite variety. No matter how good you are with a language, you’ll still trip over unfamiliar words or phrases, so it stands to reason that plying an instrument is the same, and learning to speak/play fast with one set of phrases won’t necessarily generalize to all phrases, especially if those phrases are in an entirely new language. (With whatever language maps to in the drums.)

[@m4drums]

Wow! What an incredible comment! And amazing example with languages, fraises and wards. Just Amazingly well put and said! Thank you!

[@redford4ever]

Here's the feedback you really need. YOU PLAY SUPER LOW ENERGY. Music is Energy much more than skill, even in Jazz. It's not about playing loud, it's about playing engaged. You have to mean everything you do godammit. Now don't get me wrong, I like you, your angle, I like your groove as a drummer, which is why I am frustrated. E N E R G Y ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY See? It's not an intellectual process :P

[@GingerDrums]

I think we mean the same thing, I'd describe it as dynamics. Dynamics makes excitement, even if the general level is quiet or loud.

[@redford4ever]

@@GingerDrums It's true it expresses in dynamics but it helps me more to think of it as commitment. The public isn't as much here to hear you play as to hear you *say*. Even when you're doing cover. Each hit is here because it means something to you or it's out.

[@theepicwolfnetwork5220]

I know someone who has quiet dynamics, but he’s a savage. He plays as fast and as good as Eric, and with his dynamics. When he accidentally hits hard, it sounds like some cool odd out of place accent. So it’s not about dynamics, but it is about energy

[@afrohop]

The Epic Wolf Network my natural dynamic is quieter and there is a noticeable difference depending on my level of engagement regardless of volume level. That said, I believe there are some accents where the sweet spot of dynamic level is loud. Sometimes you need a significant difference between note volume to make a statement.

[@idonteatcheetos]

Grégory Makles I was working with a guitarist and he said "You got to play with more feeling!" Then I thought to myself "What does that mean?" ... Then one day it all clicked. It is called dynamics, and being able to make the energy ebb and flow on a drum kit is an artistic skill that can take a lifetime to master

[@rnjesus9950]

Great video- I’m also getting into linear drumming after a decade and a half of playing. It’s almost like learning to read again- like learning words and letter and all of that. You can’t learn to read if you try to go fast. It has to be slow at first. And just remember, at the end of the day Eric Moore wouldn’t be the same if he always tried to play like someone else. Embrace what makes your playing uniquely you, your strengths, and learn from others along the way, but don’t lose yourself imitating them. Thanks for sharing, man. All the best!

[@guitarsarebest6565]

This teaching/approach applies TO EVERYTHING. Well done.

[@drumptydumpty1540]

I’ve always maintained that the Eric, and the guys on Eric’s level, should be mentioned when they have a top 100 best drummers poll. These guys have brought something entire new the the table. They are seriously underrated.

[@Drumaier]

And they put guys like the robot Neil peart that has zero control over dynamics and that can only play scripted drumming... Number one or something 😂 😂 😂. I'm sure Neil has a place mostly for developing a style, but in my book Eric and lots of other drummers are waaaay better and more fluid on the drums. If you play all stiff and scripted and if you need 300 cymbals to sound interesting then you don't belong even to a 100 list. Not a fan of peart... Not a fan at all.

[@Dave-lr2wo]

Underrated? Slap yourself. EVERYBODY knows how great Eric and other "underrated" drummers are. There is exactly NOBODY who underrates them. Zero. There is no "undiscovered, underappreciated" talent happening here. Literally everybody who *could* know, *does* know. He has endorsements, a fanbase, high-paying professional gigs. He is WIDELY LAUDED, not underrated. Invest in a dictionary, and the next time you pull this "underrated" comment bullshit, slap yourself numb. You fucking twits who keep writing "underrated" everywhere -- take a hike.

[@JC-xx5dm]

When I see Eric play I see a ton of emotion. A player can master the logic reason portion but it’s difficult to replace the emotion.

[@Drumaier]

Yes, and confidence. There can't be even a 0,0001% of hesitation. The only way to play this stuff with confidence is probably by being able to play it even faster so you are never struggling and playing at the edge of your abilities. I'm pretty sure that to play this live, he first ensures that can play it at an extra 20bpm at home.

[@JC-xx5dm]

I don’t know. Some drummers play like it’s the last song they are ever going to play. It’s really hard to rationalize or explain what this is other than through emotion.

[@vaticpillars]

I think with a lot of these drummers there’s something maybe they're born with. Like I was listening to a podcast with Gary Novak, and he said never had a problem playing whatever he thought/heard in his head. Such a small percentage of drummers.

[@LanceWillMakeIt]

@@vaticpillars over time I'm more and more able to play exactly what I think in my head. That ability is absolutely something you can practice and get better at

[@LanceWillMakeIt]

​@@JC-xx5dm I think Drumaier J has a good interpretation of this - Confidence is an emotion, so i think you're both right about this. If there's one thing you hear in Eric's playing, it's confidence. But on top of that confidence that he has mentally, it also shows through his sound (which is achieved through tons of practice)

[@clayquakenbush]

I just bought a used set very recently. I'm a grandpa who has played professionally decades ago. Getting back to it now. Thanks for your videos. Making everything click in my brain again. I'll get my chops back then teach my grandson.

[@alexleedrums311]

When teaching my drumline students, I always preach that playing it slowly and with intention. They won’t be able to play it at full speed unless they can play it cleanly at a slow tempo. Great lesson.

[@TheWitchOvAgnesi]

Well said. Now if I could actually follow that advice, you all would be talking about ME instead of Eric Moore... LOL

[@t3hgir]

Completely agree but I think for very fast patterns (especially double bass) there is another element to practicing at the actual tempo. I'm talking in terms of muscle relaxation, endurance and consistency. I agree that you FIRST need to practice new patterns at very slow tempos.

[@g_niac]

“slow is smooth and smooth is fast” is a great mnemonic device. happy to find this channel. approaching music and drumming in a scientific way alleviates a ton of potential anxiety approaching galactic fills like this. also, know the “take 7”, “take 8” feeling lol. i’ve been starting every rec session by sarcastically saying, “what’s crazy is that i recorded this in one take” when i begin recording lol. like i’m talking to a session producer through the glass but it’s just me. canon has an app that enables remote recording options but it’s kind of a batt drain. whoever designs a console specifically for solo drummers to run a/v monitor thru could make bank.

[@xerodremora]

it took me 7 years to learn how to play meshugga's song bleed completely, and everything you said is literally my experience in trying to emulate another persons ability

[@boriente]

Play louder. Removing volume inhibitions seems to allow one to move as aggressively as they need to.

[@cobra1995xx]

Exactly.. he almost looks like it's a nervous pitter patter.. that's how I get when I practice sometimes and I kinda wonder if the neighbors hear me suckin??! Just gotta say fuck it and send it with intensity! Lol I almost compare it to like the "over speed training" golfer and runner do. Ya gotta exaggerate past the point of control to speed the body up..

[@ILikeWafflz]

@@cobra1995xx That's my problem. Even when I'm playing as heavily as I can without losing control of the sticks, I look like I'm at about medium level.

[@andreyaek2266]

It's easier when going loud for sure. It depends so much on what music you want to be playing though. If you're in a metal band you don't need to care, but for a lot of other kinds of music your chops won't help you much if they only work when you're going hard (+bandmates will hate you lol). ;)

[@CampbellYoungblood]

Yeah... needing to play louder is usually not the problem. So many musical situations need us to play way quieter with intensity.

[@boriente]

@@CampbellYoungblood But...in a conversation on the topic "how to play like EM..." dude doesn't play quietly with intensity.

[@codgerfiasco]

Perhaps sentiment plays a part. There rarely seems to be an emotional component to your playing. What would anger look and sound like if you were performing it? What would elation sound like? You seem cautious and it might be fun to experiment with letting go of accuracy and indulging in some gratuitous human mess, even if it sounds bad at first. That's probably the hardest brief anyone could give me so i'm giving it to you.

[@bastianfausager1158]

This was really motivating to watch

[@МихаилЛогинов-я8э]

It’s clear that Eric is improvising with a pallet of patterns. He chose pattern on the fly and creates transitions on the fly. That’s where all the odd rhythm things come from. But with his playing skill he just can’t go wrong. And after that all the nerds go translating and learning all that insanity ))))))) Thank you man for the explanation! It’s really helpful. But what makes the real difference, what makes big black guys outstanding: 1. Do not consider what you going to play, just play. 2. Do not be kind to your drumset, your ears, neighbors, whatever. 3. Do not give a fuck on what people think about your playing. 4. Be the bad ass )))))

[@buddyrichable1]

Михаил Логинов This is the dumbest rationale I have ever heard. “Big Black Guys” do not consider what you are going to play, just play. What the fuck does that mean? Sounds like some kid who has never played before, just bang away without considering what you’re playing. And this just applies to large, black people? That’s like saying Muhamed Alli just went in the ring and swung his arms, hoping he would hit something. Not the hours and hours and more hours of training, combined with natural ability and mental strategy of psyching out an opponent.

[@gixxerboyroyluvdrumswaters9023]

Drums are life, I'm inspired by everyone you mentioned, and including yourself that's why I watch your channel, different voices have a lot to say and gifts to display. 😎

[@larrytemple86]

5:00 TO 5:45 IS THE PERFECT ANALYSIS OF THIS PARTICULAR STYLE AND THEN DEVELOPING A SYSTEM TO APPROACH IT. A REAL GREAT ILLUSTRATION FROM NATE

[@outsidetheinside8817]

Great stuff man. You do a really good job of explaining and executing the concepts you are presenting. Keep up the great work!

[@bencausey]

I know you’ve surely heard this before, but your teaching/video editing/mature drumming chops put you in another class of KZbin educational video. Nicely done.

[@jmossner8414]

You need to get yourself a jacket like Eric's. Then.... then my friend you will be fast!~

[@wiisportss]

This is something I’ve struggled with a lot lately. Thank you for your insight, this was super helpful and uplifting! Gonna go speed myself up to 1.25 but first, I’ma make it smooth.

[@drumz47]

Rhythm brother .. You are making really great progress with devotion and seriousness to want to elevate your rhythm game. I love your deep passion and attention to detail just as EM shows us . KEEP FOCUSED AND STAY ON THE KIT ... PRAY ALWAYS ....A LITTLE LUCK WITH HARD WORK AND BOOOM..#ONENEVERKNOWS!!! MUCH LOVE & APPRECIATION RHYTHM BROTHER. PEACE

[@buddyrichable1]

I’m surprised that you have not zeroed in on the real difference between you and Eric as an example. And that is, the passion and intensity he and Aaron Speers as examples, put into their playing. Your chops and technical abilities are great. You have the technical ability, but your playing is analytical, not passioate. At first I thought you were playing like that for demonstration purposes, but that’s the only way I’ve ever heard you play. It’s like the difference between Tony Robins giving a lecture, and Elon Musk giving a lecture. It has nothing to do with intelligence or abillity, it’s about something just as important, delivery. I admire your technical and analytical skills, I wish I was on that level, I just think you need to let your emotions take the reigns and hit those drums.

[@8020drummer]

That's like saying the difference between me and John Jones in the ring is that he's more passionate and intense.

[@buddyrichable1]

The 80/20 Drummer Look, if you cant see the difference between what Eric Moore is doing and what you’re doing, that’s fine. I tried to figure out why I don’t watch many of your videos, and it’s not because there isn’t great info to be learned. It’s more that you are not concerned with teaching as much as you are with analyzing and constantly working out your issues and comparing yourself endlessly to other drummers, jumping from one to another. You blast through the instruction phase and go on with your neurotic self analysis. Watch a Mike Johnston video to see the difference. The Eric Moore breakdown of his patterns was the most interesting part of the video, but it’s glossed over quickly and most of the video is about trying to increase speed. You have a lot to offer as a teacher but you are focusing on your issues, not teaching. Most people watching you are not as advanced as you and are trying to pick up a pattern to practice, and are depending on you to guide them through each step of the process. Otherwise they wouldn’t be watching. Tony Royster did a Drumeo lesson and after a great solo, went through a bunch of patterns in an understandable way, knowing that most of the viewers were at varying levels, so he took that into account. I learned a lot from that video.

[@carmenip6924]

I think the some part of comment is kinda true, but ur video is still very good for teaching, everyone s different, for sure eric Moore s very passionate but not everyone could play like the eric Moore, but this channel do the analysis and let ppl know more from his point of view, keep up the good work dude! And I do agree the gospel drummers have different way to feel the music, mostly from the heart/love and groove

[@BokuPower]

Hey I just want to throw this idea out there. Although we should always strive to be a better player, it's okay to not be a world class drummer. Being yourself is okay too. It would also be okay to play hockey like Connor McDavid or sing like Freddy Mercury, but you have to remember that there are a handful of people that are just the top of the top. That's who the guys are that Nate is mentioning. Don't fret, there is still a place for all of us more fallible human drummers. These top guys can't be everywhere at once! HAHAHA!

[@TheWitchOvAgnesi]

I think it's far more important to play to one's natural tendencies (assuming those are in time - LOL) than to worry about playing like someone else. Yes, the latter has a place in terms of study and learning to play different styles, patterns, etc. But at the end of the day, if you don't play like yourself, you'll never develop your own sound - which is what really distinguishes the "world class drummers" - they have their own identifiable sound. I forget who said it, but "Just play like you. No one else has done that yet."

[@microtonalmilio5233]

And adding to this. So he is not a top drummer, but what he is good at is making KZbin videos. He is a good speaker and makes me care about what he says. So no you are not a pro drummer but you are a pro drum teacher, which is the first thing people will look for when they hit a rough spot on the kit.

[@cx777o]

I really loved this video! Came at the right time for me... The feeling of being repetitive on the kit is not something one wants to feel for long. So practicing slow and adding speed over time would then be the answer..even if that means being patient and persistent on a whole new level. Thanks Nate!

[@houdinitj37]

Thank you very much for this video ! You have no idea how much this helped me

[@swagnostic132]

A thing that helped me speed wise on guitar and drums was growing up listening to fast/ rhythmically dense music. Fast things dont feel all that fast sometimes. I think john longstreth from origin even mentioned that at some point, being able to see the small gaps made playinig faster easier to work on. Same goes for ear/ brain and same goes for hands. And like eric said, it's very important to just TRY these things once you get a footing on how to actually get your body playing. So many people are concerned with making mistakes and mulling over them they just dont put the effort into trying something above their ability out for fear of making a mistake in practice. That's how you learn and push yourself! To me, that makes the difference between a high level player's practice. If you approach learning or trying something new with kid gloves, it's gonna be a long game

[@TheWitchOvAgnesi]

LOL, was just about to mention what Longstreth said in that drumtalk interview! The fact is with the acquisition of speed comes the understanding of time and space. For me it was getting above 260 bpm when you finally start to hear and feel it. Play back a recording and things sound a lot faster than they felt when you were recording.

[@ericmsandoval]

It’s like you tried to mimic Eric playing as softly as you possibly could play lol It’s ok to hit hard, man. They won’t hit back I promise!

[@orti1283]

The eye of my beginner self disagrees on the last part hahahah

[@danielondrums7646]

I found it interesting that you brought up processor speed and wanted to add something to that. Our brains hardly get any faster with age, in most occasions it's the opposite. So what our brain needs to do is pack information in bundels so you need to process less overall information. What Eric and other fast drummers have is probably a huge variety of combos they can retrieve effortlessly. Orchestrating those combos thus becomes easier as well. This one is important to consider when practicing. Your brain won't just get faster, you need to create some zip files for it. You do that subconciously anyways but it's good to be aware of it

[@michaelanderson2881]

Yes! When I watch Todd Sucherman he always seems to have a "package" of riffs for any 2, 3, and 4, bar situation. It's from working out a pattern and then, quite simply, playing it (and several variations) thousands of times each.

[@0509killer]

This zip file concept is something my brain processor can comprehend.

[@_xw3n_]

Yooo this is exactly what sean wright does.he plays all those fills but a little bit slower,with way more accents and splashes but clean af!!!

[@tedeisner822]

What Chris said, which I would go further to say as a factor of performing to a camera versus a huge stadium

[@joseescobar8807]

Quality content. Thanks for spending the time to make this. The last couple of vids have helped me get out of my own rut. 👍🏽

[@m4drums]

Thank you so much for this particular lesson! I've been following your channel for a couple of years, and this is one of the very best. wWill look mor in to it :-) P/S/ By the way, in my opinion -- you're running one of the most original channels out there in KZbin drums/percussion community. Respect and Thank you!

[@kevinhugh5411]

Awesome topic. The other comments nailed it. I’ve learned to play quiet in bars, weddings and restaurants because unless you’re playing stages/arenas - you can’t blow people’s ears off. I’ve had enough sound guys giving me the stink-eye to force adaption. You probably have too. Thus, you end up choking up on the stick and keeping stick heights low. This limits speed and articulation. If you want to play like Eric - raise em’ up! Untrain yourself.

[@rhythmantic]

I really dig your opening theme music. Speaking of the role the mind plays: think melodically as opposed to learning “licks” aka, “chops”. Thank you Nate for the cerebrally rich content in your videos. “The Thinking Man’s Drummer”.

[@kentosalazar]

loved this, thank you. also really enjoyed the cinematography too!

[@yung.w]

This is really helpful! I was focusing on building speed the past year but that only results in disappointment. Only recently I realized I should focus on control and being clean, and your video certainly reinforce that idea in my head and now I have a clearer goal in mind when I practice. Thank you so much! and man.. those legends sure play fast and clean!

[@betobates]

Thanks for this I was looking exactly how to manage that 5 and 6 pattern that Eric uses so much so this was a jem for me. Regards

[@PeterSolod0]

Just play louder, lift your sticks higher! Don't overthink things

[@chuckshreds3108]

PeterSolod0 I was just thinking this while watching the video. Then I scrolled down and saw your comment. HAHA!

[@evanlandi1366]

fr dude is so amazingly talented just needs a little more oomph to sound like that edit: i think he could also use more wrist than fingers to get more power

[@-max-6429]

MAN, I LOVE THE SOUND OF YOUR FLOOR TOM, CAN YOU DO A TUNING DRUMS VIDEO ???

[@steves_garage]

This is exactly right. The easiest stuff to play is the stuff you've already thought about before you play it. Provided you have the technical facility, you can play anything as long as you've thought it.

[@kapilidis41]

One thing i really love about your latest bunch of videos is that you make yourself the "test subject" of whatever concept/idea/philosophy is you're trying to convey, so that every drummer out there can compare with his own process/level/philosophy/results etc. Not everybody gets it, it think, but that's ok. Or maybe i'm one of the few that see it this way, maybe that is not your intention at all. But me personally i've benefited a ton from your work mostly because it always forces me to look inside myself. Love your stuff! Take care and keep up the good work.

[@streetsmartdrumming9567]

best real talk comment

[@namesake7139]

Moore is a matter at single stroke rolls and accents. World class speed with his hands.

[@FCMC123]

Well thought. Well played. Thanks!

[@Perrythedrummer]

You got a new sub here! Funny Informative content. And Eric is one of my favourite drummers.

[@arielcardozo]

Some people have said some very constructive things here in the comments. I would just like to add that a lot of it is the music that you love, that you listen to in your own time. Eric's mind internalizes lots of ghospel choppy fusion things, problably because that is what he digs. You like slow tempo smooth modern jazz, i guess. It's different. Drumming is first of all music, which is expression, feeling, energy. You gotta let yourself go at some time. And yeah, the difference may be in falling in love with the music style and letting it command you.

[@chavezedrums]

This was great insight!! Ty so much!

[@drumroll420]

I check out all the drummers you mention, and I am a bit old school. My heroes to this day are Tony Williams, Billy Cobham, Simon Philips, Terry Bozzio, Mike Clark, Al Jackson Jr, Jack DeJohnette, Elvin Jones, Roy Haynes, Dennis Chambers, Bill Bruford, Stewart Copeland, Dave Weckl, Phil Collins (who yes had great hand speed), Steve Gadd, Jeff Porcaro, etc., etc. I never che3cked them out solely for speed. It was the little things they did that got me.The new cats such as Sput Searight, Chris Dave, knock me out as well. But in my advanced age of 50+ years old, who still works on playing with speed, it doesn't matter how mush faster I get. I can get pretty fast, using many techniques I have studied (Chuck Brown, who taught Bozzio and who I studied with, brings me the easiest way to get it), and still get a lot of power using velocity rather than sheer muscle (the two inch punch thing), but then I check out Bill Stewart, Joey Peebles, and Billy Martin, and music just flows out of them without me even aware how fast or not fast they are playing. I watch Cobham's "Tenth Pinn" vid on KZbin and to me that is insanely fast and sheer full of awesome, and I hear Tony Williams on "A Famous Blues", which is full of groundbreaking stuff played with a shitload of energy and speed but it's not fast for fast's sake. I think you play plenty fast, even though it's more subdued for the examples and lessons (I get a lot of info just from watching you play and how you break it down, and to me it's fast enough, given there is no music along with it to give the licks some musical context, which in a way makes it superfluous, granted they are just examples), but I don't watch your channel to learn how to gain speed. Way too many vids on KZbin for that. I watch your channel to connect me with new ideas and approaches, and the unique and intelligent way you present them. Frankly, the "speed drummers" you present on this clip all sound the same to me, but that's only due to the context they are presented. I am certain they have a lot more in the toolbox than sheer speed and power. I have met drummers such as Harold Jones and Colin Bailey (got a couple of free lessons from Bailey when I worked a jazz club in San Francisco, and you think his bass drum playing is fast, his hands were even more impressive - BTW that bass drum technique of his works), and Harold Jones showed me what it's all about: he came into the club for a gig with only a snare, 18" bass drum, a hit hat, and his collection of Zildjian Mini Cup cymbals ( many years later, while working video cam for a Tony Bennett concert, I checked out the drummers kit, saw a collection of Mini Cups, and right then I knew it was Jones, who still recognized me from that SF jazz club once he came onstage for soundcheck, awesome cat, and even the metal guys who did cam with me thought he "shredded" lulz), and that was it. He played two nights with a trio backing a singer with just that kit, and it was an absolute clinic in taste and color. Tl;dr, you're doing fine brutha, we all get existential but it ain't how fast you get there, it's about how the flowers smelled along the way.Edit: had to add Graham Lear, and Pierre Moerlin of Gong to my list, if only for "Three Blind Mice" and I still can't figure out what he is doing during the keyboard solo (maybe you can do a vid on that, which would be awesome).

[@bdubzdrumz]

Yeah man, I’ve had this exact same struggle with my hero’s! Mine mainly stems from A) double bass speed and B) adding kick drum to fills/combos/patterns with speed. Grinding everyday to reach the mountain top. Thanks for the video!

[@kittenassassin]

Brian Evans, the drummer for CHON, has some insane licks on their new album. His playing is so expressive and musical, while he still chops out like crazy. He's definitely been a big influence recently

[@leethor8947]

Breakdown videos like this are so awesome, thank you for sharing 👍

[@Q1776Q]

your videos are just so very, very good..... Thanks

[@mattdrewdrums]

A lot of it is about consistency and posture/form. I can usually identify how advanced a drummer is from his overall form, without even hearing the drumming. There is a smooth, consistent motion in every great drummer. This is a motion everyone who has mastered their crafts possesses. Watching an NBA player dribble, a professional artist paint, etc., you will see they all possess perfect fluid form. As far as obtaining that, practicing form is all you can do. Some people, though, are naturally able to understand this motion while others aren't.

[@BigNickontheDrum]

You get a like just for quoting from the movie PI But you EARNED IT for "slow is smooth, and smooth is fast"

[@8020drummer]

The two most frequent comments I’m getting are that it’s either just about playing louder, or else Eric was just born with it and even trying to emulate him is overthinking. 🤔

[@8020drummer]

@@MrQstixx lol to a degree - new rule tho: anybody who leave the "Born With It" comment needs to post a video of their own playing so I can see from what vantage point on the mountain they're dispensing advice;)

[@ericmsandoval]

Dude it’s not even about playing loud, it’s about playing with energy or at least SOME sense of feeling for fucks sake.

[@BigNickontheDrum]

Man this thread is full of "play louder" and "not black enough" garbage......... One, being black has nothing to do with playing loud and proud. I'm sure there are as many timid and tepid young black players we don't see as the are Tony Royster Jr's. Two, there's as much virtue in playing soft as there is loud, if not more. I play loud as hell, and I can tell you no one would give a damn if it weren't for throwing a quiet passage in here and there. There's too many players who play their fills out of balance with their time, that goes both ways: too loud, too soft. If you're wood shedding and focusing on vocabulary, like 80/20 is, there's no reason to focus on fortissimo. He's playing with control and focusing on the vocab. I'll bet you he plays to the rafters when he's on the bandstand. And that's a third thing: PLAY TO THE ROOM. Eric is commanding a whole open air stadium, he NEEDS to project (not to mention put on a show!) If you're in a practice room blasting shui like it's WW3, unless you're conditioning for some extreme metal... who are you playing to? Probably just your ego... you might get more mileage playing soft, working on touch, and becoming more confident at low volumes. And I'll say it again, it's got nothing to do with being black or white. The only difference there is the culture you come up in... there are white kids who break the mold to play loud and proud (Billy Rymer anyone?) And I'm willing to bet there are black students who still haven't sprouted their wings yet. Get back to practice y'all

[@JerryVanSouth]

wow, one of the rare comments on YT where the authors knows what he is actually talking/writing about AND the tone of the words is informative yet friendly. And it's coming from a "fellow drummer" which make me being a drummer myselft proud too

[@GhostOfLorelei]

I think the unspoken lesson here is that you gotta recognize what your mind is and what it isn’t. If your mind is fast, play fast, it’ll suit you. If you’re mind is chill and groovy...play chill and groovy. Play you, it’ll always be better.

[@spiritroku]

I’ve been hitting the weights for several months now, and I can play my chops a lot faster. Im kinda smaller, and as much as I didn’t want to believe before, I now now that strength makes huge difference. I also think that’s a solid point about how your mind has to think think quickly. Thanks for the lesson.

[@askgodforyou]

nice vid like his old eric moore vids 3over 2 and 3 over 1 myself i try starting fill on the and gives it that swing flow instead of so straight up

[@QuadRyo]

On the point of what Eric said and what you were saying at the end: the way I think of it is, just because it is fast, doesn't mean it develops fast. You gotta diligent sure, but (depending on the thing) give it time to develop. Practice it 10 minutes a day for a year and you'll be surprised where you get; as long as you can handle the wait.

[@ethelwaldo]

Your best video so far, keep it up.

[@tomzec415]

I like your style, you helped me to improve my drumming. Greetings from Argentina!!

[@IsaiahStewartJazz]

SICK!!! Nice transcription job! You're right! Start slow and focus on precision and you will naturally speed up over time

[@alandanielw]

Great video! I honestly think a sprinkle to add on top of everything you said...would be that SWING! To play the pattern with a swung 8th note feel makes it do tastey. Instead of straight chops.

[@billsmith1957]

2:24 "Sad trombone, right?" Not if you are comfortable with your own acquired skills and abilities, then you can put those aside with the confidence and knowing that they are there at your disposal and just focus on playing for the room and the situation with fluidity and creativity. May your trombone transmute into a trumpet of triumph..🎶 🎺 ✌️

[@spacebar3019]

Substantial lesson. 🙏👍

[@aprillia818]

MR..BEAN PLAYING DRUMS

[@beatrocka5]

This mindset will help me with bass and keyboard!

[@alwaysjustjohn]

I tried beatboxing while playing so my mind was connected to my hands and feet . Its hard at first but its a little exercise that has helped. I'm no where as good as anyone else you've mentioned but it popped in my head when you mentioned processing speed.

[@thelifeandtimes.ofazombiegirl]

Moore is a badass. When I was playing I was obsessed with Carter Beauford. I never could get his technique since I wasn't apendextrious. Just keep going brother. J

[@antrygrevok6440]

Please read Kahneman's Thinking Fast & Slow.. The real key is actually internal-automation: WHEN one's body is actualizing one's thoughts *effortlessly*, because all the expression-of-this-pattern has become automatic, THEN you think-together the patterns, & your body can carry its part, while you take care of your part.. I've realized that there are several stages in mastery, it isn't just "10,000h of intelligently-stacked *effective* practice", as many assume.. 1st one has to get enough automatic-skill for one to be playing-in-that-game. Then one has to go through the "it can carry me: I just wanna have fun" stage, until that stage gets old. Then one gets focusing on making one's *intent* be expressing through trained-competence, & that's where mastery can really *begin* to be happening. When one has both one's imprint-reaction Kahneman1 mind working, properly-trained, in producing *correct* result, AND one has one's considered-reasoning, one's Kahneman2 mind, *also* focusing force into intended-creative-result, THEN the competition begins falling-away.. Salut, Namaste, & Kaizen, Hoomin.. _ /\ _

[@joshuahalla.k.a.controlla6333]

Great video. ☺

[@ricklang_drummer]

Cleanliness is next to grooviness. Chasing speed is so 2005. Doing this stuff slower is many times a greater challenge. Especially at super slow speeds. Also believe Jojo Mayer mentioned this thing that you only can play as fast as you can think (or hear).

[@meekoloco]

Do you man, that’s what we’re here for

[@Poeme340]

Interesting, thoughtful video-thx! I read that even Rachmaninov would practice by playing Chopin etudes at @1/4 speed to get his technique refined. You sound great, BTW.👍

[@rglickdrums]

Greatest explanation and lesson on this channel

[@jorgelopez9620]

You sparked me, love it

[@seanraye]

Dude I like ur personality

[@Grundibular]

Been thinking this every time I see "I transcribed and learnt [amazing drummer X solo]" and it sorta/kinda works, but you can see the overthinking and it looks awkward. They're having REMEMBER the sticking and the chops instead of CREATING them. It has to come from inside to really work.

[@dallaradrums]

Grundibular but transcribing and learning solos/patterns exactly as written is a great way to bring new stickings, as well as dynamic and rhythmic ideas, into one's vocabulary. It maintains excitement too as long as it's stuff the player's interested in. Yeah, you're most likely not going to sound like them. But as you get more and more comfortable learning concepts, you'll get more and more comfortable coming up with your own. I'm probably beating a dead horse on this but some people might want/need to read it.

[@grannywalter]

I love the channel theme!

[@Rob-pq1bk]

Super helpful video. Lotta knowledge on this channel🤙🏼

[@jeffreyreinhart1882]

Eric was playing 2x as hard but an excellent lesson. Being primarily a metal drummer, I've found that playing in a jam/classic rock band has improved my precision massively as well as speed. It's a lot harder to play slow, especially if you're going from an 8 piece double bass set to a 4 piece with half as many cymbals

[@dcd_cabrera]

Bro, I've been on the same journey for years. Black drummers do have a natural innate dynamic flowing conversational way of playing around the kit. More so than speed though, is energy and flow. Shedding is just so ingrained in black/church culture. Drum conversations. You see church kids doing this before they can talk or walk. It's almost their first language. Imagine being so fluent in that language (in the form of chops/combinations) like an elite freestyle rapper with all the vocabulary and go-to phrases. I know volume and energy has been mentioned in the comments here, but I would like to stress FLOW. Sometimes we get so caught up in transcribing and practicing specific licks while the guys we're studying aren't. They're practicing entries and exits. How to go from one rudiment or phrase to another without choking. They're ALWAYS ready for the next note, physically and mentally. Add good technique and freedom around the kit (bigger smoother moeller motions and unrestricted stick heights) and having a regular shedding sparring partner to converse the language with and you'd be surprised how much your playing can improve in this style. My humble two cents ;) Good luck and enjoy the journey!

[@amyo]

Dcd Cabrera I love this comment!!!!!

[@siuleopouesi5794]

You can never sound like him because he's him and you're you. Each drummer is unique depending on what they grew up listening to and playing to. Speed is only one in the drumming world, but you have something every great drum should have, discipline, time and Grooove! Play on brother!

[@monowheeling]

The most striking difference in playing seems to be the _intensity_ and not holding back on movements rather than speed. It's strange that The 80/20 Drummer wouldn't recognize this huge difference and at least comment on why that is not relevant.

[@christianscott6963]

I loved this lesson!! I think Eric was cool to admit that he plays like he thinks... Authentically fast. And not trying to be anyone else but himself. I think drums demand that authentic approach, because it's what people feel in your playing. Less is more

[@concretebuilding]

This is very much an old-school lesson, for many reasons. I actually first learned it while learning how to play piano! But this isn't just why Eric Moore is good. It's why Neil Peart was as good as he was. Geddy knew him to be the only person to rehearse in order to rehearse. Neil was getting all the cerebral stuff down when nobody was looking! It's also why Keith moon was as good as he was. He played in patterns, but made it sound like it was all on the fly. And John Bonham. And Stewart Copeland. And Buddy Rich. And so forth. It's one of the core things that really ties them all together. It's also why I watch your channel and a few others, because you all help by breaking it down.

[@SuperUghe]

Eric Moore’s secret is the copious amounts of practice building chops and rudiments up to high speeds. After a while you can just flow through all that shit at blazing speeds. Especially if you’ve been building combos since the age of 2 😂

[@carlrest6553]

Everyone has their own style. People can influence your style but in the end, you develop your own. I learned a long time ago that I didn't have the time or want to put in the time to get to that level. However, I had enough talent to be on the regular gig circuit in my city and area. That's good enough for me. I have my own style, I'm clean and I can hold the pocket. I think for 99% of drummers out there, that is their goal. Of the 1%, 3/4 of them are fooling themselves. That's why, if I were you, I would just ignore any negative or hateful comments.

[@arturofernandez6088]

Like the video! Great observations.

[@wiggins3093]

Bra I enjoy your videos Man. You serious and funny at the same time. Thats a hard trick to pull off.

[@cbaum64]

This is really cool advice, I'm gonna try this! Thanks, man!

[@Imaddrums]

this lesson was amazing! whats the outro song by that way?

[@pigphatnick]

Great advise

[@flushot6513]

Well even tbe most basic beats always gonna sound better when hooked into speakers to play in front of a major crowd so hook up to tall speakers and play louder then in return you will sound better

[@JonnyJayJonson]

I totally agree... Practicing in a rehearsal room is a very, very different feeling to playing stadium tours, with stadium PA... that's gonna reflect in the playing and sound!

[@FlowinZen]

I think the biggest difference is you got to practice like if you were playing live, in a live show you have to bring out the extra energy. Practice as if you were playing in front of 10k people