A Conversation with Mary McDougall, The Mother Of Low-Fat, Oil-Free Vegan Cooking | Chef AJ LIVE!

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Here is the lasagna recipe Mary talked about: www.drmcdougall.com/recipes/spinach-lasagna/
The BBQ Jackfruit recipe: www.drmcdougall.com/recipes/bbq-pulled-jackfruit/
Mary McDougall IS the original whole-food, plant-based vegan and creator of thousands of low-fat, oil-free, vegan recipes.
The McDougall Program is a leading medical program that heals chronic illness through professional medical care, world-class education, and ongoing support for people transitioning to a starch-based lifestyle.
In addition to raising a family, she is the author of 13 national bestselling books, 5 of which were her own cookbooks. She starred in many cooking videos and TV shows, is the co-owner and operator of McDougall Adventures, Inc. and is an instructor of the McDougall Program.
Mary is a retired nurse, homemaker, co-founder of the McDougall Program and co-author of 13 national best-selling books. Over the past 50 years, Mary has worked with Dr. John McDougall caring for people using diet therapy to restore health and has created over 3,000 health-supporting recipes. Mary is best known as the inventor of low-fat, vegan cooking, and loves sharing the practical methods of turning the kitchen into a health-builder for the whole family. Prior to 1977, when Mary began her work in the kitchen, low-fat recipes contained skimmed milk, white meat, and other unhealthy ingredients and vegan recipes were loaded with vegetable oils. Now there are dozens of websites and cookbooks that focus on the McDougall health-supporting way of eating.
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VIDEO CHAPTERS
00:00 Guest introduction and what Dr. McDougall and Mary ate early on
0:18:50 Chef AJ and viewer Q & A including what it's like to be married to Dr. McDougall
1:01:40 Continued Chef AJ and viewer Q & A
1:41:27 Final thoughts and show wrap

[@missiris1234]

Besides having a great personality Mary is a genius. John knew who he was marrying! We love Mary❤️

[@anniekcr]

Mary is my hero! ❤ I’m so thankful for her work developing wonderful healthy recipes and great cooking techniques. After attending the live-in program when it was at St. Helena years ago, I learned how to ditch oil, and so many other harmful foods. Thank you, Mary!

[@ashleypullen4906]

Thank you 🙏🙏🙏 the KZbin thumbs up 'like' is not enough for this video....I need a love button ❤️ Awesome Chef AJ and Mary. You've helped me so much here in England. 56 pounds lost now, its been easy and I'm so much healthier. Wow!!! Thank you so much 🙏❤️👍

[@CHEFAJ]

Wow, thank you

[@courag1]

We’ve been living WFPB together since my husband’s prostate cancer, I was eating this way for 5-6 years first. And I transitioned slowly as I wasn’t sure how to do Plant-Based. But I figured it out. In the beginning my husband did not even want to try what I was cooking and then he said that it gave him loose stools. So I went at it slowly for him and then he had no other digestive problems. He enjoys what I cook and I haven’t used too many recipes as I had cooked without recipes for years saying “this would tasted good” and it was. There are ways to keep food moist like adding sautéed onions with mushrooms over a baked yellow potato. I put my homemade salsa on many things or add some fat-free Italian dressing on the potato and a seasoned pepper. Tastes good. My digestion is so much better. My husband likes putting butter on things yet and he takes a blood pressure pill to make up for his stubbornness. But he is mostly there and his health at 70 is so much better than most all men at his age. I take no meds unless I have an infection. I am 69. I save the water leftover from cooking vegetables and then use this to add the feeling of moisture that the oil gives food. It beats cancer as that is what my mother and sister died of. Can’t bring them back but I don’t honor them by eating myself to death.

[@blubbsdiblubbs3418]

Thank you for your work, Mary McDougall ❤

[@peter5.056]

Mary McDougall should have her own cooking show on PBS. The channel "Create" would go for it.

[@peter5.056]

@@angelafischettifitness Or her own PBS special, like Fuhrman and Barnard did some 15 or 20 years ago, during the PBS fundraising telethon. People who donate a certain amount would get Mary's cookbooks, McDougall's lectures, and for the big donors, a nice new SCANPAN. I'm going to email Mary and ask her if she'd be interested in that.

[@standinhope8668]

She is a lovely person and I learned so much from her through her oil free cooking demos back in the day. Thanks for sharing!

[@lynnruddell7852]

Mary is a wealth of information for women! Let’s face it most women decide menus for the family. Love her simple approach please have her on again, thanks AJ. I laughed out loud when you said that you carry a potato in your purse! Best advice ever!

[@sandray7609]

Mary McDougall is such a positive person. I loved the interview. It feels like having a new friend to talk to. Sorry I missed out on the adventure cruises - they sound wonderful

[@torikamppi1361]

So much fun and so interesting to see how upbeat both AJ and Mary are during this interview!

[@CastledarkDweller27]

So replacing arthritic worn out finger joints with silicone fake knuckle joints made for a "FUN OPERATION" Mary??? That's hilarious. Also an oxymoron i reckon. lol You are truly ONE OF A KIND MARY! Doc McD really hit the jackpot marrying you! And we all are SO lucky to have access to your recipes, your words, your experiences as the original & most valuable true health pioneer! Thankyou as always darling Chef A.J for bringing Mary to us to share her wisdom. Love & appreciate u both, from a grateful old vegan hippy, living out bush ~ Australia.

[@barrbuff]

Love Mary!! So nice to see her solo!❤🍉🍅🫑

[@lynnruddell7852]

Yes, we women need more Mary solo, she is so inspiring!

[@pattiarmstrongstefaniak6841]

Wow! What a great show! And kudos to you, Chef AJ, for having Mary without John. They are a great team, and, she is absolutely delightful on her own. Truly loved the chocolate without the peanut butter! 🙏🏻

[@heatherkrueger5550]

What a treasure! Thank you AJ for having her as a guest!

[@susaniaccino2565]

Love, love, loved hearing Mary speak. She has definitely led an interesting life. Please have her back again.

[@pantameowmeow.s.1149]

I enjoy seeing John and/or MAry on your program, it's like having your "old" friends over. Their voices are so familiar to me. I look foward to them dropping by to speak with you.

[@melyndaduh3501]

I've just watched the first four minutes so far and Mary has me is stitches talking about how she would open a can of stewed tomatoes for her supper, always had cereal for breakfast and then married John who told her he wanted bacon and eggs for breakfast and meat as main course each meal LOL. My how they have changed.

[@torikamppi1361]

What a dear and darling, humble and loving lady ... God bless you, Mary.

[@torikamppi1361]

Mary was born in 1947 so she is 76 years old. Blunt cut would reveal her YOUTHFULLNESS.

[@traceykaminski7874]

This was great as always! 😍 She definitely is the Mother of Low Fat Vegan Cooking!!! 🥦🍉🥬

[@cindystrother7710]

You are a Awesome COOK MARY

[@catherinekasmer9905]

Mary is delightful!

[@julieholmes946]

Definitely, Mary should be recognised in the Hall of Fame. Hear! Hear! I’ve had it easy by comparison - I just google.

[@christinadennis1223]

Hi Mary very excited to watch this. Sending love to you from the UK 🇬🇧😁

[@maamemyk9756]

Beautiful soul, i really enjoy listening to this woman. This is my first time hearing about Mary McDougall:-)

[@holliecarson3429]

Berlin Bakery uses Spelt to make everything and everything is so good! I love the old fashion sourdough

[@karencastle412]

Love Mary McDougal! What a top notch lady. Very inspiring

[@beanburrito8903]

🤣🤣🤣 Mary is so patient and loving. Some one else would have been like "John if you change our diet one more time ha ha ?" 😂 ❤️ 💙 💜 we love you both. 😍

[@moniqueprouten9109]

Amazing interview!!! I had things to do but couldn't stop watching. You are both so interesting to listen to. It's like having a great visit with amazing friends ❤️ and learning at the same time. Thank you for sharing!

[@CHEFAJ]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@Elaine-ek6gm]

😊Really enjoyed this podcast, have Mary on more. Love all your podcasts Chef AJ.

[@lisengel2498]

I just love the starch based whole plant based life style - its so tasty, you feel satisfied and you get such a High energy - and as a matter of fact the generation of my grandmother had this as a kind of basic knowledge. And fish and meat was very tiny amounts and in case of being ill just quite without anything but potatoes and carrots and parsley - very simple and very effective 🙏🌷❤️thank you for all your good work and inspiration

[@monaantony9096]

Chef Aj you are my inspiration being Indian I struggle to get my point across to people about oil free vegan cooking They think I’m extreme and are always in my case to gain weight though I feel good The last attempt they made was to force me to drink Ensure I can identify with the lady having no support to be vegan But one sliver lining is your daily KZbin videos Much gratitude thanks n respect

[@pavs43]

Thank you Chef AJ so inspiring to hear Mary story

[@2t3hr7]

Love Mary!!

[@reneepelletier3021]

Mary McDougall is truly a gem!! Great episode, AJ💓

[@leem200]

For the lady that family is not vegan, what I did, and I had four foster care kids, I made vegan for me then added the sides, I make vegan spaghetti sauce then take my amount out, then add meat to the batch left for them. I would cook the meat a head of time, and freezer bag it Same with chicken, I cook it ahead of time. They did not know the difference. Tacos are good. I got an air fryer toaster oven, which helped a lot. I never made a big deal out of it. I'd cook there favorite things and meals, same with soup and big French bread or homemade bread with. Add meat to it after it was cooked and took mine out. Funny thing is many times they eat my vegan version and I have to make more for me. They request my vegetable ABC soup recipe for a meal. Also, Mary Lassana.

[@aplantbasedwife]

Lovely lady. I can relate to her in regards to the cooking experimentation. So many recipes have odd ingredients that are expensive and I wouldn't typically buy. To purchase them just for one recipe is a waste...so I do a lot of experimenting...LOL...my poor husband.

[@traceylynn3422]

Great interview Chef AJ I learned a lot from Mary, she is wonderful and I will be looking up her recipes. I think you are looking so gorgeous because you practice the smiling exercises everyday and keep the wrinkles away! You look much younger than your years.

[@heidinapflin2582]

Fantastic interview and VERY insightful!! Thanks so much AJ!!

[@khonda123]

That was so inspiring and heartwarming. I love it when Mums just talk about cooking for vegan kids and I can tell you, it is not easy. Thank you Chef AJ and Mary you are so good at what you do, thank you for sharing and the lovely way you do it. Mary just wrote history in a time without vitamix, kitchen aid, internet or vegan cook books. Dr. McDougall and Mary are a match made in heaven. Chef AJ, your shows are addictive, watching from Germany

[@CHEFAJ]

Thank you so much!

[@peter5.056]

I was blessed with a mother who insisted that I take two bites of a new food. And I thank her for my dislike of only 4 plant foods: fennel, cilantro, and.......ummmm..... make that TWO foods;) I literally LOVE everything else I've ever tried.

[@cindystrother7710]

Love slow cooker recipes

[@kefirheals7383]

Nice interview. Mary was being modest when talking about the difficulty in learning to fly a plane. My husband and I took flying classes. He did very well. I found it extremely difficult. There's a lot to learn about lift, thrust, drag, weight, airfoil, airstream, navigation, weather formation; FAA regulation, just to name a few things. I mean, the classes are overwhelming. I give her a lot of credit! I gave it up, while my husband did finish and was good at it. But I said "never again;" it's just not for everyone. But anyhow - I love her and John's books and Mary's recipes. I too love the lasagna.

[@kefirheals7383]

@@sherril.562 Ha Ha Ha - I totally get it. Trust me, I sure do.

[@cindystrother7710]

Love the McDougal's

[@Serendipity-gj2me]

Chef AJ, you always look so chic. That was such an amazing interview with two inspirational people.

[@CHEFAJ]

Thank you!

[@cherdarling6009]

❤The great women of healthy food , what a treat !❤

[@SheriAnne0711]

Enjoyed this video so much!!! Mary Mcdougall is such an inspiration to us all!❤️

[@payattention31]

Lovely interview. Thank you.

[@carolynlapota5495]

Loved this interview with Mary!! 👏👏

[@mariafortson6930]

Excellent interview!! I admire you both so much!! Always put a smile on my face!

[@springraynes]

I want to thank both of you for everything you share with all of us! I have learned so much about vegan cooking from you both. I love you both! Happy trails for now❤️

[@lamiabenbrahim8912]

Beautiful AJ and beautiful Mary 🌹

[@jillponce2802]

Time to get those Adventure Trips back on schedule!! Let’s start with Costa Rica, then Panama and we will play it by ear after that. Sound like a plan?

[@cindystrother7710]

Thank you so much chief AJ ❤️

[@amandaaussie-at-heart2735]

I enjoyed your discussion with Mary 👍👌

[@prettygirlsmom9567]

Wonderful! ❤

[@bitfinesse]

I think I’ve watched this video seven times now. One of my favourite videos here on KZbin. It sits right next to the video of Mary explaining what to do when you have to eat out. I do NOT lie; people who lie spend a LIFETIME on their knees 👊🏼

[@bonniespruin6369]

I'm the only vegan in our house. There is me, my grown daughter, and my husband, and sometimes the boys visit. We all do our own grocery shopping and cooking. When my boys visit, they either cook for themselves or my husband cooks for them. I end up doing a lot of dishes, but it works for us.

[@bonnies.d.1121]

Re: cooking pasta, Moon St. recommended cooking the macaroni and water together from the start. The bringing to boil happens fast, and you just have to guess at the plus-amount of water. I would like to ask Mary to create an Indian flavored -- and perhaps a Mex-flavored one also for a -- Kale-and-other-leafy-greens soup, something brothy and without beans..

[@dailyoccasions9539]

What a joy to hear Mary. Lovely lady lovely interview. Thank you AJ

[@CHEFAJ]

Our pleasure!

[@wtillett243]

Really great❤

[@veganseatyummyfoodtoo]

This was fantastic! What an incredible woman! Thanks Chef AJ for doing this and also to Mary for sharing so much. Oh I chuckled at the story about the food almost running out! We had a similar experience in Melbourne when Neal Barnard visited for a conference. Clearly the catering place didn't understand calorie density because we were all told we were "so greedy" when the food ran out - they provided such small portions and allocated less than 1 potato per person!!!!! For those in Australia, the Mission Wholemeal Pizza bases are oil free and available in grocery stores :-) My family love them, but I'm flour free, so potato crust for me.

[@marlinfisher2529]

Mary has a great attitude and can do approach. I love cooking I left home when I was young and my mother did not use much oil or any animal fat she steamed vegetables. I love green beans - my late mother said the reason I grew so tall was because I ate so much green beans. Which I loved and eat a lot of. She used stainless steal Cookwear, and made vegetable juices before you could a descent juicer. When I was young.

[@mchagawa1615]

This really was such, such an amazing conversation! I could listen to you two talk all day :) Was so fun having Mary on by herself! Like peanut butter and chocolate xD that's such a fun comparison :3 thank you both so very, very much

[@zombiechinabear80]

Dr Mary is phenomenal. I agree with AJ, her outlook is fabulous. I want to understand how she seasons without salt. Especially beans. I grew up in Louisiana with salt pork. They’re yummy so it’ll b an adjustment

[@heidinapflin2582]

I absolutely love my curry made with potato, jack fruit and cauliflower, it is sooooooo delicious!!

[@kellycollins522]

Best Interview EVER❤️💯❤️

[@mirlametcalfe9627]

Omg 😂 Mary is so funny , thank you for this . My name is Mirla from Canada 🇨🇦 and I heard about Dr McDouall about 2 years ago and I went plant based right away cold turkey but my struggle is going out for dinners. My husband is not on board with me . I have stopped cooking for him because I refuse to cook with oils and meat and all that other processed foods so when I’m at home I eat well, I prep my meals but because he has to cook for himself he likes to go out and that’s where I give in and go with him. It’s been a struggle . I have lost 30 pounds and need 20 pounds more to go but I am stuck ,I am 50 years old and when I go out I don’t feel good even when I try and pick plant-based foods because everything has oils in it. I know the right thing to do but it’s hard when your partner is not on the same page as you, do you have any advice ? And thank you 🙏🏽 for everything that you guys do ♥️

[@kristymason7662]

My husband doesn't eat like I do and I don't know how to cook meat so I make my meals and he makes his meals. When we go out I mainly eat salads. Going to steakhouse restaurants are usually the easiest because I can get a plain baked potato, steamed broccoli, and a side salad.

[@agreeablegraylife]

Eat at home, and accompany your husband as he eats his meal, because you legit enjoy his company, which the sharing of is way more important than the sharing of food. Food does not equal love.

[@Riekie1970]

Thank you Chef AJ for this awesome video❤Can you ask Mary if you can make rusks witout oil or Vegan margarine?

[@vinnettepope8255]

Awesome 👌 👏 👍 😍 interview 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 ❤❤❤

[@monaantony9096]

Thank you for this wonderful podcast Mary and chef Aj

[@CHEFAJ]

You're welcome!

[@juliehamel4518]

Love You Chef AJ ♥ please have Mary on more often ! Thank You God Bless You ♥

[@CHEFAJ]

Thank you!

[@Mz.Chingona619]

My hubby did not care for leftovers either ohh but he learned real quick 😂😂😂

[@torikamppi1361]

Carbohydrate craving = dessert craving. BRILLIANT

[@traceykaminski7874]

Forgot to say I would love her cooking demo. 💜 I have their Starch Solution book! 🥰

[@jgrysiak6566]

She has a couple U tube Videos on eating plant based. She's good!

[@trishfish1184]

All I can say is the Universe has provided Mary, John and Chef AJ to humanity to better understand and model wise, brilliant, life giving brilliant food solutions to honor our body and planet. What an incredible life you are living and generously shared. PURE LOVE YOU HAVE GIVEN US ALL. I live in daily gratitude for you and all your good works. Thank you and bless you.♥♥♥

[@torikamppi1361]

AJ looks absolutely radiant during this interview!

[@CHEFAJ]

Thank you!

[@spiritwomanwarrior4211]

Great interview. How long ago was the interview done?

[@cindystrother7710]

SO ARE you CHIEF AJ

[@debhadden205]

Gluten free celiac McDougaller here. Tinkyada noodles are the best! I'm loving this interview. Thank you Mary and Chef AJ!

[@CHEFAJ]

Our pleasure!

[@cindystrother7710]

MY son in-law Mom is a nurse AND they all think I have lost my mind 😂

[@lynnruddell7852]

My family also, I feel your pain! Press on, we will be the only ones healthy to look after them in the end.

[@torikamppi1361]

I may start my day with a baked potato and broccoli for a while as as an experiment. :)

[@frasermackay9099]

Looks like Joni Mitchell. Can she sing as well?😃

[@bonniespruin6369]

Great video! I love your outfit, Chef AJ!!

[@CHEFAJ]

Thanks so much!

[@bonniespruin6369]

@@CHEFAJ 💖💖

[@shantianita3282]

Soulmates

[@pantameowmeow.s.1149]

I bought the 12 day book when it came out after seeing it on a special table for new books - the cover is what attracted me. I was 24? Anyway... I read the recipes and made none, not one. At that time of my life things like baking were still important, but I never got around to making the apple muffins. I actually thought I had to eat like in the book. Nope, not so. Later on I started cooking more "exotic'" things, read the newsletters and yet - never once made any of the recipes. The last 8 or 9 years I just go for the fast foods - simple: potatoes, oatmeal, eat the vegies raw unless I have to ccok them, l make 500 gm batched of my own beans and freeze them. I like it that way too.

[@danslagh2040]

Chef AJ.....Look so pretty today!!! (Jane)

[@CHEFAJ]

Oh thank you!

[@utrnagel9441]

❤️

[@peter5.056]

At 50:40 I finished Mary's sentence for her, "simple foods...." I actually said it in lockstep with her. (It's the "secret recipe" you were asking about, AJ!)

[@peter5.056]

Restaurants quite simply cannot afford to stay in business without the cheap calories of oil. That all-you-can-eat buffet? It's probably 60% calories from the cheapest vegetable oil money can buy. If you took the oil out the buffet, people would simply be able to eat too much without getting full, along with the fact that they'd [restaurants] be forced to use top quality ingredients for the food to taste good without it [oil].

[@peter5.056]

Ancient Romans cooked with olive oil, but it was pressed from fresh olives, and bore only a passing resemblance to the stuff we can buy today. Have ever had fresh-pressed olive oil in Florence? I have, and it is....WOW! It's an EXPLOSION of flavor, and you simply couldn't use too much of it, lest it dominate the flavor of your meal. It's bright, slightly lemony, quite peppery, astringent, tannic, and packs a gut-punch of umami. I would be fine with anyone cooking with THAT stuff, simply because by its nature, you wouldn't overdo it.

[@aplantbasedwife]

My husband is gluten free so all my pasta dishes are gluten free...you'd never know!!!!

[@cindystrother7710]

MY family thinks I lost my mind 😂

[@CHEFAJ]

Wait till they see your results!

[@FREDAFMK]

Walmart has no boil rice noodles

[@aplantbasedwife]

Boy when you talk about the animal fat...it's just so gross LOL

[@Marjie73]

Not everyone can afford to go to the retreat

[@barbettecaravaggio7675]

Mary looks so, so much older than her biological age :(

[@Scor-ah]

Well aren't you a ray of sunshine

[@rajr20234]

Really? She looks gorgeous, smart and healthy to me!

[@Scor-ah]

@@happycook6737 Not everybody her age really cares what other people think they look like...lol I am 65 and spend a lot of time bicycle touring. I don't wear make up any more and have let my hair grow out cause I dont keep up with fashion. I look at her beautiful skin and the twinkle in her eye to access beauty. Life is too short and getting shorter all the time to worry about such things.

[@phoenix-nd8rj]

Beauty comes from the inside out...Mary is stunning 🌟

[@cantstoplion]

🧡