A High Limit to Outlaws flip, CBell returns, a driver and team reunite

[@drakecaple1366]

For the people against High Limit allowing gambling, some quick points to ease concerns: - it’s up to the state’s gaming commission to approve gambling on racing like USAC and High Limit. As someone that lives in Iowa, the IRGC didn’t approve USAC to be bet on like many other states - the books will have very strict limits already and will limit even more if you’re a winning bettor. Had a friend who couldn’t bet more than $10 on USAC outrights. Will only offer odds to win the feature - the books have strict limits because sprint car racing is such a niche sport that it’s likely to have less public bettors and more “sharp” players. They aren’t going to risk losing their ass on something like this Just my .02

[@jaybartlett8106]

Amazes me people don't understand the only people that make money on gambling are the people offering it. I used to work with a guy that bet on everything. He'd win $500 one week and lose $5,000 over the next 2 months. If people want to hand over their hard earned cash on the taking the chance a motor won't blow, a tire won't shred or their favorite driver won't get caught up in an incident that's no fault of their own they are more than welcome to. Seems like way to many uncontrollable variables to me.

[@bigbadbrad354]

This is just not true. I'm one of the top 10 winners in nba and nhl on the websites that offer daily fantasy in the USA. There are professionals in everything. Gambling is a horrible problem if gone untreated but to say only the house wins is burying your head in the sand. You want dirt racing to jump up a level? Gambling will bring it. Want a TV deal? need gambling. Those "uncontrollable variables" you are talking about are exactly how top bettors make their money. Those are mathematical equations that can be data crunched and if the odds make it make sense, can be extremely profitable. Cherry picked example for simplicity - kyle larsons odds for turkey night in california. He was +150.... the winner was like 100 to 1. If you were following the entire california swing, you would know those odds were WAY off. The winner had worse odds than kyle busch, who had no laps in a midget life time. Gambling isn't the problem, stupid people are the problem. You don't leave the house and do heroin do you?

[@TheRob8597]

100%

[@marktheaardvark7208]

Sports betting is organized crime

[@Trackratz-zl9di]

How about if you can't handle gambling you don't do it and let the rest of us make our own choices.

[@AlabamaLinemanFarmer]

You got to realize that not all of us are degenerate gamblers though. Some of us know how to budget for what we consider “waste” to gamble with. We hear this same shit in the South with the lottery, “oh everyone will be stealing and/or spending their last $2 on a lotto ticket”🤦🏻‍♂️ get real😂

[@EmersumBiggins]

The trend towards gambling on everything will have overall negative consequences for the country.

[@AXIDNT66]

Add it to the list.

[@billmcmillan7735]

Poor people blowing money they don’t have trying to get rich. ☹️

[@tokeypokey]

​@@billmcmillan7735thats 90% of it

[@AlabamaLinemanFarmer]

@@billmcmillan7735 who are you to tell someone how to spend their money🤷🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️ You don’t buy cigs? Alcohol? Video games? Gorge out on desserts? Etc.

[@billmcmillan7735]

@ Yes I don’t drink smoke or eat highly processed food!

[@TimPanosh]

Thanks again Merry Christmas Justin and family.

[@chuckg6039]

I'd rather see sprint car racing stay unique, and not do gambling and not go mainstream.

[@TheRaceking56]

Make no mistake. They are not fans of racing, they are fans of gambling

[@jeffperry7971]

I’m not a gambler so I don’t see the need for it. I have other things I’d rather blow money on. I think the likelihood of a fix is just as good as in the stick and ball sports. If it generates income that makes dirt racing stronger then I guess that would be the goal in my opinion. It’s hard for me because I love dirt racing and don’t want to see it compromised. Thanks Justin

[@adriafitzy6459]

Still not happy about grassroots racing sports betting. In general I'm not happy with sports betting, but specifically for racing like this, where the majority of the field works a day job, I just think its a ticking time bomb. I don't want a literal high schooler, a mechanic, or any other somewhat public facing employee to spin and in some way be culpable for the loss of a large sum of money by an irate gambler. This isn't pro or even major college sports, where there's some level of large institutional protection from the effects of this, these people are left on their own throughout the week to deal with the fallout.

[@Trackratz-zl9di]

Most people that have race horses are no different than people who own a sprint car or late model team .Of course there are the big money million dollar stables backed by the very rich just like that of some race teams . There is already gambling in England on motorsports like Speedway(motorcycle) racing which has been very successful .

[@shawnphaneuf5214]

Think there's going to be a Pete Rose of baseball?😅 I see more downsides.

[@tomlusty8376]

Drivers can rig races between themselves and win their bets to pad their overall earnings. Look into horse racing and it's 150 year history of jockeys and harness drivers rigging race outcomes. This is the peril if race drivers get greedy.

[@AlabamaLinemanFarmer]

You do know that would require a pretty big bet to offset them losing the big purse if they had won and most books are NOT going to allow for huge bets on dirt racing. Guaranteed

[@CosmosArchipelago]

Gambling is degenerate.

[@DIRTRACKR]

Would love to know your stances on alcohol sales at race tracks and fights in the pits.

[@1919champ]

Then don’t gamble. Simple

[@CosmosArchipelago]

​@@DIRTRACKR Justin, lets say I'm okay with those two things you have listed. At this point you will call me hypocritical? If true, I'm still right. I'd like to remind you of the To Quoque Fallacy on hypocrisy. Broader point, We don't need to add more vices to our society. Us humans are not infallible. Also, I think a-lot of it is a scam. The house wins more times than not.

[@AlabamaLinemanFarmer]

@@DIRTRACKR but that’s ok since it’s been happening forever😂 guarantee this commenter goes home with a 6 pack every day but calls gambling degenerate😂

[@beachfl6305]

I think the bigger issue with gambling in racing is it opens the door for more emotional fan base. Not saying it's going to happen, just don't think this is a great path to generate more revenue. And if you're just using the gambling as a sudo promotion tactic do you really want to pull that type of crowd into racing. The biggest beauty of dirt racing is the family friendly wholesome fan base. I have never been to a track and had a negative experience with another fan. I'm sure it happens just have never personally experienced it. People are already emotional to a degree about their driver winning or losing. I believe throwing money into that mix is a recipe for disaster.

[@RacerRobertC.]

Why would anyone have issues with the gambling? Pretty simple wager if you want. If you don't like to do it.....don't!!

[@Brian-vd4mg]

Yep and this applies to many other topics…..

[@AlabamaLinemanFarmer]

Because they believe the BS that is spewed by the anti gamblers that we’re all broke degenerate gamblers who don’t feed their families because we’re spending our last $5 to bet on something😂 But liquor stores and strip joints are ok🤦🏻‍♂️

[@brentwilson77]

For the larger series, I bet it could generate some revenue especially for the Crown Jewels

[@stevenbuis4490]

People have been making side bets on races since chariots. Every moose elks American legion etc usually has pools for Indy Daytona etc. Participate or don’t. It’s your choice and doesn’t affect me.

[@PsychosisPC05]

As much as I enjoy USAC national sprint and midget cars, USAC creates a lot of their own problems.

[@RegularJoes]

Their schedules suck

[@E_Stear_59]

As a sprint car driver myself I can say that it is 100% impossible to rig races. The track conditions can change with the blink of an eye, and mechanical failures can happen at any moment. The only way that races can be rigged in my opinion is sudden disqualifications for no reason. If you have a different opinion, feel free to respond to my comment.

[@mno0624-hv8le]

Driving by the scales like the 14 at Knoxville

[@AlabamaLinemanFarmer]

Don’t give the haters facts, they don’t like that. Also it would take pretty big bets to fix races, and I’m betting the limits on those USAC races this year were pretty low

[@susanmcgalliard7885]

Big mistake allowing gambling in racing, look at other sports being accused of being fixed , don’t need it in this sport

[@AlabamaLinemanFarmer]

You think a book is going to take a $100k bet on a dirt race? It would take a bet that large or more to truly fix a race and then regulators get involved. Not happening😂

[@rnvrnv354]

Dirt track gambling, kinda like horse racing? Try it! Sounds like it could get real interesting when it comes to season points!

[@Kevin-fq4hf]

The gambling end is not promoted enough. If USAC and or HL is advertising it? I do not see it. I did hear what the app is supposed to be called just now on this show. Before that? I did not even know what the app is called or where to find it

[@chuckg6039]

Seems weird to me to suddenly fire a driver, and then kiss and re-hire.

[@RegularJoes]

Hunter and Clinton are brothers in law

[@RegularJoes]

Curious, does anyone know if a team could run for championships in Poweri, ASCoC, and Fast? Meaning, are there conflicting races?

[@DIRTRACKR]

There are conflicts. Master Gassers on Twitter has a schedule with WoO, HL, POWRi, ASCOC on it.

[@RegularJoes]

​@DIRTRACKR thanks Justin. I figured there must be conflicts, would have been awesome to not have any conflicts and some of these smaller teams could make some really good money. Guessing there could be some teams doing pick n choose run a bunch in those 3 series

[@MichaelVanDyke-c1g]

How can a crate engine series payout be 100,000 dollars and Chili bowl pay 15k. A corporation needs to sponsor the winning prize money to reflect the status of that race. 100,000 would be reasonable. In my opinion.

[@bigbadbrad354]

Look up why some of the big names have avoided chili bowl in recent years. It's all money related. The money is definitely funny with chili bowl.

[@melabshier5812]

Gio Scelzi..Justin you're probably right about Gio staying with WOO. But HL runs twice on the west coast. Didn't he get married and maybe running for top money closer to home might be appealing.

[@AlabamaLinemanFarmer]

I doubt 2 local races is enough to change someone’s mind, especially when you have to consider all the other races and travel schedule Plus if she travels with him it’s definitely not a factor

[@melabshier5812]

@@AlabamaLinemanFarmer If Gio stays with the WOO, they go to the West coast in September. They have 4 races over two weekends. With High Limit, they go the West coast in March and have 5 races over three weeks. Then they go back in August and have 8 races over three weeks ( if you included Oregon and Washington). If you don't, then it's 4 in California. Gio is from California.

[@sweetdaddydee1314]

Yeahhh, not trying to ruin my love for dirt racing by being a degenerate and betting on races

[@DIRTRACKR]

That's why you don't have to do it. It's there for people that want it.

[@sweetdaddydee1314]

@DIRTRACKR that's very true lol. Just not a thing for me lol

[@mikejones2830]

Lol a guy who calls himself sweetdaddydee thinks gambling will make him a degenerate wow

[@LonamMcvey-t9v]

Little boys gamble., men invest in their future..and families

[@AlabamaLinemanFarmer]

@@LonamMcvey-t9v some of us know how to budget and still gamble, not every guy/girl is blowing their whole check on whatever it is they gamble on. Some of y’all need to wake TF up and quit pocket watching how other people spend their money😂 I’m sure we could find something you waste your money on too

[@RacingVagabond]

Gambling happens whether it's legal or not, might as well make it official and try using it to your advantage.

[@Ccook47]

Very stupid to make betting legal for it. Goes to show its fixed just like the nfl.

[@AlabamaLinemanFarmer]

🤣

[@MethanolWarrior712]

[@JimmyJolly-d8v]

I just hate to see when SLM drivers that win alot of National and/or major regional tour/races for big paydays drop down once or three times a year and take money away from weekly 604/602 crate lm drivers . Seems like the equalevalent to say Kyle Bushe running truck races . I know they draw fans people will say but I don't think they nessasarly do that much . Now if JD, Pierce and Bshepp were all going to come , I'm sure it would make a big difference. Just my opinion so don't go getting your panties in a wad

[@AlabamaLinemanFarmer]

If you offer big pay days you better expect the big dogs to show up. Doesn’t matter if it’s 602, 604, mods etc

[@tv4957]

👍

[@Brian-vd4mg]

I guess the low brow dirt audience has zero money in the Market….Its an investment with a hope of a return just like sports betting.

[@dwaynemathias3834]

I don't see owning a race team as gambling. I see it as competition. If you see it as gambling, then everything in life is gambling including operating a podcast.

[@DIRTRACKR]

We take risks every single day. 🤷‍♂️

[@dwaynemathias3834]

@@DIRTRACKR But is a risk considered gambling? My opinion of gambling is only if you wager money to win money.

[@EmersumBiggins]

@@DIRTRACKRYou gamble on yourself. Completely different than betting on someone else’s game.

[@RegularJoes]

​@@dwaynemathias3834Gambling is defined as the act of risking something of value in the hope of gaining something of greater value.

[@AlabamaLinemanFarmer]

It’s definitely gambling. You’re hiring a driver to win money for you😂

[@christopherhabbyshaw8384]

Absolute nerd behavior by the people complaining about gambling. Wouldn’t expect anything different from our wonderful dirt track community tbh. Stay out of other peoples wallets

[@dannylenz3006]

Who cares about gambling if it grows the sport??? You don't have to participate. All dirt tracks do ticket raffles at the track for extra revenue isn't that kinda a form of gambling? I don't bet myself but it doesn't directly affect me so go for it I say.

[@AlabamaLinemanFarmer]

@@dannylenz3006 yes 50/50 tickets are no different than laying a bet but they don’t want to have that conversation

[@LonamMcvey-t9v]

Drivers aren’t dare devils or gamblers , they take calculated risks and invest into their craft.., gambling is a disease and shouldn’t be tolerated in a moral society.. Justin is sponsored by a casino, the only one doing mental gymnastics is him…

[@DIRTRACKR]

Please, explain my mental gymnastics. Also, what's your stance on alcohol sales at race tracks?

[@LonamMcvey-t9v]

If you buy alcohol at the track, you actually purchased a product, it’s in your hand, online gambling are lights and sounds,and the promise of nothing..

[@LonamMcvey-t9v]

I’ve never met a gambler who was a winner in life

[@DIRTRACKR]

By that logic, we shouldn't go to movies either. Lights, sounds, nothing on the other side. Still waiting on that explanation of my mental gymnastics too.

[@michaelgriggs8574]

Where does the gambling money go? Is it a revenue sharing thing with the teams?

[@Norwisco]

Just another stupid larson sweet idea

[@DIRTRACKR]

Uh... USAC has been here since May.