A closer look at Finland's 'open prisons'

[@themagicbush1208]

Of course you need to put the inmates to do normal work so they will gradually get used to it. It works because once a prisoner has to wear working clothes instead of prison clothes, make thinking process in order to finish the job, and feel like he is actually being rewarded for all this. Finnish open prison is actually a lifestyle changing center.

[@mikrokupu]

The Finnish approach is pragmatic, isolating the low-risk inmates is unproductive and expensive, makes more sense to give them tools to change their life.

[@oibruv]

Also free workforce. Cheaper to use these guys than pay 2000€ a month for some other dude to do the same job.

[@mikrokupu]

RoyalFri It used to be like that in the past, open prison inmates were building roads and airports. Now the idea is to rehabilitate, not to "pay back" by working, most jobs these days require education and experience anyway. And naturally working or studying is voluntary, though many are willing to, the inmates are paid for the work. Just checked the open prison inmates can earn max 5e per hour, minus possible taxes. In some cases you can keep your civil job, naturally your life is still controlled.

[@torpmorp1324]

RoyalFri they actually get paid for their work. There was one guy who earned 2600 € per month in prison and people weren’t too happy about that

[@mikrokupu]

@Benny Silin Don't know if there are any low-risk ax murderers. But who knows ;)

[@themaster1670]

The reason it works is because these people have no reason to hate anyone, so they can't blame anyone but themselves. They are treated like people, with the exception that they don't have freedom and that is a pretty horrible feeling to any sane person. It's a lot more effective at turning people's lives around than any other system.

[@torpmorp1324]

TheMaster1 there are murderers, rapists and child molesters in prisons too, and the other prisoners don’t treat them nicely

[@pyramusk3264]

The reason it work's are because they are low risk prisoners. You can't put gang members in this kind of prison. I know this because i work in an open prison in scandinavia (Denmark) as well. Wed put gang members in there and it doesn't work at all.

[@EternalChaos537]

@@pyramusk3264 I just saw a documentary where a murder was in an open prison in Finland "serving" 16 years.

[@mixlllllll]

​​@@EternalChaos537He had probably been classified as not dangerous anymore so he got transferred to an open prison.

[@Alexandros.Mograine]

people dont realize that it might be a nice prison for low risk inmates, but its still a prison. dont act like its a hotel, i think the system works well for low risk inmates.

[@georgealderson4424]

Interesting comment. Please can you explain how it is still prison? There does not seem to be punishment as might be expected from prison!

[@SoL_ismyname]

@@georgealderson4424 because the punishment is removal from society and restriction of movement. If your life is being watched it's going to be punishing enough.

[@georgealderson4424]

@@SoL_ismyname Thanks. That is an interesting comment Sakari but the video did not seem to sbow restriction of movement and with CCTV everywhere these days it seems we are all being watched! However there system obviously worked.

[@mr.alexiegaming9548]

also for murderers, it works well for some reason

[@Alexandros.Mograine]

@@georgealderson4424 not every prisoner is in a open prison, and even in open prisons you arent allowed to leave whenever you want.

[@mika4098]

Especially for low level offenders, putting them in an American style closed cell with a career criminal probably wont help much. You're just gonna radicalize them, change them from a person who made a mistake into another career criminal. It's a different situation if they've committed triple murder or something, then they would be locked in a more guarded facility for a long time. Tought about "crime needs harsh punishment" might work well in theory, but this sort of rehabilitation works well in real life, which is a big difference.

[@jakewalberg4177]

This is a bit misleading clip. Those sentenced to less than one year's sentence may, at their discretion, be placed directly in an open institution to reconcile the sentence. The conditions for the placement of those who have been sentenced to longer sentences in open institutions will be assessed at some point in the execution of imprisonment. Only those who have been behaving well and who are not dangerous to others, will have a chance to be transferred to open prison at the end of their sentences. Escaping the open prison results every time in placement in a closed prison. For such inmates, it's not possible to be placed in open prison again.

[@georgealderson4424]

Thank you for clarifying

[@ukkomies100]

We have worse prisons for reoffenders and such. But the threshold is pretty high

[@Victor-tl4dk]

Yeah I'm curious about the video put out by insider news? This prison looks so run down compared to the ones on that video.

[@MrAatami]

I almost wanted to stay for a while longer. I got sick like two days before getting released and I had already arranged a very early release and pick up. Me getting sick back then had nothing to do with prison, other than, maybe I was a bit excited to get out and I couldn't sleep so well.

[@tiernanwearen8096]

What were you in the nick for? The prisons have come a long way since the white guard camp for red pows

[@shopliftingcentral]

i am curious to know how prison was in your country

[@Rk-kp7ng]

4:22 Vittu! :DDD

[@mikaveekoo]

Heitit ruman sanan. Mikä hätänä?

[@Amanicon25]

Haista Vittu

[@DiavalloX]

4:02 I burst out laughing at this one. Every other person they interviewed before spoke in a thick finnish or like french accent, and in comes this guy with a lazy ass American accent talking about "okay i stabbed a guy but" 😂😂😂😂

[@KaregoAt]

It was so funny, you can instantly tell from his accent, and maybe a little from his attitude :D he's right in the way that some people are not open to rehabilitation, but that's the case everywhere. You'll always have some re-offenders. The difference is in the will to rehabilitate instead of exacting revenge regardless.

[@diabloencorbata1989]

When a society is predominantly educated, crimes are low.

[@pyramusk3264]

Or rich!

[@diabloencorbata1989]

Incorrect-as money brings another side of hyper corrupción.

[@pyramusk3264]

@@diabloencorbata1989 So an educated, poor society is the best? Rubbish!

[@diabloencorbata1989]

Pyramus K when educated, being poor is a small issue solved by the individual’s knowledge.

[@pyramusk3264]

@@diabloencorbata1989 Clearly you haven't seen what an empty stomach do to people.

[@MichaTheLight]

And again Nordic countries are decades or even centuries ahead of the rest of the world.

[@jasonmenace2500]

walk in the park litterally

[@niilo7552]

In normal prisons in finland you have holidays

[@yyii7155]

I am from Finland 🇫🇮

[@hulagu3068]

If you want to see how civilized a society is see how they treat their prisoners.

[@bertreynolds8146]

It's like the Finnish dream...you move to Finland just so you can enjoy the relaxed prison services, a real experience.

[@themaster1670]

Except when you're in an open prison you need to work and you can't control your own life in any way. If you treat prisoners like animals, they'll turn into animals, as evidenced by the insanely inefficient system in the U.S. that only manages to radicalise inmates. In the Nordics most prisoners are treated like people, and they get used to a working life, and when they eventually get out of prison they almost never go back because they don't want to lose their freedom. Prisons in most places are meant to punish, prisons in the Nordics are meant to rehabilitate, so that most of these people will actually some day be useful to society instead of living their entire life being fed and clothed by the government. Of course dangerous criminals don't get to enjoy open prisons like these guys.

[@PM-gf1nj]

Except if you get a sentence of minimum of 12 months incarceration, you'll most likely be deported. So you get to go back home, but as a prisoner.

[@JohnSmith-zk8xp]

@@themaster1670 As opposed to working as a free man because you need to work?

[@juhaniniittykumpu2009]

This is not a jail. This is Job camp. There In finland, we have normal jail.

[@whenggomez2137]

funny 2 chinese girls: 1: 01 "prisons...a...prisons.."

[@netsong2239]

3:20 when they call Finland scandinavia

[@Catz780]

Hes like:wtf

[@JohnSmith-zk8xp]

It is.

[@mrks998]

@@JohnSmith-zk8xp its not

[@sunainapanthy5953]

3:21 - 3:26 he is asking questions feel like Borish Johnson is talking

[@luismoreira3711]

In finland prison paradace the garden of éden

[@jennapedersen2286]

as a finn, i think it's great that they get a chance to live a "normal life" even behind the bars. but i do agree that the punishments should be a little bit harder..

[@KaregoAt]

Harder in what way? Longer time or more restrictive?

[@goldythehavanese7532]

Its not a punishment its a rehab

[@KossolaxtheForesworn]

as a finn I think our court system is way too lenient and the punishments should be harder. generally it tends to be slap on the wrists even for hardcore murderers and other other pillagers. we also have people who should not see the light of day ever again and yet the system treats them practically with silk gloves. tho I did read that we might get rid of the first time offense so that we can punish people harder even on their first time. this has been caused by the increasing crime rate that the immigrants have brought with them. like the terrorist who stabbed people in turku, he got a life sense not too long time ago. tho does it mean its just 6 years and then few years on parole. doesnt need to be an expert on the matter to know that if this maniac gets out his gonna do it again within two months.

[@sebastiantiainen2749]

MrAnimepredator a life sentence is a life sentence, you'll get out on parole after an average of 12 years but the terrorist will sit 20 before anyone even considers parole, and after that he'll be sent back to Morocco. People downplay the sentences too much. As an example, a hefty fine is worse than a year in prison. The problem with the finnish judicial system is that it is way too slow

[@stedysteelsted9174]

In finland death penalty comes only in form of revenge kill / planned murder by some one whos family/life u ruined cause that gives u max 15 years

[@Amateur_Pianist_472]

No, what you should do is not take in illegal migrants, don’t make the system harsher on your own people. You’re using feelings more than your mind. We feel that punishments should be harsher but when looking at the evidence, we see that the finish way equals lower crime. It may seem soft but evidence doesn’t lie.

[@rikuvakevainen6157]

Tavallisesti itse olisin myös kovempien rangaistusten kannalla. Valitettavasti en ole löytänyt yhtään tutkimusta, jotka osoittaisivat, että kovat rangaistukset vähentäisivät rikollisuutta. Päinvastoin.

[@torpmorp1324]

Stedysteel Sted there’s no death penalty in Finland

[@yuvraj9797]

basically they're out of parole the moment they get into jail

[@keriddunk1520]

So wouldn't it encourage people doing crimes? Like so say someone wants to commit a crime , he wouldn't have to fear the consequences. The worst is a limited freedom resort

[@user-wr3gt4ji8g]

Привет из России.

[@Aprikuusi2003]

finland isnt in scandinavia. boo you french media

[@tiernanwearen8096]

Where is it then?

[@Aprikuusi2003]

@@tiernanwearen8096europe

[@saraan5034]

Yeah, only a part of Lappland is "scandinavian" but the country itself is european.

[@tiernanwearen8096]

@@Aprikuusi2003 you could argue that from Lisbon to Moscow is Europe

[@blackcoffeebeans6100]

@@Aprikuusi2003 Finland is a Nordic country

[@aaro3455]

2 of the 3 guys were refugees😅😅 who could have guessed😂😂

[@jinxd511]

No its the new comers a.k.a Refugees.. Also most unemplyoed

[@sammakkotonttu]

Juuso Peltoniemi, the American is not refugee so maybe the two ”refugees” were his billiards partner and the lamb feeder both of whom were not native Finns

[@jamison1323]

@@Rehunauris no buddy

[@jdjGSHBFjh68827]

This should be the stuff given to people who have committed petty crimes, honestly.

[@rackadactal3044]

We Americans have a sense of entitlement that other countries don’t” I’m afraid of Americans “ is the soundtrack for America I always hear it

[@ph11p3540]

This works on first time, soft core criminals. Give them lifeskills and value added skills and they can rejoin society. This is the only kind of criminal Scandinavian countries see. Non have experience with the hard core violent criminal whos main motivation is violence, brutality and cruelty as an end to itself. For thise kind of criminal, they dont want to work in any legitimate job, nor can you trust them not to turn on you. For these kinds of people there is only permanent segregation from open society in a high security prison. Did you know the most dangerous countraband item in a prison is a cell phone, tablet or laptop computer. It allows locked up gang leaders to coordinate all kinds of major crimes beyond the prison.

[@Leon612]

This only works in homogenous societies. I envy this.

[@Hazzelnot94]

Leon612 Based on what empirical data? Has it been tried in other more mixed societys likes France or the US? What has been proven is that recidivism is higher in those states that only see prison as a punitive tool rather than a rehabilitative tool.

[@mikrokupu]

The Nordic countries are not that homogenous anymore

[@khatack]

homogenous SMALL societies.

[@paleemperor5379]

lol none of the inmates who were interviewed were actual Finns judging by their accents

[@altsu505]

´+5000Kone Norway's "hotel prisons" are way worse than normal ones, Suicide rates there are way higher because people are isolated from social contact.

[@theblacksal]

I lost some important documents and must go to a police station (it merged with a jail). That place smelt like a public toilet, dim light, and I really don't want to see more because the smell itself made me wanted to puke 🤢

[@lexluthor6497]

Life quality.Do you want nazis or somewhat normal people.You get what you give.some criminals are very fast thinking brains and if you give them a challange or a chance they might just choose booring tax paying life.or not but every time one out of two choses the booring not interesting way you cut the crime rate down 50%.what they are doing wrong in the states is for example is going full out violence on the most brutal people there is.I am a very big guy and if I get 4 guys are screaming in my face I go mental but if a lovely polite half my size lady ask me in a nice way I just might do what she wants just because I don't want to ruin her day.Of course there is a risk but if you send in two people one lovely charming for talking and one big for muscle it should work just fine.Ok this does not work on junkies or sick people.If a old grannie starts to make you food and you have a problem with that you are gone.grannies rule!

[@Muumihullu]

Note that all the prisoners were foreigners

[@Amateur_Pianist_472]

All three of them... yeah 1/6 prisoners are foreign and most of them are Estonian and Russian.

[@mikaveekoo]

We noted no such thing.

[@k85]

You had to wait for the Finnish-American prisoner to tell the plain truth. Works for some, not all.

[@Hazzelnot94]

k8500000 Because the prisoner has gone through the statistics, analysed it and published a peer-reviewed paper. The American system clearly does not work, why not try another system?

[@Bruh-jr2ep]

Simon Eriksson This!

[@etbedtalksAOH]

In finland offenders hide for fun before getting arrested.

[@notapplicable4567]

Can you comit muder and go to one of these prisions? And lets have a converstion about that, i think this is brilliant idea but lets get to the problems with it.

[@poplar6658]

Yes you can

[@wobbly_bubbly1235]

Even if america does this kind of thing It be a idiotic idea

[@susanna8612]

Free 🎱 pool, gym, basketball, farms so on and outside many jobless Finnish people cannot afford even go to gym.

[@toinenosoite3173]

Bull in so many ways.

[@freezedeve3119]

i bet you can find free gym if you look enough or if you are really poor you can ask social security to pay for your gym.

[@susanna8612]

@@freezedeve3119 No you cant in Nordic countries and social security does not pay any money to hobbies. Maybe if you are "refugee" they will but If you are local, no chance.

[@freezedeve3119]

@@susanna8612 you are asking it for wrong cause, it is not hobby it is for your health.

[@ThePiitteri]

I basically went to free gyms for 10 years. Not that hard to find

[@Unnatural09]

Punish the crime not the person, punish them by taking their time away.

[@Dwarvenforge89]

This will never work in America

[@shoopshoop7650]

Boy why are you a colarado boy with a confederate flag? Shouldnt you be somewhere in the south?

[@MairusPleilinen]

@@shoopshoop7650 cringe

[@poplar6658]

It will

[@tiernanwearen8096]

Why not?

[@KaregoAt]

Not with that attitude.

[@blagoevski336]

F

[@JohnSmith-zk8xp]

In north america, this would be a dream. I am sure if people could walk away from work and life they would live like this the rest of their lives. Better off.

[@exoticbutter4298]

Welp in finland the normal life is still beter than prison

[@terencegurung7979]

I love 💝💝😘

[@s2kyy]

You too 💕😘

[@olwynskye417]

What's up with Finland wanting to be a part of Scandinavia? It's fine to be just Nordic.

[@jyrki2275]

Its More of foreigners saying its from scandinavia most finns know its nordic

[@blackcoffeebeans6100]

You are wrong. Finns do not like if Finland is called scandinavia. It is not different anyway.

[@user-vq9lr6ss4z]

We are not part of Scandinavia? Sometimes america news just dont know what we are so they use wrong term :I

[@apruszynkap5423]

missähän on mahdettu kuvata oon ollut jokasessa avotalossa suomessa lappia lukuunottamatta mut ei oo video SUOMESTA!!! eikä vankilat

[@mikaveekoo]

Hehe...

[@SavolaxMitsu]

Tule joskus käymään täällä isolla kirkolla, tuolla Itämeressä on sellainen saari kuin Suomenlinna.

[@amberdee3806]

I'd like to know what most of these people did....hate speech? Thought crimes? Should make you think and wonder. It helps people adjust to the "new" life.

[@raskolnikov7049]

drug crimes, the "thought crimes" are more of a swedish and british thing.

[@Coyak-]

they will not change because they enjoy the life they live

[@fraenzchen85]

Like your last braincell..

[@stephenogbodo1328]

Incentivizing criminality?

[@PM-gf1nj]

On the contrary, incentivizing good behaviour and societal conformity in prisoners. No one does crime because they _might_ have a chance of going to work as a part of their sentence if they are deemed suitable. However, they might stop future criminal activity once given a chance at a normal life and shown how it is done. There's more crime when there are more marginalized people. The aim is to demarginalize ex-convicts.