Ubiquiti Just Killed 4 Products with the Cloud Gateway MAX!

[@InsideWire]

Do you think Ubiquiti have killed off any other items?

[@kmhphotoman]

They haven't killed the other products off, they are still available and suit different use cases.

[@johnheller2311]

@@kmhphotoman for the minimal price difference, they may as well kill them off.

[@AquariumThoughts]

@@kmhphotoman But everyone needs the latest and greatest and MUST future proof even though by the time they will be ready for the future they'll probably be loooking to replace what they bought today. Personally, I'm yeeeeeeears away from needing anything more than 1gig of speed due to offerings and price of offerings. I don't see that changing anytime soon.

[@zorzyk1981]

No way. Cisco opfsense Linux do it better.

[@andriod3000]

@@zorzyk1981 as someone unfamilar with ciscos lineup whats their comparable?

[@ryanhelder]

First video I've seen that dives into the specifics of the NVMe drive, i.e. showing that it is a standard, swappable NVMe and not proprietary! Love to see it!!

[@InsideWire]

Glad you liked it!

[@peterstasinaki642]

@@InsideWireCan you do some NVMe swap out tests? Try swapping in a 4tb drive as well.

[@dr.oliebol]

Bit is still doesn't answer if the no storage option has the same type of "drive" caddy or one without any mounting holes. Assume it does since this is the same with other items from Unifi but until this isn't verified I am not ordering it. Also would like this box with 4TB.

[@peterstasinaki642]

@@dr.oliebol When you click on the no drive option the storage description changes to “Selectable NVMe SSD storage up to 2 TB for NVR”. To me this means it has the nvme caddy with no nvme installed.

[@lm4122]

don't worry Ub already have some product to kill cloud gateway max for sure, ubiquity is like "this is our new product and its no longer avaliable because its already sold out" meanwhile has already 2 or 3 another products in line to be totally sold out ready.

[@NatesRandomVideo]

Own one. The missing piece in their lineup is an 8 port 2.5Gbit layer 3 switch in the Lite series.

[@AquariumThoughts]

I don't think the CG-Max kills off as much as you think it does. Speaking in terms of US $, then the CG-ultra is $70 cheaper which for a number of people will perfectly be fine. There's still a market that doesn't worry/need to worry too much about future proofing and would rather have that $70 to spend on something like a POE switch. Yes, it would be nice to future proof, but for me I don't need to go beyond 1gig and if you use IPS/IDS, then you are only gaining a half gig. Moreso if you only need the device to be a router. The Cloud Key still has a market for those that need more storage which if you are running Protect with video recording, you will need. The UDR and Express are nice if you need an AP included with it if you didn't want to pay another $100 at minimum. Though I see the UDR being the odd man going by the waste side, but does still give you more ports than the Express. I think too many people are thinking that everyone has the same needs as they do and have lots of money in their wallet to spend it on things that don't suit them. That being said, I would have loved to look at the Max when I was replacing my UDM, but the Ultra suits my needs 100% and allowed me to keep $70 or more likely $200 because I probably would have wanted to upgrade the storage higher even though I didn't need it. It would have been nice, but I wouldn't really need what the Max offers and when it comes to the future I'll probably be looking to replace the Ultra when I get to the point of need more than 1 gig speeds.

[@NoOperation32]

I came here to say this. And the gateway lite and max are always going to be used by it service providers and techies that need something strictly centrally managed

[@vono360]

just bought an ultra. Everything is 1 Gb at this site, and I have a UNVR there with 16TB of space. Max literally would have been a complete waste of money. Definitely does not kill off these other products.

[@unicodefox]

Also, this one is a UOSC. The UXG-Lite/Max are pure gateways. UOSCs are nice in the sense it's all in one box and managed for you, but people might prefer the added control & security offered by a SHC, and don't need Protect, Talk or Access.

[@wimmooij1236]

There is indeed a segment for each gateway / cloudkey. All these subtly different devices in my view require a more clear communication about the upcoming product range. This would help existing clients to make informed decisions on product upgrades or replacements.

[@jonhoare446]

Swapped this in for my USG. Moved the Unifi site to it from my Cloud Key and now the Cloud Key runs Protect only and this runs the Unifi OS. Low-cost bit of kit, and very straightforward upgrade path. The only reason I did it was to set up a permanent privacy VPN connection which you cannot do on the USG.

[@NoOperation32]

@@jonhoare446 with storage in the UCG Max, and ability to run protect, why keep the cloud key at all anymore?

[@jonhoare446]

@@NoOperation32 Because I misread the title. I have the Ultra. No storage, no protect... Oops...

[@wimmooij1236]

@@NoOperation32Due to the release schedule. Also bought the CG ultra when it came out. Should’ve waited.

[@mikesitservices]

I use my ckg2+ as a multi site unifi network host as my cloud gateway ultra doesnt support that feature but is now my gateway with multi wan. Yes, this is a multi app do it all box. It was more economical to stick with my previously owned cgk2+ then a complete overhaul

[@neiker234]

I would have preferred to have PoE or even SFP+ over the NVMe and support for cameras. Almost everyone need WiFi from the day 1, not everyone starts their setup with cameras

[@InsideWire]

Good point!

[@johnheller2311]

Yeah but no everyone needs an access point where they install their wiring closet. Why pay extra for a device that you can't change the specs of, and may be installed in a cupboard

[@neiker234]

@@johnheller2311 I mean it should have PoE (like the Dream Machine SE), not an integrated access point (like the UniFi Express)

[@johnevans1868]

I'd like to see PoE but I'll take the storage over integrated wifi every time.

[@obinna12]

@@johnevans1868what exactly Are you storing??

[@j340_official]

If possible, can you test whether the new gateway supports more than 2 TB storage? Unifi claims the max is 2 TB. So, if you can, put 4TB drive in there to see if it mounts and is fully usable. If not then the cloud key will continue to have some appeal because it supports sata drives of at least 4 TB, possibly more. This is important for protect because if you have multiple cameras (2K or 4K) recording continuously, protect will eat thru 2TB relatively quickly.

[@roger38888]

Sweet and simple review. I really like the minimalistic approach the way the comparisons were done. 2.5 times better than the Unifi portal description. explanation.

[@InsideWire]

Thanks for the kind words

[@robinwilson16]

Thanks for the video. Wish I had watched it before I made my purchase as realised the Gateway Max and Cloud Gateway Max are not the same product even though they look the same and are the same price. Rather confusing for Ubiquity to name them so similar. Corrected my mistake now and purchased the correct one.

[@Maclah]

You managed to sum up everything I wanted to know. I loved the fact you really drove home who this is perfect for and its specific use case. Definitely agree as someone looking to get into the ecosystem PoE would have been great but isn’t a deal breaker considering how you’ve sold the rest of the unit!

[@InsideWire]

Glad you liked it! Thanks for the kind words

[@qalih]

Pet peeves - when people say gigabytes when they mean gigabits and those who say SSD drives - triggered twice lol

[@johnheller2311]

Looks like a very affordable and effective device. I have been completely underwhelmed by the other small form factor devices that you have stated it could replace. They were simply too limited to actually be useful. Cloud Cloud Key Gen 2 + runs ultra hot and literally cooks the hard drives, so this unit should be a good replacement for small sites.

[@CyberMew]

This runs very very hot as well from what I’ve read..

[@zoleeeagle9339]

Great video, great product from Ubiquiti as usual, but they should have made that front display much bigger

[@InsideWire]

Yes I agree, they should, that size screen almost seems pointless sometimes.

[@flesz_]

it just draws unnecessary power. Usually you would have the box lying in the cabinet and not looking at it at all It would be good to have the option to switch the screen off

[@albertocomper9482]

I have a CloudKey to manage switch and Access Point, but my network is manage by an external Gateway and a Fortigate Firewall: can I use the new Gateway Max just to replace the old CloudKey Gen2 to add to my network the Access application of UniFi?

[@anishgeorge8695]

Can this replace firewalla with this? Asking if we have the features in firewalla in this device.

[@EsotericArctos]

I have heard the non storage version does not come with the SSD tray. Can you confirm this? Apparently UI are selling the tray for about $20US extra on it's own. There are advantages to having the Gateway Max and cloud key separate for some situations. Definitely are still uses for separate components over the all in ones.

[@flesz_]

Nice With the POE power it would get really hot, and the box would have to be bigger. Equally the price would be higher

[@dand2424]

Question... Is it compatible with other non-unifi AP'S? Im wanting to use it as a router for my existing Cisco AP's that are standalone and Microtek switch.

[@InsideWire]

Theres only one way to truly find out... however, it should work with third part APs. I havent explicitly tried it yet.

[@eat.a.dick.google]

As a current CloudKey G2 user for both home (network and protect) and work (network) the Cloud Gateway models do not have a rack mount option. I use the rack mount for both home and work.

[@baggerz896]

I just bought a gateway max before this was announced….

[@vsixtyfour]

2:24 have you been able to verify the maximum compatible NVME ssd? If a 4/8TB + etc?

[@hitchjay]

Isnt their OS based on OpenWRT and in turn Linux? it should recognize 4 / 8TB but not sure if their GUI will support it.

[@deano_s2k]

Im limited to 1gbps in my area and I prefer to host my own network appliance on Linux in my homelab, so gateway lite still better option imho.

[@torarnv]

Can you comment on the thermals/heat after prolonged use? Some users are reporting very high temperatures

[@gregsonberlin3782]

Nobody talks about fans. Found a datasheet mentioning fans though. But UniFi U6 mesh gets 50°C, this is a real benchmark, kind off. UCG max will keep cooler hopefully.

[@vikylin]

video is amazing! 😍 totally learned a lot. Thanks for sharing! 🙌

[@InsideWire]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@vikylin]

@@InsideWire can’t wait to see more of your awesome content!😆

[@KebabMan88]

Want to upgrade to this but heard theres a lot of problems with Unify and Community fibre

[@_Trakman]

Why no POE ports on the back?

[@jamesmaxwell7402]

Great Vid, thanks for the follow up to your launch one! I got the 512gb but plan on adding a larger NVMe. Any advice on good brands/models to swap out NVMe for protect storage etc? Will go for max 2tb or larger if at all possible!? Cheers

[@InsideWire]

Thanks for watching! :) I think most reputable brans for storage, crucial, kingston, WD etc will be good, i guess as long as its a Gen4 you should be good. I havent tested another SSD in there yet so just my speculation.

[@jamesmaxwell7402]

@@InsideWire thanks will be good to see a video of swapping out and any NVMe tests 🤞. Any plans to run this in further vids?

[@andukz]

Can you check if this allows for multi-site management? The cloud gateway ultra only allows single site.

[@NoOperation32]

@@andukz so far only cloud keys and self hosted support multi site I believe.

[@rizwan4794]

I hope this is not another cloud key gen 2, in last 6 years replaced three of em, and now this one ssd fail every three months, placed an order cloud gateway max.

[@ChristopherBojilov]

Thanks for the review! I think UDR and UDM are dead too 🙂

[@InsideWire]

Thanks, It is a possible, perhaps some newer models later this year

[@iantiller-mohr9492]

I’d pay an extra 50 for PoE built into the 4 LAN ports

[@newellslab]

Definetly didnt kill off the cloudkey for users who provide their own firewall. Many sites I manage have meraki routers but unifi aps.

[@iAmCymba]

I wonder if it will take any m.2 SSD like how the NVRs take 2.5/3.5” HDD

[@arda_]

Why is no one comparing this to the udm pro? I will buy this instead of udm pro.

[@InsideWire]

This video is coming soon 👀

[@simoncrafferty]

I don't see it replacing the Ultra. Not everyone wants Ubnt cameras. or access or their crappy phones. In fact for most people who are not Ubnt fanbois, the Ultra is a much better proposition. Now if they bought out a NAS app and the SSD could be used for storage, that maybe another proposition

[@andrewjohnston3840]

If you have fibre internet like Cityfibre install will this be able to handle this and replace the providers hub?

[@InsideWire]

I have done this with Vodafone, so assuming city fibre will be the same. Just need to make sure you have all the details.

[@utiniposungu1221]

Hi there. What about this product compared to the dream machine pro? I am in the process of buying one of those two right now and am wondering, if there is (apart of POE-Ports of the DM SE) any reason to prefer the DM SE over the gateway Max? Only a hand full access points and cameras will be used. Thank you.

[@InsideWire]

Depends what through put you need and also how many devices will be on your network. does it work out cheaper buying a UDM SE vs Cloud gateway + Switch or POE adapters.

[@HenriUA]

What is the dream router missing compared to this?

[@gregsonberlin3782]

Is it fanless?

[@barbatrukko]

At the moment I'm not interested in the NVR section. If I get it without the disk, can I add it later? Does the Network part still work without NVM disk?

[@LiLBitsDK]

yes that is what he literally said when he listed the price if you got your own 2TB drive vs. buying it with 2TB from the start...

[@AtomCoder]

It runs the full stack but be mindful that you can only activate/emable 2 features within that stack at any one time.

[@InsideWire]

Interesting. I will be testing further in my in depth review. I managed to activate them earlier today

[@LuminousPlasma]

@@InsideWirecan we get confirmation on this?

[@TehMagilla]

Can you run this without connecting it to the Unifi Cloud?

[@haidars]

Am planning of having 7-8 unifi camera, 2 unifi AP, i dont ips/ids firewalling, as i will be running sophos home, and i also have a mini pc with 2 2.5gbe, will it be better to have UDM ou this with a 16/24port POE switch

[@InsideWire]

I havent adopted multiple devices to this product yet to see what the impact in, so couldnt comment just yet. Will hopefully be doing an in depth review soon.

[@gernermajlandt]

cloudkey gen2 can have multiple site, what about cloud gateway MAX?

[@InsideWire]

I will have a look and come back to you at some point.

[@bryancamphens]

Hi, what is your advice…the Cloud Gateway Ultra of Max? I have a 1Gb Ethernet connection and I only use the network option in Unifi because my cameras are from Eufy.

[@johnheller2311]

Buy the max with the no SSD option

[@ITB_News]

Would you say this is better than Dream Machine Base ? I would assume so overall

[@InsideWire]

Dream Machine base comes with WiFi and POE so its a good option. If you dont need those or willing to add in, then yes probably would be

[@keninen2245]

@InsideWire Unifi changed the product page, it does no longer have a GB RAM more…

[@matthewpaul269]

Yeah that was a recent change I just ordered one and it said 4GB before.

[@InsideWire]

You're right, how did i not pick this up, on my previous video it shows 4gb, but now 3gb.

[@kmhphotoman]

Gateway Max has 2GB ram whereas the Cloud Gateway Max has 3gb

[@blupa_ch]

Can I Register UniFi devices on a Remote Location like multiple Sites?

[@beyondearth6418]

It's missing traffic shaping with guaranteed (minimum) and maximum download/upload limits per network/device!! This device is a no go for me.

[@newellslab]

1:46 its gigabit not gigabyte

[@Gralldila]

I feel like they have a phenomenal product line but failing in the port speed line up, there is zero reason why they aren’t offering 10gb personal switching for the consumer market yet.. they have a great tech lineup and a great hold on the market for techies but are failing in this way… they just recently only started offering WIFI7

[@tcntad87]

Runs the entire package but lacks PoE and wifi + more expensive = no go

[@hitchjay]

is the old USG finally dead?

[@13degener1]

Greetings, I have been testing my UCG-Max this weekend, and externally I am getting slightly higher temperatures. The processor (without much workload) registers about 70 degrees Celsius, reaching 80/85 degrees Celsius when I make it work. Do you think this is normal?

[@InsideWire]

That does seem a bit high, I would get in touch with Ubiquiti support to confirm.

[@matthewpaul269]

Does it have an internal fan. I have seen some specs say it has it and some say nothing.

[@13degener1]

@@InsideWire I have notified them; when I get a response, I'll post it here.

[@13degener1]

@@matthewpaul269 My UCG-Max doesn't make any noise as if it has a fan. I don't know if it doesn't have one or if it's broken. I'll ask support.

[@dr.oliebol]

@@13degener1 It is fanless appliance but I have read more people with heat issues with this device. Maybe a firmware update can fix some of it?

[@beardpwn282]

It does 1.2 GIGABIT, not Gigabytes.

[@andyisthebestest]

How can tech reviewers still mix gb and GB up...

[@marcorobbe9003]

I think Unifi is like kicking us customers in the faice. Do we need to take this serious. Phushing out one product after the other, always with a small and minimum advantage. Now the new Gateway max. What is that - There is the same processor as in the Gateway ultra. But now it can handel all applications all ports as 2.5 GB and also a higer IPS/IDS throughput. Is this same processor magicaly getting faster and then all youtubers shout out, what a great product ... . Maybe I miss somthing but to me it looks like ... lets say a strange Unify strategy as well as joust some paied youtube videos.

[@JoshuaCollins]

Cheaper to produce one board/chipset and limit hardware via software.

[@dosmaiz7361]

1.5Gbps, not GBps of Ids/ips routing.

[@PabloTBrave]

I dont think it kills anything, it does have the full stack yes but with the sd card it can store all of about 30 seconds of footage utter pontless , id rather have an ucg ultra an a unvr . Would like to see a UCG thats powered via poe that woule be cool .

[@druxpack8531]

so i guess you like when one device has an issue, everything is down? I'll stick to separate cloud keys and firewalls thank you very much. I'll be up and running way faster than you.

[@jlficken]

I have no interest in this device. When I deploy UniFi devices for people I just want the Gateway to be a gateway and have it connect back up to my hosted UniFi controller. These people don't want cameras nor do they want to run their own controller. I also don't want to use the UI cloud to manage the different sites.

[@riad_ahmed]

i am planning on buiying ubiquity cloud gateway max. there is a no storage version. my question is, do i need to buy a nvme caddy as well for installing the nvme or does it come with the caddy and i can just install the nvme on the caddy and be good to go?

[@AliM-lv8wb]

pleas can unfi ID vedio

[@InsideWire]

Sure! anything specific or general overview?

[@TobyRobertsThe]

does not have an AP built in - so no, does not kill off the ones you say it does

[@InsideWire]

Neither does the gateway max or cloud key 😐

[@LiLBitsDK]

I enjoy my Express with the built in AP.. covers the whole apartment brilliantly... only thing I wuld have liked is better IDS stuff... and 2.5Gbit on all ports... don't need the video crap or anything... just need internet... and I would like to upgrade it all to 2.5Gbit... but the express is 1gig... 1 port in and 1 port out... which is hooked to 1 mini switch (also only 1gig) which goes to a secondary mini switch also 1gig only... if both the mini switch and the express (with AP) was upgraded to 2.5 then I would be happy as a clam

[@DohertyMax]

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[@LVang152]

Mu ucg 2plus is dying

[@flemishbelgian4209]

No option for 2nd Wan like ultra

[@jensche21]

ubiquti are scamming people now. the Max has the same hardware like the ultra, only the ports and Storage are changed. but on the ultra only can run the network app. instead the max can run all apps.

[@BrentCameron]

Please turn it off Celsius and onto the correct units of Fahrenheit on your IR gun. Thanks!

[@InsideWire]

I will give both readings going forward 👌

[@MrMase370]

Celsius is the correct unit.

[@VJXess]

How long boot time after first initial setup complete?