A Directive From This Office | The West Wing

“Don’t do what you’re doing...”
Season 1 Episode 2: Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc
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[@SwordVirtue]

"This administration doesn't need an opposition party! We do fine by ourselves!" Well put!

[@GBTCO2b]

'I don't understand, did you slip, or something'. Always makes me smile.

[@briang9581]

It's tough to spend nearly 8 years being practically invisible while periodically reminding the public that you actually do exist. A VP must demonstrate that they are capable and independent, but not too much of either until it's their time. They should have a noble cause that neither the administration nor the public cares much about - like the environment or child labor. The most important concern for a VP is not to embarrass themselves or outshine the boss... and of course, be ready to step in at a moment's notice and literally save the world - no pressure.

[@reader1956]

I really, really liked Tim Matheson as the VP. He was terrific.

[@johnmcmullen3154]

Good...but not as good as the cucumber scene in "Animal House."

[@jameshisself9324]

Good at getting his ass handed to him

[@vickicole4787]

I loved John Spencer so much. Leo McGarry would back people to the hilt, but if you stepped out of line like Hoines did, you were toast. John did such an amazing job at showing both the soft and hard sides of Leo. Still miss him!

[@andyh4518]

Hoynes being bitter and feeling left out makes a lot more sense once they reveal how he actually joined the ticket. At this point Leo doesn't know the whole story either, so he thinks Hoynes is a sore loser behaving like an immature kid.

[@nanomage]

To be fair though, wouldn't be the first time a VP acted that way.

[@ThiagoNascimelo]

Hoynes didn't disclose his alcoholism either, so he is kind of a hypocrite.

[@stefsmurf]

@@ThiagoNascimelo In fairness to Hoynes, he hasn't had a drink in over 20 years, it's not as if he didn't have control over it, unlike Bartlet. While not fatal by itself, MS can and did in the season disable the president for over 24 hours right before an important event (SOTU). And until Hoynes was the nominee, there was no reason to disclose such issues about himself. (There are murky waters regarding how much the VP discloses. Usually, it has been the same as the president, but honestly, other than a true clean bill of health, not sure more disclosure is in most candidates best interests. (google Thomas Eagleton for why not)) Hell, just in 2008, McCain refused to disclose his medical records outright, and Trump AS PRESIDENT barely released anything other than what a high school physical would show. Fair or not fair, there is no law that says what should be disclosed, only precedence. Hoynes kept Bartlet's secret, and was still treated as an outsider. In his hands, he held Bartlet's future, and never fumbled, and was still treated like crap for much of his 1st term. If bitterness is all that came out of it, for all his foibles, I'd say Hoynes handled himself reasonable well.

[@shuttlecrossing1433]

Was it because he knew about MS and Bartlett originally only planned to serve one term?

[@bobbimorse8460]

i think my only problem with the bartlet administration is their philosophy that a “small group of people can change the world”. yes that’s true but think how much easier it would be if they actually used the several qualified people who worked at the white house! exhibit a - white house council was never present exhibit b - secretary of state was almost never included. bartlet, leo and toby ran foreign policy

[@jcs1025]

Moira Kelly as Mandy was just bad casting. Good actress, wrong role. However, Tim Mathewson as John Hoynes was perfect casting.

[@melissamarsh2219]

Every time I watch the early episodes I forget how annoying Mandy is

[@jcs1025]

@@melissamarsh2219 yep…she didn’t last.

[@cards0486]

I never liked Mandy. I can’t remember the if a reason was given when she was gone. I was just happy she was gone.

[@melissamarsh2219]

@@cards0486 no reason, she just went on a bus to Mandyville

[@Tleilaxu0]

Mandy by herself was fine. I think her main problem was that her job was to constantly fret over public image, which consistently put her on the wrong end of the show's message. Essentially, she became a quasi-antagonist to the main cast.

[@fooman2108]

Leo doesn't even have to; 'WHATS NEXT!'

[@ericoberlies7537]

That “Come on” was a very Rob Lowe “Come on”.

[@ShopFloorMonkey]

Mandy is an arrogant, irritating, disrespectful, petulant child who actively works against her own interests and and makes herself a liability to those around her. Of all of the characters Sorkin has written I understand her, and the need for her at all, the least!

[@bored1ca]

I'm still surprised that Jonny Quest grew up to be the VP (google Tim Matheson and you'll know what I'm referring to)...

[@danwallach8826]

Sometimes I feel bad for John Hoynes, but I usually get over it.

[@deBebbler]

It's his own fault for not making a choice between pre-med and pre-law back in undergrad at Faber College

[@mattep74]

Should not leo say good night mr vice president? Also, hoynes was loyal to leo when it mattered and told him about the aa meeting disguised as a poker game

[@aph1976]

Maybe Hoynes knew that professionally he and Leo have to be at odds at times but personally they can get along.Also don't forget that Hoynes was shocked in season 3 when he found that Leo never revealed to the president that Hoynes was an alcoholic and so maybe that was a sign they were friends and people who would keep each other's secrets.

[@jesusthroughmary]

Earlier in the scene when the door was open Leo called him "Mr. Vice President".

[@robertpolityka8464]

At the beginning of the conversation, there were other people in the room and the dialogue started on a positive note. At the end of the conversation, it was a more negative tone..and there were only ones in the room

[@genegade]

Mandy was so insufferable to watch. Was so glad when she was gone

[@edscott2433]

Whenever I binge watch TWW I start with the first episode of Season 2. They did a bad job writing Moira Kelly's character. Just bad.

[@NickKnowsATrick]

First!!

[@haroldgeorge892]

“Cause I’ll win, and you’ll end up playing celebrity golf for the rest of your life.” 💀🪦🥀