The way he sounds so excited makes this video 10x better.
@drpeyam6 жыл бұрын
Wow, that’s an even nicer way of formulating it than on my video, great job! :)
@LetsSolveMathProblems6 жыл бұрын
I just watched your video on Gamma Zeta Integral, and I found it very educational. I personally think your approach is beautiful; besides, you have covered a more general case. I love your enthusiasm throughout the video! =)
@nicholasr796 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure which one of you has worse English, but I'll settle on the tie.
@griffisme48335 жыл бұрын
@@nicholasr79 You don't need to be an ass.
@nicholasr795 жыл бұрын
@@griffisme4833 I'm sorry that you're triggered by simple truths. How about you go fucc yourself, buddy?
@fedem82295 жыл бұрын
@@nicholasr79 Well, you clearly perfectly speak every existing language, Could we have a conversation on Seri?
@supman26006 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the transparency regarding dead ends and the necessity of perseverence and stamina in taking on mathematical problems such as these.
@vishalkakade0010246 жыл бұрын
Thank you for solving this, I was trying to solve a similar integral from past 7 years. I used ur method and I finally completed the damn integral after 7 years.
@LetsSolveMathProblems6 жыл бұрын
My pleasure! I'm glad the explanation helped you out in your endeavor. =)
@cantcommute3 жыл бұрын
At that point you should just Google the solution no?
@Aditya_1968 ай бұрын
Which iit bro ?!
@matthewbriggs28056 жыл бұрын
You know you've explained it well when a maths noob can understand most of what you said, great video!!
@shanmugasundaram96886 жыл бұрын
Genuine application of gamma function.
@rickybobby55846 жыл бұрын
you mean beta function
@kuntalghosh61295 жыл бұрын
You can also obtain the π^2/6 by taking a Fourier series of x, in the interval -π
@MrUwU-dj7js4 жыл бұрын
I didn't knew this. Will look at it up, thanks
@스윗투스6 жыл бұрын
i like the way how pi comes out of nowhere
@friedkeenan5 жыл бұрын
3Blue1Brown has a great video that proves it using circles, so it's not like the pi is random
@jongyon7192p5 жыл бұрын
@김주원 I like the way how, as a native speaker, I'm still full of bad grammar
@神のユージン5 жыл бұрын
@@friedkeenan well, Euler proved this originally with the Taylor series of the sin function , and sin has always to a lot with circles.
@mariomuysensual3 жыл бұрын
Not of nowhere, it comes from rotation and circles
@스윗투스3 жыл бұрын
well i know not much about math so it seems to me as if it comes outta nowhere lol
@justin22216 жыл бұрын
W H E R E I S T H I S P I C O M I N G F R O M ?
@Bollibompa5 жыл бұрын
It is quite complicated but 3Blue1Brown has a video trying to explain it through a geometric model.
@gregoriousmaths2664 жыл бұрын
Bollibompa I’m pretty sure he did that for the Basel problem not this integral Check out my channel btw
@DavidFMayerPhD4 жыл бұрын
Pi is EVERYWHERE.
@RealTechnoPanda4 жыл бұрын
I was grinning from ear to ear by the end of this video. Thanks!
@amankarunakaran63466 жыл бұрын
Awesome vid. One note: to avoid integration by parts, you can evaluate integral from 0 to ∞ of (xe^(-xn) dx) by differentiation under the integral as follows: I(n) = int 0 to ∞ of -e^(-xn) dx I'(n) = int 0 to ∞ of xe^(-xn) dx after differentiating with respect to n, which is what we want However, we can evaluate I(n) easily I(n) = int 0 to ∞ of -e^(-xn) dx = e^(-∞n)/n-e^(-0n)/n = -1/n I'(n) = 1/n^2 So we deduce that int 0 to ∞ of xe^(-xn) dx = 1/n^2, and basically all we had to do was integrate -e^(-xn)
@LetsSolveMathProblems6 жыл бұрын
Excellent suggestion!
@amvandmusic21693 жыл бұрын
7:54 I'm not sure about this fact... Uniform convergence only allows to exchange sum/integral on a segment like [a,b], not an infinite set. In such case, you would need dominated convergence.
@Mod_on_exp3 жыл бұрын
In this case, Monotone convergence should work fine.
@anthonyymm511 Жыл бұрын
Yeah monotone convergence settles it in this case. You can always swap summation and integration if everything is non-negative.
@thetheandrein6 жыл бұрын
Omg, how does he do to see that kind of relations? Certainly impresive
@kaushikmanna40026 жыл бұрын
An absolutely superb way to get to the solution with all the necessary inter step justification explained properly.
@anurodhkumar29435 жыл бұрын
So beautiful!!!!! Just love it
@okabe9996 жыл бұрын
Gamma FUNction! :D
@jjlg976 жыл бұрын
It is a very clean process, totally clear for the viewer. Concerning the final steps, when deciding over integration by parts or Gamma function, one could also consider the Laplace transform of f(x) = x, which is directly readable and there are no needed modifications to compute it, in contrast to the option of using Gamma function. Laplace transform is (I think) known by everyone having seen a first course on ODEs, so it should also be part of the "toolbox" available when solving integrals like this one.
@dr.rahulgupta75733 жыл бұрын
Simple and clear presentation of the topics. wow !!
@FractalMannequin5 жыл бұрын
Wheeler: duel monster player and mathematician.
@easymathematik6 жыл бұрын
Hello. :) The first thing I thought when I saw the integral was Bernoulli. There is another beautiful way to solve it in my opinion. If one knows that the integrand is the generating function of the Bernoulli numbers the solution follows immediately from some basic integral properties. :) Details: Integral 0 to inf x^(2n-1) / ( e^(ax) - 1) dx = beta(n) / 4 (2 pi /a) ^ (2n) Where beta(n) = (-1)^(n+1) * bernoulli( 2n ) Using n=1, a=1 => beta(1) = bernoulli(2) = 1/6 gives pi^2 over 6. :)
@apta99316 жыл бұрын
The starting integral is the function f(2) where f is the ζ(s)Γ(s) which is equal to S[0->Infinity] (x^(s-1))/(e^x - 1)
@Jeff-wc5ho6 жыл бұрын
I especially love these integration puzzles. Keep up the amazing work, and thank you for your videos :)
@karolkurek92016 ай бұрын
I do not understand one thing: how |r|
@powerphysics7662 жыл бұрын
Ingenious approach. Brilliantly done
@ayushgupta72734 жыл бұрын
What a beautiful of explaining something. Thank you :)
@giovannicorsini92546 жыл бұрын
Pay attention when you justify the change of the order of the summation and of the integration by referring to the uniform convergence of the series, it is way better to make use of the monotone convergence theorem that is studied in Measure Theory and Lebesgue Theory, as this example shows: pick the sequence of functions given by chi{[0,n]}/n, where chi{•} is the characteristic function of the set written between the brackets. It is really simple to see that this sequence converges uniformly to the constant zero function, nevertheless the integral extended over R+ or R is constantly 1, so you can't apply the uniform convergence theorem result. The reason is that there is another assumption that is made in that theorem, i.e. the fact that the measure of the set involved must actually have finite measure, otherwise situation like the previous example can occur. Since in our case you're integrating over R+, which has infinite measure, I would avoid to use the result about uniform convergent series of functions and I would rather notice that the series has only nonnegative functions, which means you have a monotonic increasing series of functions, so that monotone convergence theorem can be applied eventually to justify the inversion of the order of the operations of summation and integration.
@thesparksplug6 жыл бұрын
Wasn’t too familiar with the Gamma function but the partial integral did just fine too to get (1/n)^2.
@giovannicorsini92546 жыл бұрын
Actually you can't refer to uniform convergence at all, because the sum does NOT converge uniformly. Here's why: for the sake of contradiction assume that the sum whose general term is exp(-nx) converges uniformly on R+. That would mean, by Cauchy criterion, that for a suitable N (chosen sufficiently large) we should have that the sup for x belonging to R+ of the modulus of the sum of the N-th,N+1-th,...N+p-th term would be smaller than a fixed quantity, say 1/2, FOR EVERY NONNEGATIVE INTEGER p>=0. This clearly implies that the general term of the series must actually converge to zero UNIFORMLY, but that's not the case, because FOR EVERY N, we have lim exp(-nx)=1 for x->0+. So the series does NOT converge uniformly, and the theorem couldn't be applied a priori anyway
@LetsSolveMathProblems6 жыл бұрын
You are absolutely right. When I was filming the video, I mistakenly thought e^(-nx) only had to be uniformly convergent on (0, inf) for the theorem to apply; however, a uniform convergence at the endpoint(s) is also necessary (in our case, as you pointed out, our sequence of functions doesn't satisfy this at x = 0). I sincerely apologize for the error. The Monotone Convergence should have been used to justify the exchange. Thank you for notifying me! =)
@giovannicorsini92546 жыл бұрын
@@LetsSolveMathProblems You're welcome. I honestly don't know if the other comment is proper, cause I watched the video again and I realized only the 2nd time that you actually referred to Taylor series AND TO GEOMETRIC ONES when it came to investigate the uniform convergence, so you considered it the right way, even if you claimed a result for this kind of series (the geometric series of functions) that doesn't hold in general, because you have uniform convergence if the general term is bounded above by a positive real number which is less than 1, but the discussion in the other comment made it clear that's not the case at all (read in particular the limit argument, when I show that the general term does not converge to zero uniformly). Maybe that was the result you thought about, which is a corollary of Weierstrass total convergence criterion and eventually of Cauchy's criterion. But it can't be applied in this case for what I've just texted. Anyway I've appreciated your answer timing a lot. Thx for your answer, I think I'll watch other videos of yours at a later date. Till next time ;-)
@laugernberg48176 жыл бұрын
at 8:00 uniform convergence is a good argument for switching sum and integral, but actually it always holds if the terms are non-negative. (Beppo Levis theorem or Tonellis theorem) :D
@tgx35292 жыл бұрын
I have used Lebesgue theory about majorant for the change suma And integral. x[(exp(-(N+1)x-1)/(exp(-x)-1)]≤x[ exp(-x)+1-1] ( for N=2), where N Is index S_N, (non-negative Borel-measurable functions guarantee the existence of the Lebesgues integrals).
@nickstollard62056 жыл бұрын
This is legitimately the greatest video I've ever seen
@anthonyymm511 Жыл бұрын
7:57 You don’t even need uniform convergence in this case. Everything is non-negative so it follows by monotone convergence theorem.
@bmdiscover78272 жыл бұрын
You must know that by this video , you make other nearly to the solution of the eternal prime number problem. Thank you .
@mythbusterman85415 жыл бұрын
Most impressive part of this is how quickly and nearly he is drawing with a click and drag mouse function .
@cbbuntz3 жыл бұрын
pi^2/6 again? I can't escape that value. I keep running into it over and over. Something about the zeta function, but it shows up in the trigamma function and the 2nd(?) polylog when evaluated at 1 and it pops up all the time in integrals
@sibasishpadhy917213 күн бұрын
thanks a lot for rewvising my concepts again
@rickybobby55846 жыл бұрын
or let e^(-x)=y then the integral will be int(y=0 to 1) ln(y)/(1-y), use the series expansion for the denominator and you will get sum(n=1 to inf) 1/n^2 which is zeta(2) which pi^2/6
@SynysterKezia6 жыл бұрын
The gamma function step at the end seemed a bit convoluted to me. While I probably couldn't have gotten that far into the solution by myself, once there, it seems like the easiest thing to do is to rewrite the integrand as -d/dn (exp[-xn]). Solving the integral is then trivial, and so is redifferentiating afterwards. But I'm not a mathematician, so maybe I am missing something.
@LetsSolveMathProblems6 жыл бұрын
I do not see how writing the integrand as -d/dn(exp[-xn]) would help us; after all, we should write the integrand as derivative with respect to x (NOT with respect to n) if we wish to proceed using Fundamental Theorem of Calculus. Perhaps I am missing something as well. I would appreciate it if you could elaborate on your method a little bit more. Thank you for commenting! =)
LetsSolveMathProblems I'm an aspiring physicist, so I'm maybe not being as careful as I should be. But I believe this is one of Feynman's tricks for integration
@LetsSolveMathProblems6 жыл бұрын
Your argument looks beautiful! It is a fine alternative for gamma function approach. Thank you for sharing it! =)
@bb2fiddler6 жыл бұрын
@@SynysterKezia Bravo. I will remember this trick
@faresberarma33496 жыл бұрын
Nice integral, but always great complications !! we can do it easier : x/(exp(x)-1)=x*exp(-x)/(1-exp(-x)) then let u=exp(-x) the integral will be integ from 0 to 1 the fraction -ln(u)/u-1 known 1/1-u=1+u+u^2+u^3+...+u^n the integral will be minus somme from n=0 to infinity integral from 0 to 1 u^n*lnu du integration by parts and it's done somme from n=0 to infinity 1/(n+1)^2 equal to pi^2/6
@pyrotas6 жыл бұрын
Come on, it's the very same technique he used. He just wanted to pass through the gamma function definition for the sake of mentioning something extra which could be of interest to the viewers!
@subashsahu89256 жыл бұрын
Fares BERARMA i was thinking the same
@radiotv6246 жыл бұрын
True but using the Gamma Function is more practical in my opinion because tougher Integrals (most with non elementary anti derivatives) incorporate incomplete/complete Gamma functions and this is a cool gateway of viewing things
@--_96236 жыл бұрын
What do u mean with exp?
@gady-manuelalaoui62436 жыл бұрын
@@--_9623 exp(x) is just e^x
@miguelcerna74065 жыл бұрын
Absolutely astonishing.
@hoschi496 жыл бұрын
i have a small trick for this integral x * exp(-xn) . you can write this as minus d/dn exp(-xn) . then put - d/dn out of integral . Then just calculate integral of exp(-xn) from 0 to infinity which is easy. its just 1/n . then let - d/dn act on 1/n and you have 1/n^2
@raghvendrasingh128911 күн бұрын
❤ yes actually it is the method of differentiation under the sign of integration given by Leibnitz using it r times we can integrate (x^r) e^(-nx) in [0, infinity ] which is r ! /n^(r+1)
@maxshore97225 жыл бұрын
Great video for a greater integral. Thanks for your work.
@mathisfortoul5 жыл бұрын
The part when you use Taylor series of a/1-r is false because for the zero of the integral, exp(-x) is equal to one, which not permitted by the very condition of the radius of convergence
@gongasvf6 жыл бұрын
Very appropriate title! :) That was amazing
@anmolempire11975 жыл бұрын
Best Solution 😊😊🇮🇳💓
@NasirKhan-lq5jl5 жыл бұрын
I know I am too late( but I hope u see this LSMP) but actually it is a direct problem if one is aware of the relation between zeta and gamma function as: integral of (x^(s-1))/((e^ x)-1) from 0 to inf = zeta(s) * gamma(s) which in this case s=2 the answer is zeta(2)*gamma(2) =pi^2/6 *1!=pi^2/6
@muratkaradag37035 жыл бұрын
I klicked the like button and it showed 2800 likes!! I love how many ways you are trying to wvaluate that integral 😘
@dalek10996 жыл бұрын
Use Monotone Convergence Theorem rather than Uniform Convergence as it is much easier to show Monotone Convergence than Uniform Convergence which follows as the sum is a sum of positive quantities.
@ruchpat16 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video keep up the good work brotha man
@plasmacrab_74736 жыл бұрын
Amazing! I always have trouble with remembering all of these infinite series and their answers, but either way, I enjoyed this video to the fullest!
@manuelodabashian5 жыл бұрын
Isn't the function the Bernoulli numbers?
@RAJSINGH-of9iy4 жыл бұрын
Which software are you using?
@ayoubelkfita80306 жыл бұрын
thank you very much your are amazing
@thecuriouskid44816 жыл бұрын
Man! This is love! ❤❤❤❤❤❤
@fivestar58553 жыл бұрын
Brilliant!
@박수상-s7d3 жыл бұрын
This series converges uniformly for all x>0 ??(7:50) i can not understand this way..ㅜㅜ
@박수상-s7d3 жыл бұрын
@Lomk how can i check uniformly of f??
@박수상-s7d3 жыл бұрын
@Lomk what should i use to theorem?
@anthonyymm511 Жыл бұрын
It may not be correct. Instead you may interchange by monotone convergence theorem
@khaledqaraman6 жыл бұрын
ِِAmazing solution ... Thanks
@vishalmishra30464 жыл бұрын
Assume F(x) = exp(-nx)/(-n)[f(x) + f'(x)/n + f"(x)/n^2 + ...]. Then, F'(x) = exp(-nx)f(x). Indefinite (therefore also definite) integral of any function times exp(-nx) is now easily computable. F(x) is a finite series if f(x) is just a polynomial in x of integer degree m >= 0. This can be used to solve any problem such as the one in this video.
@zeeshanmehmood45225 жыл бұрын
Do you script your videos or just load up your recording software and start talking?
@KelfranGt5 жыл бұрын
Uniformly converge? What are the cases where the sum doesn’t uniformly converge?? Or does it just mean it doesn’t diverge?
@نعمللوحدة5 жыл бұрын
Well done. I love Euler 😊
@MohitSharma_calc4 жыл бұрын
Hey Michael (let's solve math problems) I am a big fan.... I think an easier way to do this integral would be (reference from the new integral at 7:04) doing a u substitution here.... Take u=1-(e^-x) Then you get du=xe^-x From here you get the integral to be integral from 0 to infinity of 1/u du This is ln|u| from 0 to infinity Which is ln|1-e^-x| from 0 to infinity Please let me know if I am right.... And if there is an issue please elaborate on that.... I am not very advanced in calculus and thus would like to get a fresh opinion..... If it turns out it is true perhaps you can create another video depicting this method......
@amritlohia82409 ай бұрын
If u = 1-e^(-x), you get du/dx = e^(-x), not xe^(-x).
@elliottmanley51826 жыл бұрын
I was bothered by 7'10". Doesn't a have to be a constant rather then a function of r?
@AlecBrady6 жыл бұрын
Elliott Manley a and r are both constants, so it doesn't matter if they are both expressed as functions of something else, the relationship still holds.
@LetsSolveMathProblems6 жыл бұрын
For each value of x between 0 and infinity, a and r are constants. Since the definite integral is basically the limit of a Riemann sum, in which we examine each value of x one by one, we can treat a and r as constants.
@elliottmanley51826 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@cooperokuhn13576 жыл бұрын
Isn’t that the generating function for Bernoulli numbers?
@d.h.y Жыл бұрын
Bravo!!!
@juanmanuelmolanobaron73856 жыл бұрын
Nice job x2
@josuehazaelmurodiaz77366 жыл бұрын
Utterly deliteful
@Ulumabulu36 жыл бұрын
Nice Video. But, there is some minor thing that bothed me. When we replaced the integrand with the infinite geometric sum, we assumed r to be smaller than one. Strictly speaking, this is only true when x is bigger than zero. The geometric series evaluates to 0 for x = 0 (a = 0,r=1), while the integrand is equal to 1 at x = 0. Can we neglect this fact, because changing the integrand at one point does not alter the value of the integral?
@amritlohia82409 ай бұрын
Yes - we can just redefine the integrand to be 0 at x = 0.
@josephlorizzo89974 ай бұрын
isn't this a particolar case of the Einstein-bose integral?
@itszeen78554 жыл бұрын
6:17 How can there be a greater than or equal sign with the 0 and x if e^-0 is = 1 when |r| < 1?
@IoT_4 жыл бұрын
That's exactly what I was going to ask before watching your comment.
@IoT_4 жыл бұрын
Actually, I've just figured out the resolution to this issue. Dealing with integrals we have to be care about not the values on the endpoints but the value of the limits on these points. Since we approach from 0+ (because the integral from 0 to infinity) e^(-x) is less than 1.
@math26934 жыл бұрын
This is absolutely incredible
@pandabearguy15 жыл бұрын
The double integral from minus inf to positive inf of sinx/x siny/y sin(x+y)/(x+y) dxdy also turns out to be exactly this
@jadewolf34166 жыл бұрын
whoa, letssolvemathproblems fails along the way?!?! this is unprecedented! instant like and you put me in awe, lol. btw, is there something else i can call u by instead of letssolvemathproblems, perhaps your first name?
@LetsSolveMathProblems6 жыл бұрын
My first name is Michael. Feel free to call me by LetsSolve, LetsSolveMathProblems, or by my first name. =) I'm glad you enjoyed the video, Jeff Wolfshire!
@liberalaccidental5 жыл бұрын
Beautiful
@jpphoton6 жыл бұрын
holy mook a dang. Brilliant.
@gaurangagarwal32434 жыл бұрын
Here is my approach Take e^x common in denominator and then substitute e^-x =t We will get integration of the form of Ln(t)/1-t now substitute 1-t=p to get integration of the form of -Ln(1-p)/p expand Ln(1-p) using mclaurin expansion and integrate the algebric function to get 1+1/2^2+1/3^2... =π^2/6
@arshraza10384 жыл бұрын
How can u use GP infinite sum formula if a is not constant??
@del3t3d2 жыл бұрын
Great stuff
@sambhrantagupta35226 жыл бұрын
That ws amazing,Very clear and understandable,thanq
@dahmaneabdessalam27785 жыл бұрын
Great job!
@chariot92855 жыл бұрын
I never passed pre-calculus in high school haha but I love watching your videos!
@LetsSolveMathProblems5 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you enjoy my videos! Without a doubt, commenters like you make my day. I do remark that high school math classes, generally speaking, cannot accurately gauge your true mathematical ability or potential. Tests based on memorization and blindly following a step-by-step procedure cannot possibly measure the thrill you experience when your creativity intermixes with an interesting problem to light up an elegant solution, nor can such tests successfully predict your love and passion for mathematics, without which learning mathematics often becomes a fruitless endeavor. =)
@Metalhammer19936 жыл бұрын
Holy cow. This was a ride. I kinda new we needed to squeeze out the basel problem. But i wouldn't have had the slightest clue to how to get it. But let's be real would you have been able to solve that thing without knowing it's pi^2/6? Like it gave us the endgame we had to squeeze out the basel problem. How much more of a nightmare would it be without having that endgame? And maybe a crazy idea but could you show a proof that the sum of all the squared reciprocals is pi^2/6?
@alexpotts65206 жыл бұрын
Wikipedia does this very well. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basel_problem
@Smokie_bear98965 жыл бұрын
avengers endgame confirmed
@esdrasmunizmota89335 жыл бұрын
You can do thin integral making x=ln(t) without pass by the Gamma function.
@garydunken79346 жыл бұрын
Nice. And we are done!
@mark_tilltill66644 жыл бұрын
Integral(0,infinity, 1/floor(x^2)) also. Why are these equal?
fantastic. sir let me know how we got the result (pi)'2/6 equals to summation 1/n'2?
@jagathkaparthi36296 жыл бұрын
Nice job
@sergioh55156 жыл бұрын
This is so awesome...it's going on my favorites list
@Sam-no2kb6 жыл бұрын
You should do some problems from the Calculus/Analysis section of the Berkeley Math Tournament
@jaydeep_kumar_4 жыл бұрын
Extraordinary
@johnpolychronopoulos66684 жыл бұрын
Nice approach but we could also show that this integral is ζ(2)×Γ(2)
@berenjervin6 жыл бұрын
Can this integral be evaluated if the upper limit were less than infinity? Lets say, to Y, creating a function of Y?
@aca792.6 жыл бұрын
no
@berenjervin6 жыл бұрын
@@aca792. I guess my question was ambiguous. I think the integral would converge, and could be approximated via a taylor series. But I think I was referring to evaluated to some elementary functions.
@vishwarajgohil5 жыл бұрын
What if I solve the indefinite integral then put 0 to infinity there. I don't seem to be able to put 0 and infinity, there are just indeterminate forms....I was able to solve the definate integral though. Please reply
@borg9726 жыл бұрын
Why is uniform convergence required for switching the integration and summation?
@giovannicorsini92546 жыл бұрын
Please read my comment. It answers your question properly in the right way :)
@gagers784 жыл бұрын
Omg stumpled across this on my own. By using the integral of x^-k between 0 and inf then messing around using leibniz rule and summing stuff. U sub to get the bounds to converge. Then transform the bounds again.