A Flawed Camera | S5 II X Downsides

[@pureheartvisuals]

Bro, you are splitting hairs, I shoot Events with 4 of these. lol. Your real issue is matching your personalization. I wouldn't say it wasn't made for Videography, it wasn't made for you and how you like things set. I have AF Down with this one. You should have returned it, anything that hampers your productivity doesn't need to be in your bag.

[@OscarCloud]

Strongly disagree with you but each to their own Deffo has flaws but calling this camera mediocre for video is just silly

[@Studiotek]

He's obviously talking about it being mediocre FOR A VIDEO CAMERA... His entire point was that it shouldn't have been marketed as a video camera... It should have been marketed as a photography camera that has video capability (like how they marketed the regular S5II). They acted like it was going to be a FF GH6 or something, and it's obviously not.

[@Yupthereitism]

@@Studiotekbut it’s not mediocre for a video camera

[@Studiotek]

@@Yupthereitism It's still the best HYBRID FF mirrorless camera for video, if that's what you're saying... I think we're all saying the same thing, just using different words to say it. I personally prefer hybrid cameras because then I don't have to purchase a separate camera for photography. You just have to realize what you're giving up to gain a photography camera as well. That's all

[@TvBoxHead]

​@Studiotek actually the best video cam is the fx3

[@OscarCloud]

@@TvBoxHead didn’t say s5iix was better than the fx3, just disagreed that it’s a bad camera- I use it for professional video work every day with no issues

[@SMGJohn]

Why do people make such bad videos? Imao, calling this a flawed camera is most ridicules thing I heard yet. Whats so wrong with it? Other than 4k60p having an APS-C crop, its near perfect, its got a fan, its got all the codecs in the world, records RAW to a SSD, records forever, runs on USB-C power. Holy smokes man, whats the matter with you?

[@JpBoudreaux]

"Oh no I put this screw in clamp on the ports and it doesn't let me tilt the screen...."

[@imabigsandwich1292]

The high base iso is caused by the log profile, usually the more highlight stops a log profile has, the higher the base iso would be. Because the full well capacity of the sensor will stay the same no matter what profile u use, so the raw data all technically clip at the same point, but by making a really flat profile u effectively can underexpose and then push the image brighter and make a really flat low contrast image to maintain max dynamic range, and that's why shadows are always more noisy in log too, cus you are pulling up the exposure from a underexposed image to preserve more highlight detail.

[@joesteals]

💯Screen position and crop factor.

[@jeremypope-levison721]

Honestly! I've talked with so many people about the screen. One of my friends went to the gh7 from the g9 ii recently because of that. And crop 100%. It just gets in my way

[@DroneStories]

It is obvious that your video was made for clickbait reasons. WHERE DID YOU SEE Panasonic saying that the s5ii/s5iix is ​​a "cinema" camera? It is a hybrid camera, (both for photos & videos) THAT HAS CAPABILITIES, especially for videos, that other cameras that cost much more do not have. Really what is the shutter angle in Sony and Canon. I'm talking about the a7iv and the r6 mkii because those are the respective cameras the s5ii/s5iix should be compared to. Do they (the above 2 Sony & Canon cameras) have prores capability? Do they have the ability to write to ssd?. And ibis? AND OVERHEATING???

[@XploringPlacesFilms]

I've had mine for a little over a year. Great camera. I use it for run n gun travel videos. Stabilization is perfect. I shoot everything exclusively handheld, I don't carry any stabilizers or a tripod with me. I combined my S5IIx into a rig with Blackmagic VideoAssist and SmallRig V-mount batteries. A real small cinema camera. BRAW is wonderful to work with in DaVinci.

[@jeremypope-levison721]

I will completely agree that the blackmagic video assist really takes it to another level for sure. I'd say it brings it close to a RED Komodo. I still have issues with it, but definitely a good camera.

[@Pivot_Media_TV]

Why would anyone want to use cf express over an sdd? I just started using a gh5 for a b-cam and I am so spoiled on the sdd I guess I forgot how much fast sd cards cost. I really wish I had just bought a 2nd s52x now.

[@rivvidproductions]

Love the honest review of your experience with the camera! Can't say mine has been the same - I struggle with the AF a lot, but I know that's a "me" problem, lol. I personally don't have any issues with the 4K crop and have only noticed it a few times. The lack of function buttons, tally lamp, and screen articulation options (compared to the GH6) are all small annoyances, but overall I've had fun working with this camera. I've found the 640/4000 dual ISO comes in handy more often than not for me, but again, I am not doing as much outdoor shooting as you are. Would definitely like to hear your pros and how this camera has been an asset to your production kit!

[@jeremypope-levison721]

To be fair, I do love this camera. It's been fun to work with and it's just another tool in my arsenal. But with the work I do, every minute counts which is why the function buttons and screen design have me frustrated. I think I'm one of a few that do photo and video at the same events which is why the 4k crop stinks for me. That being said, it's still a great camera. Just wanted to get my opinions out there!

[@rivvidproductions]

@@jeremypope-levison721 I can definitely see the issue with the crop at events like that. I do photo/video as well, but we shoot & deliver in 1080 for those clients, so I never experience the crop, unless it's on one of my side projects. I'm also still learning and tinkering with my exact workflow, so I'm sure having one and having a piece of kit that doesn't play nice with that workflow is a bit frustrating. Either way, I still really appreciate the review! I'm a fan of the Lumix ecosystem and I think it needs a lot more recognition.

[@jeremypope-levison721]

@rivvidproductions I agree. Lumix is a great ecosystem. Been using my GH6 now for 2 years strong.

[@rivvidproductions]

@@jeremypope-levison721 I'll be two years with the GH6 in September. It was my first "real" camera purchase haha

[@jeremypope-levison721]

@@rivvidproductions it's such a great little camera

[@247.mp4]

I feel you, as a GH6 user i was pretty confused why they choose to go with 2 sd slots and a more photo centric body design when the X should've been the new Video Beast. My guess is that they saved all this stuff up for their S1H mk2. I remember the GH6 getting the screen design from the S1H.

[@jeremypope-levison721]

Yeah I feel like if it shoots prores it should have a faster slot but I do think they are saving it for the s1h ii, just want them to release that now

[@LCreeper575]

For the Port issue, have you tried 90 degree connectors? That seems like it could solve the issue?

[@jeremypope-levison721]

It wouldn't necessarily work because you'd need to find one's that work with the cable clamps, but even still, anything in those ports would block the screen. Just a bad design

[@pureheartvisuals]

@@jeremypope-levison721 J, how much are you willing to let it discount for, I will need another Body soon.

[@JeffBourke]

I think you took the marketing wrong. I never saw the “ii” as the stills centric camera. They are both video centric cameras and you are right, there is only a Few differences.

[@howardmcmillian5764]

was the auto focus complaint before or after the most recent update ?

[@jeremypope-levison721]

It was before. It's definitely gotten better. Still not at Sony level and I haven't tried the touch focus, but it's been improved thankfully and it's way more usable

[@pragmaticfilmmaking]

I don’t shoot with any of the S cameras, but having both the S5ii and S5iiX doesn't make sense. They should just have the GH and SH cameras for video, the S5ii and G9ii for hybrid, the SR for high-end photography, and a small photo orientated MFT camera intended for what the S9 is targeting.

[@jeremypope-levison721]

I agree. Just doesn't make sense but they did that haha. It's still a good camera but they marketed it roughly

[@tonnib]

Can you record (h265) 4k 60 on sd card?

[@TheGirlSkateBoardCo]

Bro is not making sense 💀 Couldn’t finish the video.

[@abhi14dec95]

I disagree with many of your points and calling this a mediocre video camera. As a videographer I have been using S5II for many of my professional work for a year now. And I can tell that other than 4k 60 crop nothing else has bothered me. For a price of 2000 or less this camera is a great value for money and the image that comes out of this is exceptional. Base iso I found to be more useful than Sonys 800. If it’s too bright I just put an ND. Overall what I understand from this video is for your requirements this camera is not for you but that does not mean it’s a bad video camera. I will say it again for sub 2000 dollar it’s a great video camera offering some features that only high end cameras provide.

[@JeffBourke]

Everyone disagrees with his points.

[@danymirabal]

This is a very amateur review 😅

[@callofangels7]

@@danymirabalhow should u be taken serious if u tell people they seem Amateure or their videos suck when u dont even have a single on uploaded

[@chrisfigley]

So I shoot a lot of real estate and I appreciate the 640 base ISO…perfect for darker interior. Also love that I can bump up to 4000 ISO for even darker scenarios. I do understand about that being an issue in bright sunlight.

[@jeremypope-levison721]

Totally. I prefer a lower base mainly because I do tons of outside work and it's really bright. Constantly using a 6-9 stop ND. But I love the 4000 for even darker times

[@hotcamp5363]

don't listen to the negative review its honestly, he's complaining on every little thing even tho its better than most camera's and it will be built in most cases negating all his complaints. I mean it shoots 6k apple prores raw and Braw 6k. I literally picked one up coming from a fx3 and fx6. I still have the fx6 and I rarely use that. this camera does pretty much every thing the fx6 does for a third of the price which makes building this camera and getting lenses a joy. the S series lenses compared with the camera is literally the best duo considering the price or not. I'm listening to the video again and want to shred this review but I will say that any button on this camera can be customized by holding it for 3 seconds then choose your function.

[@metreweli]

Now compare the same stuff with Sony A7iv.. Because they are on the same page.. You gonna find a lot more issues.. Reminder; S5ii is sub $2000 camera.. If you have premium money, you can buy premium camera fx6 for example

[@jeremypope-levison721]

Yeah true. But if you compare it to the Fuji X-H2S, the Fuji has better specs in some areas like opengate prores and opengate braw capabilities. Sure no shutter angle but it does have tally lights and a better hdmi/usb port placement plus cfexpress. So yes it's better than canon or sony I agree. I still love the camera, just have issues with it

[@metreweli]

@@jeremypope-levison721 X-H2s is a 1.5 crop.. Soooo.. There is no perfect camera

[@jeremypope-levison721]

@metreweli I agree there's no perfect camera. And yes it's a full crop though, so you can at least plan for it.

[@JeffBourke]

@@jeremypope-levison721the Fuji design is terrible. It has a “bolt on” external cooling no solution which from a mechanical design view is appaling.

[@Bigcookfilms]

The S5 ii x has the prores/B Raw options lol

[@JS-cu8bz]

I appreciate both this video AND the people taking the time to disagree with you. Respectful informtive discussion.

[@jeremypope-levison721]

I agree for the most part. Some comments have been unhelpful but obviously these are my opinions. I'm working on the positives of this video now, hope it'll be done this week

[@jesse6731]

If you are shooting 4k60 it has a 1.5 crop…what about the new firmware if you also shoot in the high E-Stab

[@AdamTroup]

If they released a full frame GH6 body with 50p/60p and 100p/120p with no crop like the A7siii that would be an insane camera. With the GH6 type body and the latest Lumix stabilization that would be a crazy amazing camera. If it had a 20 megapixel plus sensor that would make it the most amazing hybrid video/stills camera. One day...

[@jeremypope-levison721]

I wish! Would be a killer camera for sure

[@mynameisslimshady]

Do you still have the autofocus issue when multiple people in a frame after new firmware?

[@jeremypope-levison721]

Haven't had time to test in detail. It's better, but still finicky

[@FullFrameStudio]

Just keep in mind the 640 base iso is only for the vlog profile, if you do outside run and gun, and don't plan on colorgrading you can just switch to std profile and lower the iso down below 640

[@jeremypope-levison721]

That is true, but for the level of work I do, I don't give up the dynamic range. That's the only real minor gripe.

[@boomboxbaby1866]

and it is not Phase detect Af at 60p and above in 1080. it is still contrast af at 60p.

[@JeffBourke]

The reason they have 2 models is because they have to pay license fees for stuff like ProRes which some people are never going to need.

[@mynameisslimshady]

Jeremy, thx for the video! Appreciate your opinion, especially when most KZbinrs praise it. I also do like s5iix, but it’s not perfect and it couldn’t be perfect. And if the price were higher, for example, 800-1000 more - nobody would talk so much about s5iix. I think, Lumix s5iix is a great example of the courage of marketers (price) and engineers (hybrid features) of the company. But other than that, it’s just a good camera with its pros and cons: ff crop at 60fps, lack of OLPF, uncomfortable port position relative to the internal screen and slight image delay by hdmi-cable to external monitor. But this camera is still good, can’t wait next Panasonic’s hybrid camera

[@jeremypope-levison721]

No problem! Yes the lack of an olpf was another negative I forgot to mention. I've dealt with moire on this camera too. But it's still a great camera, but far from perfect

[@marin_real_estate_photography]

To be fair, if they put the features you miss from the GH6 (two X CFExpress, screen that both tilts and flips out, extra function buttons, tally light, etc.,) it would probably add on another $600 or so to the camera. It maybe was over-ambitious of Panasonic to designate it as "the video-focused camera), but I think what they were really trying to do was provide a version that was a bit cheaper that would have the features that photographers who don't shoot video want, hence, the non-X version S5 II.

[@jeremypope-levison721]

Possibly. I think if they made the X $2500, plus at least the screen and cfexpress and tally light, I'd be okay. I think that would have been awesome. The cropped 4k 60 and the screen are the biggest problems for me now. I'm constantly running into situations where the camera isn't wide enough in 4k 60, even with my 18-35. Frustrating. Could buy a 20mm for a full frame if it wasn't cropped. Now I gotta buy a 12-24 which is over $1000. Just annoying

[@TerryPagel]

If cameras are so good now that these published specs are considered flaws, then we are in a pretty great place!

[@Stash_Studio]

Great video and instant sub. I researched this camera to death before purchasing it but after getting my hands on it I found all the same frustrations as you when it came to usability. Looking forward to future videos!

[@jeremypope-levison721]

Well I'm sorry you didn't see this first! I figured somebody out there would have these problems too. I realize everyone has their own use case for the cameras, and to some this is nitpicking but these are issues I face every time using this camera

[@OrangeHouseMedia]

These cameras are excellent especially considering the price. I own two and the color science matches up nicely with my Black Magic cameras. My favourite feature is the IBIS. It’s so easy to grab b-roll with these cameras and not having to use a gimbal or tripod.

[@jeremypope-levison721]

They are definitely good cameras. I just find that for the work I do, I gravitate towards the GH6 way more than the s5 ii x. Except photography. For that, I love the s5 ii x. It's phenomenal. I still prefer a gimbal or tripod, but the ibis is definitely great

[@BearWithKris]

4K 60 crop on a fullframe mirrorless should be a thing of the past already.

[@jeremypope-levison721]

THANK YOU! It's so stupid.

[@VOKASINEMA]

It is very helpful. Thank you.

[@jeremypope-levison721]

Thank you for watching it!

[@Spencer_White]

For the cost.. 😆 what can anyone expect, it is incredible bang for buck.

[@trektn]

You rented the camera, tried it, and then bought it anyway despite fighting with the AF???

[@DroseMr]

Def redy for Gh6iix w 2cf express slots compatible w angelbird 4tb cfexpress . Internal prores raw and pdaf.😂 def outfiting Gh6 w Dji Focus pro and rs3pro both w Ninjas. You make points! Agree🎉.Thank You

[@jordanshipley448]

I've been rocking an S5ii and S5iix for the last 8 months and have been mostly loving them. I think your gripes are things I would have loved to see as well, but I also think you have to recognize the positioning of this camera. It's NOT a full frame GH6 (that's what the S1H line is supposed to be). It's a full frame G9II. Sure it would have been nice if it had tally lights and a few more customizable buttons, but those aren't things that cameras in this class usually offer, so I could just as well criticize Apple for not putting tally lights on my iPhone. I agree that the S5ii vs. X designation is probably not needed, but they were pretty clear about what the differences were so idk I think it's fine. For the AF - have you tried the new firmware? I've found that mine do a lot better job of differentiating subjects on the latest firmware they just released.

[@jeremypope-levison721]

So I realize it's not a full frame gh6 but the marketing of this camera was "look at these video specs and oh look first PDAF camera." I think they could have made things a bit different and still kept the S line from the S5. As for AF, I'm on the newest firmware and I'm still having tons of trouble. I've checked with many other users my settings and I still have tons of trouble with it so I'm not sure what's different about mine but it doesn't work like it should

[@jordanshipley448]

@@jeremypope-levison721 I think the reality is not that this is a bad camera, but that it's not the camera you really want. What you really want is the S1H II whenever it comes out.

[@jeremypope-levison721]

@jordanshipley448 i can agree. I've found it incredibly frustrating even for photos, but yes an s1h ii is what I need and the marketing behind this s5 ii x was that it was the video version of the camera, but still isn't quite a video centered hybrid

[@angelisone]

Companies are in full gears making 35mm format bodies for beginners & amateurs with video features than still.

[@aiseurnae5976]

I hope the S1II will not get the same internal processing than the S5II.

[@Fifthimagez]

Thanks for sharing!

[@jeremypope-levison721]

Thanks for watching!

[@ferdinandbardamu3945]

The responses to this video prove that consumers have been conditioned by influencers to not hear the flaws. Relax people, all he’s telling us is what bothered him compared to his other cameras.

[@jeremypope-levison721]

THANK YOU! These are all issues that I've personally had with the camera that have gotten in my way or made things difficult for me. I still use it a lot and I've made a review on the positives of the camera, but for people who do things like I do, which I know of many, these are major issues.

[@adidabax6809]

Wow, strongly, strongly disagree with so much in the first few minutes that I had to stop. Your complaint is they offer you 2 versions of a camera, one with extras and one without??? Weird.

[@TerryPagel]

I think he's mad at the marketing decisions.

[@game2572]

The GH6 is top of the line MFT S5 ii and X are entry level full frame and on sale often. So if you put everything on the S5ii it will kill most of the sakes of the GH6.

[@robertdouble559]

Sold mine. Not a fan. Just didn't gel with me.

[@Lunar_Films]

It’s not marketed as a video centered camera dude. It’s a hybrid

[@samuelboatengyt]

There are so many confusing parts in this video, that makes me think you didn’t really do your work before using the camera. For example you talk about customisation of the buttons, and say that there is only 1, without specifying if you meant on the front, so I will assume in general, which is a lie, any button you see on the camera can be customised at your need and like. So this is just one thing, then there are many others wrong infos here that I can tell you all of them if you wish. So please maybe just watch other KZbin videos about the camera, or go through the menu a bit more, because the are a bunch of miss infos in this video. But I respect your point of view and experience, but some of the things feel like user errors. But this is my point of view ofc, from someone who has went through deeply in to this camera, and can say what I am saying is quite right.

[@50450720]

Dude, it was defo made for video. Instead of nit picking, just look at what you do have with amazing value. Literally nothing comes close for the noney.

[@Cinovamedia]

Hearing all of this my mind wants me to just say "buy a Sony FX3" lol Thats why I personally got that camera due to no crop factor, amazing autofocus, lowlight etc. I do totally relate to the flip screen issue, even the FX3 didnt resolve that. I'd much rather have a flippy screen than not but yeah once you rig these cameras up the screen basically has to stay either flipped into the camera or out the side. I'm excited about the "pros" video. It's pretty fun to learn about other ecosystems cause I only know Sony, Canon, and Blackmagic, only used the GH5 a handful of times and while it wasnt my favorite camera it did a great job when we triple booked ourselves one day and our B and C teams got to use our Sony's and Canon cameras.

[@jeremypope-levison721]

Yeah I mean every camera has their issues. Up until recently sony didn't have a true 1/48, or shutter angle, plus it doesn't have opengate or external braw which is all stuff I use. And it's $4000, so compared to this which can do photos, I like the panasonic. These are just the gripes I have with it, but I wouldn't say don't buy it. There's pros and cons to every camera and I truly do love this camera.

[@filipmichalsaffray441]

Look About the screen with a lilmon 5 the problem is solved...I used the onboard pana screen with the info Arri style...just use the S5 in S35 Mode if you don't like the crop...I use FF when I know I don't need 50 fps... AF works fin in one area mode with super small search point...it is well knowed since GH5s S5 org that area + AF mode works the best then you need to fine adjustment the speed and sensitivity according to your need...GH6 is the same... GH6 base ISO is if you want to compare the Dynamik range to the S5iiX it is 2000 iso base in dynamic boost mode...if you don't use this mode you loose 2 steps of dynamic range...so when you talk about base ISO of GH6 it is not the truth...and the striking issues u forgot to mention...S5II don't have it...

[@nickdual]

I subscribed

[@mitchlazorko]

Very nice work on this video! Making me rethink Panasonic 📸

[@jeremypope-levison721]

It's definitely an interesting camera. Great one, but some flaws

[@hotcamp5363]

YEah I would say the only thing to think about is how fast you one to pick one up. the S5iix is considered a Demi God among camera's for video and photos. I mean it's so overpowering it's almost unfair how good it is. this review is complaining about non important factors even though it's still out performing other cameras.

[@millerrd0725]

This why you shouldn’t trust content creators with reviews, because they will they will pull a bad review out there butt just to get views lol

[@game2572]

The S5 had more features than the s5ii some of which ended up only on the x

[@Pivot_Media_TV]

The only thing flawed is this awful review

[@mamumonkan]

AND while the S5II may work for some :) HERE my beef with the Panasonic S system as a filmer and photographer. So while the S series may work for you :) For me it has one >>MORTAL FLAWMORTAL FLAW

[@oregonduc]

118 likes to over 3000 views. It’s the clickbait title that is off putting. If I remember when it launched and the content creators were flown out it was pressed as hybrid and not full fledged cinema.

[@richardpuleo4245]

Amazing how dislikes and preferences become flaws. Very unprofessional. But not surprising.

[@millerrd0725]

Bro you nick picking tbh , the reason you gave didn’t make any valid points on why this not a good video camera

[@halve_]

Spewing views from drama, yikes

[@danymirabal]

This review sucks 😅

[@bedenegative]

Why.

[@danymirabal]

This review is mediocre 👎🏼

[@Pivot_Media_TV]

Horrible take

[@Hakku1403]

S5 II is the worst camera , it has disgusting moire issues, extremely bad autofocus, no inbuild DP filter. Faces without using a mist filter look like oversaturated mummys. And first of all, the rolling shutter is the worst i´ve ever seen on a mirrorless cam. so bad

[@marionxah]

one of the worst reviews i have seen in a long time