8GB of RAM for your Mac is enough

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[@notrottenapple]

okay before you guys continue just know that you’re yelling at the AI Spotify DJ 🥺

[@Realrabel]

Actually?

[@CPCS]

you soundlike it tho

[@superjanne3777]

Okay but it was never an "its sufficient for normal people" issue, it was always a pricing issue. For 1.5k+ USD you should be getting top of the line premium hardware that you will be using for the next half a decade at least, not "good for ocassional power work today" hardware.

[@3ton07]

I wish there were some kind of technology to upgrade ram, like changeable sticks of ram that you could plug in and out.

[@hard_reset52]

that'd be crazy

[@funded.]

yea thats to hard to impliment

[@Blankjoyer_]

wow i wonder if that already exists hmmmmm

[@co1dz]

i wish it happened, im tired of downloading more ram whenever i need some

[@MouseQueen7220]

Nah that's some alien technology that may come out in 20 years

[@E4S65]

There is no excuse for any “premium” laptop to only use 8GB. Ram isn’t actually expensive, Apple is just greedy and charges 3-4 times what it actually costs.

[@helgaotto7801]

Very short sighted view. Companies always charge a multiple of what it takes them to make something, not just for increasing profit but also to cover expenses for development, business risks etc. Those expenses and risks are never considered in your kind of calculations. Apple could easily charge less for the individual upgrades and instead charge more for the base models for an example. Then you couldn’t complain about “overpriced” upgrades, but would that really be better? I don’t think so.

[@E4S65]

@@helgaotto7801 Are you saying Apple is the only company that has to pay for R&D? If you go with any other laptop company and match spec for spec you are paying a LOT more for Mac book.

[@helgaotto7801]

@@E4S65 ok? Are you deliberately leaving out so many things out of your equation or is that really the limit to your perception? Since when do people make purchasing decisions purely based on technical specs? They don’t, whether it’s computers, phones, cars.. the higher you go into the premium segments, the more other things besides tech specs play a role which also have to be researched and developed.

[@m-aeibi]

@@helgaotto7801 those things being what hm? genuine question because i literally cant think of anything asides from specs and design isn’t too difficult…

[@helgaotto7801]

@@m-aeibi “Design isn’t difficult” 😂 ok. Then why is there barely any windows laptop which comes close to a MacBook in design and built quality? Capitalism is quite effective in that if the exact same thing was available for a cheaper price, over time the cheaper product would prevail. Apple can charge as much as they do precisely because there aren’t many (or any) alternatives when compared overall instead of just spec to spec.

[@PotatoToon]

The drama is basically ''it's too expensive for what it offers''. People would be okay to say 8GB of ram is enough if the pricing was much lower.

[@ripjaydilla]

But basically MacBooks comes with you know... M1,M2 or M3 Powerful chips and very efficient as well, top of the line displays, best speakers, best trackpad, keyboard as well and a metal body that will last your whole lifetime. Now, most if not all laptops that ship with Windows aren't even power efficient, have really poor display, poor speakers, trackpads that don't even work and plastic unibody that didn't cost much to design... so, why you paying $1600 USD for that HP Victus, Lenovo Legion , ASUS ROG?

[@PotatoToon]

@@ripjaydilla Simple, you don't. You get a windows laptop at like 300-500$ and if you really want a PC you build a true gaming PC (1500-2000$)

[@_nahwhat]

@@ripjaydilla The "most" you are referring to are budget laptops ($300-500), which have those poor displays, speakers, trackpads and plastic design. In my opinion, I think it is really stupid to compare a $500 laptop to a $1500. How about you actually compare a $1500 laptop to a $1500 laptop.

[@ripjaydilla]

@@_nahwhat Please share a laptop that would beat this very M3 14 Mac at digital creation. Power, battery, display accuracy and trackpad. I’d be interested to know if I have better options at this price.

[@ripjaydilla]

@@PotatoToon yeah I mean Mac is not for gaming. If I were to game I would currently get a PS5 or something. I much prefer quick scoping with my mouse and undeniably the better shortcuts on my keyboard but the experience on a PS5 is very nice and it’s very reasonably priced…

[@dacueba-games]

Lots of benchmarks have been done, and the extra 8 gigs of RAM make a big difference on Mac for video editing and other tasks. The performance is much higher. Clueless channel.

[@frykauf]

Yeah wasn't it so bad that M3 w/ 8/256 was slower than M2 w/ 16/512 config? Honestly seems like bad marketing move, just to save a few $, basically pushing people to buy older device.

[@SamAlexandros]

I don't think he was wrong, he talks about the avarage person. The avarage person doesn't need more than 8. At the end he also explains that the pricing is high and "Pro" users need more ram, no matter how efficient mac ram can be

[@kerrydaniels8460]

​​@@SamAlexandrosHe is wrong, because he talks about the $1700 Mac pro. There is no excuse for that only having 8GB. He doesn't just say average person either since he wanted to go in and mention professionals and calla himself a power user because he makes some vids and runs a basic script here or there. A true professional that utilizes resources to a power user level can easily point out why 8GB is limited. This guy goes about an iPhone as if that makes a case at alll for waht folks do on an actual laptop professionally. No one is talking about an iPhone a totally different device and use case. We're talking about MacBooks. Professionals may have needs for multiple OS's to include VM, compiling, running servers, running IDE's, web browsers, etc. and thinking crappy swap makes up for it is a bad take on his end. Especially on an expensive device incapable of swapping out storage. You also misquote him as he literally said 8GB is great for everyone regardless and more than efficient for everybody which isn't true.

[@yoompkisser]

​@kerrydaniels8460 you're a pc user, I can just tell that from you saying "VM". Try a silicon mac first.

[@kerrydaniels8460]

@triviabitesshorts You don't even know what VM is. I can tell. I have all 3 major OS's including a Mac. I actually work professionally as a tech consultant. I can tell you have no clue or expertise to speak period on this. Move along.

[@Sestaak]

I beg to differ, sort of. When you don't have enough memory to do a task, you WILL notice. The SSD only has so much bandwidth, take it from someone who's driven his lil' baseline M1 MBA beyond its limits for two and a half years. Switching between several low-memory loads (like a few heavy browser tabs or a mid-small Photoshop project and Illustrator) works admirably well. However, when you need all that memory at the same time (i.e. several containers, compiling code, some heavy Chrome tabs plus slack and Spotify for good measure), all that performance goes out the window. Audio breaks down or sometimes outright stops, the system becomes horribly laggy or even freezes for seconds at a time. That said, it is quite impressive just how far 8GB will get you despite the system always eating up 2.2GB, and the abundance of resource-heavy, chromium-based apps. Can be enough for some casual users - most people that want to do little more than office work, writing, some browsing, even lighter creative workloads. Still think they should've went with 12/24/36GB for the MBA or at the very least the baseline pro.

[@Kiloisreal]

Blud is delusional💀

[@skibidiniggagroomercumsigma76]

Did you watch the video?

[@yozoraict]

@@skibidiniggagroomercumsigma76 blud can't even watch a 9 minutes video lmao probably a tiktok guy

[@achuuuooooosuu]

Very obvious you didn’t watch the whole video.

[@SamAlexandros]

​@@achuuuooooosuu you can understand it because he used the skull emoji

[@eyeslanderer]

i love you, you're extremely underrated, but this is 1,799$. Please rethink this take.

[@lime-animates-2763]

Please watch the video before you comment

[@Bear-nr9jo]

my boy is a tiiiiny bit delulu 🤪🤪

[@tuck103]

The problem isn't whether its enough or not, the problem is how much they are charging for a computer with just 8 GB of RAM, and how much they charge to upgrade.

[@joakimlindblom8256]

Yes, I agree that giving us only 8 GB of RAM is a strategy to divert us from the real scandal that there is no glowing Apple logo😉. Seriously, though, I do believe that the 8 GB in the base model is a strategy for planned obsolescence: with the majority of MacBooks being sold being with 8 GB and not upgradeable, these customers will be back in 2 - 3 years to get a 16 GB model when 8 GB is no longer viable (I'm already struggling with severe slowdowns at times with my 8 GB MacBook Air). The retail cost difference between 8 GB and 16 GB chips is around $15, so it would likely cost Apple less than $10 to provide 16 GB as the base option, which would make their most commonly sold machines perform better and last years longer. So yes, planned obsolescence😠

[@Wavey110]

Which MacBook Air do you have, and how long have you had it? I'm wondering because I have the MacBook Air M3 with 8 GB for about a Month and have had no issues. Ive even run videos games, discord, browser, etc.

[@joakimlindblom8256]

@@Wavey110 I have an M1 MacBook Air with 8GB, as well as a 14" M1 MacBook Pro Max with 32GB. Am constantly having to close windows and apps on the M1 Air -- when I have more than 10 Safari windows/tabs open plus a few other apps, it slows down to a crawl (I can have 100 safari windows plus a ton of other apps open on my M1 Pro Max without a problem). Perhaps my use case is atypical, but I really wish I had 16 GB on my Air. Also, my 2017 Intel MacBook with 16 GB has no problem with a workload that brings my 8 GB MacBook Air to its knees due to memory starvation.

[@itsjuliescottyay]

@@Wavey110Exactly - I got the 8GB M2 and I have never had an issue with anything.

[@mr_bear6362]

@@itsjuliescottyay The problem is that there's not be an easily perceivable problem without reference to the performance of the 16g version, some tests that have been done by various youtubers have the 16g performing up to 30% faster in overall multitasking like playing games and video editing. There are even a couple edge cases where the 16g model is TWICE as fast as the 8g

[@itsjuliescottyay]

@@mr_bear6362 that might be why. I’m not really a gamer and I never do video editing. I use it more for basic work tasks, in my job doesn’t require a lot of heavy programs. I also stream entertainment in my free time and use it for daily personal tasks. So far so good. I had actually planned on buying a 16 gig, but I was able to get a like new slightly used MacBook Air with 8GB for an amazing price, so I thought I’d give it a shot. 🙂

[@kubasamu]

8GB of ram in 2024 is a very bad idea, especially with Apple Silicon. Do tasks that require memory = macOS uses swap memory (even if the swap size is small, that portion of SSD space is used as RANDOM access memory, so bytes are getting written/overwritten to the reserved space every second) = more SSD writes = SSD NAND chips die quicker, thus losing data and bricking the Mac since Apple Silicon Macs don't allow booting from external storage without internal memory present. Everything on the motherboard is soldered, so you cannot easily upgrade/replace faulty components (not to mention parts pairing). Also, if other components than NAND chips fail, you cannot recover your data since there's no lifeboat connector or a removable drive. Malicious design at it's finest.

[@witnessofmurdaa]

couldn't have said it better

[@purchasecomplete5640]

Bro trippin 💀🙏 16 is the min

[@jobo_o]

nuh uh

[@valdir7426]

no an 8GB macbook is perfectly usable; and for heavy tasks too, it's not "barely working" as some people seem to suggest.

[@Playerofakind]

​​​​you can get a far better windows laptop for that price with 4x the ram,better display,better cpu, a dedicated gpu and better cooling. No one is saying 8gb is unuseable its just insanely priced

[@Flapjck]

I have a 2018 macbook pro (it’s a love hate relationship) with 8gb and it’s fine even with an intel chip . BUT apple should not charge a stupid amount extra for 16GB. I think thats the issue most people have, the starting price should be with 16GB minimum. When similar ARM processors are made for windows they’re gonna be cheaper and assumably with replaceable ram.

[@seansull]

nah 8GB of ram is not enough for anyone doing serious work on their computer but cool video! appreciate the hard work

[@ericgregory9677]

You do realize that Swap Memory isn't exclusive to Apple products right? It is also present in Windows and Linux Computers and Android Phones and Tablets. (Yeah iPhones and iPads also have Swap Memory). "How do I know this?" you may ask, well it is because I am a CERTIFIED COMPUTER TECHNICIAN (if you want proof I can send you photos of my Certification or something like that). Also it is literally impossible for 8GB of RAM to be equal to 16GB of RAM in any situation in terms of capacity (it can be equal to or above (if you have good enough RAM for that you should of gotten 16GB of it anyways) in terms of performance if the workload is below or equal to the amount of available RAM of the 8GB system). Also the price of RAM for other systems with upgrade-able/replaceable RAM is way way way cheaper than for Apple which actually makes a little bit of sense because you would need a completely different SOC (system on chip) assuming that Apple didn't just lock the extra RAM behind a paywall. Despite of all that, good video.

[@notrottenapple]

hey there! never said swap memory was exclusive. appreciate your take though. thanks for watching!

[@kerrydaniels8460]

​@@notrottenappleYou did say 8GB is equivalent to 16GB which isn't true at all. Not even close. I like your videos, but sometimes you are wrong on certain things. You explanation on RAM compacity being double is false and you underplay the effects of swap. Degrading SSD on a non-replaceable SSD is a huge deal on an expensive device. Swap also is nowhere near as fast as RAM which degrades performance for sure more than your video seemed to portray it. If you had just stuck to saying 8GB on the Air I would have been more inclined to give a pass since you can get those for $650 now, but you lumped on $1700+ pro laptops and compared that to an iPhone as if a phone is the same as a laptop or something. The fact you brought up the phone as some sort of "gotcha" says a lot. No offense, but you seem unaware of many types of professional workloads. If you're buying a $1700 laptop really shouldn't be compromises like that and being able to run something sub optimally isn't what true professionals spending that kind of money are doing. Not to mention, many can't run their workloads at all on it. Especially with crappy swap. Just making you aware is all.

[@AlexHadfield]

What about when normal people get 8GB for basic tasks, but then decide to do more with it later? The RAM then immediately becomes a limitation. My dad for example decided to go back to school and started taking CS classes, his computer couldn’t handle it, had the default lower RAM been higher, he would have been okay.

[@user-pk6fk5ns1s]

bro 16gb ram is the present not the future. same apple who used usb 2.0 for their lightning cable for 10+ yrs until they were forced to update by the EU

[@raffaelegagliardi9385]

You can have a big Brain (CPU), but without Legs(RAM) you can't walk.

[@Nafiur13]

In my opinion 8 gb ram is enough for mac cause mac doesn’t play most games anyways, and also who actually buys mac for gaming?

[@skatcat743]

Ssd swapping will lead to premature ssd failure I am sure of it.

[@arro-pie]

Wooo, terrible take. 8GB of RAM has zero future proofing capabilities. And without the ability to update it down the line really cuts the longevity of a device in half. Sorry, I just don’t agree with this take at all.

[@heroninja1125]

Im getting a framework laptop 16 and sticking 64GB of DDR5 into it because even my current laptop with 16GB of RAM simply cannot hold up to my tasks. 8GB of RAM that is both RAM and VRAM is utterly useless in this day and age. Most gaming laptops at that price point have more VRAM in their GPU then the m3 macbook pro has shared to all of its parts. Not even mentioning the 16-32GB that is fairly standard for CPU ram.

[@RichardLionheart12]

I would by gaming desktop not prebuilt instead of buying framework laptop if you buying framework laptop for gaming then it useless as it doesn't game at all, better you get desktop with better cpu and gpu.

[@heroninja1125]

@@RichardLionheart12 I use my steamdeck to play video games. The framework assumes the role of a productivity device for my photo and video editing, as well as 3D rendering and design. I also use it for school, and it functions as a pretty good device for watching documentaries as well.

[@riboiman4005]

8 GB of RAM is "enough" but it shouldn't be what we get for a premium price and shouldn't be justified in any way, regardless of if you glaze Apple, Microsoft, or Linux products, or even if you don't glaze anyone.

[@frykauf]

Didn't LTT found out that Apple's SSD 'upgrades' are more expensive than gold is for the same weight? RAM is overpriced like that too. It's crazy.

[@NicholastheStoic]

Totally agree. I'm still a bit concerned with Apple Intelligence and its RAM usage, but I don't think Apple would just murder their 8 GB Macs and still turn around to sell other new ones with the same RAM onboard. It may not be as fast, or you may not be able to run as many apps in the background as you could on a more expensive device, but I don't think they'll turn all of the 8GB Macs into steaming piles of junk, like what happened to a lot of older Windows PCs when Windows 10 came out as an almost forced free upgrade. I have the same M2 MacBook Pro with 256 GB SSD and 8 GB RAM, as well as a 7th gen Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon with 4 TB SSD (upgraded) and 16 GB RAM, and I can confirm that with similar workloads, the MacBook easily keeps up and in most cases, can run laps around my X1 Carbon running Windows 11, with 16 GB RAM. I'm a power user and often have multiple browser windows, Excel spreadsheets, system administration tools for my servers & network, podcasts, and much more. I often find I'm hitting the ceiling a lot faster on the X1 with 16 GB RAM than my MacBook Pro with 8 GB, but with any resource intensive task, I can just remote into my Windows server (which I am planning to upgrade at some undetermined future date), which has a 6th gen Intel i7-6700, 32 GB RAM, and an RTX-3050. If I'm rendering something or doing a heavy task that needs to be scaled up to something more powerful, I can remote desktop into the server, offload the task to it, it also has a NAS, so I can transfer files between my Mac or X1 easily over the network or a VPN tunnel, and while that's chugging away at the task, I can just end the remote desktop session, and my Mac or X1 still has all of its resources fully available to do whatever else, and isn't being actively bogged down by the rendering process, so in that respect, it's actually more usable than having a single more powerful and more expensive MacBook that would do everything in-house. I also don't need to worry about battery life, because the server is plugged into a constant power source, my laptop is just a thin client and doesn't even need to be turned on when the server is rendering

[@SpiderAssassin91]

So if anything fails from that unified memory, the macbook goes as well. Is pretty much what i understood from this video.

[@abdullah_azzam]

yh i kinda agree with you but the reason why 8GB of ram is terrible is when you use it on a shared computer. we have both a M1 imac with 16GB in our house, as well as an M2 macbook air 15" with 8GB of RAM. And when only one user is logged on, the macbook definitely feels a bit more responsive (not a huge jump between M1 and M2 anyways), but when there are 3-4 users logged on, the macbook feels way worse and the framerate is very choppy systemwide (which itself is something apple NEEDS to fix DESPERATELY). but yeah thats my two cents (i only have two left because i spent the rest on the computers 💀)

[@kpsayyed84]

For 1700 usd, other laptops have 16gb of ram plus 8gb of vram that's 24gb in total if it was apu compared to 8gb unified, it's still very less

[@kfs.w4332]

I think the key note here is. Everyone who has had a MacBook their whole life like tech reviewers need that extra 8gb ram because to them that’s the norm But if you put a 8gb m3 to a person who just uses it normally like a glorified tablet It’s amazing It’s wonderful it’s a MacBook At the end of the day It’s just a MacBook If you want to go crazy with games get windows If you want to go crazy with editing then you shouldn’t be even looking at the base models 8gb is fine guys I still go to Starbucks seeing people use intel

[@valdir7426]

I'm a professionnal musician and use ableton live, do pretty heavy stuff with it, never had a glitch with 8GB on my air M1. people need to relax; unless they do specialized stuff with their computer. And yeah people who actually just need to browse the web can use a macbook from 2012 fine or a an old PC laptop. These modern machines, even the M1 from 2020 are crazy powerful. In activity monitor there's a memory pressure indicator that will go red when you're out of RAM; then you still have a bit of room before things start to actually break. people should do their most ram intensive task; look at that; and then decide if the amount of RAM they have is enough.

[@RuffyYoshi]

As someone who has a 16GB macbook pro, this isn't true. 8GB is NOT ENOUGH unless you only have one or two apps open at a time. And playing games, forget about it. Even at 16 I always see 2GB of Swap File memory being used. So quit bullshitting.

[@notrottenapple]

just because your workflow is vastly different then mine doesn’t mean I’m “bullshitting”. I don’t play games on my Mac. I use it strictly for work and entertainment (like watching videos). I literally don’t have anything to gain from lying, I’m just sharing my experience. kiss my ass

[@itsjuliescottyay]

@@notrottenapple I got an 8 GB MacBook Air M2 because I was able to get a very slightly “used” one that was in brand new condition (still in the original packaging) for $850. I couldn’t pass that up, but I was concerned that it wouldn’t be enough RAM. I have never had a problem with that computer for anything that I have used it for. I think it just totally depends on the workload, not everybody is editing videos or playing games on their computers, so while I would have opted for the 16 GB if I had been paying full price, the great deal that I got showed me that I really don’t need it.

[@jayb8934]

Yes, at the price they ask, all Macs should come with more than 8GB of RAM. Also yes, that 8GB is in fact enough for most users. Both of these things can be true.

[@jorgeguzman8083]

I feel the real issue isn't necessarily the semantic argument about what pro or non-pro means, it's that 16gb of ram wouldn't cost much at all compared to the total price of the machine but they want to charge you $200 more for the upgrade and leave you with 8gb for such a high price.

[@Ribbuns]

yeah Apple Explained said it perfectly. Its one of Apple's biggest scams.

[@Wavey110]

My MacBook Air M3 8GB has been a beast with multitasking. Ive run Video Games, Discord, Browsers, Etc, all at the same time with little to no slowness. Of course I am not video editing and don't plan to but I'd assume even then it could run small videos. Either way I still love my Mac.

[@fauzan.developer]

Ok, 8 gigs are fine. But please give us low price to upgrade.

[@rose47000]

i love how he brings up how much faster the unified memory is than non-unified ram (which isn't true) but fails to mention that 8 gb of ram on an Apple silicon Mac is less than on a PC with dedicated graphics because they have to share memory

[@RegenTonnenEnte]

How much more brainwashed can a fanboy get?

[@7A7z]

And again a Mac PRO is not for a avarage person Air is so stop trying to be a fanboy and think about what ppl use a Mac PRO for they buy one to handle much more intensive tasks which that wimpy 8GB Uram cant handle so they are better off with a zephyrus G14 really

[@valdir7426]

omg this is a marketing term who cares. buy what you need for the tasks you do

[@zestylemonss]

bro what whold happen if i dont have enough Storage and ram? im on tye macbook air m1 (base model) btw

[@E4S65]

Depends what you do with your computer. You use more memory (RAM) as you open up and run different things. When you run out of physical memory your system will start swapping between the physical memory and virtual memory on your storage drive. This means you can still open up more things even when you use up all your physical memory but this will make your system more slow and sluggish when you run out. Storage is what you use to store your own files and apps as well as things like the operating system. It’s important to figure out if you want to store large files like video photos or audio on your computer itself. 1TB sounds like a lot but it can fill up fast if you try to store media of any kind and once it fills up you have to figure out a different solution to save things or delete/move files. There is no “virtual storage” so when you run out of space you flat out can save anything else on your full drive until you clear up space. You can also use external drives when you are running low on space but they are more slow and have to be plugged in to use them.

[@7A7z]

sry mate but 8GB of ram on a M3 mac cant even come close to 8GB of ram on a PC with a GPU because dedicated GPUs come with their own memory called vram hope u did ur research

[@charlix3]

My friend still uses an M1 MBAir he got used, and he pays around 2000€/yr on subscription software for it. That’s his main work computer. The only reason I’m not a mac user is because I still work freelance and don’t need to care about legitimate licenses.

[@BassySB]

I'd honestly love to see what your mac setup looks like.

[@SamFigueroa]

8GB is fine if it swaps. Laughs in software development. It’s not fine for 2024. MBP with 32GB feels limited at times. I often feel I need to quit certain apps at times because they can’t run effectively.

[@kerrydaniels8460]

He doesn't get it. He calls himself a power user, but doesn't get it. He brought up an iPhone as if people use phones for the type of professional work you do on a laptop or desktop. His defense was "oh, an iPhone has 8GB." Like what? Nobody is running full fledged workloads on an iPhone dude.

[@danielhandika8767]

my guy legit defending a lackluster spec on an overpriced product

[@zachzimmermann5209]

8GB really isn't acceptable when (on my machine anyways) over 7GB is used before I open anything at all. Granted, I have a few utilities that start on boot (rectangle, raycast, stats, itsycal, hammerspoon, tailscale, etc.) but it sure makes me glad I went for the 32GB model. I often find that development work brings the machine to over 25 GB of ram used.

[@ATechGuy-mp6hn]

I think but am not sure MacOS just as Windows consumes more when it has more to pre load stuff you use often to launch even quicker. At least windows does this that I'm sure of. After upgrading my desktop from 16 to 32gb I noticed higher idle usage using the same install which confirms that.

[@valdir7426]

on a mac you need to look at the memory pressure; how much is used is totally meaningless since it will cache anything it can into ram. You can also look at compressed memory and the amount of swap.

[@Mr.-Toad]

one thing: VM's

[@frykauf]

Doesn't Premiere just crash at 8 GB of RAM most of the time? Like what workload is this 'Pro' machine for? This is actually just embarrassing for Apple to sell this AND call it 'Pro'.

[@kerrydaniels8460]

8GB is minimum specs. 16GB minimum is the ACTUAL RECOMMENDED minimum gor it amongst many if not MOST professional power applications. This guy doesn't understand more advanced workloads though. He brought an iPhone into a discussion over pro laptops which doesn't make sense at all. He also told people 8GB is the exact same as 16GB which trust me IS NOT how RAM works. That is like saying 1 house is the exact same as two houses. No. Not how that works.

[@valdir7426]

I've done editing with final cut pro just fine with 8GB. I'm also a professional musician and I promise you I had zero issue running ableton live with heavy sessions on 8GB. I just don't use that many sample libraries where it can become an actual problem.

[@valdir7426]

@@kerrydaniels8460 see my other reply. 8GB will not be a problem in a lot of situation. Now I work mostly with sound; not images; so that may be different. There definitely are applications where 8GB is short but most people are fine with 8GB. and I'm not defending Apple's pricing; it's outrageous but real life experience shows me it's not a problem for me.

[@I_stole_your_cheese]

6:32 --> resource conscious mfs on their way to spend 1200 on a computer with 8GBs of RAM.

[@slavboii420]

While I think 8GB of RAM may be enough for most normal use, it is still really horrible that Apple is charging more than $1500 for just 8GB of RAM. What's even worse are the prices they charge for upgrading this base RAM configuration(and the fact that it is soldered in, so the user can't upgrade it later)

[@SquidBow]

I played elden ring that at minimum wants 12 with only 8 on windows and it was completely fine, np

[@7A7z]

sry mate but 8GB of ram on a M3 mac cant even come close to 8GB of ram on a PC with a GPU because dedicated GPUs come with their own memory called vram hope u did ur research

[@skatcat743]

Brother storage and ram is not unified

[@SMILENATION12599]

macbooks are supposed to be a work station not a gaming laptop

[@IceBlueLugia]

Um… work needs RAM too. In fact generally more RAM than gaming does

[@SassInYourClass]

5:39 “…there’s always a concern for the possible wear it’ll put on your SSD in the long term. Those caveats aside…” bro, THAT *IS* the caveat! That’s the whole problem we have with there only being 8GB. Yeah, price is a thing, too, but the main issue is the longevity of your device. Apple’s SSDs are not magic or special. They use off-the-shelf components. Despite memory compression and unified memory and all the other cool things Apple does with RAM, 8GB is no longer enough for a device sold today with a processor that should be able to support 7+ years of software updates. It’s a stupid bottleneck.

[@helloken]

At the end of the day anyone that's defending Apple computers having 8gb is 'fine for most people' or whatever other excuse is basically doing acrobatics with theory, cherry picking data and use cases, and favorable facts to try to push their point. Or, Apple could SIMPLY and CHEAPLY add more RAM and we'd never have to have this discussion in the first place! 8GB more ram is a minuscule cost for Apple compared to the cost of their computers. They are just trying to squeeze every last dollar out of people, plain and simple. Would many people be fine with 8gb ram on say, an M3 Macbook? Sure. But Apple could just as easily make that same computer 16gb which would probably cost them $10 TOPS to make it a 16gb machine and even sell it for the exact same price with minimal reduction to their margin. But then why would people upgrade? It's all about profits, and it's honestly kinda silly to try to defend them (or your own purchasing decisions) with this. How you spend your money is entirely up to you. Just because I choose not to buy macbooks doesn't mean I'd judge anyone else for doing so. Macbooks are entirely unique among computers for running MacOS, and I get it. Apple have simply decided to charge it's users a large tax if they want to continue to own Macs.

[@noklapanxd]

bro i have more than 6tb of ram, and doing simple stuff in a version of windows that only uses 512mb of memory doing nothig still takes 19.2gb to render, or gaming or do whatever you need, 8gb isn't enough, but 16gb on a 1800$ also isn't enough, min it need to come with 32gb of ram, and still not "enough"

[@mandadog2449]

1. Having 8gb faster its always 8gb 2. You are paying 1700€ for a pc with 8gb of ram 3.macbooks pro had 8gb sinsce 2010 4.swap memory is a thing of all os And should be used only at last resusce and not as a common function

[@xenotiic8356]

If the RAM upgrades weren't so insanely expensive, I wouldn't mind. The cost was always the issue, and you can't just "put that aside". I enjoy your videos but you gotta take the L

[@7A7z]

sry mate but 8GB of ram on a M3 mac cant even come close to 8GB of ram on a PC with a GPU because dedicated GPUs come with their own memory called vram hope u did ur research

[@BenLiuChungHin]

Funny how you stick an Nvidia logo for the GPU, yet your shitty Macs don't support GPU cards LOL..

[@MasticinaAkicta]

Apple putting standard only 8Gbyte of ram in UPSCALE COMPUTER HARDWARE and then UPSELLING more memory at over 10x the actual cost is a huge problem. 8Gbyte is simple not enough for the money you pay for it! That and 8Gbyte might be enough for a "light normal user" Yeah but creatives who use it to make art, edit videos, and so on... on the go. You know the market Apple is targeting. THOSE people??? Those know all to well that 8Gbyte is a joke! You can get windows laptops with 16Gbyte standard at that price level!

[@hassan7569]

Nice, a guy with no background in anything CS or hardware related, explaining how higher bandwidth ram somehow makes up for the lack of capacity??? This is apple shilling and riding on another level, nothing excuses them for having a laptop with 8GB of RAM on a 1800 dollar laptop, it's just pure greed. I don't even get why consumers defend this shit, YOU"RE THE ONES LOSING HERE

[@WolfiiDog13]

Even though it is enough for a lot of people, I think it's past time to make 16gb the base. Macs are way too expensive for that not be the case

[@norelfarjun3554]

So a few things, in any system the storage will be used as a replacement for the RAM in case there is no room for the information the processor needs at the moment, not only Apple and really not new. It takes forever in computer terms to retrieve information from storage compared to RAM, and that means a significant slowdown. And the fact that the same memory is used for both the processor and the graphics card doesn't exactly solve anything, it just means that there is less free RAM for the processor to use, because it shares it with other components. It doesn't sound like the creator of the video understands the field of computing.

[@vinart10]

Unified memory is not better than dedicated memory, specialy in this case that means that the graphics chip is using some of the alredy small 8gb avalible while many pcs have at least a few gb of g-ram meaning that the graphics chip card will not use any of the main ram. You made it sound like the ram is split between those things on windows laptops but in realety you have additional ram for the graphics

[@Thulebeez]

Yeah i am still holding on to my 2011 Macbook Air with the glowing Apple Logo.

[@one_step_sideways]

Leave it to Apple fanatics to be lifetime shills justifying their dystopian marketing strategies for free. You're doing this for freeeeeee. That's worse than being a jannie. You're actually just making one giant mess. A mess that we have to clean up ourselves with iFixit and Right to Repair bills.

[@TheMetalMag]

As a MAC user since 95, I can tell that I always maxed out my computers and sadly very disappointed Apple is solidering 8G you can't upgrade any longer. My mac mini has 8 G that isn't enough to browse the net!!!!!!!!!!! I keep killing windows and apps in my monitor window so the computer will work because when it stops I know I have to kill something. THis is the WORST thing that happened with the new tech. SInce it's for people who can afford it WE the little people can just F.. O and use the cheapest machine ahaha

[@porriz383]

bro you can't do shit with 8gb ram in 2024💀

[@diasstebanak]

i mean i can run Figma with over a thousand frames on 4gb ram

[@Techforlife280]

I play mudrunner while running discord while on a FaceTime or run blender or run any goddamn thing I want to on 8 gigs of ram on my m2 people are delusional when it comes to saying “oh u needa be careful and only use it for light work” to those people I say-shut the hell up😂

[@valdir7426]

@@Techforlife280 yeah people are completely brainwashed into "future proofing" when computers from 10 years ago are what you actually would need to do "light work"

[@williampaul7435]

I am more than happy using the 8GB Mac Air M2. I am only using it for Microsoft Office with 4-6 words + Excel with around 3 sheets, basic Figma design, Spotify running in the background at all time. It fits my needs and I never experienced any lag. My point is that, if you need a high powered spec, just get what suits you. Don't purposely get the 8GB if you know that you will work with application like Davinci or Premiere Pro and then complain. It's pretty obvious isn't it?

[@itsjuliescottyay]

I love my 8GB Mac Air M2. I have never had an issue.

[@Mr.JoSmithAnainMedina]

@@itsjuliescottyay me too, I do not know why many are complaining. I have been using 8GB and everything is so smooth

[@cosmoxp]

I keep coming back to these videos and they never dissapoint me, keep up the great work!

[@MouseQueen7220]

I think the storage isn't on the M2 but in a different place.

[@troyredway6427]

This aged poorly after Apple intelligence, i bet the 8gb macs start dropping support for stuff soon

[@trixer230]

I am really glad to see a bro who understands how a mac works! Keep at it man and ignore the haters that dont even own macs!

[@lieutenantpepper2734]

I have a 16 gb M1 and its throttling when I work

[@blockdor]

if you need more just buy a stick for $15 and pop it in. no need to buy it form apple

[@7A7z]

Also if u didnt know swap storage isnt a invention made by app it was around since windows vista

[@d0g3br34d]

Yeah 8 gigabytes might be enough for an APPLE computer, but not a $2000 gaming laptop

[@ShlokBeta]

i have 8GB of RAM Right now

[@itsjuliescottyay]

Me too, and my 8 GB MacBook Air works better than my expensive 16 GB Dell desktop.

[@mr_bear6362]

@@itsjuliescottyay RAM has minimal effect on system performance unless you don't have enough (or it's really slow), it's more about the other specs like the cpu, storage device, and gpu that dictate system speed and performance

[@gauravsinha6060]

No matter how fast the memory compression rate is compared to Windows, you can get any far with applications that require higher RAM usage and you are definitely going to suffer on a system with just 8 GB of RAM. Moreover, charging $200 extra for just 8GB of RAM is insane as RAMs are not as expensive as CPUs and GPUs.

[@valdir7426]

I have 8GB of ram; use ableton live and do heavy shit on it; never suffered from lack of memory. Also do editing with FCP without a glitch. I want people to do a real life test on a 8GB machine with task monitor open; do their most demanding tasks; and see if the pressure goes into red. If it does then they need more ram. I don't think I've ever seen it; and I have definitely never seen the computer choke.

[@adamjg4]

And then there's the topic of extreme multitasking where you have a multitude of open Apps, processing with RAM resource hogs (ie. Web browsers, video and other mutimedia apps), working on huge files all at once. I'm more then a little skeptical of this 8 GB RAM is enough rule.

[@valdir7426]

I've seen people having 100 tabs open in their browser; welll that's nuts; don't do that and then complain your computer has not enough ram, I probably have never more than 10.

[@eduardocunha_7]

wouldn't m1 pro be better than m2?

[@Vulturul333dfd-original]

On my MacBook Pro I have 16GB of Ram

[@quesostuff1009]

Anyone sayin the Ram is enough never has experienced RAM of 16 ,24 or 32 GB

[@notrottenapple]

I have a 32GB Mac Studio

[@quesostuff1009]

@@notrottenapple then you should already know 😁

[@notrottenapple]

@@quesostuff1009yup! I know that with regular use and basic editing, there is no real difference in real world performance. I use both devices on a daily basis, hence why I felt the need to make this video. hope this helps!

[@quesostuff1009]

@@notrottenapple I suppose I do have a strong bias as I program video games for a living and that 8GB will quickly become a horrid bottleneck if I try to run my editor and chrome at the same time But keeping it a bean 8GB for the price , without even being able to customize it later on is horrendous. I think that’s one of the main pain sources on this whole topic

[@jpedrothejo]

- said Rotten Apple

[@6creamyway993]

ngl I'd get a m2 mac with 16gb ram instead of m3 with 8

[@aasfi109]

i have 24 on my m2 air

[@NCB75]

Why is there not a app that boosts you ram

[@derkaiser9881]

If you're being serious you can overclock RAM in general. However, Apple's products don't have a comprehensive BIOS which would let you do that, and I haven't been able to find software to let you either.

[@viintageraj]

Good vid. Maybe make one on Mac vs iPad usability in the case of it being your main computer?

[@sly2792004]

its worse that it's unified. on pc gpu has its own separate ram from cpu. so if you doing something that would say need 6gb of gpu ram and 6 gb of cpu ram you won't have enough

[@BaseCatagain]

i do have 8GB of memory on my M2 macbook air. but for me its not bad

[@ilfoxyy]

how much did you pay for it

[@BaseCatagain]

​@@ilfoxyy it was £1599. because it was the 15inch, its the newest macbook air

[@ilfoxyy]

@BaseCatagain meh feels kinda like a scam, especially for that much money. When I upgraded my older lenovo laptop, buying 16 gb of ram (2 sticks of 8 gb ram) cost me 70€ (about 60£)

[@BaseCatagain]

@@ilfoxyy I was meant to have a mac mini which costed about 600 but decided to get macbook air. i forgot to say that when i bought this it was actually about 500 because it was on a different website. If i actualy bought it for a price like that i wouldnt really think of it being scam and also i used 3 laptops in my past and they keep breaking easily, the first one broke because it fell of a sofa, the next one broke because the hinge just broke, and the 3rd one couldnt run anything because it keeps getting hot. But when i got a mac for the first time it feels amazing so its worth it for me

[@hairypancake4425]

I’ve no problem 8GB on mini, Air & iMac but the Pro & Studio must be above 24GB

[@ferdinandtorggler]

Don't buy into the lie that 8GB on M chip is equivalent to 16GB on other systems, it's simply not true. Had a base M1 Air in 2020 and sold it after a few months because I always ran out of RAM for my workflow.

[@kerrydaniels8460]

He doesn't get it. It's like saying 2 houses is the exact same as owning 4 houses, because 3 families live in one of the two houses. No. Not how that works. You don't get to claim that. When you need more RAM compacity sharing the lesser RAM compacity does nothing to change that. Same guy bringing up a phone as if people use a phone for their intensive production workloads. ?

[@SamAlexandros]

can we just say that this channel is incredible? Those videos are high quality with good animation, you should really be more famous! Also love that shorts look like iOS while full videos like MacOS

[@RenzoMorini_857]

nah man, 8gb fills up pretty quickly with only a browser open nowadays, its the sad reality

[@valdir7426]

people will open a hundred tabs then complain that they don't have enough memory.

[@RenzoMorini_857]

@@valdir7426 you got a point there, I myself am guilty of opening too many tabs without noticing

[@YohanesCandrajaya]

it's not nearly enough for running docker for my programming tasks.

[@fourppounds]

No it isn't. It does seem to slow down. In fact it crashes and says out of memory.

[@jonp258]

I have a hand me down chromebook from 2019 and it only has 4gb of RAM 😭

[@Winver94]

Me After reading the title: "8Gb oF rAm iS eNoNgH LOL. dOsE hE kNoW hOw LiTtLe that is" Me after watching the vid: "I get it now"