Trymaine Lee, Nikole Hannah-Jones, and Michael Harriot in Conversation: On Reparations

[@YTLuc]

*Nikole Hannah-Jones:* 2:09 - Response #1 9:36 - Response #2 13:32 - Response #3 18:08 - Response #4 31:03 - Response #5 34:22 - Response #6 39:50 - Response #7

[@mrpearson1230]

She had the best most researched and fully educated answers on every important talking point! So incredibly well read!

[@GinaGreenlee]

Thank you so much for these NHJ time stamps. She's the one I came to hear. I like Michael's works and writing, subscribe to his podcast and bought his most recent book. I'm just simply in love with and in awe of NHJ's mind and spirit.

[@UZIMADanceFitness]

You're out here doing the Lord's work cus this is all Im here for. Thank you!

[@tracyclark7560]

when survivors of Tulsa Massacre were denied by courts answer is reparations. If can't be done, here, then must be done elsewhere.

[@kashmoney7421]

I have no idea what Michale Harriet is talking about with his issue to lineage based reparations. Almost all of the black immigrants in the country got here after the 60s.

[@Texasbelle-qk1ez]

@kashmoney7421 I believe he's Haitian american

[@michaelpcoffee]

@Texasbelle-qk1ez Aren't Haitians the aboriginal Israeli americans?/s

[@Texasbelle-qk1ez]

@michaelpcoffee I'm not Haitian and no.

[@kashmoney7421]

I'm loving what Nikole is saying but I am also a part of ADOS do all of this Yvette has said many times over.

[@mareerogers364]

She stole from Yvette!!!

[@mrpearson1230]

Doesn't matter who said it! She listens and reads from everyone who's educated on American History. Her book proves that. She said Sandy Darity (William Darity Jr.) several times in this interview. Smart people know to listen to other smart people. That's how one gains valuable knowledge.

[@sistahb5159]

​@@mrpearson1230So what you are saying is that it is perfectly okay for her to lift someone's talking points and intellectual property, not give Yvette Carnell and Antonio Moore co-founders of ADOS and present it as her own when she actually knew nothing? The same way with the 1619 Project which was lifted from the Angela Project.

[@habibahq4272]

@@sistahb5159it all depends WHO is being pushed forward and why they are chosen. I’m glad the message is being pushed but credit should be given. Einstein, Darwin, Newton get their credits and scientists name their findings after themselves. It’s not something to gloss over.

[@sistahb5159]

​@@habibahq4272It's obvious that certain people will always be pushed. Why? Because they are controlled opposition who will pretend to push for reparations, use ADOS' Yvette & Antonio's talking points while simultaneously calling them trash. She is intentionally blurring lines of who reparations should actually go to with her colleague. The objective is to obstruct reparations, be a willing tool who is compensated for their part in it. Shameful.

[@RedeemedRestored]

@30:58 What the esteemed brother is referring to, for example, the North Carolina State University's that were built from moneys that should have been equitably distributed but excluded African Americans. Thus necessitating the Morrill Land-Grant College Acts to be created and enforced to provide that equity. Creating black institutions such as North Carolina A&T that are supposed to be the equivalent of the N.C. States.

[@tedmitchell6496]

The British owe all of us, the French owe all of us, and the Dutch, Spanish, Portuguese governments owe all Black African people and each country that grew from hear owe they Black citizens, countrypeoole as well

[@2much4uok]

Big Facts!! Im glad you pointed it out!!

[@teacherb6090]

Yep; the so-called Blue Banana countries should all be paying reparations!

[@GinaGreenlee]

Great conversation. Strong moderator - knew when to come in and when to say silent. Good audience questions. An hour well spent. Thank you for uploading.

[@AffirmativeArtsOnTheRoad]

I LOVE Hanna Nicole Jones' opening in which she mentions BOTH slavery AND also the hundred years' racial apartheid. I always cringe when we talk only about slavery and never mention the hundred years of racial apartheid...those hundred years MATTER and MUST be mentioned, remembered, and compensated for!!! Also, it stops white supremacists from blabbering their ig'nant talking points about how slavery is SUPPOSEDLY...in THEIR little minds..."ancient history". An excellent discussion, THANK YOU!!!

[@martyreed5701]

As expected! Great conversation👏👏👏👏🔥

[@theblueprintccllc]

You can speak in this backwards and forwards they know they owe

[@simiancinema2022]

Nope.

[@rloy7304]

It has to be lineage based so that people cannot come in after the fact who were not involved in slavery, this ain’t about racism this is about SLAVERY in AMERICA!!!!!!! plus the Caribbean’s have CARACOM!!!!!!!!

[@hollywaz]

Some of the ridiculous arguments against reparations don't make sense. Black tax dollars were used to pay for reparations for Japanese internment at a time when they had no representation or rights. Black tax dollars were used to pay for the new deal even when the new deal dint benefit them at all. Black tax dollars were used to pay for the GI bill that they were not allowed to apply for!!!!!! look across the pond. The Germans paid reparations for the 2WW. They paid to France Netherlands Poland Britain and even America. Why is that different for black folks. Britain paid reparations to slave owners when it abolished slavery. what other example do you need.

[@kparks318]

These people have ALL the excuses in the world for NOT doing the right thing. The answer is simple, they don’t want to give black people anything. We were brought here to enrich THEM. Not amount of logical reasoning will work, because their hatred and dislike of us is illogical.

[@dmrwaallen9588]

TY for posting this invaluable infor

[@darylstephens8554]

@hollywaz to answer your question. It's a deep ceded hate for Blacks of American Chattel Slavery. It's been passed down to every generation, at breakfast, and the dinner table. You are to hate the descendants of American Chattel Slavery. Cause like you, I haven't heard an intelligent augment about why America hasn't paid for their evil conduct of slavery(246 years), apartheid(100 years), and now Mass Incarceration. The only conclusion is the government that Blacks have saved time and time again, just hate Black descendants of American Chattel Slavery.

[@tracyclark7560]

People don't want to be educated, but how do we make it entertaining, make it make money, make it make it make it--and label it reparation.

[@eg3186]

Great conversation ❤🖤💚

[@yeahthatguy810]

This was a great conversation, however Michael Harriott was hard to understand and tended to ramble a lot. I really did not appreciate him during this professional setting in conversation and he breaks out using the N-word that was so disrespectful to the entire audience regardless of the color of their skin.

[@bohemi2001]

I agree 100% with what the young lady said.

[@mamabear3217]

They both were actually very good and had great points

[@bohemi2001]

@@mamabear3217 They all had good points but the young lady touched on the subject of The Modern Monetary Theory which makes it clear that our government can print as much money as they want and will never go bankrupt.

[@toryjei9435]

It's Dr. Hannah Jones

[@sistahb5159]

Actually, ALL of NHJ talking points and intellectual material is lifted from Yvette Carnell and Antonio Moore, co-founders of ADOS. They are responsible for the modern-day reparations movement that put reparations in the mainstream media. She took the information yet presents it as her own and calls the people she took it from, trash. Think on that!

[@michaelpcoffee]

If you aren't out anything; You aren't owed anything.

[@KwestionEverything1]

What are you talking about? We are out of the truth? Everything, including religion, philosophy, mathematics, astronomy, and architecture in the Western civilization came from Africa. Yet the dominant society remixed Africa ideas claimed the credit. Just like in American in the 50 years after slavery, the descendants of slavery invented the rotary engine, lawn mower, horseshoe, elevator, refrigerator, cash register, fire extinguisher, traffic light, and many more just have the patents and profits stolen by Dominant society. Furthermore, the public schools funded in part by black people's tax dollars, and the schools do not teach the truth. Black people know what dominant society owes them. Black people are not stupid. So stop gaslighting us with your condescending comments. 🛬

[@michaelpcoffee]

@Truth2factsB1 'We' who? You owe money to a continent? If you say so. I certainly don't. You don't like public school curricula? Join the club; and homeschool.

[@KwestionEverything1]

@@michaelpcoffee Stop it. Everyone who is a US Federal and state Tax payer will pay for reparations and it will dispersed to the people who are descendants of slavery. You act like there is going to be a line on your paycheck that shows what you pay in reparations every time you compensated. If your family came after slavery you owe as well. Your family knew what they getting when they immigrated to this country plus if your purchase a house with lien you have to pay that lien. In comparison, slavery is the dominant society’s lien. Cut the check and quit gaslighting us with your nonsense. You don’t complain about the money going to Israel, Ukraine or the migrants. Dominant society only complains when it comes to black people. You just show how racist and lack of humanity that most of dominant society feels in private. My advice to you is to educate yourself on what this country did to black people since 1619. 🛬

[@darylstephens8554]

Michaelpcoffee America owes. You have a terrible history dealing with the lives of people who are the descendants of Chattel Slavery and apartheid. America wouldn't be America, without it's negro people. W.E.B Dubois.

[@p_black3219]

Loved the dialog, conversation and minor debate. Points to highlight: 1. ADOS is a real thing and I believe that their approach to get us REPARATIONS should be used by others as a template to get theirs. 2. Race will always be the main component when addressing REPARATIONS because it's the "go to" in this payout 3. We know who made wealth from slavery. I get the US government's role as it relates to policy. But, the NYSE, Cottonelle, ship builders, insurance companies, banks (Bank of America), etc. 4. 100 years from now? I'm gone for sure, but I hope as an owed group of people that this wouldn't be a topic.

[@bohemi2001]

GA has a budget surplus of over a trillion dollars. Educating everyone about what happened. That means educating parents who must educate their children. We have started this process but we need to double down and go balls out and literally “Go Tell it on the Mountain “

[@quantumblackness2.0]

the fact that y’all couldn’t go the entire segment without someone on the panel saying American descendants of slavery is really telling. where is the panel w Yvette Carnell and Antonio Moore?!

[@19blondie93]

They are too polarizing and don't even think most ados deserve it.

[@readalongjapanese]

@@19blondie93 The polarizing idea of lineage-based reparations of YC and AM that the 'journalist' NHJ can co-opt and present as her own to cash in?

[@51isALL]

#ADOS TONE and YVETTE

[@tracyclark7560]

Projects like: Going on a Lion Hunt by Tracy Clark are milk toast, milder, introduction to social studies.

[@michaelpcoffee]

For real reparations: they identify an actual victim of the offense in question. They specify the abuses and damages. They assign a dollar amount for their compensation. They pay the victim. If the victim is deceased; they identify the closest living legal heir and pay them. What is the name of the victim that you are trying to collect the unpaid reparations for?

[@bohemi2001]

Repugnicons fought against the COVID stimulus but did not turn it away.

[@tracyclark7560]

This girl is fantastic

[@bohemi2001]

I want the money my ancestors worked hard for. I come from a long line of hard working people. So, six figures is not too much to demand.

[@bohemi2001]

Wealth(or the lack thereof) determines health. People literally don’t have $35/$45, to see their doctor.

[@onlinesavant]

Need 218 votes in the House, and 50+1 votes in the Senate, to pass legislation. We can do this in November people. A House Speaker Hakeem Jeffries will get it passed out the House, and a Vice President Kamala Harris will be the if necessary, tie breaking vote in the Senate, to pass HR 40, and President Joe Biden has already said he will sign a reparations examinations committee being formed legislation into law. Let's do this in November. I predict we will. The time has arrived.

[@GinaGreenlee]

38:07 to 39:37 Great point Michael. That's THE point.

[@tracyclark7560]

you go girl! Excellent answer NHJ

[@sistahb5159]

NHJ has gotten all of her talking points and intellectual material from Yvette Carnell and Antonio Moore, co-founders of ADOS, yet refuses to give them credit, insults them and calls them trash. This is who you are complimenting.

[@mareerogers364]

Stop perpetrating. Stop grifting. I'm 80 yrs old and know you didnt start this movement. People that should be on that stage are missing!!!

[@tracyclark7560]

Once America signs on, everyone else will follow.

[@BabaOlaitan]

I completely agree with all of the economic arguments, and reparations must also include social and cultural reparations. Our people have been stripped of our unique social cultural autonomy and aspirations through the centuries long attempt to dehumanize our very existence. Even after enslavement Jim Crow was designed to enforce subhuman status to Black people in the economic and political interest of White America.

[@mamabear3217]

Thank you to everyone this will happen so like the young man stated be prepared for sabatoge because our cycle has come but when dynamics do change let us not be in the same mindset... even in politics and especially in economics

[@tracyclark7560]

add real estate stolen from Blacks, add court system institutional racism denial (we will get in line, and submit our briefs) Tracy Clark versus BCTA 2009 PHRC 2011, add educational reform/judicial system reform, get it on the books as asset liabilities... it can be done.

[@journeyman378]

Nicole Hannah Jones sounds like she been listening to @Yvette Carnell!

[@sistahb5159]

She has. NHJ has literally stolen ALL of Yvette Carnell's talking points. Before ADOS NHJ was talking about education. After ADOS showed up, NHJ was on Twitter asking people for books 📚 on reparations. She didn't have a clue. But now she's an expert??? 🤔🙄

[@mrpearson1230]

She listens and reads from everyone who's educated on American History. Her book proves that. She said Sandy Darity (William Darity Jr.) several times in this interview. Smart people know to listen to other smart people. That's how one gains information.

[@journeyman378]

@mrpearson1230 she has moved beyond just talking about history. Tone and Yvette made the current environment where we are not talking about flar blackness but we are distinguishing our lineage from American slavery from black emmagrants.

[@sistahb5159]

​@@mrpearson1230No, NHJ has gone from asking people on X to suggest books on reparations because she knew nothing about it (she was writing on education) to parroting Yvette Carnell and Antonio Moore verbatim without giving them credit and then insulting them and calling ADOS trash. The true experts that brought reparations into the mainstream media that has everybody using their work have been demonized and pushed to the side. She's made a deal with the White power structure to go around making speeches, make a lot of money using ADOS talking points and intellectual property, but to stop just short of fighting for real ADOS reparations. She's controlled opposition. She also co-opted the "Angela Project" to write ✍️ the 1619 Project. Lifting people's work never ends with her.

[@LordAbbaNyhiem]

She's been listening to Nyhiem, Josh, Ali and Ibrahim of BTP. We sent her that Freedmen info

[@bohemi2001]

(MMT) Modern Monetary Theory is where the money would come from. African descendants is where it should go. I would also add that financial education should be in the mix

[@tracyclark7560]

fight the courts, fight in court

[@loveoverhate1357]

🖤🙏🏿

[@juliancoleman7529]

No intentions on creating a movement

[@sistahb5159]

Where is Yvette Carnell and Antonio Moore, co-founders of ADOS who started the modern-day reparations US 🇺🇲 movement and whom these folks have stolen ALL their talking points and presenting them as their own??? 🤔

[@sknmwms6516]

Not true NCORBRA has been around since GARVEY!

[@sistahb5159]

I said modern-day reparations movement. NCOBRA hasn't moved reparations an inch. They have spent far more energy, along with these White funded new organizations to fight ADOS. Don't kid yourself.

[@TC-uj6jc]

They are plants funded by right wing organizations and governments.

[@mrpearson1230]

They aren't presenting anything "as their own". She quoted Sandy Darity several times. She was asked questions and answered from the best information she's gathered. How do you gain knowledge? From reading and listening to those who might know more than you do. Not just the people you agree with.

[@sistahb5159]

​@@mrpearson1230Again, NHJ has lifted ALL of Yvette Carnell and Antonio Moore, co-founders of ADOS talking points and intellectual material, much of it verbatim, presented it as her own without giving them any credit, then insulting them and calling ADOS trash.

[@siriuslyspeaking9720]

Reparations must come from the Federal government. It was responsible for ending slavery nationwide, and it had the responsibility at that time, to insure the enslaved received justice for their hardship. Beside that, it becomes too complicated for local, state, and national reparations to be given. The only way that would work easier, is if reparations were awarded in the form of cash payments only. There still might exist the possibility of people double and triple dipping of reparations. It would take a huge bureaucracy to oversee the distribution of reparations. Reparations in themselves would be expensive enough. We need not make it more costly, than it naturally is. It is also an investment, or should be seen as such, especially by us. It will mean less money in the national budget for the normal things our tax dollars pay for. The country and that means us also, should get a return on the investment, but who can guarantee that? We obviously have the most power to determine that, but what other ways can we produce more funding, for all that the country needs funding. Those needs are only getting larger, with the increasing destruction caused by storms and other natural disasters, and we are only just beginning to rebuild the infrastructure. Pandemics are costly, not to mention wars. What are we thinking. Why do we act so contrary to what/who we claim to be as a specie? With all that cost, why do we need wars against foreign enemies, and what already equates to a civil war among ourselves, especially a war among Black people? This is where a peace dividend makes all the sense, in the world. With all the religious beliefs and woke idealism, neither has asked the people of the U.S. to give ourselves a 'domestic peace-dividend'. The best way to defund anything, is to make it largely not needed. What could be funded, with all the money spent on just insurance cost of all kinds?

[@darylstephens8554]

Siriuslyspeaking9720 stop making excuses for something that should have been done at the end of the Civil War. When they were giving slaveowners money for their property. They were also giving away property to European immigrants' land for free. Please, there is no augment against reparations for Black people. When America wants to do something, they do it. For instance, in the pandemic, 400 million Americans receive checks, and the country didn't go broke. Some millionaires and billionaires received that money. Stop making excuses and let's move on.

[@johnstewart7025]

I did some rough figuring on the value of 40 acres using Iowa farmland today. I got half a trillion dollars. They are talking about closing the wealth gap between black and white households.

[@jinnylinn9542]

I believe there should be Reparations and not with only money. There many servers for starting up businesses, education, should be free.

[@UCMICU]

They already have minority loans and school grants.

[@Turley-kp8ex]

I think I love Nicole but she made a misstep when she said that paying your debts won’t solve a lot of racial issues. I think that once you are ridden of your debtors, you can engage in more equal and more equitable conversation and so reparations will provide a lot of relief to racism, but it will not end it

[@sistahb5159]

NHJ is there to actually fight ADOS reparations.

[@mrpearson1230]

Reparations won't solve racism. Racism isn't individualistic, it's systemic. Racism is in how education is taught, how laws are implemented, who's targeted and wrongly convicted by law enforcers, who's elected into high government positions, etc. Racism is a structure, not an event. "When a racial groups collective prejudice is backed by the power of legal authority and constitutional control, it is transformed into racism." Robin Diangelo book called "White Fragility" explained it perfectly!

[@siriuslyspeaking9720]

The text info that accompanies this ask the question - can we ever be full citizens without reparations? What kind of question is that? We have long been saying we are not treated as full citizens, besides many say reparations are to make us "whole" as in whole human being. If they don't mean that, then they surely talk about reparations repairing us. Do you as an individual feel so less that you feel you need considerable fixing? Most people directly involved in this push for reparations, have done well without reparations, and isn't the same true for most of us? So, what is reparations really supposed to accomplish? Can it be said to do any more than to pay the compensation, that our ancestors did not receive because of being enslaved?

[@antonionalesnik1991]

Will Sunny hostin pay reparations?

[@antonionalesnik1991]

10:25 GFY

[@kipwonder2233]

This woman is sexy AF 🤩

[@mareerogers364]

NHJ overcompensates.

[@antonionalesnik1991]

They haven't got one object-oriented person.

[@KwestionEverything1]

How about this for an objective? The US Federal Government owes the descendants 50 trillion for crimes, land theft, and sexual violence on the slaves. The state government owes 35 trillion for the same crimes, and Hollywood owes 15 trillion for how they portrayed black in entertainment since the Birth of a Nation. Descendants should not have to pay taxes for the next 500 years. Formally apologize and teach the true history of the world. Make DC a state. Reestablish the Freedman's Bureau to protect the descendants from crimes by the dominant society (law enforcement) and then leave us alone. Let us determine our fate like the Indigenous Americans are left alone on their lands. 🛬

[@kparks318]

Why are you here?

[@antonionalesnik1991]

@@kparks318 why not? I'm a very concerned American

[@michaelpcoffee]

Claiming victimhood for what happened to other people is disgraceful. Ascribing guilt to people who had nothing to do with the offense is atrocious.

[@kparks318]

Your response is hilarious! White people constantly whining, crying white tears about something not being fair….. Wow! No, what’s atrocious is your sense of entitlement.

[@gerrysharpe1958]

Old ignorant argument intended to distract. Thieves and their inherited lineage gained wealth and institutional access that is unearned. Start from scratch like others then you might understand victimhood.

[@Texasbelle-qk1ez]

@michaelpcoffee RACIST PLEASE. We have parents and grandparents who lived through state and federal sponsored terrorism known as Jim crow

[@michaelpcoffee]

@Texasbelle-qk1ez RACIST; PLEASE; Just being related to a victim does not make you a victim. Just sharing the race of a victim does not make you a victim. 'We' who? How many people do you think you are?

[@Texasbelle-qk1ez]

@michaelpcoffee BITCH OUR PARENTS AND GRANDPARENTS ARE STILL LIVING. OL OBSESSED ASS

[@antonionalesnik1991]

What about the black tribes that sold their people into slavery?

[@kparks318]

What about them?? I assume your question is to lessen or excuse the harm caused by the white people who enslaved, beat, maimed, tortured and killed blacks at will for the sake of profit, greed and a need to ‘feel’ superior…

[@darylstephens8554]

@antonionalesnik4706 nobody practiced chattel slavery like America. Slavery is as old as the world. But, only one country told the world that all men are created equal... and We the people.. Those Black tribes, as you say, didn't lie to the world. They were kings and Queens. Also, force by white European countries to participate in the Transatlantic Slave Trade. You always put the blame on others. Nobody practiced slavery like America. You had a chance to make it right after 750,000 men died in the Civil War. But, what does America do? They go back to apartheid for Black Americans for 100 years. America doesn't have an excuse for their evil treatment of one race of people. Check this out while you're trying to make your nonsense augment. AMERICA ALLOW THE NATIVE AMERICANS TO PRACTICE SLAVERY, AS THEY WERE ON THE TRIAL OF TEARS.🤔 America has a sick relationship with its most loyal citizens.

[@sknmwms6516]

Go where you know EUROPE BENEFITED ANY WAY YOU CUT IT!

[@antonionalesnik1991]

@sknmwms6516 I don't get your point? Africa benefited from slavery, Rome, India, and Egypt. There's still 50 million people in slavery today! In 2024.

[@darylstephens8554]

@antonionalesnik4706 stay on subject. This conversation isn't about the world and slavery. It's about a country that practiced Chattel Slavery under the umbrella of freedom for all. How do you hold FREEDOM AND OPPRESSION in your head at the same time? America, to this day, has no problem with that, even NOW. You told the world, ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL... AND WE THE PEOPLE... Please make that make sense. Remember, no other country proclaimed to the world those words or statements. So stop referencing the world for America's wrongdoing. We must take blame for what our country did to human beings for 355 years(slavery and apartheid or Jim Crow). STOP BLAMING OTHERS!! A DEBT IS OWED BY AMERICA TO BLACK DESCENDANTS OF CHATTEL SLAVERY AND APARTHEID, JIM CROW. Period!!!

[@simiancinema2022]

Thank God these people have been blocked from doing all this stupid shit.