A LEGIT Gen 3 vs Gen 4 Coyote Dyno Comparison + Weight! 2022 Mustang GT vs 2024 Mustang GT

[@DrErickSBurke]

Love your videos. Always straight and to the point. You could’ve easily made that video 20-30 minutes longer.

[@MrHighlyEvolved]

I appreciate that you weighed both cars as well!

[@busslayer4790]

Thx. Perfect length for a video like this too. Right to the point without wasting our time.

[@matthewarmstrong2511]

great video on this. Appreciate the time put in!!

[@Jimmyxsx]

Take them to the track, thats what I really want to see.

[@royrichardson9164]

Exactly!!!

[@carlife_710]

We all know the 18-22 GT are faster, less weight = faster

[@matt7sixty]

@@carlife_710This Gen 4 has brembos all around and still weighed the same as the Gen 3. Subwoofer box X Brembos all around

[@ChokolateSushi23]

@@carlife_710 As does more power lol. Power to weight is more important

[@aimxdy8680]

@@carlife_710100 less lbs isn’t gonna really make up a 26 hp difference, every 100 lbs is around 10 hp.

[@billshoe22191]

Really appreciate you weighing the cars. I assumed the newer one would have been at least 100lbs heavier so I was surprised

[@TonyTheTruckGuy]

The dark horse will be a good 100 lbs heavier I'm sure with all the gadgets lol

[@Mo47047]

One of the best comparison I’ve ever seen

[@bullittboost6046]

It’s all in what flavor you want. Seen some negative comments on new S650. Both S550 and S650 have their strong points. Bang for the dollar still goes to S550 but upgraded tech goes to S650. Personally I like the S197 from a purist standpoint. An that’s the current model I own. Already owned S550 but went back to S197. That’s the key to Mustang’s success, has a flavor for everyone

[@jasonlommen4769]

Same here. I have a 13’ Boss and it’s my fav body style. I love the look and it’s fun as hell to drive! I’ll never get rid of it. I also own a 19’ Bullitt and I do love the look of that car. Ford did a great take of a modern 68’ fast back.

[@ProjectAjax]

Love the real info!!! Science always wins. Subscribed.

[@chrism.728]

Great comparison vid! Thanks for the info!

[@Red5oh]

shots fired at CJ with 93 octane and not rushing the video lol

[@dreday2049]

Wow what a difference, now I’m excited to get mines soon..!!! I’m definitely subscribing to your channel! Great video!

[@G.M85007]

Thank you. what a great comparison!!

[@puzo-we3hp]

I will keep my 19 GT 401 packages with Active Exhaust 🎉❤❤

[@Kona5.0]

Likewise; I can’t justify a $60k car that only gives me a few hp, but on a locked pcm, with some cosmetic interior/exterior differences over what I have. Same features, just in a so called shiner, expensive package. To each their own.

[@nicolesmrekar2046]

This is a very good comparison! REally like seeing stuff like this.

[@latemodelrestoration]

Thank you for the comment and the great feedback. -Landan

[@edwardberwind8544]

Landon great updated info. I for one would like to see theses almost identical cars race each other that will be positive proof especially upstairs.

[@DillonAuto]

Apples to apples, nicely done.

[@Smasher-Devourer]

1. Gen 3 with an E85 tune will likely match or beat the new Gen 4 2. Gen 4 will not have tuning support for a while, and may require your PCM to be sent off to be unlocked 3. Gen 3 with a manual will already have the Gen 4 10R80 beat bone stock on the dyno 4. With no tuning support, very little mod support. CAI's will be expensive because you're paying for 2 of them, and likely won't offer much gain 5. Removing carbon traps from intake may have potential legal (emissions) and warranty issues Things to consider if you want a 2024... If you want it for the looks + performance and don't plan on modding and want a NEW car, well then the 2024 is for you. If you want to mod and tune, then you may want to get an older model.

[@Dynoids]

Look at thatttt a decent analysis on deciding between the s550 or s650. As for tuning 2020+ will have a long time for tuning. But then again, if you especially want to supercharge the car then theres no reason to even want a new mustang at all, even an s550 since many previous gens can all make insane supercharged power. If you want great out of the box N/A power then the 24 is great, and same goes for styling. If you like/want it then good.

[@kevinkevinson22]

Correct on all fronts

[@joespezowka]

Iv seen 24s run 12.3 at 116 and my bro 18 10r80 ran 11.9 at 119 so the gen 4 is slower out the box so this dyno makes zero sense

[@FanNews29]

⁠@@joespezowkaYou’re going off of one video that stang mode did a 2.0 60 foot. Calm down. That 60 foot should be around 1.6. He definitely wasn’t getting off of the line right as the video showed.

[@HSE2inc]

@@joespezowkano, the drag strip numbers make no sense. This is same day, same circumstances, same technique. No one cares about a time or trap that is recorded years ago. So much changes on the strip, conditions, temperatures that that particular comparison becomes what’s deemed uncontrolled.

[@shaneswayze6228]

Awesome video.

[@Oliver-ft2fq]

The mach 1 gen 3 coyote already made s650 power with GT350 intake manifold . The s650 just making more power due to the intake manifold .

[@Texas_Road_Warrior]

That s650 needs about 800-1000rpm more for the limiter it’s still pulling!

[@carguy7627]

That's an impressive jump in power for the stock engine. I wonder if that will mean that the Gen 4 will have less upside for aftermarket tuning once the Gen 4 tuning market matures or even more upside since the change in intake architecture. I'd hope more due to more air, but that's just a guess.

[@scottieray]

The Darkhorse is rated at 500hp and that is basically a factory tune over the standard '24 GT. Probably much more HP to be unlocked on the '24. Ford isn't going to put out a Darkhorse with a tune that would decrease reliability and played it safe. I'd bet aftermarket (even with ECU hurdles) is going to be 520-ish.

[@stevepick9527]

You’re not gonna be able to put an aftermarket tune into it. The ECU is locked, and even if tunes do come out, it will completely void your warranty as they will know if you’ve unlocked it I know, it really sucks.

[@DWH300]

​@@stevepick9527Have you ever read or reviewed a new vehicle Warranty. If you've purchased a new vehicle. Did you read the owners manual or speak with the dealerships service center. If you tune a new vehicle outside of the manufacturers parameters or replace your ECU with a tuned version. Your warranty is voided no matter the brand. Dodge, Chevy, Ford and BMW or who ever manufactured the vehicle. I read a recent article where a person purchased a new Dodge Demon challenger. He tuned the car with less than 100 miles causing the engine to fail. Dodge refused to replace the engine under warranty costing the owner in the neighborhood of $50,000. I purchased my new car because it had a Hemi, plus the features I wanted and a factory warranty which has been used a couple times saving me thousands of dollars due to a computer failure and electrical issues. Now that my warranty has expired. I've had my car tuned with other performance bolt on parts added. The S650 will be tunable within it's first year. I believe Ford will have factory authorized performance centers authorized to tune and add a super charger while keeping the factory warranty. If you can't wait. Purchase an overpriced pre-owned S550 Mustang GT.

[@DWH300]

Whipple will be offering a supercharger for the Gen 4 Coyote

[@WilliamStewart1]

​@stevepick9527 Is Ford new to this now? This has been GM thing for 5-6 year now, they don't have any issues with it.

[@Pinzul91]

Great comparison video! thanks

[@AJUSA1]

Wicked awesome video. Subscribed

[@nickl8830]

Fantastic comparison

[@latemodelrestoration]

Thanks! -Landan

[@shortstackgarage2063]

Great video on comparing the two generations. It really gives you an idea on the difference on the 3rd and 4th Gen coyote.

[@DUNEATV]

Excellent video!

[@jtokidjb]

Great video

[@2strokeFORever]

The top end on that 2024 is crazy

[@ahtoomians]

i have a 2023 and thought the top end was crazy already.

[@QuinnLIFTS]

Not far off if it all from a 18-21 lol the 22 and 23 was neutered, and the dyno graphs really show it. This is the only "decently positive" vibes I've seen on an S550/S650 comparison video bcuz most only show us how little the Mustang has improved if at all. And so far the 18+ is already several tenths faster at the drag strip.

[@NAWF.MEMPHIS.KING.901]

​@@QuinnLIFTSyeah they should've done the pre gen 3's 18-21

[@lightningdad13]

awesome video.... did a great job

[@dondeezy]

Gen 3 boys will come around soon enough.. 😂

[@midnight347]

There's nothing special about this car dude wake up. I'm not s gen 3 owner or even an s550 or coyote owner I have an 07 gt500 buy this thing is locked up tight there won't be any tuning for it outside Ford approved garbage for a long time if not indefinitely. This car is gonna get the shit kicked out of it by an older properly tuned car. You go ahead and rep that "new" mustang lol

[@SensEnigma]

Yea on the drag strip cause the s650 makes barely any more power but weighs more. Can’t wait for you to weep when your 60k GT loses to a 19 GT for 35k

[@thundorkat]

We won’t at. Not with those Down syndrome taillights 😂. 383 on the Gen 3 is…new to me. I got 412

[@WardoUSA]

Great video. I wish 90% of other channels would take your approach with shorter videos.

[@patriotkieler9750]

Loved it

[@SHADOWBLACKs650]

Excellent, thank you for using the 93 gas What mode ? Drag ? Sport Plus? ... drag mode gives me three tenths quicker every time with the dragy,it revs to 7400,sport plus stops at 6600rpm, and I don't know why because when I switch to drag mode at 80 mph it does not downshift but I can hear a big difference in the motor... anyway good video.

[@latemodelrestoration]

We pull the jumper (dyno plug) on the driver side of the engine bay which prevents traction control from activating on the dyno since the rear wheels are turning and the front wheels are not. Unplugging this jumper also disables the drive modes. -Landan

[@SHADOWBLACKs650]

@@latemodelrestoration I did not know that thank you.

[@BadgerGT500]

Gotta take them to the track. What’s what matters

[@Subarashii-naniii]

First W for a gen 4 on dyno

[@cesarpalmos8235]

For anyone curious, one gallon of fuel is 7lbs.

[@Xoars]

6*

[@latemodelrestoration]

One gallon of gasoline weighs ~6.1lbs. -Landan

[@Zander13Productions]

The 2024s pull like crazy up top

[@latemodelrestoration]

Yeah they do! -Landan

[@AverageTrackRat]

Good stuff

[@latemodelrestoration]

Thanks! -Landan

[@christenn32]

I just can't get over the hate boner Mustang fans have on the gen 4. The engine is most certainly not a dud.

[@williadawilliams]

So Landon, back in 1999 I bought a 1999 convt. cobra new, which was the crown jewel at the time in Ford's corral. Well after a month of purchase, I heard that the cobra was putting out less horsepower than what Ford was taunting. Of course that didn't make me feel good about my purchase. Well, he took his new cobra to be dyno'ed, as all mustang owners do, prior to starting the modification process. However, it revealed the shortcomings in HP output so straight to the local Ford dealership with the results. Long story short, Ford found that the cylinder heads were not machined properly and the exhaust was inefficient. A recall of all1999 cobras was sent out. I took mine in and got it back. It seemed faster and stronger but I never had it dyno'ed to prove it. I did take it out, ran it up to 148 or before I got nervous, so that was good enough for me. My question is, could this be a similar thing with the 2024's? Because what I'm hearing from you experts is that without removing the carbon web inside the air tube, removing the cover from the airbox, it should be putting down better numbers closer to what Ford announced. Right now, my 2018 with just a cold air intake, no tune and a flow master catback is putting down 409 - 418. Your thoughts? Thank you for the PSA. :)

[@latemodelrestoration]

Thanks for the comment. We've actually dyno'd two '99 Cobras here on the channel. Both had the recall performed. I haven't messed with the carbon trap stuff yet. I've seen a few videos of cars picking up a little bit of power and torque. I can't speak on behalf of other dynos, but our car did 420.4 HP and 366.2 lb-ft of torque in 5th gear. If you consider the drivetrain loss with a 10R80 transmission, the car is right on the money. -Landan

[@williadawilliams]

Ok, and do you factor that drive train loss is 10% or 15% ? Everyone says something different. I wis that all of this could be standardized, same type of dyno, same correction factor. the only variable should be climate. Thank you for breaking things down for a layman. @@latemodelrestoration

[@latemodelrestoration]

@@williadawilliams I typically always consider a 15% drivetrain loss. For what it's worth, the SAE correction considers a standard 15% drivetrain loss in the calculation. This is the closest to a "standard" that you can get. Regardless, there are still variables. -Landan

[@williadawilliams]

Thank you Landan, I appreciate all of your information that you give. Unlike Some of these guys with these channels, their just jumping on the next hot topic. But for those of us who want to know if getting a new model or sticking with what we have is best, really helps to decide in making a good decision. The info that you and those like you give is practical not keeping up with the Joneses. @@latemodelrestoration

[@latemodelrestoration]

@@williadawilliams Thanks for the feedback! It's definitely nice to be on the forefront of relative content, but we do our best to think stuff through instead of just jumping out there and throwing together content. Not only is our time valuable, but so is the viewers. -Landan

[@hotshtsr20]

Curious how a 2018-2021 compares. You guys dyno'd that one at 415whp completely stock (X-pipe is worth 5whp) with the 10R80 and the PP1's 275s.

[@GODEYE270115]

The Gen 4 would probably dyno higher on that day too. It’s consistent on all videos, they make like 20ish whp more than the previous Gen

[@QuinnLIFTS]

​@@GODEYE270115but the neutered 22 and 23 cars are making a fair amount less on the dyno than 18, 19, 20 and even 21s.

[@GODEYE270115]

@@QuinnLIFTS 18-21 averaged like 400whp 10hp less from the 22 and up only translates like 5ish whp The Gen 4 still makes more

[@deanmelchior24]

50% reduction to rear tires? No, 10 is right about 8.5 at tire.@@GODEYE270115

[@ShizawnSanders]

​@@GODEYE270115i don't think anyone would argue that the gen 4 doesn't make more but the question is how much? Remove that carbon trap shit from the gen 4. No upgraded exhaust for the gen 4 and give it a E85 tune. Then test that vs a bone stock 18-20 with a E85 tune. Both tuned and perfected by same tuner. That's what I want to see anyway.

[@waynepile5084]

Excellent comparison! Also, thank you for getting to the point. From description to results, that was perfect! Thank you again.

[@akrs6398]

2024 sounds so much better and grownup. I can’t wait!

[@ClickbaitMotorsports]

The Gen 3 sounds more exotic.

[@GODEYE270115]

Gen 4 also has a more straightened curve at the top end Good healthy bump over the older Gen

[@markcampise5057]

Gen 3 low end is way higher though. That's where it's fun on the day to day driving.

[@2strokeFORever]

@@markcampise5057 idk. Wringing it out and pulling to rev limit is pretty fun too

[@mk5rob42]

Yet it's slower at the drag strip. Stangmode ran 12.3 @116 with his 2024 and his 2018 did 12.1 @119. That's disappointing! I was expecting at least 11.6-11.8 @ 120mph+

[@markcampise5057]

@2strokeFORever oh I definitely agree there too! Haha based on this though I feel pretty good pulling up next to a 24 with my 18 at a light. But mine will also pull to 7800 😉 on the 🌽

[@matt7sixty]

@@mk5rob42That test needs to be done same day stock for stock. My 2018 did 12.5 stock

[@jimmymccormick142]

Great video awesome car love the new mustang Ford powered forever baby keep on pulling the knot out of them boties and the horns off them mopars l love it

[@2004R1Guy]

These results are interesting, Stangmode's '24 went 12.30's @ 116 suggests the power should be about the same?

[@jeffkelly9197]

He doesn't have the performance pack. If he had the 355 gearing it would probably do 12.1ish. They are going to be identical to the last gen in times. They make more power, but it's offset by the little weight increase.

[@enflamedpapaya8592]

Waiting for all the people online who say their gen 3 made 430 whp bone stock

[@Xoars]

Mine made 402

[@thundorkat]

Mine made 412…. Nobody is saying their 460 crank hp car is making 430 to the wheels unless they’re children.

[@arnoldkeen6393]

Glad I stuck with my 2018 GT. Much closer to the S650 than the '22. But after an ESS super charger and other upgrades, I am REALLY happy. LOL.

[@KeairaKusanagi]

I'm really not seeing anything that would motivate me to give up my 2019 GT either.

[@ShizawnSanders]

​@@KeairaKusanagime either especially after seeing its 100lbs heavier with the 2024.

[@MrFirerod1]

@@KeairaKusanagi This just makes me want to get a PP2 now since they're near 40k and its not my DD.

[@alexisaguilera2705]

all you gotta do is take out the carbon filter from the '22 to get 18-21 numbers.

[@kanifkanif]

so the 2022 starts falling on its face after 5000rpm? what should be the shift point on it?

[@frozenstang3868]

Would be interesting to see some logs in Hptuners scanner software and see what trickery ford it doing with those 2 throttle bodies. I saw plenty of s550's over 400 on the dyno when they came out. That 22 is making gen 2 power .

[@saidtheblueknight]

remember this is in 5th gear, not a 1:1 ratio like 7th gear where most other cars are dynoed. So they will run a bit low in 5th vs 7th plus the whole carbon trap thing which kills 10hp right off the bat.

[@midnight347]

​@@saidtheblueknightdude earlier 10r80 cars were throwing down 415+ all day long. This 22 is low. The manuals dynoed like 430

[@matt7sixty]

@@midnight347​​⁠It’s obvious you wanted the Gen 3 to win or dyno the same since you’re here advocating for it but this test is apples to apples same day same dyno same dyno and same wheels. 487bhp vs 450bhp The 18-21’s had 10 more bhp. My 2018 put down 390 stock on a dyno jet SAE smoothing 5 corrected (not really even relevant to this test) . Gen 4’s are up on power even with the much more strict emissions now. 420whp corrected through the 10r80 in 5th gear is impressive.

[@mr_nobody867fifetreeOniner]

​@matt7sixty midnight has been advocating for the S550 in the comments on multiple KZbin channels. It appears that he really doesn't like the S650. My last proformance car was a 08 Evo X. I can't wait to have a high revving V8.

[@matt7sixty]

@@mr_nobody867fifetreeOniner Hopefully nobody takes them to him to build then I suppose and same thing with Lund racing if they don’t like it I wouldn’t take mine to them if that’s the case

[@stevenmitchell-vr3ot]

Can’t lie buddy I got a half chub

[@tjones2991]

Not a true test. Ford added the extra throttle body to try and minimize HP loss with the carbon trap. We know on a gen 3 the carbon trap can be removed. Shouldve dynoed without the carbon trap on the gen 3.

[@latemodelrestoration]

Thanks for the comment. We plan on doing another video addressing the carbon trap stuff. Trust us, we want to keep nerding out about this stuff. -Landan

[@ra3ta]

One would think a simple roll race would answer the question. But what do I know...

[@bigkarl24]

I thought the gen 3 dyno around 415/425 for a auto. Now every time I see back to back dyno for a 3rd gen vs a 4th gen coyote. The 3rd gone magically dynos less than it ever did

[@latemodelrestoration]

They do when you pull them in 7th gear (which is 1:1) using the entire RPM range. -Landan

[@erichaley6776]

Do both of them with the manual transmission next time please 😊

[@728GT]

No

[@mcp08gt]

Manual or nothing.

[@davothegreat9990]

​@@mcp08gtmt82 is garbage!!

[@mackassef473]

Yeah they totally just got two other mustangs on hand to do the dyno YOU want.

[@petrolhead8851]

@@728GTwhy not? I bet you can’t bang gears worth shit

[@winsome879]

I have a low 6 second 60 to 130 ten speed 5.0 Mustang and the top end is insane. Now we have a dual throttle body on the upgraded gen 4 Coyote which the top end is going to be even crazier!

[@midnight347]

That dual intake crap don't do shit its an emissions thing lol.

[@matthewdiaz6478]

So basically 10 to 15k more for a panoramic infotainment system, facelift, and 10 to 20 hp. Cool.

[@matt7sixty]

The weight is about the same or very close it seems since the 24 has big brembo brakes

[@ShizawnSanders]

You did hear him say subtract 50-75lbs for the 2022 right because of the system? The 2024 is like 100lbs heavier option for option over the gen 3 cars.

[@matt7sixty]

@@ShizawnSanders Did you notice this Gen 4 has brembos all around? The Gen 3 did not. Good 10-20lbs a corner for the brembos over the non

[@henrytyson3219]

I'll take either complete stock motor and transmission a put Them in my 1981 foxbody mustang coupe and see what it does under the same conditions with an 8.8 posi rear end

[@Coyote9smilespergallon]

Should’ve at least used a cold air intake or non restricted air filter housing being the Gen4 has dual CAi

[@latemodelrestoration]

Thanks for the comment. We plan on making some more videos showing the results without the carbon filters. -Landan

[@BlueOvalTavern]

I swear I think these 2024's are so gorgeous

[@ponygt6629]

The biggest issue of S550/650 Mustangs is WEIGHT, I mean these cars must be in 3600s, 200 Lbs is BIG in NA DOhC world

[@traxiii]

Like to see a Bullitt or Mach1 and a Dark Horse

[@latemodelrestoration]

We've dyno'd a 2019 Bullitt. Link below. -Landan kzbin.info/www/bejne/rn_VeHRmprGLqLc

[@kahless0173]

was thinking that looks a hell of a lot like little river, thenit was little river. are there no strips up near waco??? itd be weird. all this damn land in texas and weve gotta drive 50 miles out in the country to a drag strip.

[@latemodelrestoration]

Yep, that was Little River! Distance wise, that's the closet track to us from Waco. -Landan

[@carguy...]

So my 22 Mach 1 is about the same has a 24 mustang.

[@utahcountypicazospage5412]

Please tell us why mafs and map is being used map would of been cool but both ?

[@latemodelrestoration]

That would be a question for a Ford engineer. My methodology is probably only an assumption. -Landan

[@Inzersa]

How is active exhaust adding horsepower with a valve when a non active exhaust has no type of valve that can restrict it?

[@latemodelrestoration]

There could be an internal difference with the mufflers. I'm not sure. This info is what Ford has on their website. -Landan

[@tylerolson5860]

for the love of god thank you for NOT using 87 octane like the other companies dishonest clown comparison.

[@DavyDave1313]

The 19 didn’t get hit with that power drop. So would that mean on the dyno it’s like what 15-20hp more

[@latemodelrestoration]

We dyno'd the 2022 Mustang GT in this video again and removed the carbon trap to see what the difference was. It picked up a little bit of horsepower and torque which answers your question. kzbin.info/www/bejne/o5LElmuul8l9sMU

[@commycomentor9695]

Hott damn y’all!!! 40 ponies

[@joshuabennett8110]

So if Gen 2 is rated @ 435hp , then that means about 370ish rear wheel horsepower?

[@dylanmiller8661]

Yeah around there. Just had my 15 Auto on a Mustang dyno. It made 385whp. On a Dynojet like this one it would have been in the 425 range. Ford performance tune, K&N drop in filter, h pipe, gt500 mufflers.

[@francorepici3586]

I am not impressed. The base HP on my 2018 was 220HP and 200TQ. 40Hp less then the advertised net HP. The 2024 mustang is 486 net advertised and bases out at 420HP same as my 2018. Could someone explain to me where is the 26hp improvement from my 2018 mustang to the 2024?

[@watzonda2b]

Power to weight still favor the '12-'13 BOSS 302 cars..........they RULE! S197 that is!

[@petrolhead8851]

Those s197’s are still very good looking and strong running cars! People underestimate them a lot, but I’ve seen fbo e85 tune s197’s beat hellcats and even some e85 tuned 10r80’s

[@carlife_710]

I’ll keep my 10r80

[@midnight347]

​@carlife_710 of course you will. You're a fan of boring autos that suck to drive. Some of us like "driving" our cars. Like really driving it and being one with the machine. A feeling no auto can come close to giving you and if you can row gears you can still be petty fast. There's always someone faster. The engagement you get from a stick car is unmatched.

[@mooosestang]

So the 2024 is anywhere from 50-75lbs heavier?

[@latemodelrestoration]

Give or take, yes. It also depends trim level and equipment group. -Landan

[@ShizawnSanders]

I know I'm being that guy but I wonder what the difference is without the upgraded exhaust for the 2024 and if it was a 2018-2020 car to compare.

[@theg-man6003]

The difference between them would be much less. The gen 3 has more torque than a gen 4 guess the dual throttle body sacrifices some torque I’m not sure. But anyways if you want a true stock for stock there might be a 5-10 rwhp from the 2024 at best and that’s past 5k “where it starts to talk” but the 2024s are slightly heavier too. The 22 had a sub and the 24 didn’t. The 22 should have been more heavier with that but it was still 7 pounds lighter than the 24 so yeah. The differences are tiny on paper. Only way to test their night is on the track.

[@ShizawnSanders]

@@theg-man6003 yeah if those 24 cars don't trap 120+ in crisp fall air it will definitely be a disappointment. Realistically gen 3 cars have trapped 120mph bone stock so they should literally trap 122.

[@SquadMane]

S197 all day

[@JAY-D33]

Can you imagine how much a corsa intake would cost for this mustang

[@latemodelrestoration]

It's going to come down to the car making efficient power with just a tune. That is, of course, if they'll ever figure out how to tune the 2024 Mustangs. Let's just pretend that an aftermarket cold air intake is double the price of what we're used to. Knowing that, the power gains will probably be negligible and the dollar per horsepower won't make sense to a lot of folks. Granted, this is just my opinion. -Landan

[@Soma-7662]

final drive ratio the same?!?!

[@latemodelrestoration]

Yes. -Landan

[@sandmangti7040]

Why do they not try and reduce weight in the Mustang. Use more high strength steel.

[@jaythewrapper239]

So my cars 3.15 gears but tuned so do I still dyno in 5th?

[@latemodelrestoration]

Yes, it would still need to be pulled in 5th gear to see the entire rpm range. -Landan

[@ondsaus]

What Hp did the 24 make at 6900 rpm

[@latemodelrestoration]

~410 HP. -Landan

[@PUNISHER-jz8ly]

Air intake on the 2022 was over 100 degrees, doesn't that pull timing? Air temp was upper 80's, why was intake temp103?

[@ShizawnSanders]

Yes. That's where it starts to pull timing from what I remember.

[@ShizawnSanders]

Well, my IAT's even while on the highway with good air movement are 10* hotter then ambient. They are sitting still so that's a win if its only a 20* difference. I think the point is both cars were supposed to have the exact same IAT's.

[@latemodelrestoration]

The 2024 had the same IATs. You couldn't see it because of the "hood ajar" warning. Even with the fan blowing, it's still moving warm air. -Landan

[@tjones2991]

Should've did a 2018-2021

[@ShizawnSanders]

I agree and not test a 2024 with the upgraded exhaust

[@tjones2991]

@@ShizawnSanders 100% agree but they need to make the 2024 mustang look good to keep selling parts

[@latemodelrestoration]

The 2022 is the most recent gen 3 Coyote and this is the car that was available to us at the time of the video. We plan on addressing the carbon trap stuff in another video. We're also trying to track down an 18-21 car with a 10R80 and 3.15 gears. Trust us, we like the data. -Landan

[@Clean93GT]

Take the CFT out the 24.. I wanna see something real quick.. 👀

[@latemodelrestoration]

It's on the list. -Landan

[@oHypBasto]

Using the best 4th gen with active against the worst gen 3? Makes no sense

[@midnight347]

It does if you want the new mustang to have better numbers lol.

[@stevensink5544]

It makes perfect sense! It’s comparing the outgoing model with the new emissions regulations as it sits to the new model with current emissions regulations as it sits! Perfect comparison!

[@ShizawnSanders]

​@@stevensink5544so all new models get the upgraded exhaust?

[@KeithSchwerin]

​@@ShizawnSandersit's 6hp, that's barely enough to change 1whp. I have the feeling they only had to list the difference because of SAE regulations. I wouldn't be amazed if the 18-23 also have a very tiny bump from AE also.

[@ShizawnSanders]

@@KeithSchwerin only 1RWHP huh? Nice backtracking. Point is if we want a true apples to apples comparison a exhaust that gives extra power isn't it. No ones gonna argue that the gen 4 doesn't make more than gen 3 but some of us would like to know exactly how much it actually is. People want to know if the extra $20k over a gen 3 is worth it. I don't think it is but I'm not everyone.

[@landinrautenkranz6499]

Now all those guys complaining claiming that their Gen 3 made the same power stock as a Gen 4 can shut up😂 literally not true

[@midnight347]

Earlier 18-20 gen 3 are pretty close actually and they can actually be modified. Good luck with your stock overpriced gt lol

[@landinrautenkranz6499]

@@midnight347 overpriced? How? Price for me is the same as a 2022 GT I saw the other day for sale. And no, GEN 3 comparison on dyno shows a 30-40 hp difference. Which is completely normal for the past 15 years of new mustang hp increases

[@erniemckinnon8991]

I have a 2012 Boss 302 that is quicker than both of these...stock for stock...so 10-12 years didn't really make any difference on the drag strip.

[@kameronlittlejohn4238]

I understand their using a 22 so the hp is lowered but a 18-21 mt82 makes 410-415, that’s less than 10hp away from the gen4. Not worth it to buy a s650 in my opinion.

[@mattjones1378]

Also, 2019s base and base pp1 can be had for like $35k back in the day and if you add a lund tune to it, it still cost much less and faster than a s650 gt and dark horse

[@midnight347]

​@mattjones1378 but it's not the "all new mustang" lol. It's by far a better car for the money in my eyes but people love clout in this me too age of social media.

[@matt7sixty]

The 10 speed dynos less like 20hp less than the manuals. My 2018 10 speed did 390 stock, My buddies stock 2018 manual did 410 same dyno day event.

[@shannonpatrick77]

@@mattjones1378 I paid 41 for my 24 GT it is the base model but has active exhaust

[@alexvaldez7317]

💪🏻

[@GreyGhost_804]

remove the carbon filter and with 70 less pounds I’ll take the s550. Throw in a tune and walk the s650 all while saving $7k

[@matthewgray259]

Faxx

[@Subarashii-naniii]

Bro you’re just broke

[@kevinmckinley7378]

@@Subarashii-naniiior he may just be telling the truth 🤷

[@ClickbaitMotorsports]

Exactly. Now watch the comments from the Ford employees. 😂

[@GreyGhost_804]

@@Subarashii-naniii I have a 23’ GT in my garage 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@maureencora1]

I Like the Gen' 3, 2018 - 2023 Headlights, More But I Like Gen' 4 2024 Taillights, Go Figure?

[@latemodelrestoration]

I know what you mean! -Landan

[@maureencora1]

@@latemodelrestoration Touche' (smile)

[@skipbrainless7527]

Damn when and if those ecus get unlocked on the gen 4 they are going to be some bad NAs in the car scene

[@alexisaguilera2705]

should've taken out the carbon filter on the '22 its been proven to gain back the hp loss from 18-21. Takes like 5 minutes.

[@latemodelrestoration]

You could say the same thing about the 2024 in regards to the carbon filters. We plan on revisiting the carbon filters on both cars. Thanks! -Landan

[@alexisaguilera2705]

Middletown motorsports already did that on their youtube channel, removing the carbon traps on the 24s did absolutely nothing. The 22s were proven time and time again to get that power back on a dyno👍@@latemodelrestoration

[@728GT]

Oh no the trolls wont like this

[@ILJCT]

Why didn’t they both hit 7.3rpm

[@smurfeco2.358]

Because running it at 1:1 7th gear hits the limter before so 5th is the closest they can get

[@latemodelrestoration]

Take another look at the graphs. Both cars were pulled to 7500 rpm. They make peak power at different points. The 2024 made peak power at 7300 rpm and the 2022 made peak power and 6900 rpm. -Landan

[@Roflcakes88]

Lower RPM slopes are very interesting between the two. Gen 3 is making almost 300hp/tq at 2500rpm whereas the Gen 4 is making a paltry 150hp/tq

[@bdez1259]

Look again man, gen4 is making a touch more below 5000rpm, otherwise nearly identical.

[@rmartin5285]

Wish I could get my head around the iPad style dash………..it’s just not Mustang. To each their own.

[@shrek9772]

The gen one makes 420hp these numbers are weird

[@latemodelrestoration]

The number's aren't weird at all. A chassis dyno records rear wheel horsepower and torque results. Any engine's advertised horsepower and torque by a vehicle manufacturer is rated at the flywheel. When the mechanical energy that the engine produces is used by the driveline components, you see a lower number than what the flywheel rating is. This is referred to as "drivetrain loss". -Landan

[@stevencoyote746]

E85 tune remove the carbon trap on a gen3 more power done deal ...The big question is what will happen to the ECU if you remove the (twice-baked potato) carbon filters from the gen4 ...possibly shut down possibly not ONLY FORD KNOWS ..

[@latemodelrestoration]

We plan on addressing the carbon trap stuff in another video. -Landan