A Forgotten Marvel Fighting Game | Marvel Nemesis: Rise of the Imperfects | Retrospective Review

In 2005, Marvel and EA signed a multi game deal with EA to produce a series of Marvel fighting games. The result was Marvel Nemesis: Rise of the Imperfects. Marvel Nemesis included characters such as Daredevil, Iron Man, Spider-Man, Venom, and Human Torch against original EA characters named, "The Imperfects." Marvel Nemesis received both poor critical and financial success, causing it to be the only game to release within the Marvel/EA contract. But was it really that bad though? In this video, we'll go through every detail of Marvel Nemesis and discuss where it went wrong, as well as what it did right.
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[@davidvilla5279]

This is one of those games that makes you feel like you’re from a different timeline because nobody I ever speak to remembers this game

[@themayhemera3046]

my fav game

[@shogun8816]

I remember I got this game for my birthday and I remember I first played it and really loved it

[@wxaviere1]

Big facts...but me and my friends would...we used have 1 to 5 dollar matches so pretty much a weekend fight club...shit would go down on Friday nights into Saturday..I remember when I realized they added continuity to the game mid fight when I web yanked a car and tossed it quick as hell at Venom...like that stopped the whole fight for about 5 secs..like everyone was like ooOoooooo yoo...hold tf up... me: ohhh yeahhhh! it's spider man!! I started throwing everything at my friend..cars, light poles, cans, mailboxes, a stray dog. Then madd fists. I didn't give af and ended it with a web swing kick to a rage finish for a legendary spiderman comeback.. im talking damn near no health! Added with the flute sounding theme song when the battle picked up...and it was just so epic!! Felt like a comic book Hahaha I believe it was over 65 dollars on the line..so this was a big fight haha and with spidermans quote you know what we call that? we call that a web slinging ass kickin'..... everyone just lost it hahaha super hot fire crew style lmao..So yeah only that crew remembers...anyone else nah...😆 🤣 but damn...man good times...😔

[@zackv3957]

I second that. Pretty weird how unique of a Marvel game it was and yet it didn't have much time in the sun. Fucking awesome game.

[@BROXBasher]

I played this game at McDonald’s back when they had it. Bought it as a kid, but felt kind of uncomfortable by the language so I had it returned for something else.

[@montecristosmith2343]

The game where I first heard Spidey curse. "You know what we call that, we call that a web-slingin ass kickin!"

[@luckyplvys]

“time to open a can of whoop ass”- the thing XD

[@toren2099]

I remember being like maaaaa Spider-Man cursed and she’s like bih u lying

[@rainofkhandaq6678]

Spidey was hilarious in the dark mode or whatever tf that was.

[@videocee]

"What a great day, for kicking ass" - Ironman

[@Jayo_businessmansavior01]

🤣🤣🤣 yess

[@invoked1019]

I feel like they could remaster this, add Doom and Cap to the main roster, tweak the auto target, lighting and it'd be totally worth it

[@ryanbellatorkingp4p1ranked53]

Cap was in the PSP version

[@freshtodef123456789]

Imagine this game in Unreal 5, With cool new Textures & Particle effects. Better & Responsive controls

[@orangemamba3269]

@@ryanbellatorkingp4p1ranked53 they traded for Wolverine.

[@SolidSnake240]

Nah if they ever revisited this property it should get a full remake. I feel like people are blinded by nostalgia cuz this game was janky as hell.

[@orangemamba3269]

@@SolidSnake240 a remaster would probably fix it along with newer online additions. But to be honest I would like to see a sequel more than a remake.

[@esrever777]

The character designs, the atmosphere, and the tone of the story was very immersive. Everyone looked scary and the places seem dystopian and lifeless as it was devoid of colors, really set the serious tone and it made you constantly look behind you to avert danger. This game is amazing! Wish we could get a remaster or reboot

[@vidar188]

It's a fun game but not amazing. The balancing issues are severe to the point where only 3 or 4 characters will ever win

[@pauls2066]

I remember watching the opening scene as a kid and seeing hulk get taken down by those gliders and going "bullshit" so loud my grandmother said "what did you say!?"

[@psychosaucepan4841]

I feel like someone has told me the same thing before

[@pugman9672]

Yeah that pissed me off too though I would be burnt again in terms of hulk because of endgames use of the character

[@pauls2066]

@@pugman9672 same like what the hell you could have done soooooo much more with him getting at least a few licks off of Thanos and still had your big moment at the end with Tony.

[@404georgianigga]

Fareal, I was pissed

[@connorlee3704]

You: "I'm sorry, Grandma. Let me rephrase that. *picks up megaphone* The Hulk getting killed was BULLSHIT, Grandma!"

[@thwipkid]

Nothing screams more 2000’s marvel than this game. The Ultimate/2000’s film inspired look, the edgy aesthetic, and the all around feeling that they kinda just didn’t really know fully how this project was gonna go or really what to do with it.

[@superior2096]

Pretty much.

[@noahknight4039]

Marvel was pretty awesome 2000 to 2010 though. A lot of classic looking hero designs. This game seems like the last gasp of the 90’s.

[@whodatninja439]

perfectly sums up licensed ea games from that era

[@BlockieStudios]

Storm's costume just really made me double take 😂😂 trying to imagine them making a game today with a belly top, thong, thigh-high six-inch heel boot wearing storm just made me laugh

[@thwipkid]

@@BlockieStudios I actually cringed at Elektra’s costume

[@moonie630]

Hands down, this was my one of my favorite marvel games to ever exist 🙌. I just never knew how to do the "fatalities". I'd just button mash and sometimes it'd work lol

[@CarlottaElektra]

You use enhanced throw while their heath bar blinks and says and the animation begins

[@Disconnect350]

Same here, at first I used to press everything but then figured out how it was done. That was at least 15-14 years ago though.

[@vidar188]

I had a lot of fun playing with my brother but the game was not balanced 😂

[@allystermonreal2109]

To me it’s crazy that this game wasn’t better known, I spent so many hours after I finished the main story and side missions just making scenarios in my imagination. I loved everything about this game and seeing a modern version would be interesting

[@sleepy9102]

Dude this game was so unique. Nothing like it since. It left me with such an impression as kid never forgot it.

[@SomeGuy-mt4hq]

Same. Would love to play it again to scratch that nostalgia itch

[@sacopotato5933]

I like your name

[@bobbywilliams4438]

Ordered a copy just to play

[@billyhall2551]

Yah it was fun, where is more love for this game? It was fun and had so much potential.

[@tybattle123]

Miss this games loved throwing people with the thing and doing web sling kicks too my opponents with spiderman. Ahhh nostalgia.. 😌

[@Deadpool....]

Spider-man's and venom's corrupted skins imo were some of their coolest designs ever

[@trevinodude]

I agree. There is just something about that black and green aesthetic on Spider powered characters that is so unnerving. I often use to play as normal Spider-Man and mirror matched just so I could see both Spider-Man and his corrupted self in the same room. Not to mention the fact that Spider-Man sounds evil as hell with the creepy voice overlay corrupted characters got.

[@megamillion5852]

You can't call it an opinion when you're speaking straight facts!

[@basedbattledroid3507]

I think that was probably my favorite part about unlocking new characters in the game, seeing their corrupted skins

[@gentletal5101]

Fucking yes! So fun to play as venom

[@gentletal5101]

I just realized, venom got into a fight with someone who uses fire as hot as the sun.

[@isinganddootherthings4616]

I really love Jae Lee's art for Iron Man something about it is so cool the red and silver looks great and seeing 2 glowing eyes on the helmet of the armor is genuinely great and kinda scary

[@govardhanposina17]

Ikr, it's like a great combination of the Ultimate Iron Man art style and the classic one, really gives him a unique and cool look

[@redwolfe7049]

His art with The Imperfects made me such a fan of his. I thought his work was badass.

[@MikeMarlowe-ym3zy]

I like how angular he is, very intimidating

[@mr.x6313]

I normally hate Jae Lee’s art. This doesn’t change my opinion.

[@Jake0205]

I was born in 02’ and I remember playing this game on my PS2, I was so young that I can barely remember anything about it. Honestly thought it wasn’t real, glad this came out to confirm my sanity and give me major nostalgia.

[@theoutlawking9123]

You were 3 years old when this dropped, who gives a 3 year old a PS2, stop lying.

[@Jake0205]

@@theoutlawking9123 I wasn’t aware the only point in time you could play this game was 2005. This would be such a weird thing to lie about lmao.

[@proximity1105]

@@Jake0205literally in the same boat lol, parents got it for my GameCube when I was like 5 or 6 and I was an 03’ baby lol

[@darrenmacqueen9884]

@@theoutlawking9123 I was born in 1987 and my first introduction to Spider-man was the 60's cartoon and my first video game was Super Mario Bros on the NES. Media doesn't stop exiting a year after release.

[@vfxninja5503]

I remember a match where you had to beat Elektra as Daredevil while you're 'bleeding out from a knife wound' so you lose health constantly and quickly. It was hard af.

[@literallyonlyfanz2308]

There was also a level with Paragon where you had to go through the level without taking a single hit, that shit used to make me rage as a kid lmfaoo

[@superior2096]

@@literallyonlyfanz2308 same.

[@CoolStoryBroWhoCares]

What’d you get for beating it?

[@MrDesoron]

@@CoolStoryBroWhoCares the ability to brag about it on KZbin several years later 🤣

[@markmagician2471]

It was poison

[@Veteran622]

Man, that opening intro to the story mode with the news report is a lot more intense than I remember though.

[@KaiKrimson56]

Hazmat's origin story hits alot harder now that we're in a pandemic.

[@solitary2]

Seeing Captain America die alone like that was just… dark

[@KaiKrimson56]

@@solitary2 Him and the Hulk dying would hit ALOT harder now due to the MCU.

[@jakobbaker3588]

Something about watching that news report gives me chills every time

[@gentletal5101]

Some how, the HULK. The dude with the power of the devils rage. Dead

[@spiderboi_29]

i loved how dark/creepy both the game's aesthetic and the story were Especially in the game's intro where the city is almost in ruins while you can see the Avengers being defeated so easily when they are supposed to earth's mightiest heroes just seeing Cap's shield on a wall with no sign of him, Punisher's banner and weapons on the ground with no sign of him and HULK getting tossed from a building and losing his form like this...really sets the vibe of the game The art style is also uncanny somehow, in the Versus menu you can see all the characters with different poses but the thing is that instead of being fancy to indicate that they are heroes, they look ordinary? mixed with these realistic features on the clothing and their faces

[@dtxspeaks268]

I agree. The intro is what I'd always imagine what a normal civilian would see whenever Thanos, Galactus, the Skrull, the Dark Elves, Dormmamau, Mephisto, Apocalypse and/or Annihilus invade Earth or another world.

[@SOCyak]

I remember playing this all the time on GameCube and trying to beat the game for hours and hours in one sitting because I didn’t have a memory card

[@retrobrian1]

“You know what we call that? We call that a web swinging ass kicking”

[@jonathancasais6491]

It's time to open up a can of whoop ass

[@TheSinisterkelly]

Your about to have a bad day, it's clobberin' time.

[@belakthrillby]

Hated that line lol felt like they were trying too hard

[@leartistique2221]

I would absolutely LOVE a revamped or a remastered version of this game. I remember playing this everyday I got home from school with my brothers.

[@alwaysnerdyretros]

Definitely agree! I wouldn’t mind if another developer took a crack at this style of fighting game either. A 3D map with a larger roster of marvel characters would be a lot of fun

[@D21BeastReviews]

@@alwaysnerdyretros If you've never played Spider-Man: Friend or Foe, you might be happy to learn that there's an optional versus mode in that game that's a 3D arena fighter like you see here in Marvel Nemesis.

[@forickgrimaldus8301]

@@alwaysnerdyretros I would like how those developers update the look of the Imperfects as they are very early 00s looking

[@Set2Wumbo]

@@alwaysnerdyretros Marvel Arena fighter a-la Jump Force would be so cool

[@zacharyjochumsen9677]

@@alwaysnerdyretros so do you have this gsme on ps2 or xbox

[@redcoonie5114]

If I recall, Marvel ACTUALLY does own the rights to the Imperfects. It was discovered when an Artist for "Marvel Universe vs Avengers" accidently put the Imperfect Hazmat in a groupshot instead of Hazmat from Avengers Academy. I think that since the game was contract work with a copyright, any new characters automatically went to the copyright holder and not the game publisher. If EA wanted to own the characters, then they would've had to produce something involving them in a standalone product prior to Marvel Nemesis

[@exia7777]

U are correct I believe

[@darrenmacqueen9884]

I see. I was actually going to comment that if EA does own the characters, I wouldn't mind seeing a new game starring them. I heard that they actually wanted to a story driven single player game but were contractually required to make a fighting game. They could make a more story driven game with the Imperfects, flesh them out more. I actually did really like their designs and backstories. If Marvel owns the copyright though, then that's too bad. We'll probably never see them again.

[@Oldschool1943]

"If I recall" even though there's never any reports on what you so called "recall"

[@Oldschool1943]

"EA-created "Imperfect" comic book characters, oddities as The Wink, Niles Van Roekel and Brigade -- gamers hated the game's unbalanced fighting system, as it was clear that some characters had a far bigger advantage than others. On top of that, bad graphics and poor AI bugs plagued the release. Shortly thereafter, EA and Marvel's partnership fizzled, coming to an official close in 2008 without seeing the release of any further games. This wasn't for a lack of trying it would appear, as earlier this week, Siliconera ran across newly released concept art and a short video for a follow-up that was never released, with only the occasional glimpse of it surfacing in various gaming media outlets over the years. By looking at the concept screens and video clip released by one of the EA Chicago artists involved with the Marvel project, we can glean a few details details about the potential sequel to "Nemesis." Judging from one concept screen, it appears that the game featured a Campaign mode, similar to the one featured in "Nemesis." Even more intriguing is the mode sitting next to it, titled "What If?" which may have mixed things up significantly between the Marvel characters and the batch of Nemesis freaks, or even possibly presenting alternate realities based on the classic Marvel series of the same name. In addition, a My Collection option appears on the main menu, presenting the possibility that characters and maybe even virtual comic books could be unlocked over the course of the campaign, for the player to root through in their own free time. Two more screens illustrate the likelihood that the game would have stuck with the 3D combat of the original "Nemesis," including the ability to run around freely on a stage while holding down a trigger to keep "locked on" to an enemy, so all attacks could be focused on him or her. Other offensive controls included the ability to mix up weak and strong strikes, as well as item interaction (possibly with items to pick up within the stage, such as crates or lamp posts to be used as projectiles) and running tackles. One other notable feature in the gameplay is the addition of a Super Power Modifier, which would have probably taken advantage of each character's ability. For instance, Spider-Man would have been able to use his webbing to some capacity, while Captain America could easily throw his shield to some degree, or maybe even use it in a super-charging attack. And who knows what kind of damage Hulk or Wolverine could have wreaked. In addition to Captain America, Hulk and Spider-Man appearing in the screenshots and video, the lesser known US Agent also appears as a playable option, hinting at a potentially larger pool of characters to choose from than the original "Nemesis." Indeed, the sole trailer for the game from 2007 showed Spidey facing off against Doctor Doom, while Cap went toe-to-toe with the Juggernaut. Beyond the screens and video, a commenter on the Siliconera story claiming to have been an EA game tester who worked on this particular project bolsters our read on the screenshots. He describes the game as taking a "psuedo-sandbox" approach to the gameplay, featuring interactive, destructible environments, civilians running around as you battle other characters and and an open city to explore. This is further supported by another video from 2007 showing gameplay footage while the developers brag about "every square inch" of the environment being destructible, damage appearing on the characters and working hard to emulate look of Marvel's comic book offerings. Again, it's all concept-stage art and footage, but you can see where EA Chicago was doing its best to improve upon "Nemesis." It's incredibly unlikely we'll ever find out, however, leaving the fate of the Imperfects -- whom Marvel owns the rights to as part of the original partnership deal -- in limbo." this is the official report for the game so what u "recall is inaccurate" ea's created characters the imperfect is what they own just like nba street's drake, Stretch and etc just like the other ea's created characters like def jam fighting series like d-mob and more. so stop ur bullshit

[@Oldschool1943]

so no there's never been any reports of ea losing rights to their own created characters it doesn't even make sense either with that logic

[@lukash.p.6631]

The opening intro and that main menu is so edgy, nothing like it...so good, so dark...i wish we had something like this today in the industry.

[@jenpachi2408]

Closest thing is something like injustice

[@AsheBlender]

I remember the story being really hard and annoying (especially the flying enemies), but playing the versus mode with siblings and just throwing buses at each other was the most fun thing ever. x)

[@toasterboy2003]

Fr

[@stoneymitchell3821]

The story was not hard at all

[@shogun8816]

I know right

[@soggybreadman4035]

@@stoneymitchell3821 Except for some of those dumb timed platformer gauntlet levels with the weird bladed woman. I always hated those. But as far as the player vs computer fights went, they weren't too hard once you learned how to spam L1 and R1 ranged attacks.

[@denistuohy2535]

Holy shit that Venom level on the bridge felt impossible

[@PavethaWay]

*Marvel Nemesis had alot of Def Jam NYC elements: character victory dialog, dark scenery, item pick ups, rage/Blaze mode for finishers.*

[@Prawnsacrifice]

Daaaam I love that game too

[@cyklonus1]

Both great games!! Aww a simpler time before the whiney internet governed costumes and characters and we just played for the fun of it.

[@KarateWrestler205]

They had a formula that worked then they went fight night with everything and now it sux

[@TheBlackAntagonist]

Right down to the animation style. Damn.

[@thothgold2768]

That's called the 90s and early 2000s type of games in general

[@krisjustice2681]

For the longest time I thought I was the only person on Earth who knew about this game. The character intros and outros are pure nostalgia. Absolutely a product of its time.

[@undeadaxolotl8584]

"I injected myself with *all* of the synthetic antigens I had developed..." I used to love watching those Imperfects' videos.

[@upat3455]

When I was a kid I always thought the imperfects were real Marvel characters lol.

[@Hypersense-gv2ve]

Bruh same

[@ImDefinitelyDarren]

I thought this until seeing this video lol

[@williamkline6450]

They were so well done you wouldn’t even know

[@BigK13372]

Not me. When I was a kid I was like: who are these c*nts, and WHY can’t I play as Omega Red?

[@forickgrimaldus8301]

Me too but sadly they would probably be shelved forever unless for some reason Marvel bought the rights. (it would be interesting if that is the case as would like to see how Marvel would update and remake these characters.)

[@BruvahSulaiman]

What you said about the imbalance of characters was spot on. It was the best part of the game imo. Wolverine has always been my favorite Marvel character so using him was a challenge but what was always more important to me was that it was accurate. Spider-Man can throw a car because Spider-Man can. Wolverine can't. I also loved that it was like a free roam type of fight. Not left to right. It made the fights accurate to how they were supposed to look. Man EA used to make great games. Fight Night, Def Jam, this, NBA Street series. It all went to crap when the PS3 era began.

[@forickgrimaldus8301]

I mean its a joke that EA buries great franchises at this point, only recently have they revived some of their classics like CnC and Dead Space.

[@danielschmidtke9213]

EA made the Mutant League games too. Wish they'd bring them back.

[@FingerBreakerWu]

Revisionist bullshit. This game was trash. 20 years removed doesn’t change that.

[@BruvahSulaiman]

@@FingerBreakerWu Feel better now?

[@FingerBreakerWu]

@@BruvahSulaiman Truth hurts

[@mr.checkyourself4672]

Always love how dark the story is miss playing Marvel Nemesis on the PSP back in the day to bad the sequel couldn't fully been finished since EA Games went bankrupt and shut down.

[@nightspawnson-of-luna4936]

Morally or financially bankrupt?

[@Dreeza68955]

@@nightspawnson-of-luna4936 Both. They really shouldn't exist today lol.

[@nore5888]

@@Dreeza68955 Basically the Spiderman One More Day comic but irl. Gave up the heart and soul of their games to stay alive and thrive

[@thcasav6183]

My mom had sent me a PS2 with this game and Def Jam Vendetta, when I was just 7. 😩 Both of these games have always stuck with me, I don’t care about ratings, this game is one of the best marvel games ever made. Daredevil and Spider-Man were always my favorite. 💯

[@sochillsim]

Not one of the best. Ultimate Alliance is way better

[@thcasav6183]

@@sochillsim For me it is and yes- Ultimate Alliance is better- but UA is an RPG. This is a fighting game. I never thought to compare the 2.

[@sochillsim]

@@thcasav6183 I don't know man I've played this before didn't seem all great tbh

[@thcasav6183]

@@sochillsim it’s not- you can tell the game it’s barely completed and unbalanced characters can be a pain but I had played this when I was very young so it kinda stuck with me. 😅

[@sochillsim]

@@thcasav6183 Oh gotcha

[@BetweenTheLyons]

When this game came out I was in the hospital dealing with terrible ulcerative colitis and about to have my large intestine removed. Many people on staff would come and visit and play video games with me and the demo for this game was one of the more popular games in my room. The full game turned out to not be so great but I'll never forget the impact this game had on my happiness at that time.

[@wxaviere1]

I understand ppl expected more adventures and going through the city but in my opinion this game rocked...I still have it lol

[@jordongutierrez1219]

How did the procedure go, I hope well

[@michaelgomez2649]

That's so dark and cool man. I hope you recovered well

[@Childishxmarkeeloo]

I absolutely love this game. I remember when me and my cousin deadass spent hours jumping off the bridge map to unlock all the characters instead of doing the story mode. Good times

[@KBJL9498]

I wish I would've known that trick 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@Childishxmarkeeloo]

@@KBJL9498 I think you had to jump off the bridge like 10 time and you’d unlock a character, then a stage, then a character. It was LONG but anything to unlock daredevil lol

[@Nightman221k]

My cousin and me did that too when we got tired of busting our asses in storymode.

[@keseanlee8219]

I figured that out so quick 😭 like I killed my cousin a couple of times and was like hold up let me start killing my self too

[@El_Gomes]

I preferred the story mode to unlock some characters. Just finish some missions, fight with a hero and unlock then.

[@KaiKrimson56]

Imperfect Venom is still one of the sickest designs! Also, I did not know he got Spider-Man's powers until now. I hope one day we get a Venom game where he can do the stuff him and Riot do in the first Venom movie, but with M-rated violence.

[@Apeirophant]

Ultimate Spider-Man would be an awesome game to do a retrospective on. Honestly, I played that wayy more than Spider-Man 2 the game since the use 3D Comic Shading (I think thats what they called it ) helped make it feel like you were -in- the comic book as well as how the cutscenes used comic panels to further illustrate that aesthetic which really set it apart from the movie games that came out at that time.

[@ihormuzyka8553]

It’s called cell shading mate)

[@Apeirophant]

@@ihormuzyka8553 I know. But in interviews and press releases at that time, the devs specifically used the phrasing 3D Comic Shading or Comic Inking Animation to illustrate how the engine they used for the game would make it appear as if it were a living comic-book.

[@megamillion5852]

Always great to see some love for Ultimate Spider-Man! I've wanted another game with those stylistic choices for *so* long. With today's graphical techniques, I can only imagine how alive the comic would actually be.

[@basedbattledroid3507]

I loved that game too, especially since you got to play as Venom and in his introduction level you fuckin EAT the annoying kid who kept losing his Balloon from Spider-Man 2, and then you immediately get a boss battle with fuckin Wolverine, it was dope, I just wish it was longer or it had a sequel or something.

[@alancasillas9748]

Fuuuuuuuck forreal i gelt its underrated

[@Geegs]

Elektra's whale tail and boot-cuts bring back a hard wave of awkward fashion nostalgia.

[@logandutton4324]

I always wondered exactly what that particular look for her was. But yeah it didn’t look entirely out of aesthetic or whatever concerning her. Would be lying if I said I didn’t exactly like it lol.

[@theitfactorjameswheezer2852]

@@logandutton4324 slightly based off the crappy Garner movie, which came out the same year

[@logandutton4324]

@@theitfactorjameswheezer2852 Yeah…. That and Daredevil just wasn’t made well at all. The earlier marvel films aside from a few just didn’t get a solid grasp on their content.

[@Oldschool1943]

@@logandutton4324 daredevil '03 was made well it was just fox that ruined the movie but the director's cut redeem the film but the damage was already done. this was pre snyder and pre david ayer which happened the same with them with studio meddling. there's a whole horror story and a 10 year development hell multiple directors before mark steven johnson landed the job and how fox didn't want daredevil to look like daredevil trying to compete with raimi's spider-man sub plots and alternate 15 costumes cut from the film there's so much that went on behind the scenes. fox rushed out the cut that had more scenes of garner to cash in on her rising popularity at the time with alias for the theatrical cut that ruined the tune and plot by making it inconsistent. it's funny bcuz right after daredevil '03 fox forced garner to do the elektra movie, a movie that she didn't want to do and trash it before it's release. she was contractually obligated to do the elektra movie due to daredevil '03. i'm glad she's finally getting the redemption comeback with deadpool 3 that she rightfully deserves & earned bcuz fox was trying to sabotage her career.

[@jxstxn5590]

the amount of times ive thought about this game but not been able to remember the name of it is astronomical, thanks so much for making this video

[@Pfilibuster]

I remember showing this game to my friends and none of them knew what it was but they were in love with it. They’d beg to come play after school. Still to this day they talk about that game

[@AlesandeMinaya]

Everyone that had this game back then knew Paragon was OP asf. And Wolverine, The Wink, Elektra and Daredevil were so underpowered

[@tyrjacksonjr]

This

[@techstuff6551]

My cousin used to fight me on the daily bugle map teleport me off and kill me every fucking time lol. And I could never stop it

[@dominiquewashington2553]

Venom was broke too but this game was still amazing

[@james-1110]

Wink’s my favourite to play - sure paragon can’t do everything she can do, but I like how you have use her agility rather than brute force

[@masonwright7700]

Wolverine isn’t stronger than Spider-Man

[@handsanitizer1599]

This was one of my favorite guilty pleasures growing up. The Story mode got boring but I did spend hours in VS mode doing all kinds of match ups. A modern interpretation of this game is needed. Linear single player missions with a party style multiplayer vs modes. It’s a classic just waiting.

[@alwaysnerdyretros]

Totally agree! I’d really love for a new development team to give this another try. I think the original idea was a solid one

[@boxtank5288]

Only burner for me in Story Mode (other than how it DRAGS ON) is the attempt to sell the Imperfects' own little Mary Sue Amazon Chick...I hate that character for that reason (also her stats but then again she is fightable as her stuff telegraphs easy and can be jumped over)

[@boxtank5288]

@N P Ah yes THAT little bit of bullshit.

[@boxtank5288]

@N P With Rokkel vs Paragon fights we'd actually put it at 10 lives because both parties are very good at killing each other.

[@wowb1965]

This was my avengers crossover as a kid. They were just missing blade. The idea of a Bully McGuire and Ben Affleck Daredevil crossover was the most exciting thing, especially when you realize they aren’t guaranteed a happy ending

[@jstratty448]

This was one of my first games on GameCube and I played it so much. I honestly don’t remember anything about it or even the fact that there was a story mode. I think it’s because I just played the vs mode. But seeing that character select screen was so nostalgic. Thank you sm for the video!

[@GenericProtagonist118]

2:54 I love how they start off the game by showing off characters that we might've actually wanted to play as getting killed off right infront of us.

[@ThatOneDude521]

When I was little I was just under the impression that they were kidnapped or knocked out but realizing that Cap, Punisher and Hulk were straight up killed is fucking terrifying. Not so much Cap and Punisher but the fact that the aliens managed to kill The Hulk means they’re not to be fucked with.

[@freshtodef123456789]

All those charachters were Dumb Op tho LUL i think they were going for a story for a more balanced cast of fighters

[@GenericProtagonist118]

@@freshtodef123456789 Yes because that stopped these characters from being playable in other fighting games before, right?

[@freshtodef123456789]

@@GenericProtagonist118 True lol well magento in theory should be wiping the floor with all of those characters

[@bitchface235]

@@freshtodef123456789 magneto can literally metal bend the fucking core of the earth like he is fire lord montezuma or whatever the fuck his name was from avatar the airbender tv show (it might've been ozai)

[@dcamaag709]

Bro I thought this game was perma killing the heroes when you fought them as the imperfects so I strategize which heroes I would try to keep alive. Those cards you got after battles and character infos were misleading because it seemed that the Character was killed.It turned out they weren't full on killing them as much as they imprisoned them and used them on their side.

[@steviegilliam5685]

that honestly that would be a cool mechanic for a remake

[@DarkerSideX14X]

i thought this too!

[@hellbentjacob]

Ya dude I thought that too as a kid and did the same exact thing lol

[@NOTWxOUTCASTx]

Playing Spider-Man and looking though his suits made me think of this. I played this all the time with my older brother it was so much fun. I would love to play this game again now that I’m older

[@mugiwarafishing588]

Spiderman suit and voice same like Maguire...I love it😍

[@Sailor_Luce]

I did not expect to find a nice long video about this game and dang I'm so glad I did

[@taylorwilliams6790]

this actually goes hard, it's a hidden classic

[@joseloyola5867]

I miss when games were actually games. You had to progress through the game to unlock characters. Now it’s all about how much money you can dump into a game.

[@pedrocampos1787]

Yeeah?

[@joseloyola5867]

@@pedrocampos1787 wut

[@rainofkhandaq6678]

Dlc is incredibly increased a smgame's longevity. Back in the day, sure you'd unlock the base roster, but then the game dies in a year, and then the company pumps out a sequel in the next year. Attention spans are worse now, especially when there are so many fighting games on the market now. Final thing to add, is how things are more expensive for the companies, but the games themselves remain the same price. You don't have to buy dlc anyways.

[@phabiorules]

I believe that DLC vs unlockables isn't really an argument. DLC is content that was created after a game's launch while unlockables are obviously already in the game. I think the reason we don't really see unlockables in fighting games anymore is due to how much the competitive scene is rising. In the past, the biggest demographic were casuals with some competitive players. Now however, there are a lot more competitive gamers or players in the middle. For that reason, I believe they stopped having unlockables because the competitive players want to test all the characters out and find the best strats, not go through the story mode or do miscellaneous tasks. I also think online play has made unlockables more irrelevant. In the past, unlockables encouraged longevity because it rewarded you for playing the game more. Now that online is the played mode in fighting games, you get rewarded by rising through the ranks and fighting better skilled players.

[@rainofkhandaq6678]

@@phabiorules True. A lot of people don't know that the original PS2 version of MvC2 made you unlock most of the characters.

[@mikala2088]

Finally someone is talking about it. This game used to genuinely scare me. But I loved this game to death, the art direction, the UI, and Johnny ohm 😎

[@Hexumonium]

Thanks for covering this hidden gem. I introduced this game to a friend once and we had a blast beating each other up for hours. The unexpected jank is often hilarious.

[@basedbattledroid3507]

This was the most Sigma game ever made. Johnny Ohm telling Daredevil *"Mind Over Matter, baby; I don't Mind, and you don't Matter."* is my favorite quote of all time, I want it carved on my tombstone

[@ShadowFri3nd]

Johnny Ohm and Paragon were so cool, i liked them a lot, also Magneto here was Badass.

[@MrLachapell]

Holy shit that line is hilarious

[@swisserty]

Cringe

[@denistuohy2535]

Johnny Ohm was such a memorable character

[@swisserty]

@@denistuohy2535 this guy is getting this carved on his tombstone have some respect

[@Hexentric8]

God I loved this game so much when I was younger, Storm was such a powerhouse imo

[@TheMastersForm]

I sure did love so many Marvel games on the PlayStation 2 back in the 2000s. What a joy it was to grow up in that generation! All these years later, videos like this make me incredibly nostalgic though I am of course more cognizant of the flaws in some of those old titles that I enjoyed so much when I was 13.

[@ultimamage3]

The part about not recognizing the voice actors but ultimately not needing the big names to pull great performances is so true. The voice actor for Niles Van Roekel sounds so familiar to me I would have sworn he was in other works especially with that "evil scientist" voice, but looking him up I found a) he also voices Johnny Ohm, which is awesome and b) he voiced Nappa, Nail, Spopovich, the World Tournament Announcer, Shin, Kibito Kai and King Cold in Ocean Group's dub of DBZ, so I mean, if it wasn't obvious from him being both Roekel and Ohm, the dude has range.

[@nicholytegames7604]

This game was ahead of its time. So much fun memories with this game. A hidden gem for sure. Wish they could remaster this.

[@sadscientist9995]

The main think I remember about this game is the dark main theme, twisted story, how marvel characters kinda died in it. Was off putting, because before I played ultimate alliance and the X men legend games. Wasn’t used to seeing marvel characters in such a dark world

[@mercury2157]

oh boy just wait til you hear about Marvel's ultimatum... or like.... any of their comics

[@RadikAlice]

Pretty good retrospective, and since I never bothered to look it up I always assume the Imperfects were obscure or new Marvel characters made for this, like Firestar was. My experience was different however, only played the PSP version yet remember it looking darker, might be 'cus of the menus. Definitely will check out both versions though. Having fallen in love with Daredevil because of the Netflix show it sucks he's not in the PSP one. And just like you, I remember the music too. Excellent stuff! Game's moody, gritty, it's own beast. Both an encapsulation of, and a perfect example of early 2000s superhero stuff

[@yusukeurameshi3768]

I literally just left a comment on another vid asking you to review this and it popped up on my feed🤣🤣 love your vids man i put this on in the background at work your analysis of video games really are thorough and interesting

[@SimplyStapha]

I played this on the ps2 as a kid. I had gotten really into Marvel because of Ultimate Alliance and saw this game. I remember the gameplay being kinda whack. I remember the Venom stuff pretty vividly

[@Braylon1997]

spider man got me into marvel but marvel ultimate alliance and rise of the imperfects got me into the whole marvel franchise

[@kvngcjgaming5559]

@@Braylon1997 YOU KNOW WHAT WE CALL THAT”” WE CALL THAT A WEBSLINGING ASS KICKING

[@emanthescripter1076]

"Uh excuse me, is this the ferry to statan Island?"

[@dartanyonhaynes]

God I couldn't agree more, I remember playing this game on the gamecube as kid. I found the whole story incredibly cheesey and went back to playing Ultimate Alliance for the 15th time. However, the line from Venon "You [insert tongue slurping noises] you don't stand a chance hahaha" always elicits a chuckle from my brother and I.

[@MercSamurai09]

I remember playing this as a kid on my PS2 with my older brother and dad.

[@Montesama314]

Spidey and Venom had some of my favorite designs when corrupted. They were full of personality.

[@katarn101]

You said it better than I ever could have. This was one of my first ever games on my Xbox and I played it over and over again! The main theme will randomly pop into my head over the years and sadly I no longer have the disc or a console to play it on. Great retrospective, Keep em up! I haven't explored much of your channel yet but I hope you have a video on X2: Wolverines Revenge or Justice League Heroes!!

[@aaronalexander9009]

I want to make videos like this man love how you do in depth to literally every aspect great video man

[@spyderhuntz]

I thought the soundtrack for this game was pretty cool and different from something we were used to. It reminded me of Danny Elfman’s Batman score but more fitted for edgy 2000’s Marvel.

[@Jayo_businessmansavior01]

Exactly! The music really set the tone for the story and made it to where it gave me chills everytime I played it.

[@literallyonlyfanz2308]

Sheesh, I wish they’d bring this game back, it’s a hidden, overhated gem. I jailbroke my PS4, and this is one of the games I really wanted to download, but there’s not a good downloadable copy 😩

[@bonnetcircus3736]

how do you jailbreak your ps4? im bout to try it rn

[@jediknightgeo]

"Gem" is more like it and it's nowhere near hidden. It was an EA published game based on a HUGE license and was a big deal when released as it came out on practically every major system available at the time, including portable systems.

[@mikesannitti6042]

I liked it well enough. I did enjoy an the throwing shit at people mechanics. It def needed a little more balance and polish. And the Imperfect characters were pointless.

[@itsDjjayy]

Keep spamming Sony's Twitter

[@mrpopo5097]

@@itsDjjayy most dumbest comment

[@cincymutt]

Some interesting backstories for some of the Imperfects. However, I couldn't help but notice that Paragon's is nearly identical to X-O Manowar. Anyway, this video is the most in-depth thing I've ever seen about this collaboration, and it definitely showed an interesting side to a game that I've seen handwaved away by so many other reviewers/video game-centered content creators.

[@benig4561]

Had such a blast playing this game with my brothers, we still about it to this day!! So unique fr🔥

[@carlosbrown3269]

I loved this game so much. Also the quote un-quote "fatalities" you could do in the game.

[@PauseUn-Pause]

Rokel recruiting the imperfects felt like calypso hiring the drivers in twisted metal

[@ShadowFri3nd]

Though the same here.

[@wolfenstein652]

That's what this game was called! I've been trying to remember what this game was for years now. It was such a staple of my childhood with my brother, and just further cemented my inability to ever beat my brother in fighting games lol.

[@FabledHeroes3351]

I remember playing this every chance I got wished the Hulk, Captain America and Punisher had been in it (although Cap was in the PSP version )

[@UItraVice]

Gotta give props to EA for designing very unique characters. I would petition them to officially join Marvels cast tbh. Hazmat is gross and really clever, paragon is badass, and wink would be sick to fight Nightcrawler. That Black and Green Spiderman costume still is my favorite skin ever in a game.

[@kyransawhill6650]

Wink always struck me as being like Nightcrawler with more of a Mystique vibe about her, which I guess tracks, since the two blue mutants are mother and son.

[@woopdashoop9860]

What about my boy Johnny Ohm?

[@EternalEdgeLord]

@@woopdashoop9860 That name goes so hard

[@jediknightgeo]

These characters were generic AF

[@UItraVice]

@@jediknightgeo Generic? A gigantic Frankenstein that can topple buildings with rocket arms. A slithering hazmat suit with no bones that swings with slime like Spiderman...a tribal woman with blades on her arms who teleports and causes electric surges every swipe...those are generic to you?

[@fertilebeef802]

Always Nerdy? More like “Always Delivering Quality Content” Another great review! I remember playing this game with my dad during visitations and loving it. A recent playthrough left me feeling kind of meh, but it will always have a place in my heart. Keep up the awesome work!

[@alwaysnerdyretros]

Hahaha thank you 😆Thats awesome your dad would play it with you! I imagine it’s a lot more fun co-op. I’ve only played it solo though

[@hadoukendon8626]

Your profile pic tho

[@Mextlatec]

@@alwaysnerdyretros can you do a retrospective on X-Men Mutant Academy 1, 2, & 3

[@alwaysnerdyretros]

@@Mextlatec yes definitely at some point! Idk how soon they will be, but I plan on covering more fighting games

[@DxGFaded]

@@Mextlatec I miss the ps2

[@itcouldbegood]

really want to find a copy of this. however, this well informed video will hold me over for now. nice upload 🙏

[@christophercampbell5982]

Just subscribed, I’ve seen the MUA 1 & 2 videos twice. Big fan of your content! I wish MUA1 would be listed again in the store since my old Xbox doesn’t work and the series x doesn’t take 360 discs. I look forward to watching more of your stuff!

[@alwaysnerdyretros]

Thank you for the support! Definitely more videos on the way! I agree, it’s such a bummer that the mua1 & 2 remasters are unattainable now. They’re great games that deserve to be revisited on modern consoles

[@JoseQuintanilla88]

Was literally thinking about this game yesterday. Thank you for all your retrospectives!

[@alwaysnerdyretros]

No problem! Thanks for checking it out 😃

[@jamilfrost6217]

The art by jae lee is one of the best part of this game (besides the soundtrack).

[@buzzyb13]

This game was an absolute gem of it's time, so much nostalgia seeing this now so many years later. Thanks for this, mate.

[@mon11nom]

I was an audio tester for the console versions of Nemesis at EA in Burnaby. This video brought up some bittersweet memories for me. As a huge Marvel fan back in the day I was so excited about the potential only to be disappointed with with the result. (Why create Imperfects when there are perfectly fine Marvel characters to use???). This was an end of 6th gen console lifecycle game release and I remember after the game came out loads of people from the team and company wide got laid off(including myself) in order to cut down on overhead during the console transition period. Put me off of gaming for years, until I got a Switch and have been making up for lost time! Thanks for the retrospective!

[@alwaysnerdyretros]

Thank you for sharing your experience! Although, it sounds like you don’t have particularly good memories associated with this game. It’s a shame things didn’t turn out better for everyone involved. It sounds like things are much better for you now though! It’s nice to hear your passion for gaming has been reignited :)

[@mon11nom]

@@alwaysnerdyretros thanks it's been cool to pick it up again after a hiatus. Loving the indie scene! Also creators like you are doing a great job documenting the industry and the games. It is a bit of a golden age right now.

[@Kintaku]

This game was incredible to me. So much fun and pretty creative. I wouldn’t mind a sequel

[@dawe964]

Same, I’n still very supportive of this concept even though it deserved it’s low score. It got so much other marvel games should steal by

[@Kintaku]

@@dawe964 yeah I definitely understand the scores. I just wish they’d revisit it

[@cosmicdropout8187]

a sequel will be lit...this game had the potential to a open world (new york) type stuff and i really want to see other character, Hulk, Thor, Carnage, Black Panther...Silver Surfer even

[@aznthy]

It was shit, just like your opinion.

[@lfdrumming7804]

It was gonna have a sequel it was in development but eventually canned.

[@gamemonster7]

I remember this, I play as wolverine all the time, but man he is so outclassed by other characters, especially with ranged attacks

[@elastronomer8462]

That was why he was my favorite. You had to be really good to beat so.e of the other characters. Dodge left dodge right jump roll attack!

[@SuperMisteryMan01]

Yea I remember that too. A lot of the stronger characters were innately better too because the heaviest objects others couldn’t throw did the most damage

[@KingShibe]

I used to drain his meter just so I can fight with the claws out

[@chazz335]

Yo I just stumbled upon you this video and I think you did a great job. This was pretty nostalgic for me to watch and a great breakdown of the game and it’s strengths and weaknesses that I didn’t notice as much when I played it as a kid. I added a bunch of your vids to my ‘watch later’ and I’m really gonna dig into the retrospective series. Could you please share the outro music you used here? It really caught my ear and I was disappointed to find that it’s not in the description. Thanks, keep up the good work. You got a new fan in me.

[@alwaysnerdyretros]

Thank you!!! I really appreciate your feedback and I hope you enjoy the rest of the videos 😃 As far as the song, I believe I got it on Essential Sound. It’s called “Sunday Desperations”

[@chazz335]

@@alwaysnerdyretros Awesome, bro! I appreciate the quick reply, thanks! I’m gonna go back to watching your vids for the remaining 5hrs of my shift probably lol have a great day, man!

[@alwaysnerdyretros]

@@chazz335 hahaha 😆 I’m glad I could help

[@redturner2325]

Great vid, exactly what I was looking for!

[@thelunaist2014]

The cutscenes remind me of Sin City where they use live action actors but make it look like a comic putting style over substance which that movie coincidently was released in 2005.

[@mrcrazyinstinct5822]

This video has definitely brought a smile to my face cuz I used to be obsessed with this game when I was a kid with a childhood friend and whenever Spider-Man made his first appearance in the story mode. Beating one alien enemy after another & only making him out by his fist & leg kicks just filled me with excitement when he showed up & given the fact that his costume in game looks very inspired by the Tobey Maguire costume with the silver webs and the eyes very slightly along with Venom being included it made for great childhood conversations of what Venom could have been &/or looked like for Spider-Man 3 since the movie did not come out yet. (Plus as another interesting tidbit from me, the game also gave me a lot of vibes for what a Killer Instinct 3 game could have been like at the time before the 2013 Xbox reboot, since the human torch and a few resemble the cast you would see in a Killer Instinct game along with the daily bugle representing the iconic 3D rooftop stages)

[@yaboireptar1246]

I always remembered in the back of my mind a marvel fighting game that for the life of me I couldn't remember the name of. I didn't even realize this was it until you got to the part with Elektra at the daily bugle, I only vaguely remember that map and it being my favorite one. Thanks man for helping me😂

[@falafel1980]

I loved this game as a kid, and watching this retrospective makes me appreciate all the aspects of it much more

[@unholydiver1095]

Really liked this game growing up. Was cool to see a 3d fighting game of Marvel characters. The movesets were very limited though, but yea despite its various flaws, I enjoyed this game as a kid

[@straingangtv3308]

This literally was one of Marvels greatest games ever made ..from the variation of characters in story mode ! To the VS features , throwing cars and throwing dudes thru pillars !! the fact they are not smart enough to release a second is insane !

[@BruvahSulaiman]

They had EA Chicago developing an indirect sequel back at the start of the PS3 era but EA Chicago got shut down after that crappy Def Jam Icon game.

[@Dreeza68955]

Do we really want modern EA to make a sequel to this game? Hell do we really want modern EA to make anything for that matter?

[@OmegaX_2340]

@@Dreeza68955 EA can sign the rights over to someone who can really make this game better

[@Dreeza68955]

@@OmegaX_2340 Yeah that'd be cool, but at the same time you're asking EA not to be the greedy, greasy, and shady.

[@TheAbstractedPainter]

Still playing this, my PS2 slim is still working perfectly fine so I found myself constantly going back to this game even after clearing the entire story mode, unlocking all the cards and all the characters in the versus mode. I always challenge myself to discover some combos and tricks that I can use in the game.

[@robertsguitarvids7348]

Holy shit. So a happy you made this video and there’s so many positive comments. Such a forgotten game that got barley decent reviews .. I loved it. The style of fighting/gameplay, story, original characters. Would love a remaster or part 2.

[@JogVodka]

45:20 there isnt a single fighting game where everyone is perfectly balanced. the top tiers only become a problem if there is a lack of counters, options, or viable characters that can realistically compete.

[@boxtank5288]

Least the Amazon Chick could actually get COUNTERPLAYED as all of her Projectiles are heavily telegraphed and either remain ground only or otherwise going in a straight line. THEY HURT but least they are a rather easy projectile to dodge.

[@Guitar-Dog]

There is lots of fighting games where everyone is balanced. Any fighter where the characters are the same. Footsies is the first at the top of my head. I get what you mean tho

[@NSFSponsor]

This game just straight has characters that are worse versions of others. No real reason to play guys like wolverine, thing, and Elektra. Atleast low tiers like Roll, Gigas, etc have a unique playstyle. Wolverine......just pulls some claws out for a damage buff.

[@JT-xn9ei]

Oh, damn. This is the first time I had memories rushing back from a game I thought I've totally forgotten. Trying to unlock everyone, Venom vs Spiderman, Johnny Storm vs Johnny Ohm, those marvel heroes deaths, and that linkin park color grading.

[@JavierMaltzan]

I NEVER forgot this game! 🥺😖😭😭😭 one of my all time favorites!! Wish they would remaster it already 🤧🤧

[@achi-baba]

I grew up with this as my favorite game on my Uncle's PS2 and was elated when I found copies of it for myself on DS and GameCube this year. I mained Venom, so going through the story with some characters is harder for me, but I love to hear I'm not the only one who remembers this game.

[@mageeaaron2624]

Yeah, this game had a lot of potential. Even though I like how dark it was, but it could of been better. Regardless, I still had fin playing this as a kid. It was my first time hearing about the Avengers and seeing Wolverine and Spider-Man in the same game was like a dream come true! Enjoyed This video

[@joshuagraham2843]

i really miss playing this game it had single player campaign beat em up and a fighting game

[@josuemartinez6574]

God this game was a staple in my childhood truly underrated

[@sinfulbakaa]

I really appreciate this video here. I was struggling how to feel about this game and this here helped me to come to how i felt as a kid. That was I enjoyed the game and I do like it but there was something holding it back and I don't know what. Now after seeing this review it answered that question for me so honestly thank you for this and now I really know that this isn't really as horrible as I was making out to be about 3 or so years ago

[@dragoonlance9537]

i'll never forget this game, i was so young when i watched the opening where lots of heroes is dead and it kinda scares me

[@chaysonscott7841]

venom: “now let’s see if *i* can find *my* old friend” my nerdy pet peeve is when venom doesn’t say we, us, our, etc… smh game ruined

[@mzombie97]

He could have had a better symbiosis to the main one because there are instances where he uses I

[@RyuKaguya]

I'm just going to chalk it up to mentally merging them due to the device

[@theawesomeduo54]

Why would he say we?

[@jeanus15]

@@theawesomeduo54 venom is two different beings Eddie Brock the human and the alien symbiote So they just they/them pronouns because they are two beings in one

[@logandutton4324]

Shit I had an idea for that particular part where he put that thing on as to what he’d say instead. “Another has joined us in our quest for vengeance… now, let’s see if we can find… OUR old friend!”

[@satanic-zz3cb]

The imperfects story cutscenes are very twisted metal

[@DNR333]

i thought the same when i was younger. very much the same vibe going on

[@xDreMack]

Used to play this game with my friend for hours back in the day. I remember Magneto and Iron man being super OP

[@gamerchris53]

Oh my God! I LOVED this game when I was a kid, played it all the time. Recently it had resurfaced to my memories and I could not remember what the name of it was for the life of me. So thank you so much for making this so it could pop up on my recommended!

[@johnwells5414]

I wouldn’t mind a reworked version of this game. Making the story more engaging with a larger scope, some more diverse gameplay, incorporating a larger cast of characters and more focus on the Marvel universe, making the Imperfects and their leader more mysterious and straightforward villains with more conflict with the Avengers themselves. I wouldn’t mind having the final battle Iron Man vs The Creator(I can never remember his name)