Scenario Brief [Airfield Sabotage] M16A1 vs. L1A1 + Trilux SUIT 4x scope (Pick One Ep.4)

[@9HoleReviews]

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[@charliehotelromeo284]

The l1a1 over the gen 1 m16

[@CloudZ1116]

Does this mean we're getting a scoped FAL to 800 Practical Accuracy video soon?

[@turkeyhamman4111]

I asked him about a dmr style fal reminiscent of the irish fal, he said they had this exact config coming in for a practical accuracy course. So yes.

[@supakritpulmanausahakul1650]

@@turkeyhamman4111 nice

[@ErikLosLobos]

With the quality marksmanship on display not sure a scope will make that much difference?!?!

[@turkeyhamman4111]

@@ErikLosLobos it makes great greater

[@turkeyhamman4111]

@@chase7354 😐 ok? Assuming that i didn't read the title? Or that the main commenter didn't make the same horrible mistake?

[@jackjmaheriii]

You’ve got a team, bring both! Give the L1A1 to whoever’s best at shooting movers, and give the other 4 guys M16’s. Also, pray that the bad guys don’t have a helicopter.

[@violet8254]

Best response I've seen so far, 100% agree if it's an option

[@callmecamo2]

Beat me to it. 👏

[@karas3248]

@Robert Sears I think you are underestimating the mist and rain which greatly reduces visibility and overestimating the lack of optics and training of argentinain military

[@FromMyBrain]

Yeah, not gonna lie, having one SVD dude is not unprecidented. Might even have a ww2 flashback and give all the m16 guys 1-2 l1a1 mags to carry. To a later point, I mean there is no stand and fight obligation here. You are either running to the extract or running distraction on overwatch. You are dug in on an elevated position they are gonna have to take that hill not plink at 800 yards. Or try to plink at you from 800 yards while you are bugging out for extract and if they did that that makes it all the more possible to actually get out. I mean there is a notion that your own standoff is maximised it would be better but your a recon element maxed out with other gear and so you arent going to win a standoff fight with a company charging after you. Just an airsofter talking though.

[@capt5656]

@Robert Sears If you've let the Argentinians fight you at 800m, you're getting kicked out of SF if you live. Your team has complete initiative, and the fight will likely happen at night, even if you don't get early NV equipment. Speed, surprise and local fire superiority all matter way more than 800m point shooting. Which, by the way, I doubt the Argentinian troops will be pulling off in the best of conditions. Only if your position is bumped would the range of the FAL start to outweigh the M16, but if your position is getting bumped, it won't be by people at range.

[@thesuit4820]

Henry is odly threatening in an armchair, should definitley be a bond villain.

[@PavewayJDAM]

@Def Bet All he needs is a cat on his lap.

[@PostBellumARG]

As an argie, anny FAL variant is all you need. That's why we are still using it after literally almost 70 years... (plz help, we are literally too poor to buy anything else)

[@johndaugherty4127]

What happened to all of the nazi gold they brought? Spent up, already!? Jk bro.

[@Facu_-ji9yc]

@@johndaugherty4127 Nope, got stolen by corrupt politician

Kirtchners been naughty I see...

[@brandonschwertley2723]

Blink in Morse Code if you are being forced to make these statements

[@PostBellumARG]

@@johndaugherty4127 went to politicians pockets, like most money we made, make, and probably will make in the future

[@gangstar8652]

My bests mates dad led one of the patrols or attack parties that led the Pebble Island raid Major Tomas James Touché Turtle 🐢. British SAS. I’d take the m16/A1 same as the other SF lads that night. Almost all regular infantry carried the SLR unless they'd taken a full automatic FAL of a dead Argie. His lad, my best mate died suddenly from drug overdose on 22/11/2020 with Thomas Gareth’s father dying of cancer on 29/12/2020. Miss you both guys.

[@Almosteasyese]

RIP to your mate and his dad , my condolences ❤✊

[@goforbroke4428]

Gang Star may they be together in happy times!

[@gangstar8652]

@@goforbroke4428 Why thankyou very much that's very kind. Cheers fella. I miss him dearly, he was an awesome kid and his old mans a legend here in Hereford. Thanks.

[@gangstar8652]

@@Almosteasyese Than you Snow dude. Only just seen your notification so thanks. Very kind of you friend cheers now.

[@gangstar8652]

@Ban this youtube I'm sorry to hear that too. I'm lost mate, Gareth was my best pal and I know people say it but he was a one off, an awesome lad. Really didn't deserve what happened and I feel guilty for not being there for him. Thanks man. Don't take your pals for granted everyone as you'll miss them when they're gone believe me. Cheers though dude and hope your mans got his head back in the game.

[@scoe5908]

Mentioning Royal Marines as you show Paras made me chuckle.

[@dazhobson1489]

Thats offensive to both of Britain's elite forces🤣

[@9HoleReviews]

I really should have mentioned RM after the video of the maroon beret!

[@johndaugherty4127]

'Murica!

[@darrenbrashaw8409]

@@dazhobson1489 Yep, about 30 years ago I once ended up sitting between members of each in the back of an aircraft, the would speek to me but not each other lol

[@MarkJYule]

And it was HMS "HermEEz" 🤣

[@9HoleReviews]

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[@xxxlonewolf49]

Stay dry he says...I'm literally on lunch break from snow/rain shotgun range at Ft Leonard Wood... LOL

[@soonerfrac4611]

Been there, done that, twice. Alpha 787 way back in January ‘01, and again in February of ‘10 for the civilian police academy.

[@soonerfrac4611]

Ounces equal pounds, pounds equals pain. You can carry more ammo for the 5.55, but let’s be honest, 5.56 is piss poor at long range. And few things in the Falklands are inside the 300m engagement range that the cartridge is designed for. Providing over watch from 1,000m would become problematic at best. The FAL is the primary weapon of both opposing forces, meaning if you need to top off or do a battlefield pickup it’s best to do already have a compatible system than have to rely on a snatching an enemy weapon.

[@eporaivai3878]

test the new imbel weapons if possible, this ia2 weapon family features a cold forged barrel of various lengths and in 2 calibers, the 5.56 and the 7.62

[@ketchman8299]

L1a1 with scope. Target acquisition and ease of engaging at distance keeping the enemy out of effective return fire range. And since the idea is to NOT get in a firefight, the ability to make the scope do double duty as spotting scope is a plus.

[@harryspeakup8452]

This. Plus if you do get into any serious use of ammunition you can probably pick it up from your former opponents who also have FALs

[@Seelenschmiede]

You are on a recon mission, you have binoculars on you anyway.

[@roberto125919]

in the rain?

[@ketchman8299]

@@roberto125919 Yes, in the rain. Just like hunting in the rain. Exactly, like hunting in the rain.

[@tobyman360]

Plus the consideration that the enemy all has FALs which is a pretty rare matchup historically. (m16 equipped warfighters usually face opponents primarily armed with AK variants) You could quite easily get into protracted firefight, with these numerically superior opponents that can out range you. Only being able to punch back with 5.56 in windy conditions, on the open terrain of the airfield creates a real danger of being overmatched.

[@romantylutki2310]

SLR, because of a few reasons. I think having the optic is a game changer - while yes, the weight adds up, it’s temporary, because as time goes on, some of the equipment will get dropped/used. Reality is that in the Falkland landscape, an optic is a force multiplier.

[@PavewayJDAM]

But you have optics to OP their airfield with. Probably spotting scopes and/or high end large Binos.

[@rayne2714]

@@PavewayJDAM you cant use those to engage the enemy with

[@affy3298]

My napkin math rounded up the nearest .5 to make things easier: L1A1 (unloaded) is ~9 pounds + 160 rounds of 7.62 NATO (25.4g-ish) at ~9 pounds = ~18 pounds of weight M16A1 (unloaded) roughly ~6.5 pounds + 240 rounds of 5.56 (12.3g-ish) at ~6.5 pounds = ~13 pounds of weight So, if pick the M16A1* you receive about 50% more ammo for about 38% less weight. 5 pounds difference of weight is anything but negligible for a patrol that will potentially last up to 3 days. BUT -- and this is a major caveat -- you miss the 4x optic. Optic, optic, optic. I'm not familiar with early 80's optics I imagine they were not great, but serviceable. I think that optic is a major force multiplier for what contact you do get into. Ideally "our" 5 man element is not in anything that could even be remotely described as sustained combat in an area where a company sized element of hostiles exists. I think that 4x optic is going to provide more value in getting in and out alive than 3 more mags of ammo. Although the FAL system being significantly heavier makes my argument a lot harder. I predict Bloke picks the L1A1 for superior British marksmanship, Josh the M16A1 for familiarity, and Henry the M16A1 because he's a lazy American who doesn't want to haul the weight because he loves his knees too much. Edited: M16 not M4 :D

[@johndaugherty4127]

Its an m16a1, not m4a1?

[@affy3298]

@@johndaugherty4127 Good find it was a typo! The weight is correct afaik not that the m4 is too far off.

[@johnneill5960]

You win the Internet today . There's a reason why most modern Army's went to smaller cartridge INCLUDING THE BRITISH who also went to the .556 from the 762x51 . You can carry more ammo is definitely part of the equation! Like I said the M-16 is also a more accurate weapon than the FAL and that HI-LuX scope is a pile of hot garbage at best . M-16 in a no brainer .

[@aubrey_d]

How much do you think the weight of the projectile would matter with the wind? SS109, at 62 gr was adopted around '80, and it seems like the L1A1 would be using L2A2 Ball, at 144 gr. Day time you can probably call your shots better, but at night, if there's high winds, with irons. I don't know, the L1A1 looks like a pretty good choice to me, with the illuminated SUIT and heavier ammo.

[@georgesmith5708]

@@johnneill5960 the Trilux was a very good optic at that time, if not the best in it's class. And ...... you may have a lot of ammo but if you do not control your trigger finger and aim (like most soldiers do) you'll waist it in half the time without hitting a single enemy. Trilux will be a precious asset in spotting the enemy too, especially with low light and in the open distance (you are a recon party, don't forget It) as it is tritium illuminated too.

[@malachimeeker9480]

Sounded like the Tactical Rifleman intro!

[@jamesloucks8972]

Yrah

[@mrs.vasquezz]

9hole has used that as an outro for a few years

[@sithticklefingers7255]

Without the mouthbreathing. And without the 372nd guy to say he’s a navy seal telling me what to use for home defense because he went outside the wire once with “THIS setup!”

[@johnqpublic2718]

I'm pretty sure it is the same, it's just a "stock" radio chatter audio file.

[@sd09gfh8sfgjmsf9yhkm]

Lol that guys a chode.

[@MellowFellowOfYellow]

Optics are one of the biggest force multipliers in modern combat. It's gotta be the L1A1 on this

[@a.t.2023]

SLR with the 4x scope, hands down.

[@calholli]

I'd rather have the big dog.. or g3.. or AR10-- If I was alone. Because I would want to stay far away from everyone. In a crew like that, I would want us to have a mix of both rifles.

[@andrewgates9333]

SLR. Headwinds! If only worried about infantry...m16.

[@dbmail545]

Wow! I didn't expect to choose the M16A1 over the L1A1 but the difference in ammo load outs might make the difference between getting extracted or not.

[@guntotingnerd8830]

But you could resupply from the enemy with the L1A1 as they used FALs as well

[@mikepowers4960]

This^

[@mikepowers4960]

@Tickerel My Pickerel you have to make it there first the m16 and load out is pounds lighter. I would love the 7.62 option and the optics are a game changer, but there’s a reason almost all modern military’s carry firearms chambered in 5.56 and it’s not because of the effectiveness of the round.

[@bishopsteiner7134]

@Tickerel My Pickerel unless you need to penetrate even light vehicle bodies then your m16 is largely spitting in the wind. If all you have to worry about is bullets on meat sub 600m, sure take the M-16. Any chance you need a shot beyond 600 or against something thicker than meat? 7.62 comes in MIGHTY handy.

[@guntotingnerd8830]

@Tickerel My Pickerel A Shit Sherlock called, First name No? jokes aside yeah but the possibility of resupply Is worth the trade off in ammo, and besides if I need to Exfil I am dropping my pack and anything that isn't necessary so weight becomes less of an issue. But in an assualt on the arifield supported by infantry I would be part of the logistics train, not part of the problem.

[@SuspiciousGanymede]

Heavy winds, flat land, potential low elevation enemy aircraft. I will pick the L1a1 for optic/increased distance/ increased barrier penetration against aircraft. You can always ditch the scope of it doesn't work out.

[@thomassimpson6901]

Normally I am big on 5.56 but today I choose the L1A1, because the 4x optic lets you shoot more accurately and more importantly at your target. Good luck spotting your enemy in that terrain without any magnification.

[@Trancefreakeh]

Since you're a recon team, I believe you'd also have binoculars. Now, shooting... that's another story :)

[@roberto125919]

At night time?

[@vector4632]

@@Trancefreakeh The description stated that apart from food, ammo and survival kit, you only have grenades, and your team is carrying only the explosives for the sabotage. So theoretically, you have no binos available.

[@johndaugherty4127]

@@vector4632 actually he said they are NOT carrying the explosives. They will be brought by the insertion team via helicopter.

[@Trancefreakeh]

@@vector4632 Oh. Well. Good point, Sir.

[@PltOffPPrune]

On the Falklands I'd want 7.62 and an optic any day of the week.

[@marcusblemmings8484]

having been trained on both weapons i always favoured the SLR it was extremely reliable and robust and could cope with cold wet conditions. in fairness the SLR and M16 were both great weapons and have stood the test of time, big fan of the channel.

[@SuperSneakySniper]

M16. Lighter. More ammo. Easier to shoot accurately. Im familiar with it. If fighting breaks out, the goal isn't to beat back a larger force (which would likely end in dramatic failure), rather, it is to hold them off as long as possible. Ammo quantity is far more important than stopping power in this case. Especially at night, when spotting an individual enemy to shoot at with a scoped battle rifle is going to be hard to do, even with an illuminated reticle. Plus the scope is not light.

[@rodiculous9464]

Nop, magnification is king. Simple as.

[@miletello1]

Agreed....you're a recon team. You can carry about 2.5X more 5.56 vs 7.62. When compromised as a small unit, you want to appear to be a much larger force while breaking contact. Which means above average ammo expenditure. The 7.62 gun will not benefit the recon mission because the objective isn't direct action, nor would it benefit a compromised team as previously stated.

[@johnstacy7902]

@@rodiculous9464 I'm guessing you never were in the military

[@rodiculous9464]

@@johnstacy7902 oh gosh here comes the boomer, go look at what every modern military is running (hint, it's not irons), even SWAT and PDs run magnification for target ID, sorry you're just behind the times

[@mrs.vasquezz]

If theres enough winds to kill a chopper, 5.56 is gonna be useless

[@Garbid]

Scoped Fal. 1. It has scope!))) it's open space especially airports. Better to have scope for midle range. 2. Caliber. If during operation you will not be able to get close at least you can try to damage planes with rifles.

[@boarwilde8805]

The L1A1 because as a passionate wild boar hunter i experienced that practically every optical sight is better than even the Idea of using iron sight at night

[@Front-Toward-Enemy]

Ive experienced otherwise. Many magnified optics preform poorly at night yeah you can sometimes see through the optic but you can’t see the reticle

[@nobsherc]

@@Front-Toward-Enemy that's an illuminated tritium optic

[@Front-Toward-Enemy]

@@nobsherc great now you have an optic which you can see the reticle but not the target. id still rather have more ammunition.

[@kernmw10]

@@Front-Toward-Enemy more ammunition and a lighter loadout.

[@crazytwospoons]

As the M16 is lighter, it would have to be that for a recce/standing petrol. Not too worried about the loss of hitting power as not planning on getting found. Also if the poo hits the fan, the ranges will be close enough for the 5.56mm to be effective.

[@MorningGI0ry]

Obligatory Option 3: Time travel to the first battle of the Falklands and convince Sturdee or von Spee to relentlessly shell and mine any areas on the island where an airfield could be set up in the future. This option elegantly prevents this scenario and also prevents the need for the Vulcan raid against the Port Stanley Airport.

[@skepticalbadger]

I love this. I badly need a time travel military series.

[@Foxtrop13]

the vulcan raid was useless

[@AdministrativeResults]

Tough one. Think I’ll go SLR for this one.

[@toddh6541]

5 men aren't going to take out an entire company of soldiers. When you dig in your best bet would be suppressive fire. Smaller cartridges means you can pack more with the m16. Since this mission is mainly observational the goal is not to engage unsupported, the lighter more compact weapon with greater ammo reserves gets my vote. M16a1

[@TheNapalmFTW]

As a brit living in the US, I love your British/HK slant to your videos sometimes. Thanks mate.

[@superxgaming3983]

its funny this video was posted today because i just bought a l1a1 imbel yesterday

[@mrs.vasquezz]

Stimmy winner

[@nathanswensen1183]

I've been wanting one of those since I lived in Brazil for two years. What does an IMBEL FAL run these days?

[@suzettespencer]

I bought a Belgian FAL last week myself. Paratrooper model

[@superxgaming3983]

@@mrs.vasquezz actually traded for mine

[@superxgaming3983]

@@nathanswensen1183 best place to look is gunbroker

[@timoanez4668]

Both weapons are great choices, in my opinion is the guy behind the weapon, how good is he.

[@Anax89]

Well, they're SAS...

[@bker5376]

@@Anax89 Best of the best.

[@mtyemti]

Fal as a Designated Marksman Rifle and M16A1 as the high volume standard battle rifle.

[@ATH_Berkshire]

SLR. If you position is discovered the SLR with optic gives you a far better chance of hitting a vital bit of a parked aircraft. A hit on the engine or gearbox of a turboprop is going to put the aircraft out of service for quite a long time. Your main mission is to ground the aircraft, the SLR gives you an extra emergency way to do it.

[@kernmw10]

It's flat terrain. Easy to PID a target. Don't forget you have a 6 mile hump to get to the OP. All that extra weight is burdensome. Pounds are pain. Not to mention if you're a recon team you will already have binoculars or spotting scopes to actually do the recon and observation. If shit hits the fan then you'll want to have more ammo to cover an exfil and less weight to move quicker and longer. Remember, you're an SAS recon patrol. You can easily hit targets with iron sights on flat terrain out to 500m. You've trained for this.

[@billmische]

Given the terrain - the SLR. It's open ground so take advantage of the increased engagement range.

[@ETuss713]

But high winds and driving rain....so there goes some of the advantage

[@wisewhiterabbit]

Plus, if you make the choice, you have a better chance at disabling the planes at a distance 😉

[@mrs.vasquezz]

@@ETuss713 that same weather will render the m16 to a 150m weapon lmao

[@franknbeanz147]

@@mrs.vasquezz He has to know that he means trying to do shooting from a distance is useless you'll have to be close either way

[@ETuss713]

@@mrs.vasquezz no it does not. If you look at the ballistics, within 300m the rounds will be similarly impacted. With high winds and driving rain, you will have poor visibility for any longer range shooting. Additionally, you are there to observe primarily.

[@Robert53area]

This I a simple choice now, your mission is to observe and report, the weapon doesn't matter, take the fal, because it has the 4 power scope. You can do recon with the scope. Your job is not to get into a firefight, but to observe and report. The advantage of the 4 power scope

[@Taytayflan]

You can also do recon with the binoculars everyone in that team is going to have, since it's a recon op.

[@aloyalspacemarine5761]

M16 The scavenging ammo thing isn’t really something you’re going to accomplish if your four man team gets engaged you’re probably going to be booking it for exfill instead of wasting time lingering to collect ammo of of dead soldiers since it’s 4 against company strength with the potential for enemy close air support

[@bavarianpotato]

Also, if everything goes to total shit and you're in a situation to pick up 7.62 from dead argentinians, you can also pick up an FAL and drop your M16. It's an unlikely scenario, but even then, the M16 really isn't at any substantial disadvantage.

[@Dhari1]

The SAS was known to often prefer the M16 (I know Henry didn't mention that). But what the SAS carried in that situation is pretty important since you're supposed to link up with them. Ammo and magazines which can be shared is ideal in that situation.

[@davejackson2190]

Having owned that L1A1 combination many years ago in the UK ( pre Hungerford ) I'd still go for it today over the M16.

[@paladynwiecznegostazuzkraj75]

I choose M16. Even tho FAL is an amazing rifle. I believe that in this situation when you are not main force and when you are carring so much weight M16 is a better choice

[@AYoutubeAccountName]

Looking on google earth, there appears to be a fair amount of small bushes and ditches near the airfield that would allow attackers to close the distance. Given the amount of gear that needs to be carried and the potential for drawn out fights I would go for the m16a1 for the lighter load of cartridges. It seems unlikely that an engagement would be on your terms so the range advantage afforded by magnified optics is not certain to help you where the controllability of the m16 would

[@RMAGEDN740]

As you said, the terrain is relatively flat, therefore, I'm thinking most engagements would be at moderate ranges. I'm going with the SLR. It has better ranged ability with it's 7.62 nato rounds, and it has a scope for precision.

[@jakelilevjen9766]

Great premise! I love the format, as it forces us to think about the practical pros and cons of each weapon system. In the end, I think I would choose the M16A1. 1) The primary mission is observation, not engagement. If all goes as planned, not a shot will be fired. Weight becomes a big consideration when it is possible this piece of equipment may never even be used. 2) Knowing that no mission ever goes as planned, I have to assess the usefulness of the weapon system in the given situation. The role of the unit, should they be discovered and forced to fight, is purely defensive in nature, and relies upon their ability to keep fighting as long as possible. In this situation, I am making a judgement call that more bullets is better. My boys can pack more 5.56 rounds than 7.62. Plus, the rifle+scope adds considerable weight over the M16A1. That weight could be converted to even more rounds. 3) The high winds of the area make a higher muzzle velocity more advantageous, as wind will have less time to act on the bullet as it flies, which I am hoping will improve my hit percentages. That being said, I am still a bit concerned that the open terrain will favor the Argentinians, as they will have a range advantage with their 7.62 rifles.

[@kt.2879]

Im going w the L1A1. Flat terrain and the ability to shoot farther w less wind effect especially with windy conditions of open terrain. By more time for qrf to get there or extraction. More weight to carry but it would payoff if discovered by the Argentinians. M16s w 55 grn ammo and a 1-12 twist were not long range effective and that round was not stable in any wind.

[@nfreeman98]

Like others said you have a team bring both. Since this is a one or the other choice I would lean to the L1A1 with scope. Figuring these tier 1 guys are expert marksman they could be lethal and suppress with greater efficiency and at greater distance with the larger caliber. Especially since you stated weather conditions are high winds. The 5.56 has a serious disadvantage at distance in those conditions.

[@SmallHandsBigBite]

⚠️Paragraph(s) ahead: You've been warned ⚠️ So since you guys hinted at this scenario after the last one ended, I said "L1A1 with Trilux of course, I'm holding mine as I watched this." However since then I also picked up a similar AR as to what is being offered here - Essentially an M16 A2 clone. After handling and shooting them both and messing with the manual of arms for them both, I have to say that the infiltration would make me biased towards the M16A1, but due to the weather conditions and geographical nature of the operation I would feel far more comfortable, once on the ground, with my L1A1 which I am far better versed in. I suspect these guys would've been trained on the L1A1 as well and for much longer than the AR. I can also take my Trilux off relatively easy if weather conditions make it unusable. The weight between the two isn't anything to scoff at either. With my Trilux on my Aussie L1A1, it weighs 11.8lbs loaded with 178gr, no sling. The AR is about 8-8.5 depending on mag and ammo. I assure you, that IS a substantial difference if you're lugging that around and shooting off hand. Alternatively, in this scenario I find the 7.62 Nato cartidge more dependable in finding my target through this rain and high winds. Thin cover/concealment won't stand a chance. I don't know how long the operation can last and I don't know how it will go, better take my trusty "Daisy". The Trilux optic is a nice convenience at night especially with its illuminated post, for sure, but who knows If i can actually use it effectively with all the good English weather, even during the day. Nice that it's removeable, then. Also, at least I know that my new Argentine neighbors have ammo for me if the opportunity arises.

[@TheAutoxgalant72]

I'm as comfortable with my Imbel as I am with my A1 clone, so using either isn't really my consideration. You hit the nail on the head for what makes my decision. The Argentinian's use metric FAL's and captured ammo and mags which run fine in the L1A1 making ammunition supply much less of a concern.

[@spidermann5000]

Could you use the mags of the argentine FALs? Google says they were belgien = metric FAL while the british ones were inch pattern FAL meaning you could not swap mags. Also the ammo would require zeroing in order to make good use of the sight. If the range of the 7.62 come into play you are doomed anyway coz you would be outnumbered. They could supress you and use the number advantage. If I can dictate when and were the battle starts i'd take the M16 with more ammo for less weight. Also these guys were SF and I doubt they had a lack of training with the M16. I'm just a day dream commando tho and day dream commandos need it warm and cozy making the M16 an even better pick coz i could bring more dry socks and still save weight ;) But I'm really glad I dont have to spend 3+ days in the wet cold, kill people and get shot at.

[@TheAutoxgalant72]

@@spidermann5000 you are absolutely wrong, the metric mags have a smaller lug than the inch pattern, so metric fits in an inch pattern, but not vice versa. If you trim the lug down you can get an inch mag into a metric reciever, which is why I have .308 Bren mags for my Brazilian Imbel made FAL. The British commando's at that time would have used the L1A1 as their primary rifles. In fact it's been reported that British soldiers had switched from the L1A1 and picked up FMAP's since the metric rifles had a full auto setting. Also, look at the terrain of the Falklands, it's very open, very flat, and very windy, one of the few places I'd think 7.62 Nato has a distinct advantage. On top of the mission being based around breaking things, which 7.62 Nato does better than 5.56.

[@spidermann5000]

​@@TheAutoxgalant72 Terrainwise I'd say yes the 7.62 is more suited here but if you fight in the open against a stronger force you're lost. The SF should dictate where and when to fight and if they start at 400m in the open at daytime, coz i doubt you gonna hit much at night with that scope and gun at night. I think close range in the dark is were the SF would shine and then the high volume of fire from a M16 makes more sense. Better maneuverability, faster follow up shots, 30 rnd mags. The punch of the 7.62 is all the L1A1 has to offer and if you really really need one there should be plenty lying around. As for breaking things: these plains do not look like particulare hard targets, doubt they would resist smal arms fire very well and for the weight saved on the L1A1 you could just bring more grenades... anyhow thanks for the lecture of FAL mags, i thought they would be incompatible in both ways. Another thing learned. :D

[@countryboyguns]

Given that my primary role, as defined by the briefing, is observation vs assault, I would choose the M16. Though there are many contingencies, and the 308 has an optic, I would choose the lighter, more choose quarters rifle due to the increased ammo capacity, the mission I'm assigned, and the already cumbersome load of gear and supplies I'm already going to have to carry. Aside from the choices and the arguments between the options, I love these videos and I get super excited every time I see a new pick one video in my feed. Please keep these coming because they're so much fun!

[@albertmeltser1658]

The primary mission is to infiltrate & observe. I'd go with lighter rifle, & a binocular.

[@LeminskiTankscor]

This was my answer. Lighter rifle and better optics to see. Ideally you don't shoot anyone.

[@joshuawoodward9276]

L1A1- it may be heavy, but being able to scavenge ammo if you need some from the opposition is a huge benefit, the SUIT gives the bonus of magnified engagement distances and spotting ability, and finally the 7.62x51 of the time has better range than contemporary 5.56 (assuming the M16 is a 1/12” twist rate)

[@bgh203]

I think as the team SGT I would take the M16A1 as well as two of my teammates. The three remaining would then get the scoped SLRs. If possible, I would also have one of the SLR guys trade for an M-60 belt fed too but that is outside of the scope of this video.

[@PavewayJDAM]

did SAS use M60's?

[@bgh203]

@@PavewayJDAM I'm actually not 100% sure. To me it seems to be reasonable if they can get their hands on M16s, the can get an M60.

[@alexandermagnus82]

@@PavewayJDAM Id say they probably used FN MAGs, not sure if they had fielded the Minimi as well yet.

[@darrenbrashaw8409]

@@PavewayJDAM M60 was used by the RAF on choppers, belt fed would have been L7/8 Jimpy which could also mount the SUIT. As you have came by Kelper the most likley mg would be L4 BREN which can also use SLR mags, but this is an SAS OP, if you are discovered it will be VERY close, most likley sorted by a Fairbairn Sykes or a quick burst from an M16. By the time anyone at the airstrip works out what has happened you will be well away.

[@c.j.1089]

As an avid M16 shooter and owner, I would probably choose the SLR in this situation. The primary reason would be the likely ranges I would be engaging enemies at. The Falkland islands had nearly zero cover except for occasional rocks and rolling hills. The engagement distances were extreme (300-1500meters). I would rather be in a situation where I was carrying less ammunition but had the ability of effective fire. The added benefit of more ammunition with 5.56mm doesn't outweigh the lack of ballistic effectiveness at longer ranges. The optic would be an additional benefit, but the ballistics of the 7.62x51 cartridge would be the primary driver for that choice.

[@LigerNoir]

M16. If I have to shoot my rifle, I'm in deep $#!* Plus, I'm carrying all that equipment and ammo. My back hurts just thinking about it.

[@mrs.vasquezz]

That 5.56 ammo outweighs the SLR tho

[@LigerNoir]

@@mrs.vasquezz The SLR has 160 Rounds + steel magazines. Looking at over 5.5 Kilos in ammo/mags plus the over 4.5 Kilos in the rifle and optic. That's 22+ LBS of rifle and ammo. The M16 has 240 rounds around .35 Kilos per magazine for 20 rounders giving you around 4.2 Kilos and a rifle weighing under 3 Kilos. That's around 15.5+/- LBS of rifle and ammo AND you have full auto to suppress the enemy advance if things go ^!^$ up. Your mission is not to fight. It's to observe. I want to carry less weight. And if I NEED to, I want to spit hot lead and disengage as fast as possible. The M16 does that. The Semi-Auto L1A1 does not.

[@mrs.vasquezz]

@@LigerNoir who said steel mags?

[@LigerNoir]

@@mrs.vasquezz Standard issue L1A1 magazines are steel. The L1A1 alone weighs more then the Ammo + Mags for the M16.

[@mrs.vasquezz]

@@LigerNoir lift waits

[@lucasgomez3283]

The SLR's 7.62 NATO is definitely gonna help with the engagement distance and the winds that the Falkland island environment provides, that being said with all the weight that they're carrying they would have to go light on ammo. I think the best choice is to give the radio operator an M16 and the rest SLRs.

[@Szalami]

SLR - out of pure, unconditional love towards my raifu.

[@terrygatewood340]

High winds flat range small team , I think you have to keep your larger enemy a bay until help , 762

[@vinni40k]

M16 hands down, I'm a FAL fanboy but for this scenario the reduced weight for both rifle and ammo is the winning aspect.

[@fourthhorseman4531]

I like the extended reach of the L1A1 which might give the team the ability to hold off the enemy at longer ranges should the OP be discovered. However, if it turns into a protracted fight to hold that position then having more ammunition, which would be the case with the M-16's 5.56 NATO, would be of great benefit. I'm going to go with the L1A1 and scope because these are SAS who I expect to be excellent marksmen. The scope will be a huge force multiplier for them vs. their enemy who will be using iron sights only and the SAS men are disciplined and will not waste ammunition. Further, when the team links up with the main assault force they will be able to share ammunition. L1A1 for this mission.

[@londonjolly9174]

There's the optics advantage and the fact you'll be doing overwatch for part of the mission, both in favor of the SLR. However, the M16 wins on almost every other measure....Considering two of the three extracts are weight acceptable (obviously kayaks and helis can't lift infinite weight, but you get what I'm saying), I'd take the SLR simply for it's more mission-prudent use.

[@tedhodge4830]

One clear example where M16 does not win - wind.

[@londonjolly9174]

@@tedhodge4830 That's true, .308 at range still bucks wind and light cover

[@davidkatz1503]

I can see the advantage of the M16 being a lighter platform, but I feel that the magnified optic on the L1A1 is a significant advantage in this situation, less for fighting, but more for surveillance, to be able to identify enemies from longer range and avoid detection, also having more general knowledge of the situation using your magnified optic.

[@Robin6512]

both. mix it. remember. it is open flat and very windy terrain. for longer shots you need the l1a1.

[@chadpyle7375]

L1A1 All day long! I'm a huge proponent of the M16/M4 but considering the relatively open terrain, distances to targets, .308 round, etc. I'd lean heavily towards the FAL / L1A1 even if it did not have a scope. That 4x Trilux, while not an "ideal" optic choice, is icing on the cake. Ideally, (you) and one other guy would have scoped FAL's and serve as SDM's with the other 3 providing cover / suppressive fire as needed. Cool scenario!

[@calholli]

I'd rather have the big dog.. or g3.. or AR10-- If I was alone. Because I would want to stay far away from everyone. In a crew like that, I would want us to have a mix of both rifles.

[@blaynemcguire7573]

L1A1 for 2 reasons. Scoped for recon can potentially mean leaving a dedicated recon scope off the gear list balancing some of the weight issues. Also the high winds mean that at 250-300+ the 7.62 will be less effected by wind drift compared to the 5.56. It's not a huge difference but in a game where inches matter I'm taking any advantage I can get.

[@andrestimmermanis7346]

The mission is an observation mission, where the only engagement will be a defensive one if discovered. I’m assuming the main force has the materiel to blow the planes and ammo etc. With flat, clear terrain, stand off suppression capacity becomes important. The blustery conditions added to this means the L1A1 has to be in the kit.

[@USAFraimius]

Tough one! I'd probably go with the M-16 for weight and ammo considerations. (Allowing a pair of binoculars for the same weight). Since it is a recon missions with a small team, lightweight weapons for faster movement and self-defense make sense. If expecting to bring the fight to someone else, I'd favor 7.62 and optics.

[@adamevans1989]

SLR, as the Argies also used the FAL and ammo can be scavenged from them

[@rodiculous9464]

Very good point and theirs were full auto too if I recall, you could mount the scope on it and use it as an squad automatic weapon somewhat (preferably with a bipod)

[@Cube210]

"scavaging ammo"

[@pangroszek3498]

It is beter idea to have a ful auto gun an a twice as much ammo when you are pinned down. Than trying to scavage some ammo. If you will be able to do so you can always trow M16 and take FN FAL

[@Deltaworks23]

@@rodiculous9464 You're not going to capture an enemy's rifle, mount your scope on it and expect to hit anything without zeroing. PUBG =/= real life.

[@patrickgjorven7832]

It could also mask your rifle if they sound the same as the enemy's.

[@Tito_Viera]

I almost can feel the torment on my foots by thinking on marching with all these weight and a sturdy leather pair of combat boots.

[@KnifeCursed]

M-16A1. The lighter weight would be more beneficial hiking in and more ammunition on hand if things went wrong. You’re already going to have observation gear in this scenario so the little 4 power optic on a heavier rifle with heavier ammunition would be more of a hindrance than an asset.

[@edmundscycles1]

Great in theory but this is the Falklands. High wind , flat landscape means that the Argentinian 7.62 FAL will engage you before the 5.56 will be in effective fire range . As soon as you factor in the high wind in the south Atlantic that 5.56 effective range is even less as the drift would be substantial with such a light round . While the 7.62 is heavier to carry with less rounds it has greater chance of reaching the target , with the 4x scope you can compensate better for drift and see more precisely where your rounds are going .

[@tsuchinokoz5036]

This past month I’ve got my hands on a Colt SP1 and a full size DSA FAL. ironically, I had traded a century FAL with trilux for the SP1. I was so excited to see the trilux and went to snatch it up an hours drive late at night. I love the PSL, Dragunov type scope so this looked cool. Maybe it was just me but it seemed rather hard to use at a variety of ranges. However it is extremely quick detach.

[@twdog8106]

The FAL would have to be my choice for this one. With the flat terrain, and ranges I’m working at, the extra legs on the 7.62 NATO will pay dividends. Plus the optic would make surveillance significantly easier. The extra weight and lower round count is a drawback, but I think the benefits outweigh the cost. Plus if the absolute worst case scenario occurs, I feel the 7.62 may give me a (admittedly slim) chance against an enemy aircraft.

[@matthewconnor4939]

For recon the SLR scope makes sense as the magnification makes target ID so much easier. Same when engagements if things go wrong. It's far easier to us a scope at night instead of irons.

[@petesheppard1709]

I'll go with the L1A1 due to open terrain. While the overall load looks heavy, the team will be in a relatively static position. If exfil is necessary, most of it can be ditched, so ammo load isn't such a factor. Besides, there's commonality with Argentine forces.

[@chzzyg2698]

I hate going against ol' trusty, but I'm gonna have to say the L1A1 because of high winds, the force multiplier scope, and large swathes of open land. I know the weight sucks, but sometimes you have to be honest and say it's what you've been training to do.

[@vector4632]

Since we'll be commanding a Recon Mission that is pretty akin to a Ghost Recon: Wildlands mission (You, your small group of friends and God), I want to be VEERY deliberate with movements and pushes to the objective. Because *You're NOT alone* , I will take the Weight Penalty of the FAL with the 4x and use it as a Scouting tool to inform my partners, and a Battle Rifle in case everything goes to shit. And so, in this Pick One episode, I pick the FAL with the 4x Trilux.

[@ph5832]

The terrain favors the 7.62 round and as a worse case scenario the 7.62 may be able to damage the aircraft if the assault force is intercepted.

[@Seelenschmiede]

Being on a recon mission, I bet you have binoculars at you anyways. So there is no need for a x4 for scouting.

[@roberto125919]

LOL your like an office worker no one cares about your opinion.

[@vector4632]

@@Seelenschmiede The description stated that beyond the ammunition, survival kit and food, you only have Hand Grenades, and the rest of the team is carrying the explosives. I never carried a military survival kit, but I don't think a pair of Binos are included.

[@tommyblackwell3760]

@@vector4632 For a recon/surveillance mission they'd have at least one pair of binos, and very likely a spotting scope as well, but neither would help if compromised.

[@nadams01_65]

I would much prefer the SLR almost solely because the optic would make identifying enemy troops much easier.

[@john88benson]

I assume as a SAS member the majority of the sergeant's experience is with the L1A1 or do they conduct an extensive amount of work with the M16? IIRC Falklands is wide open territory, is the Trilux a good optic that can take advantage of that? The Argentinians are equipped with domestically produced FALs, does the L1A1 have a similar report, ie would be harder for them to distinguish your fire from theirs? Are Argentinian FAL magazines interchangeable with the L1A1?

[@9HoleReviews]

The SAS widely fielded M16's (technically i should have stated that they were Canadian Diemaco), and all British service members would have extensive experience on the SLR / L1A1. Argentinian FAL magazines would feed in an L1A1, but the mags wobble a little more. (L1A1 mags don't fit in the Argy FAL, however)

[@humanoidwolf]

@@9HoleReviews very awesome content and I will continue to support you guys

[@warmonger82]

@@9HoleReviews Nope, back then (early 1980's) all UK M16's were made by Colt's. These were mostly model 604's (and a few very early 602's) without the forward assist.

[@9HoleReviews]

@@warmonger82 i stand corrected, thanks!

[@amjones123]

@@9HoleReviews I don't think Diemaco had started building ARs then, they were known colloquially as the armalite up to the selection of the Canadian ones in the 90s. I presume they'd be colt ones either from the initial batch or bought later.

[@padre2275]

Back in the 70's while cross training with the British Royal Marine Commandos, we swapped gear and rations quite a lot. The Brits were always more than happy to tote our M-16's and let us lug around their L1A1's. Although the M-16 fires a much smaller bullet (5.56mm) versus the 7.62mm cartridge, the weight difference was always a big factor when a lot of ground had to be covered and your ruck sack was already stuffed with your own body weight in extra gear. The L1A1 is a good battle rifle for sure, but I remain loyal to my M-16.

[@scottwarner2146]

optics suck in driving rain and I'm lazy so the lighter M16 gets my vote

[@leosaur_4012]

Well I'm far from an expert but I'd have to pick the M16. Light weight with a cartridge that performs relatively well in high winds (at least within 300 meters) and more versatile. Though that optic would be nice for the open terrain.

[@modernrambo2]

L1a1, wider open area. Take advantage of the harder hitting round and the longer engagement range.

[@Niklas.K95]

You are planning for the event of a failure

[@modernrambo2]

@@Niklas.K95 What do you mean. The scope can assist in target acquisition and recon.

[@Niklas.K95]

@@modernrambo2 only if you are expected to shoot it at longer ranges. The mission itself plans on going in with reinforcements and at 200m maximum. In 90% of the time less weight will be important.

[@ZeusHands]

I’d take the M16a1 if somebody on the team is carrying the l1a1 (designated marksman type role) This was a cool video! Keep these coming 🤙🏻

[@shawnpappy1538]

L1A1 with the 4X. Flat, open terrain seems more suited to the 7.62. With the enemy using the same caliber re-supply may be a little easier.

[@tylerplayswithfire3284]

I feel like given the distance and the mission at least one person with a .308 and an optic would be very beneficial. Being able to reach out further bump the wind better and identify in bad weather would out weigh the draw backs on one man having less ammo.

[@buliwyf3236]

I will always take a reliable .308 over 5.56! Weight be damned!

[@A8vscRrabbit]

Damn. That is a tough one.....ammo vs optic. Damn the compromise....As much 556 as i can possibly carry...then another 100rds & As much beef jerky as i can stuff in pockets.....

[@Hellvoisin]

L1A1, I like a fat one ounce in a while

[@stackscustominc1]

The fal no question, the terrain of the Falkland Islands lends itself to being a much better option then adding an optic just compounds it. An 800m shot is a highly probable possibility if discovered

[@julianframe6683]

I'm a brit L1A1 👍😃🖖

[@Aarnessable]

Realistically as element leader I'm going to be carrying extra maps, spotting scopes, and comms. I'm taking an M16, I can be relatively accurate out to 350-500 m, plus carry double the amount of ammunition as an SLR. No optic is a big loss. However, it's not like I wouldn't have binoculars and a spotting scope so I can still PID and see the enemy, then direct area affect fire even without perfect sight picture. This gives the added benefit that when we link up for the assault I'm not running in to relieve CQB distances with a fixed 4x optic on my rifle.

[@andrewjohnston4127]

@ 0:30 sorry where? Never heard of it 😁

[@Niklas.K95]

"Alsace-Lorraine? Never heard of hear." *-angry Bismarck noises-*

[@richardcunhacomedy]

I am really looking forward to the live! However, Bloke has extensive training and experience with the SLR, his choice is super obvious :D I hope he surprises us tho.

[@Scott079]

M16A1 between being significantly lighter and being able to carry more ammo I’ll take it all day

[@Blackhawck50]

M16a1. Quicker at close range (During airfield raid) due to lower recoil & weight. More ammo if you need to dig in allowing greater duration of fire over the L1a1.

[@alfe1402]

The weapon you use depends on your position and task inside your team. Tell me what you do, I tell you what to use.

[@skepticalbadger]

A live discussion with Mr Burns? Eeeeeeexcellent...

[@GreenBeretUSA]

Was this the raid on pebble island airfield?

[@rosshanley8398]

Well spotted. I also immediately recognised it as the Pebble Island raid. History shows us that they went in with the M16A1’s, some fitted with M203’s, and the mission was regarded as a complete success with 1 killed and 1 wounded.

[@kensin7244]

@@rosshanley8398 They assault team also went in carrying 3 mortar bombs each and 200 rounds of linked for the GPMG's for the support/'heavy' weapons part of the assault force ;-D

[@rosshanley8398]

@@kensin7244 correct. BTW I was mistaken when I said 1 was killed. There was 1 wounded on the assault team and one killed among the 150 defenders.

[@chasecross6063]

Easy pick: I take the SLR. Reasons: 1) Terrain is flat and we'll be operating an OP which means engaging targets at distance, and the .308's mass will help offset the wind 2) Since rescue may be delayed by weather in case of compromise, the SLR has ammo commonality with Argentinian weapons, so we could resupply off downed enemies if need be, plus nearby soldiers hearing gunfire won't automatically assume the shooters are hostiles 3) Weight is less of a factor since we're operating from a static position 4) The optic will be a huge force multiplier at the likely engagement ranges, since most hostiles are conscripts operating with iron sights

[@jordanbuck2332]

L1a1 it's better at long range with the 762 NATO

[@Cube210]

You've never used one have you?

[@kylebrennan5081]

L1A1 Yes it's heavier but that cartridge and optic gives you a better tactical advantage. You can shoot further easier against the high winds. It could potentially take less bullets to kill the enemy. The optic allows you to observe more easily which would aid in giving an accurate adrac. As well as giving yourself better correction for affect on targets. Yes it's heavy, but I know it's the better choice.

[@faltadememoria]

My choice is fight for the Argentine army with a "Fabricaciones Militares FAL" .

[@philipcave4303]

I've fired many rifles and I love the m.16 but the SLR will always be my weapon of chioce, a beautiful rifle.

[@supaflyho24]

I would need the magnification over this kind of range, so SLR for me. I feel like SAS would go M16A1 cause it suits the main objective of getting in, blowing shit up, and getting out better than the SLR imo.

[@bennettmay9283]

For this specific mission I personally think the .30 cal battle rifle with a 4x optic would be a much more effective choice than the 5.56 M16a1 with iron sights. The soldiers with their L1A1s would be able to reach out and touch the enemy from much farther away, which would allow them to remain hidden in cover longer (the main thing keeping them alive). Also the 7.62 ammo would do much more damage to the Argentine aircraft than the 5.56 if they decided to engage those targets.

[@mpeugeot]

It's the L1A1 without a doubt. True, I won't be able to carry as much ammo if I am hauling full kit, but that assumes that I must carry all other supplies, when there are opportunities to secure supplies once on the ground either by force or other creative means of acquisition. The M16 lacks the necessary punch and you are expected to be provided overwatch.

[@thomaseccles627]

This is hard. As soon as I pick one, another advantage for the other comes up. A really tough decision, would probably issue the best shot with the SLR and everyone else with the M16, he could make use of the optic and so would be firing less, meaning ammo compatibility with the rest of the group wouldn't matter as much.