Wizards of the Coast Made My Commander Deck Into a Secret Lair!

[@IAmRealNinja]

Maskwood Nexus does not work with the Go-Shintai. Shrine is an Enchantment subtype, not a creature subtype, so Changelings and Maskwood Nexus will not gain the Shrine type.

[@8thPlaceDave]

Ah yeah then it is a weird choice for a commander

[@MegaTrain]

@@8thPlaceDaveIt has to be the ability to return a “win” enchantment to play right before you untap.

[@plastefuchs666]

Maskwod Nexus is (the only?) way to win with Liliana's Contract, since there are no demons in the deck outside of the one changeling. That duo of cards feels like the worst wincon of the included ones, since you need both of those to survive the turn cycle, you cannot pull the Nexus from the 'yard with your commander and you need 4 different creatures on board.

[@eliutter]

i could be wrong but since Go-Shintai is a creature along with an enchantment wouldn't that mean that shrine is now added to the list of all creature subtypes since it has no other subtypes?

[@thermonuclearwizard]

@@eliutter no, go-shintai is just a typeless creature that's also a shrine enchantment. the same thing would happen if you had a normal, noncreature shrine out and played something like Opalescence to animate it.

[@plastefuchs666]

Including a life counter that only goes to 40 in a deck that wants to reach 50+ life to win feels rather cheap imo. :( All in all this really feels like a deck someone has been playing for a while and tuning for their table. Wanderer is simply a passable board wipe that allows you to keep an important piece around; Auriok Champion enables you to explode with life gain if someone on the table produces a mass of tokens and is also a good trickle of life; Mangara is good and steady card draw; Yahenni and Tireless Tracker fits into the counter theme; Path of Ancestry is one of the few 5 color lands around; etc etc There are probably a few cards that where swapped out for the print run, which might explain the inclusion of a fast land.

[@KAR1492]

It wouldn't be the first time WotC used an idea someone from the internet had and stole it for a secret lair, so I completely believe they could of lifted this idea from you.

[@Xalyn937]

Yours is better!

[@8thPlaceDave]

I agree ;)

[@LadyTsunade777]

I like the idea of having a "you win the game" tribal deck (and I love finally having the Nyx frame on _all_ enchantments) but there's several pain points I have with this secret lair: 1. There's only 16 cards with the text "you win the game" in the lair, they _really_ copped out on the rest of the "ways to win". There's 32 cards with "you win the game" that are legal in EDH (but two are impossible: Battle of Wits and Hedron Alignment), so this deck should've had at least 20, if not all 30. 2. Only _some_ of the "you win the game" cards have special new art, when it should've been that they _all_ got new art. (also, Sol Ring got new art here for some reason?) 3. The deck build leaves a lot to be desired. Several of the included "you win the game" cards are near impossible to meet with the precon out of the box, while there are a large number of other random goodstuff cards included that don't advance you towards _any_ of the win effects. They could've easily adjusted the decklist in a way to make it at least somewhat more cohesive. 4. Same with the mana base - Gates are obviously needed for Maze's End; but including the following lands: only one battlebond land, Brushland, Homeward Path, Overgrown Farmland, Razorverge Thicket, Wooded Bastion, Darksteel Citadel, Thornglint Bridge? Useless. Also no mana ramp other than two rocks and a couple "play lands from the top" creatures. And a nitpick about the cardboard life tracker: they could've easily made it have two dials: one for tens and one for ones, so it would go to 99 instead of just 40.

[@kylecabrera142]

I would say they didn't do garth because they would have to print an offical black loutus token or something. Because I think their's an internal rule now that precon products must have all the tokens the deck could produce and since they're litterally just cards not actual tokens it was just a safer bet to excluse him.

[@NickBurnham1]

The lifegain cards are in there for Felidar Sovereign and Test of Endurance. The +1/+1 counters cards like Yahenni are in there for Simic Ascendancy and Mayael's Aria. But yeah there're still lots of weird includes I'm planning on swapping out for sure. I like Garth as the commander! Will definitely consider swapping to that, just for the Brain Geyser alone.

[@shayneweyker]

I think the life gain is there to make keeping life total up to enable the life-based wincons and buy time to win with other wincons. The omission of consult + thoracle/lab man/jace is because it's way out of line with the overall power level of the deck. Such combos can make opponents salty (hat tip to Snail for pointing that out as a deck-building principle). I personally like Kaervek's Spite with Barren Glory on the stack. It's more mana efficient and has an additional line of Kaervek's Spite + Academy Rector in play .

[@skeetermaverick1793]

with my Storm force of nature deck, i used time warp 13 times with Triskidekaphile... that was a fun win!

[@kozad86]

Enduring Ideal should've been Idyllic Tutor instead, imho. The designer of the 20 Ways deck said that he'd play tested it for about a year before selecting it for a SLD. It's a mess, but I did buy it for parts for other decks + the art is cute.

[@jaypeadieL611]

@@kozad86 he probably played it once with no opponent then suggested the deck list to wizard and it took 1 year before the deck was used as a product.🤣

[@ebbandfloatzel]

I've actually had plenty of Maze's End wins in commander with my 5 color Mutate Deck. You just gotta be able to chuck lands into play. Mutate specifically has the big Dino that chucks permanents into play equal to mutate count.

[@crovax1375]

Reshape the Earth is great to play in an edh deck with Maze's End

[@zenphul6171]

how often does bio visionary win you the game?

[@grantmurdock7385]

I'm still slowly working out Garth One-Eye as a 'oops all wizards' kinda thing. I don't want to cast spells. I'm going to get all these wizards to do it for me.

[@LlyaTanVas]

Shrine is not a creature type so changeling doesn't let them interact with shrines.

[@PeteB90]

they should have used your deck as inspiration to fix the mess they made XD

[@LastMaster]

I thought the life counter was pretty but also a bit confused about it limited to 40. I ended up buying the deck to play with since I'm just getting back into MTG. I really love it and the artwork. I'm gunna look for your video about your deck to compare aswell. Also the handful of creatures that gain counters have really good synergy with Simic Ascendancy. In my very first game and use of the deck I almost won with Simic Ascendancy scaling off of Forgotten Ancient. It got upwards of 20 counters on it relatively quick and I had it equipped with Lightning Greaves. Never swung at anyone, just played a pacifist role with a huge wall. Ended up winning with a bit of luck and one player leaving the table early and got a promo pack from my LGS. 😊

[@RussischRap]

Pls keep using the solring you already have, it's my fav one 🌈❤️

[@andreww479]

I dont get it. How does this deck win if it doesnt have a Hashep Oasis?

[@disconsolator]

they should have reprinted black lotus for this deck

[@ztustsing]

So WotC doesn’t know shrines isn’t a creature type. I’m not surprised.

[@thetsubamehub2139]

Pretty sure it’s there for the Liliana’s contract alt win, not the shrine thing. But it’d be so funny if they just forgot how shrines work.

[@7Alberto7]

They 100% copy your deck Dave,i know it for sure! 😅 happy sunday!!!!

[@tcsmagicbox]

Did you get paid for it?

[@8thPlaceDave]

Lol no

[@josuelservin]

"...Wizards took my deck and made it into a secret lair, I'm not saying that's what happened" Mhhhh _reads title..._ Welll technically you only writed it... I still like the consistency of the theme on yours better, perhaps because I'm a sucker for "not very good decks" that are fun to play.

[@DrunkenPilotVideos]

I am so used to double sleeving now that I find it weird seeing people not doing it. Good video though

[@georgeerniej]

Is this real?

[@8thPlaceDave]

100%

[@kakoth]

No offence 1 min in you contradict your own title. You go from did copy MY deck to "I don't know." Theres little ambiguity in the title.

[@8thPlaceDave]

It makes people watch the video

[@thelunchlady8276]

Proof WOTC has your place bugged.

[@jeremiahchamberlain4179]

I wouldnt brag about it since most people found that 20 ways to win deck to be an absolutely terrible decklist.